It is easy to pass judgment from the sidelines. At the end of the game
advisaries often show respect for their opponent's efforts. Our America has many
factions, like most I want my faction to win. If mine always wins then others
always lose. Compromise has been part of the game since 1776 any history buff
will inform you of the many compromises have made up the America we have today.
As I grow closer to a fixed income, budget deficits (inflation)scares me and I
have become less tolerant of congressional spending. Yet in my youth spending
that improved my income or led to a more vibrant economy was cheered. Senators Hatch and Kennedy found common ground so that niether faction lost
all the time and neither won all the time. History will look fondly of them as
they do of another Senator who was favored to be a President but never made the
cut. Senator Clay's mark on our country is deep and he is considered a great
statesman. Kennedy and Hatch fall into this catagory.
Ted Kennedy was able to neutralize Hatch. Hatch never has had the commitment to
trim the Federal government back to its Constitutional limits. He has not tried
to eliminate any government bureau. He has not eliminated any class of tax. He
has not had the gumption to tell his liberal friends that their quest for
bigger, more powerful government was wrong. He has abandoned the idea that
government is the problem for any and all government solutions. He is willing
to compromise with enslaving us. There is no middle ground between those who
want to tell us what to do from cradle to grave, to steal our earnings thru
taxes, in short, to make slaves of us. How much freedom do they want? The
question is how far has Hatch let his team be pushed toward the other team's
goal? How do you compromise with the one who wants to put just a few drops of
poison in the koolaid? And so as he made friends with Kennedy, and abandoned the
Constitution we have steadily become less free. Throw Hatch out.
I love this article about Kennedy and Hatch. I think it shows great humanity
when two different sides find a way to move to the middle and form a
relationship that is productive and lasts. I was also at Faneuil Hall when
Kennedy and Hatch both spoke to those 200 missionaries. It was my first day
there and I still feel honored to be a part of that historic experience.l
First of all, kudos to you for having the guts to not hide behind fake screen
names... I admire that. But you should also work on consistency. You once
wrote that you were not in a position to judge, that there was a greater power
who had that job. And yet, you have no problems calling people RINOs and
Socialist, like you have been made keeper of the definition of what it means to
be a Republican. You can ask for you money back all you like. If you have it
all figured out, you can even run yourself. You can decide not to vote for
someone. But running around calling those who don't see the world exactly like
you names - and that you are the keeper of FACTS... well, I am not sure your
quit as converted as you say you are. Not sure where Christ or anyone else
taught to disrespect your brother like that. I missed that day in church I
Gosh, Bill, I thought the most socialist Senator in Congress was by definition
whoever was the Democratic nominee for president. Anyway, that's what my RINO
friends all say.
The reason they got along so well is because Hatch is a RINO. He proved it when
he ran in the primaries & stated he would not use abortion as a litmus test for
a Supreme Court Judge. That is when I wrote to him & asked for our $72.00 back
that we sent to help him before he made his RINO speech. We never did get the $$
returned. Thank you for letting me state some FACTS & my reasons for not backing
Hatch. He was too close to the most socialist Senator in congress.
I would only favor term limits if we could also limit the amount of time civil
servants can work in the government. If you limit congressmen to serve 12 years
then the power in the federal government would shift even further to the
executive branch lifetime bureaucrats. Congressional term limits would make the
IRS, SSA, DOE, HUD, VA the real power in the country and they are not answerable
to the voters. Guys like Hatch, that are willing to forgoe making big bucks in
the private sector, can match institutional memory and tactics with the 35 year
bureaucrats. The Leviathan that Thomas Hobbes talked about would become even
more of a reality than it is today. Be careful what you wish for. I suppose
most of the screamers on these blogs don't even know who Thomas Hobbes is or
what the leviathan is and yet with a pocklet copy of the Constitution they
consider themselves experts. It would be like going to a janitor for brain
surgery. Let somebody who knows something about it make the policy - go back to
watching American Idol and your fantasy football office pool.
Whether labelled Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative, Right or Left all
that matters is results.Do we take love our neighbor by taking
action like the parable in the good samaritan. Great example of someone who
took action to help the less fortunate that produced good results.Dont be like those in the parable of the good samaritan who just pass the
healthcare issue by on the other side.That is the focus our senators
need. That is what the healthcare issue is all about.Our Senators need to learn how to care for the Americans Health by taking
action together and put aside political differences.
I am always suprised at the vitriol heaped on Senator Hatch by Utan's. He has
done an enormous service to the state over the years by being steadfast in his
principals but willing to compromise when necessary to promote the common
welfare. Some extreme right nut-jobs bash Hatch inspite of what he has done for
the state because he doesn't toe an extreme, puritanical line. Remember, Jesus
was bashed by the "right-wing" pharisees who thought he was corrupting the
othodox culture. In the end, guess who will win?
Before anyone else comments here, just take a moment and think about how you
would be feeling is you lost one of your best friends, no matter what that
person's character was. I'm pretty much anti Teddy and not so in love Orin, but
think beyond the headlines for a moment.
My mother loved the Kennedy Klan, she would take my picture out of a frame and
put in Jack's, or Bobby's or Teddy's picture. She was a poor judge of
character. I never had any use for the liberalism they espoused and I think
America is a better place without them or their brand of politics. I did like
one Kennedy and that was the sister that founded the Special Olympics. She did
a great thing that gave hope to many wonderful special people and it is too bad
her brothers were such decadent souls.
I find it interesting that Hatch helped Kennedy with legislation but I didn't
see anything in the article about Kennedy helping Hatch. Hatch is one of those
befuddled Republicans like Spector was.
Hatch is an Odd Duck, The start with he is not interested in people.He
feathers his own nest.33 years and done nothing for the people like
If "committment to principle" was the only value to be respected, we would have
to include Hitler, Osama bin Ladin and other despots because they also were
"committed to principle". It's "committment to CORRECT principles" that makes
one worthy of adoration. I've never understood why "comittment" and
"passion" are in and of themselves admirable, when they often are attached to
people who have done bad, immoral things.Kennedy may have been
charming and big-hearted, but he largely was a personal failure.Mary
Jo Kopechne, tax evasion, infidelities, cheating in college, dealing with
questionable people...he just gave me the creeps. May he rest in peace.
I admire Sen. Kennedy's ability to work with the other side and be friendly even
when he disagreed vehemently with them on the Senate floor. This is sorely
lacking in Congress today. Democrats in the House and Senate are not willing to
work with Republicans at all and treat them with disdain. When Republicans had
the majority they were much more respectful of the Democrats, which sometimes
frustrated me, but it showed more consideration for the nation and less of the
arrogance we're seeing from Democrats today.
Two of the most important bills that Kennedy and Hatch colaborated on were not
mentioned. They were the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and the Religious
Land Use and Instituttionalized Persons act. There laws to some extend undid
the great destruction of Americans rights perpetrated by the majority opinion of
Antonin Scalia in the case of Employment Division v. Smith. I guess
that makes Hatch a liberal. He has the audacity to think Jews should be able to
turn a former convent they purchased into a synagogue and the gripes of the
neighbors that they "do not want to live next to a synagogue" should not be able
to stop its construction and use. For those who might not get it, I am
trying to say that the actions of Hatch and Kennedy in this instance and their
results are good. Of course, Marci Hamilton thinks that allowing this synagogue
to take over the former sight of a convent is allowing a religious organization
to "do harm" to others under the guise of religious freedom, but she also has
many other odd ideas, look her up to learn more.
They are a couple of"Grandstanders" , and could give a rats about anything other
than their appearence that they are wonderful. They should have been gone
We lost a a great lider who really care about people. I am sad to lose this kind
of lidership in America.
Those who suggest that individual states impose term limits on their Senators
and Representatives obviously do not understand the importance of seniority in
both houses. Unless terms limits are imposed by the federal government, an
individual state would commit political suicide to do so on its own.
To BobP: Thank you for your comments.I feel that if a conservative
and a liberal can reach common consent then so can the rest of us. To say that
isn't possible in today's policitical climate would be disparaging to the two
senators.I don't feel we need term limits on Senators. We already
have it. That is the voters. However, if voters continue to put them in then
it is our fault not those who are running for office. Term limits were imposed
on the president because of FDR and fear of dictatorship that many felt was
happening during his tenure. We all need to understand that what happens in
Washington is our fault. We blamd congress for this and for that but in the end
it is our fault. If we want honest change we would vote all incumbents out of
office. Wow, what a concept. Then it wouldn't matter which party rules, they
would then start listening again to the people.
There is no "odd couple" here...Hatch and Teddy were two peas in a pod, just
look at Uncle Orrin's voting record over the years.
looks like you're the only hate dork out there. Typical liberal. My opinion of Hatch has no bearing on the article, as I am not connected with
Utah anymore, and don't claim repub or dem ties. As for this relationship, I
can't recall a single conservative bill that Kennedy compromised with Hatch,
several where the opposite was done. Compromise is a democrat way of saying, "I
don't care what you want!" and a republican way of saying, "I can cross the
aisle to get things done."
Hatch will still be in the Senate when the Savior returns.I am about
as right wing and conservative as it is possible to be withou becoming the cruel
parody I have seen on these forums.Kennedy made more mistakes than
most, he was way too far left for my taste, but he oevercame some of his worst
faults and he allowed a friend named Hatch to help with some of them.To the cheap shot artists out there, I would like to say; "Let he who is
without sin cast the first stone." I would then hope that the went and sinned
I agree with those who feel and think that Hatch chummed with liberals too long
and too much. Please put a limitation on his term! I feel betrayed by him. I
have several friends and many family members who also feel they have been
abandoned by our US Senators in Washington.
I remember well Hatch's mantra against then Senator Frank Moss. "18 years is way
too long for any publicc servant," he said. It worked for him enough to get
elected to his "eternal" seat on the senate. Hatch is more liberal now than Moss
was then, and he has long forgotten his promise not to repeat Moss' tenure.Say what you want about Hatch, but he is not the "lion of the senate" he once
was thought to be. You'd think he had died and we were listening to his eulogy
the way people fawn over him and laud his attributes.
I couldn't agree more.I have always liked Sen. Hatch.I thought that Kennedy was
probably a decent fellow in spite of his politics.But, Sen Hatch compromises too
much.He has been there too long. So have most of the rest.
Sen. Hatch & Sen. Kennedy may have worked with each other, that's great, but
both of them & many others have been on the government 'Dole' way too long. This
is not what our founding fathers had in mind, they wanted the common man to
govern & pass laws that they would also live under.For example,
health care, do you think that any of these government 'employees' will drop
theirs for for the new health care plan? ... Not Even!Sen. Hatch &
Sen. Bennett need to go & in Sen. Hatchs own words, "that many Senators,
including Moss, had lost touch with their constituents." ... Ouch, who has lost
I'm glad they got along so well and even thoughj I don't agree with all their
politics, we do need to be respectful as they lay this man to rest.
Enjoyed the article.
needed Kennedy. Kennedy did not need Hatch. Get that concept straight.
Have never particulary cared for Sen. Hatch, but after reading this and seeing
how much can be accomplished when we put our differences aside, I must say he
has gained stature in my eyes. I just wish that we could all be as magnanimous.
The vile and ugly things I have read in DN comment boards since Sen. Kennedy's
death are disgusting to anyone with an ounce of decency. Thank you Sen. Hatch
for letting me see that not all Mormons are so mean spirited.
I think there are lessons to be learned here for all of us.....including certain
talk show host who cry and call people racist on tv
Hatch is a star struck opportunist. He was enamored with Kennedy and Victoria
Sorry to burst your bubble-But the 60 seat Senate majority is dead.
Hatch - another "eternal' politician who will serve until he is dead,I wish to
goodness that people would have the courage to place term limits on the people
they send to Washington.I have never understood why politicians seem to wallow
in the boring stuffy political life back in Washington, why can't they serve a
term or two and then come back home and let someone else have a chance to serve
the people also?
I like Hatch. He is a really nice person (based on personal experience). I don't
support him politically on many things, but I respect and admire him (and
support him on some issues). It really is too bad that this political landscape
has been defined by Glen Beck/Keith Olbermann type of apologetics/polemics. It
is mindless, childlish and unproductive. The "tea parties", yelling about
health care "socialism" and general hysteria is sickening. Now that I think
about it I will support Hatch, Bennett and other moderate Republicans over the
extreme 'conservatives' who seem to love the Chaffetz types in Utah County.
Utah County...geeez, what a place!
Hatch is a really nice person, and when he says something I listen...I'm not
from Utah though. I liked the story about when Kennedy helped get the steeple
approved for the Boston building. There was a lot of opposition to the height
of the steeple and Kennedy said, there are steeples all over the place on other
churches here, let them have their steeple. And it was done.
I've been thinking lately about how much people really HATE each other these
days for political views. This friendship is inspirational to me and should be
for everybody who "hates people of the opposing view"
I have always admired how the two worked together. One of the things I loved
about living in Boston was the opportunity to vote against Ted Kennedy, but I
had to admit, his desires were in the right place. I wish more in Washington
could be willing to work together for the good of the nation instead of the
awful vitrial that comes accross now.
I'm sure this will soon fill up with liberal this and liberal that hatred. I thoroughly enjoyed reading what two people with different views can do
when they put the people first and let personal views fall away.