Comments about ‘Hatch, Herbert dislike cap-and-trade measure’

SHould be called cap and Tax, not Cap and Trade. Trade inplies that no money changes hands. Nothing could be further from the truth. Under the Democrats cap and tax bill, the government could force "polluting" industries (just about eveyrone) to buy "credits" on the Chicago board of trade to offset their pollution. Obama openly talked about this new government revenue (a tax on all of us) to be used for income redistribution and socialized medicine. It will destroy our economy, as if the $9 trillion in national debt wasn't sufficient to do that already!

Political correctness has Al Gore and the Left repeating in an echo chamber about global warming is going to kill us all... as the way to justify emergency cap and trade bill. It's a joke and a farce. Many reputable scientists dispute global warming and its impacts. Its an artificial "crisis" cooked up to justify massive government takeover and intervention.

Just listen to the White House Green Jobs Czar Van Jones, and his quotes about wanting to use the green movement as a revolution to take down capitalism. This guy and people like him, are enemies in our midst and we need to fight to keep them from taking away our freedoms through environmental regulations. Do everything to can do to fight this evil.

Please change that to "Yes WEA-KEN America, because that is all that is happening with the bludgeoning of core and practical business principals that we're fundamental in making this the LAND of the FREE (well, less and less, but somewhat, okay not much, but let's dream).

Doesn't Al Gore have a company that is "selling" credits ahead of this bill? Nothing like have political favors to fill your pockets when you master mind the frenzy.

Although this bill seems biased and anti american to business, wouldn't it better serve the environment if the law addressed foreign imports and countries that refuse to be responsible? In america our factories, what's left of them, have invested billions on air quality. Even in the products we produce are better and more reliable than ever before. To punish american business and let the rest of the foreign countries continue their pollution doesn't make sense and damages american business ability to compete with trashy imports.

Regardless of energy and business and consumer greed there will never be an end to pollution or air quality. We would have to shutdown americas electrical supply and production, take all vehicles off the road, and shutdown all business to restore the natural balance of the world. You can't have it both ways, something will have to be sacrificed, and the american people aren't willing to sacrifice everything to do it.

This bill would further our demise as a self sufficient nation becoming totally dependent on foreign imports. The under 40 age of america don't know the difference of then and now, and now is much improved.

I say, let's keep the status quo. I like the fact that we get our oil from the Mideast as it allows us to send our military abroad to protect their oil and oil profits! I love the fact that we're getting our coal out of the ground, burning it to light up my house, and spewing mercury into the air so that I can't take my kids fishing anymore because the fish has too much mercury in it. I like the fact that the $700 billion we spend on foreign oil goes to nations that hate us so that we have to finance both sides on the war on terror! Yes, I love the fact that natural gas extraction in Utah has ripped up the land and threatened underground water supplies.

I say, keep the status quo! All the world is fine. Who wants to transition to "clean" technology when the cancer cause by fossil fuel pollution boosts our healthcare industry! Wind turbines -- too ugly for me to look at, so keep the strip mining of coal and oil wells on the horizon instead! Dirty profits for all, I say! It's the American way!!!

Hatch and Herbert lined up a good list of scare-mongers to tell us what is wrong with the bill. Not that one of them took into account that if we don't act, climate change will cause us to not have enough water to use on our farms, and the air pollution will cause numerous deaths - what about the costs from that?

So, Senator, please give us an alternative method to slow our carbon emissions. We know we need to, and the efficiencies will save us all money. But if Cap and Trade isn't the answer, please let us know how you plan to make it happen.

So, guys, come up with a better solution and get it through Congress. The need to address global climate change is there. I'll concede cap and trade is inadequate and has problems, but let's do something.

How about nuclear power? We have plenty of uranium, and new reactor designs are far more efficient and safer than the old Three Mile Island types.

Of course, you greenies will shoot that down in a heartbeat because it doesn't satisfy your secret goal of PUNISHING people. The real reason you evironmentalists love "efficiency" is that you can use it as a tool to control other people's behavior.

A reliable, renewable source of cheap, carbon-free electricity is your worst nightmare because it would allow the average person to have as many appliances and computers and big-screen TVs as he or she wanted, a situation which is completely unacceptable to the neo-Puritans of the modern Environmentalist movement.

Our past abuse of Mother Gaia demands that we all suffer and sacrifice in order to pay for the sins of our capitalist, industrialized society. Any source of energy which allows us to live comfortably will not suffice.

Unfortunately, this news article while perhaps reporting accurately the energy producers perspective, failed to balance its news reporting with those in the substantial scientific community that predict dire economic, employment, health, and natural disaster scenarios if we don't impose limits on perhaps deadly pollutants. Instead of looking at short-term profit, and how long China, Mexico, and India have labored under much poorer working conditions for the individual laborer, then justice and fairness considerations might be brought up. Our society is so focused on protecting our own little wealth and security needs that we sacrifice the entire rest of the planet to meet our own needs, usually those who have gained the most and have the most to lose.

Tab L. Uno nailed it. Nothing in this article notes the many people there yesterday who tried to question the numerous accusations being made this highly orchestrated and biased panel. Like the woman who calmly asked that costs of doing nothing to be considered. The costs to our health and planet, etc. Just as in the many townhall meetings on healthcare and climate around the country, she was booed and shouted down.

Or the many planted questions from the audience. This was astroturf at its worst. Civil dialogue, integrity? There's no room for it anymore.

Some of you obviously hate America, and think it's more important that we "share the wealth" with other nations, etc. I'm hard working taxpayer, and while it may be noble to want to help other people, we have to take care of our own resources, standards of living, in order to help others. So all of you do-gooders, move abroad and put your money where your mouth is. Leave the rest of us alone and don't force us to live out your liberal utopian ideal.

I've seen the report posted on Sen. Hatch's web site, and I didn't find anything in it analyzing the loss of agricultural jobs and revenues that would result from an increase in temperature. A major point of the cap-and-trade measure is to head off these impacts. Utah's farming and ranching operations could be hard hit by global warming. Some are marginal right now; imagine the climate a few degrees warmer with less precipitation. This should not have been ignored.

I can't believe what I'm hearing. WE really do live in an age where we all think we are God. WE can fix the climate by taxing our citizens. Really?

This bill is a hoax. Utter rubbish. Sure the climate is changing. It always has and it always will. To think that we have done something that is causing the change, or to think we can do something to stop it, is giving ourselves too much credit. I say pull out your shades and enjoy the warmth while it lasts. in another couple years it's going to be much cooler, and then we'll be wanting to burn tires in the Antarctica again.

Tab L Uno, you lost me whe you were talking about China and India. Are you saying it's OK for them to continue polluting because their people have labored under more severe conditions?

Wouldn't it make more sense to encourage manufacturing in our factories where we would employ our own people? Especially since our factories already have much stricter pollution controls than do theose in China, India, or Mexico? If we're truly interested in saving the environment, pushing manufacturing to developing by means of well-intended but short-sighted legislation is the wrong way to go about it.

Cap and trade is bad for the environment and the economy.

For example - say the production of 1000 widgets in a US plant creates 4 units of CO2. The production of the same 1000 widgets in China creates 27 units of CO2. Cap and trade says 4 untis is too many, and the manufacturer moves production to China. So now we have our 1000 widgets, but we also have 23 EXTRA units of CO2. How does that help the global environment?

I realize I'm not God, but I think back about my knowledge of computers and that I know just enough to actually seriously damage my computer up badly. Perhaps humans have knowledge but only enough so far to really badly damage up our environment (having reaped the material rewards that we've acquired so far but at a hidden cost) so that perhaps it's time that we begin to consider what we have with a limited minds done to our planet and begin to reverse some of our mistakes.

Sen. Hatch has it right. additionally, we need to realize that all the agencies and regulaters that need to be hired is adding to the bulging Federal employment roles. Sonn , so many people will be working tfor the government, it will be impossible to have a free enterprise system. Capitalisim will be killed by the self interest of those keeping their jobs. We are slidding faster and faster into Socialism

Don't do it! The remaining spend supporters need to wake up and realize that we can't afford Obama's "Change" that has already cost us and will continue cost in the future. Put a stop to it now.

Cap and trade is the MOST REGRESSIVE policy ever invented,

it PUNISHES the poor and middle class by raisng their cost living,

hurting the people who can LEAST afford it.


and it is a BRAINLESS assault on business and industry,

in the middle of a recession!