Too bad you feel that way, oh, everyone else is just expressing their FEELINGS!
What makes you think that everyone posting here is LDS or Utahans? Who's
judging now? BYW, I live in Idaho. Are you active in the LDS church? I have
found some that post are not active & try to get a "rise" out of those that are.
Don't you think that Ted Kennedy was a hypocrite? You need to look at how he
voted & then make your statement. Some of us DO follow what Congress is doing &
he, Sir, was a hypocrite with a capital H! Don't accuse or JUDGE when you don't
know anything about the people that are posting! There is a lot of anger
because Kennedy was leading this country down the road to SOCIALISM!! Again,
check his voting record, it is public knowledge!Tell Teddy hello
when you get there.
For all the good he did, it is still such a sad story about Mary Jo who might
have been saved if someone had gotten there quickly and she wouldn't have had to
suffer. He no doubt was intoxicated and certainly disoriented...and worried
about political things...it is just really unfortunate.
Just dropped in to see what the readers of the D.N. would be saying about this
defender of the disenfranchised. Yep, as usual, my expectations
were met with another dose of nasty mean spirited blather. Thanks
to "Principles & Values" and "Lance", maybe some of these readers actually have
a heart and some measure of compassion?
After reading and hearing all the horrible comments by my fellow LDS and Utahns,
I am ashamed.I would rather go to hell with Ted Kennedy than to
heaven with all the heartless, self-righteous hypocrites any day!
We are only human. We have a tendency to judge when we shouldn't. I feel that
some of the remarks made here are emotional as we have watched our country
slowly be destroyed by those who have swore to uphold the constitution! Mr.
Kennedy had become one of the most "socialist" Senators that we have ever had!
He wanted complete control of the people, just look at his voting record, it
doesn't lie! I can totally understand everyones frustrations & inability to
show any sympathy at his passing, yet I understand that we must also try harder
to be more Christ-like & show compassion. I didn't really like the man, but I
am sympathetic to the situation.
I am ashamed and embarrassed to read some of the hateful comments about a
man who served his country. One may disagree with Ted Kennedy's politics, but he
served in the military, served his community, and his three brothers were killed
while serving our country. I am conservative and LDS, and for those with hatred
for a man who just passed on, you do not share my principles and values.
I agree, we should look for good and forgive faults. What I find a "remarkable
deed" is that Kennedy, 30 yrs ago' had sense enough to realize that the USA had
the best health care in the world that could care for the Russian infant and
give her 30 yrs and the priviledge to live here in the USA. What I fail to see
is where the health care has declined in the past 30 yrs? But yet Kennedy was
out in front on wanting to make us a nation where this little infant was 30 yrs
ago in terms of medical care! Hopefully there are leaders out there today, like
Kennedy was 30 yrs ago, that still believe's in the greatest health care in the
world where anyone can come and truly recieve a "remarkable deed" that
socialized medicine, seldom or even, can provide! God bless Ted and his family!
But God bless us all if we let government run our health care! I know!! I had to
come from Australia to experience the same "remakable deed", America's current
health care provides! Again, God bless Mr. Kennedy and his family!
So I gave my comment not defending Kennedy's beliefs and EVEN stated that I
disagreed with him. I stated simply that we can be respectful and that these
forums often bring out the worst in people, including LDS members, and that it
ought not be that way. I also stated that many members would act differently
depending on who 'may be watching' even though according to our beliefs they ARE
being watched.I said this to pay respect to a politician who served
the country.NOW to my REAL defense. I did not state political party
and your assumption of my political stance is also wrong. I am a republican and
furthermore his close friend was ALSO a republican. His name is Orrin Hatch. See
there are intelligent republicans and those who just sound incompetent. Sarah
Palin at very least- gives off an impression of incomptetance for the republican
party which is such a shame as being Republican, Christian, or Conservative
should not be views as ignorant as there are many intelligent 'thinkers' in the
GOP which are getting ignored because of the short sighted comments like at
least one made against mine. (And all incorrectly..gee golly)
God Bless MaryJo!
According to the news Kennedy did a remarkable deed. An infant in Russia needed
medical care that was unavailable in her country. Somehow Senator Kennedy knew
about it and arranged for her to come to the United States. She is now 30 and
a beautiful women living in NYC. Without Kennedy's intervention she would have
died as in infant in Russia. Always try to look for the good in people and
What is wrong with you horrible people?
I am sorry for his family, but I cannot say that I will cry for his passing.
His death marks the end of an era and provides a time of reflection about what
America's political leaders should be standing for regarding family, human
sexuality, and parents' rights and most of all upholding the great Constitution
of our country. Kennedy's showed efforts to improve education and help the
uninsured and the poor, but he neglected to acknowlege his Catholic roots by
protecting the rights of unborn children. He was a champion for abortion, later
on a champion for same-sex 'marriage' and the pushing of the homosexual agenda
in our public schools. I will always remember him for Chappaquiddick. That's a
very sad legacy.
I guess the truth hurts. This isn't anything new! There have ALWAYS been
disagreements about Ted Kennedy! Now he died, and the people are just stating
the truth....what about when President Hinckley died? The protestors all around
the conference center saying he was going to burn in hell! Sorry sir or madame,
that in my book is very disrespectful. Were they qualified to state that? So
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?
Thanks for the excellent response to "to some of you @ 9:53 am! Couldn't have
said it any better!
"it's obvious that LDS people dislike diversity of any kind....."Huh????? You cannot judge a whole church because of a handful of the people
that belong to it! EVERY church has it's bad apples & problems, no church is
immune from it. Diversity works both ways, Clark.
"Less respect for Utahns & Mormons...."What makes you think that
just because the DN is a Mormon publication that it is only Mormons or Utahans
(the correct spelling)? Believe it or not, we are NOT all Mormons or Utahans!
Shame on you! "Judge Not that ye be not judged!"
Yeah, he was a lion alright - and we were his prey as he would chew us up & spit
us out! Whatever Ted Kennedy did was for Ted Kennedy. I can't
honestly say that I am sad because he was not one of my favorite people. He did
several things that I did not agree with, but I do understand that he had a
family & I am sorry for them, but I am not sorry for our country....I do not
feel that he "was the best Senator that we have ever had" as the news people are
reporting. The praise that they are giving him I do not feel he deserves. I
hope Mass. can get an honest (pushing it, I know) Senator that will follow the
Constitution, not one that will change it & make up laws that go against what
our forefathers wanted.I really to not think he deserves the
"praise" that he is getting because I think he was about the most
socialist-thinking Senator that we ever had. I am sorry, but I do
not shed any tears for him. I do not think he deserves the praise he is
Some of you people are really, really harsh in your comments about Kennedy.
The man had his flaws. But, you don't have to agree with his
politics to admire his dedication and loyalty to our great country.I
think some of your right wing heroes are completely wrong in their thinking and
politics but I can at least respect their commitment to democracy and doing what
they feel is best for the country.
Sorry at the passing of any person, tho, he is probably better off, considering
his illness.Just read his bio about his early life: cheating, lying,school
expulsions, etc--then make your own judgments. I personally think any person in
the Senate more than 2 or 3 terms has been there too long. Fresh blood, fresh
thinking, fresh ideas: no political alliances, no tainting of clear thinking.Hatch & Bennett take note
Some of you people are really sad....Would you insult a brother the day after he
died? Even if you viewed him to be "immoral", would you abuse his name and his
life publicly the very next day? Just because the man was a public figure
doesn't justify your abuses now that he's dead...
I was sick to hear Sen. Hatch on radio today speak how he is such a conservative
and Kennedy such a liberal and "that they could get along." No, you both are
liberals. Hatch is only conservative when in Utah or on Utah radio. Hatch
has lived off government salary and pension since 1976 and yet he is against
"all these programs that the Kennedys championed." If Sen. Hatch is against so
much government involvement, WHAT IS HE DOING IN WASHINGTON DC??????? He
collects a paycheck and doesn't think the government should do anything.
"So let me get this straight. Because there are pockets of LDS people who jump
on-line and rip on Democrats like Ted Kennedy, that makes ALL LDS people
judgemental, which in turn makes Utah a TERRIBLE place to live?"No,
Clark. It's the sum of about a year's reading on a variety of
topics of which this latest is altogether typical and predictable.
Just drove by the Capitol in SLC, the flag was at half-mast. I know that
Pres. Obama requested that. Just proud that Utah did what was right.
So let me get this straight. Because there are pockets of LDS people who jump
on-line and rip on Democrats like Ted Kennedy, that makes ALL LDS people
judgemental, which in turn makes Utah a TERRIBLE place to live?To
those who believe this kind of thinking, I wish to point out there are MANY
websites and blogs aimed at attacking LDS Church members and leaders, and that
many of these are filled with language which would make a sailor blush. Should I
assume by these websites and blogs that MOST if not ALL Utahns outside of the
LDS Church hold similar hateful and bigoted views of LDS people and leaders? If someone writes a disgusting on-line comment about Thomas S. Monson,
the Salt Lake Temple, BYU students or LDS women in general, would I be correct
in assuming ALL individuals who are friends, co-workers and neighbors of this
person hold the same views?We MUST be respectful of Senator Kennedy
and his family at this time. I don't like reading some of the dirt being thrown
around. By respect and understanding of others is NOT a one-way street.
For the first time in my life I can honestly say that I wish many other members
of the House and Senate would follow his example
Senator Kennedy always worked for the good of the "little guy" and, in doing so,
spent over 40 years atoning for his actions at Chappaquidick. His work in the
Senate was ALWAYS for the good of the country and its people, and was infinitely
better than those seeking to block and bad-mouth his efforts. He will be
Kennedy got paid for his service? Yeah, a 170 grand a year and what could he
have made by not being in the senate? You gotta be kidding me - to say he made
no sacrifice is a bunch of bs. He could have resigned his senate seat a quarter
of a century ago and sat on the boards of 10 corporations at $2 million apiece
per year. I couldn't have disagreed with him more on public policy but to trash
a guy the day he dies is the lowest form of cowardice. You weasels would have
drug him out of his house and tarred and feathered him if you could have gotten
away with it. If you disagree with his policy, say so, but when you start
making calls as to his place in heaven or hell you know you put yourself in a
seat that you are way underqualified to sit in.
It's too bad that Kennedy wasn't a seminary teacher who had sex with a minor.
These boards would be much kinder to him if he did...Rest in peace,
I want to urge my fellow brothers and sisters of the LDS Church to please be
sensitive and kind and respectful towards the Kennedys during this very sad
time. Let's not forget how his brother John F. Kennedy spoke in the Mormon
Tabernacle on Temple Square on September 26, 1963. I would ask that you respect
the Kennedy family the way the Kennedy's have respected the families of fallen
LDS Prophets including Gordon B. Hinckley. Please brothers and sisters. Try to
be kind just this one day.
I wonder what he said to Mary Jo Kopechne if he met her on the other side.
sad day for his family but as a leader I am glad the ole Lion is gone!!
Ted Kennedy's passing was sad for his family and proper respect should be paid.
However, I can't think of ANYTHING I actually agreed with that Kennedy did over
the years. His policies and his ultra liberal agenda were FAR from good for the
country. In fact I would say Ted Kennedy was a force for wrong more than a force
for good. His older brother and president (John) and his other brother (Bobbie)
were much more moderate and centrist than Teddy. Teddy was off the charts
liberal in most cases and was simply wrong on most everything he spoke out on.
He did pass some policy which was good but by far the bulk of the work from the
"Lion of the Senate" was harmful to America as a whole.
It will be a nice reunion. Rest well.
To Clark:When did Utah last have a Dem. Gov or Senator? I can't say that things were bad for Utah when Gov. Scott Matheson or Sen.
Frank Moss were in office. (Jim Matheson is a Representative, not senator).Gunn McKay was also a great Representative.Btw: Utah last
voted for Dem. Pres for Johnson after JFK assignation. SLC / County
voted for Obama in 2008.
You people are ALL nuts.Who really cares? Go get a life!
Lets put it this way, it was right around the time that Kennedy became a senetor
All the hypocrites here who are demonizing Sen Kennedy will be absolutely
furious when Sen Hatch dies and people speak ill of him, or any other
conservative that they love but is not liked by moderates or the left. They will
demand that the comments be respectful. Why? Your not, why should we be
respectful of your icons when your not of ours? Please remember that. You wont,
but I do hope.
Spent his entire life using the tax code to empower himself. And people thank
him for his "dedicated service?"He is the poster boy for term
limits.For a guy who wanted government healthcare for all, it seems
a little strange he didn't travel to Canada or Cuba to access their superior
Progressive 12:02 said, "I've lived in many palces (you mean places, right?) and
a number of countries, Utah is an embarassment and the most uncivilized place
I've ever lived in the world. Just be thankful it's irrelevant."I'm
curious to know, where exactly have you lived in the world, and where in Utah do
you live right now? Tooele? Beaver? Millard County? And if Utah is
so "irrelevant," how come website after website is calling for a boycott of
Utah, because of Prop 8? How come our economy is continuing to stay above
average? How come I just met a family the other day from Israel who came to see
Zions and Arches National Park? And how come prominent Utahns like Jon Huntsman
are being named to national and international government assignments? Oh and don't forget that whole Winter Olympics thing back in 2002, along with
the nationally acclaimed work going on at the U of U and BYU in the fields of
medicine, enginerring and space exploration.I wish to send my best
wishes to the entire Kennedy family at this time.
As I stated earlier I don't agree with Ted Kennedy's politics. I would have
voted against everytime if I live in Massachusettes and would do so if he was
still running. That said we are not his judge nor do we have the
right to judge him. Sure he made his mistakes and he will answer for them just
as each one of us will have to answer for ours.I'm LDS and a
Republican. Still if I would have been in the Senate and tried to get through
certain legislation I know that the first person I would try to understand my
point of view would have been Ted Kennedy. Why, because without him I probably
couldn't get it passed without a partisan vote. Getting Ted Kennedy to side
with you all but guaranteed passage of the bill. Regardless of his mistakes,
regardless of his life style and definitely regardless of his party affiliation
I feel he man deserves our respect and our condolences to his family.We as an American People are better for him and those who serve our country.
I never felt him as an enemy just as a man.
God bless you and your family Sen. Kennedy.
Whoever responded to my comment made a good point. It is actually very nice to
see so many friendly comments even from those who didn't agree with him. It just
sickened me to see some people actually happy about someone's death. I did read the comments from Romney, Bennett, and Hatch. Romney and Hatch
seemed genuinely saddened while Bennett apparently didn't do much work with
Kennedy as his response seemed like a boilerplate response. It's
difficult for me to tell if Utah really appreciates diversity based on my
experiences and because of hateful comments I read in forums like this and what
I hear from people I work with. I'm glad that you are open and welcoming to
diversity.I live in Eagle Mountain which is virtually all LDS. My
neighbors assume I'm Mormon but when they find out otherwise, they don't talk to
me anymore aside from an occasional "hi". One of them gave me a Book of Mormon.
I just want to say how impressed I am that many in this forum who didn't agree
with Teddy's politics are recognize his service to the country and his party.
I can only hope that conservatives and leftists (like myself) can
find more time to find common ground then too accuse and bicker. Maybe there's
hope for all of us yet.
To all LDS who are spewing hatred on the late Edward Kennedy, listen to
President Gordon B. Hinckley: "We can give our opinions on the merits of the
situation as we see it, but never let us become a party to words or works of
evil concerning our brothers and sisters on one side or the other. Political
differences never justify hatred or ill will." Shame on you.
@New Yorker | 6:12 a.m. It must be an admirable trait in your world
where one can so judgmental and unforgiving. Or does it all depend on one's
politics?"He who is without sin . . . "
The flame will forever endure. The legacy of Ted Kennedy continues to point the
way.As with his brothers, America is a much finer place because of
I am not sure what you meant by many palces but if Utah is the most uncivilized
place you have lived I believe you left out an a...You meant to say "I've lived
in many palaces and a number of countries." Really, despising a man who seemed
to dedicate his life to destroying self motivation in the masses and stopping
people from becoming wealthy while enjoying his own excesses does not make one
Yes, SLC has a few democrats in office here and there. But according to a
popular "best places" to live site, Salt Lake City is only 56% LDS. Provo (and
probably the rest of the state) is nearly 90% LDS. Perhaps I just need to move
from Provo to SLC.When was the last time Utah had a non-republican
governor? When was the last time Utah voted for a non-republican president? What
about Utah's senators? These are rhetorical questions because I know the answers
can easily be found online. The point is it's been a very long time. It can't be denied that for the most part Mormons are republicans. In my
personal experience, Mormons aren't very receptive to diversity and seem very
hate-filled towards democrats - even using the word "liberal" as if it were an
Back when John Kerry was the Democrat nominee for President, Republican Mitt
Romney was the Governor of Massachusetts. Problem? Well if Kerry had won then
Romney would get to appoint a replacement for his Senate seat. What did the
Dems in Mass do? They changed the law requiring a special election 145 to 160
days after the resignation or death of a Senator, thus ensuring that Romney, a
Republican, wouldn't get to appoint a succesor and cost the Dems a seat. That
was 2004, now forward to 2009, with the death of Ted Kennedy, the Massachusetts
governor (who is a Democrat) is asking the legislator of Massachusetts to pass a
law allowing him to appoint a succesor until the special election can be held.
Why? Mainly so the Dems still have 60 votes in the U.S. Senate for the health
care debate. No word on whether the legislator will go for it, but sad
commentary on the thirst for power by Dems in Massachusetts. Simply keep
changing the law to protect your power at all costs. Pathetic...
Another I forgot: it was 1963 not 1943
Re: Service? | 8:04 a.m. Aug. 26, 2009 In response to the 9/11
attacks, Edward Kennedy pushed through legislation that provided healthcare and
grief counseling benefits for the families, and recommended the appointment of
his former chief of staff Kenneth Feinberg as Special Master of the government's
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund. Kennedy maintained an ongoing bond with
the Massachusetts 9/11 families in subsequent years.In response to
losses of Massachusetts service personnel in Iraq to roadside bombs, Kennedy
became vocal on the issue of Humvee vulnerability, and co-sponsored enacted 2005
legislation that sped up production and Army procurement of unarmored
Humvees.While Kennedy was a staunch liberal, he was able to breach
the political barrier between parties, and managed to gain cooperation from
Republican Senators.I could continue as the list of his
accomplishments regarding legislation for the benefit of Americans regardless of
race, gender, or sexual orientation is quite lengthy...but we are limited to
length in our remarks.I didn't agree with everything Kennedy did in
his life...but he was a hell of a politician and he served his country
throughout his life.Rest in peace, Senator.
I remember once back in about 1990 when Senators Hatch and Kennedy came to the
Faneuil Hall in downtown Boston to address the missionaries in the Boston
Mission. Both speeches were among the greatest I have ever heard to this day.
Teddy praised the missionaries and their leaders and also the LDS members who
had been so sparce in the area, it was really great and I loved every word
said.I was also in Houston, TX in 1943 when President Kennedy was
assassinated in Dallas, TX. I will never how difficult that had been on all of
the people of those days and how much his wife had family had suffered so
much.While I have many differences with the Kennedys my heart goes
out to them with all of my heart.PS to anonymous; My wife and I
lived in Utah for 15 years and had 5 children there who we love. Oh yeah I
forgot, we are mormons and we love it.
Anonymous 8:49, no kidding, I've lived in many palces and a number of countries,
Utah is an embarassment and the most uncivilized place I've ever lived in the
world. Just be thankful it's irrelevant.
I think it is interesting how you cherry picked over the respectful, kind things
said about Senator Kennedy, only to focus your attention on the mean-spirited
comments and assume ALL Utah LDS Republicans think the same way. Have you read
the comments by Orrin Hatch, Bob Bennett and Mitt Romney? I don't
know where you live, but in my neighborhood, the LDS Church members have a good
relationship with those of other faiths and beliefs. I have a number of non-LDS
friends who have lived here in Utah for many years, and while they may not like
some aspects of our culture, they refuse to play the perpetual victim card.As for me, I AM LDS, I AM from Utah and I AM a Registered Republican. I
WELCOME MORE diversity here to Utah. I WELCOME MORE Catholics, Jews, Athiests
and yes, DEMOCRATS to Utah.As for Senator Ted Kennedy, I praise his
service to our country. The Lord bless his family during this difficult time.
Not only in losing the senator, but in also losing his sister Eunice just a week
or so earlier.
For anybody who dies I offer my condolecences to their family but I thought
Arlington National Cemetary was reserved for war heros and their spouses?
Besides Arlington is getting filled up. His brother Bobby didn't want to be
buried there and Teddy wasn't a war hero.
I know this is far down the list, but I want to contribute anyway to anyone who
may be reading. (I am both a very active Mormon and a very active Democrat - it
is possible!)For many of his years, Ted Kennedy had the personal
morals of a pig. But people change. He took his stripes for Chappaquidick, and
saw it keep him from the white house. He could have become a bitter, angry -
and very rich - man who used his money without morals to get what he wanted.
Instead, he turned to serving America in the senate and to seeing that all
Americans get an equal shot at all the blessings of liberty and wealth. For
those he say: he was paid, how is that service? Remember that everyone in
military service is also paid, and no one would doubt that they serve America.
He was a remarkable and kind man. He will have much to answer for,
but his good works since Chappaquidick will speak to his desire to be good and
to give back the goodness shown to him.May God bless America, and
may God bless the Kennedys at this very sad time.
Kennedy said this of Reagan's conservative choice, Robert Bork. "Rober Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley
abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could
break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught
about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the
Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of
millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is -- and is often the only --
protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy...
President Reagan is still our president. But he should not be able to reach out
from the muck of Irangate, reach into the muck of Watergate and impose his
reactionary vision of the Constitution on the Supreme Court and the next
generation of Americans. No justice would be better than this injustice".Really? The newspapers may call him, "Lion of the Senate",
"Defender of Liberalism", etc...Strip away the accolades and you quickly realize
he was probably the chief political opponent of conservative, traditional family
Read some of the comments about this on some of the national news outlets. I'd
say D-News readers are being very restrained in comparison. Mr. Kennedy was not
well liked outside of MA.And I agree with others. To come on this
message board and proclaim your loss of faith in the LDS people because of
comments you read on a Utah message board is uninformed and juvenile.
My 2 cents worth now. Before you DN Utah liberal PC Thought Police cherry
pickers get your hot little fingers poised over the keyboard to tell me that
none of my comments are never found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic,
misrepresentative, more than 200 words, just the truth, then censor me anyway,
just because I will not sit here in a pool of tear's and a box of tissue's next
to my side, and mourn the death of poor old Teddy, (aka - Sen. Edward M. Kennedy
of Massachusetts), I refuse to be censored. Who cares if liberal tributes are
pouring in, from presidents, statesmen, senators, and journalists, not I. You
can't cover up the truth's. A book The Bribe was written about his exploits with
the Mafia. It's the liberal media that worships the Kennedy Irish mafia.
You said, "Only in Utah will a man that did what he did would be castigated and
ridiculed for his accomplishments."I thought that too...until I went
to the Amazon forums to see what was being posted there. It's unfortunately very
much the same as what you see here.
DNS, I will be nice: I refuse to worship Ted,his turn came, as it does for all.
Just because one dies,does not make them a saint! We all are, what we are, when
our time comes.
"To LDS Democrats? 9:37" said, "... it is obvious that LDS people dislike
diversity of any kind. If you're not LDS and not republican your thoughts and
opinions are automatically wrong. LDS are apparently unwilling to accept
different people."OH OKAY, that's why the current mayor of Salt Lake
City is a Democrat. That's why the current mayor of Salt Lake County is a
Democrat. That's why the residents of the 2nd Congressional District have
elected a Democrat FIVE straight times. That's why the late Bill Orton, A
DEMOCRAT, was elected three times in the third district. Shall I
continue?"To some of you 9:53" said, "Only in Utah will a man that
did what he did would be castigated and ridiculed for his accomplishments." ARE YOU SERIOUS? My brother lives in North Carolina, and when Jesse
Helms passed away several years ago, he was ripped apart on the Internet and
even in some news stories. And what about when President Hinckley passed away?
Can you say with a straight face he wasn't "castigated" on the web by many of
your fellow "Christians?" Talk about being narrow minded!
47 years as a senator! Wow, politics should not be a career choice. 2 terms
would be plenty for all politicians.
Sorry you are so blinded by political views. I will grant you that he did give
financial support to those he deemed in need. Albeit, the money was taken from
one group and given to another. Never out of his own pocket in true marxists
fashion."We are all beneficiaries of his service?" Its self service. Get
to the crux of the matter. Politicians of our day are only self serving, they
resemble nothing that Washington or Jefferson demonstrated.
"The more I read Deseret News the less respect I have for Utahns and
Mormons."I must agree with you on losing respect for Mormons. I was
born and raised in Utah and am not a Mormon. I know the vast majority of Utah is
made up of Mormon/republicans but I am not either.I think it's
disgusting that the first comment was enthusiastically about the possibility in
shifting the balance of power back to the republicans. If he was a republican,
Mormons would forgive his past mistakes. When McCain dies, I'm sure Mormons will
forgive him for the fact that he left his disabled wife for a rich heiress and
call him a great man. Utah needs more non-Mormon/republican people
to make our presence known. Even if just in an anonymous forum.
My condolences go out to his family, the Senate and our country.Thank you Mr. Kennedy for your service.
Short memories? 8:52 said, "Remember President Hinckley's funeral when
"protesters" stood by the road to the funeral with signs that said he was going
to hell? Did any of you people who are cheering Kennedy's death think that was
appropriate?"Have you read EACH AND EVERY comment on this board so
far? YES, some people are being disrespectful, but many others who are LDS and
GOP are showing respect for Senator Kennedy and offering condolence to his
family.TRUE, bad mouthing anyone (except for maybe Hitler and
Saddam) right after they have passed away is WRONG. Which begs the question, if
a prominent Republican here in Utah passed away today, would every comment be
kind and respectful, or would there be a few at least a few cheap shots by some
of your "compassionate" Democrat friends?True, Senator Kennedy's
record is not flawless, but the fact is he held his family through tragedy after
tragedy and in the last 100 years of our nation's history, few politicians have
been more compelling and influential than Ted Kennedy. RIP and bless
his family at this time!
you people making derogatory comments are despicable and your comments reflect
poorly on you not Senator Kennedy. On a lighter note it is nice to see so many
thoughtful comments from those that may not have agreed with his politics but
still understand proper decorum. It gives hope that we may someday be able to
return the word civil to civil debate.
What a loss. He was a great man.
Just as not every opinion expressed in these comments is that of a member of the
LDS Church or a resident of Utah, we can't assume that New Yorker expresses the
views of everyone from his city or state. What a relief to know all that.
I'd like to look at the lives of some of the writers herein.. I wonder if their
accomplishments are even a flicker compared to Ted Kennedy. I'd guess not-- I
wonder if their moral lives are better than Ted Kennedy.. Maybe, maybe not.I am a Christian and believe our Saviour will judge us each and everyone.
Only in Utah will a man that did what he did would be castigated and ridiculed
for his accomplishments.I feel sorrow for those of you that are so bitter
and small of heart that you cannot forgive or attempt to understand..And
yes, I was raised Mormon. I wonder why I left it????
Sen. Kennedy had character flaws but we all have character flaws. He did more
good for the common American citizens than most recognize - esp. those who spew
hate and thus show their ignorance.Condolences to the Kennedy family.
thank you ... yours is probably the most perceptive comment to this story ... i
grew up in this culture ... i'm glad i didn't stay..
You mean there is such a thing as LDS Democrats??? I've yet to meet an LDS
person that is something other than "conservative" republican. If
you don't think Kennedy served his country and stayed in office too long, then
obviously Utah's senators aren't serving their country and are staying in office
WAAAAAAAY too long. Though I'm sure the vast majority of Utah would love term
limits on anyone that is not a republican. I've spent my life in
Utah and it is obvious that LDS people dislike diversity of any kind. If you're
not LDS and not republican your thoughts and opinions are automatically wrong.
LDS are apparently unwilling to accept different people. Which becomes clear
when reading most of the comments left in forums like this that are remotely
political. Well LDS republicans, I'd like for you to know that you
CAN be a Christian and a "liberal" democrat, or at least a Christian and not a
republican if you can't accept a Christian democrat as a possibility.
His tenure as senator working on education was both good and bad. Pell Grants?
Good. Americorp? Good. Direct Lending? Bbbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddd! Why? Because
of Kennedy, students now pay more money for student loans and have a harder time
getting them. Tens of thousands of jobs have been lost for which Kennedy so
pridefully patted himself on the back. Students, listen closely. Direct lending
eliminates competition and you will pay more money for school. Student loan
servicers and private lenders used to offer a discount for loans and advantages
for paying on time. At one point it was over a 2% reduction in interest. Kennedy
has pushed the government to take over student lending, and is close to winning.
If the government takes over, and the only option is Direct Lending, be prepared
to pay more money toward your education. There will be no discounts as there
were with private lending, nor the service that was offered. There will be more
frustration, less bang for the buck, and longer lines trying to figure things
out. Let alone the cost to schools to change all of their computer systems to
accomodate the change. I am glad I am done with school!
want to see what non mormons are like read the trib.
Everybody has to go out someway! And we all leave our fooprint - big or small,
good or bad! In two weeks no one will remember him or speak his name. And we
What makes idiots think that because you post in the DNs that you are a Mormon?
Wake up children, not everybody in Utah or reads the DN is a Mormon.
. . . shed no tears for Teddy Kennedy.
God is a perfect judge....let us let Him do it. As a LDS woman, we understand
and believe that those who didn't have the gospel in this life can't be judged
as if they did. I wonder how he spent his last days on earth? I'm sure he was
reviewing his life as some of us will get to or do. He was probably not happy
with some of his choices...just like we won't be with some of ours. But, he was
raised to believe as he did and put his energies into it. Do we do the same?
Believe me...I didn't like his choices....but my voice didn't come out to oppose
his. It is a little late for our voices to be heard about him now. Pray that God
comforts his family...then lets use our voices to make sure someone who is so
different from our view points doesn't get into or stay in politics.
I know you, You are most definitely unaccomplished.
That couldn't be farther from the truth. He was always about progress and
equality for all Americans. Nothing like conservative politicians that are about
individualism and self service, fighting a progress and social services.Kennedy was a fine statesman that fought for those that are oppressed, lending
a voice to those that are unheard.
The more I read Deseret News the less respect I have for Utahns and Mormons.
I started reading it to find out about how you think. Now I wish I
Mr. Kennedy has been lionized by his length of service and admitted devotion to
his causes. However, as with most of us, most of his so-called accomplishments
were made possible by sacrifices others made. Its a theme for his
entire political life. He was for the common man...as long as other common men
footed the bill and no one touched his trust fund. He was for
renewable energy, unless someone proposed to sully his view at Hyannis Port with
wind machines. I pray for the Kennedy Family as they take another
member of the Greatest Generation to rest. However, history may not treat Teddy
as nicely as the media are today.
An event like certainly brings out the best and the worst in us. I am pleased
to see generous comments, even from those who disagreed with the politics of the
senator from Massachusetts. I am shocked to see personal attacks on his
character. This is no time for such pettiness. I am appalled to see sweeping
condemnation of everyone on the other side of the political fence. "Democrats
are arrogant and condescending." I can't imagine a more ARROGANT statement than
that. Petty, just petty.Mr Kennedy had his faults, but he was a dedicated
servant. I salute him.
As one who grew up not worshipping the Kennedys, I have often been perplexed
what is the fascination with them? Please don't try to explain, it's a
rhetorical question. I realize that America needs heroes so we take people,
ignore any faults and cast ourselves statues of gold that we may see them
without any imperfection. It is what has allowed us to deify everyone from
George Washington to Lincoln to Kennedy to Obama. My heart goes out to the
family but let us be careful in the future to never put personalities above
While those who extol Sen Kennedy for his passion and years of service are
correct, the positive nature of his contributions will always be debatable. He
"served" in a highly paid, ego-stroking, protected, pampered 'Old Boys Club' and
wanted for nothing. Yes, he probably worked hard at it. I am sure his
staffers and handlers worked harder. His name is well known, his presence
long on the stage, but I disagree wholeheartedly with the adulation for the
direction of his work, and the way he led and lived his personal life. Even to
the end, knowing he was terminally ill, that senate seat meant more to him, and
his elitist belief in his presence over that of a healthy and active replacement
was self-serving. Rather than gracefully retire, he clung to it instead, and
the Commonwealth at home is without representation, while the politicking goes
on to change procedures that would have been unnecessary if he could have left
the scene gracefully.Condolences to the family and friends.
that I have to say.....................
did his best to help those with less. His only fault was that he liked Senator
If you consider him a great statesman---covering up the Kopechne incident,
putting his wife Joan aside because she was an alcoholic( that's like calling
the kettle black..He's also a hypocrite for touting green energy and
then not wanting windmills around his property because "the scenery was
obstructed" is just one of his gems.I was around when he first began
his political career, and anyone could see that his views were liberal and clung
to the Democratic line.Not once did he vere from that even though
they were wrong, so for that I call him a coward and a typical politician who
was only interested in pleasing his party.Definitely not "A Man for
All Seasons" and anyone you could admire.
The question was asked "What in his life is worthy of emulation?" One thing
would be his personal support for the children of his brothers who were left
without fathers when they were killed in their line of service. Another would
be his sacrifice of personal comfort and fortune to serve the American people.
How about his willingness to mentor young politicians, like Barack Obama, who
was helped by his guiding hand. Then there is his consistent principles of
helping the less fortuante to receive the same benefits as more privileged
people. He never used his considerable access to the public to downgrade any
group, to punish the already weak or to profit from their hardship. Nothing
required him to give his life for the public good, he just did it and we are all
beneficiaries of his service.
Wake up star-struck America. This man is a disgrace. Just search Mary Jo
Kopechne, Chappaquiddick of Ted Kennedy DRUNK DRIVER and you will see a major
problem with America (or at least MA). And we haven't even discussed his
politics.Any one of us would have rotted in JAIL. Ted Kennedy
instead lived a lifestyle of lavishness and is now praised as the greatest
Senator ever my our President. Shame.
Thank you for the many years of service. May you rest in peace.
@Anonymous 7:18 a.m.:"Duck for cover!"We shoulda been
ducking for cover for years... ever since this guy came on the political scene.
It's now time for us to all take a deep breathe of the fresh air of freedom...
freedom from not a lion of the senate by a hyena.
This is a great day for all freedom loving Americans. The only service he ever
gave was to himself. On to your reward, my friend, on to your reward.
What do you mean "served his country?" He got paid for being a senator. It was
his job--a very powerful, prideful one. He didn't "serve" his country. He used
his powerful job and family name as a bully pulpit to try to push through his
pet socially liberal and immoral policies. Name one policy that he pushed
through that actually helped his state or countrymen become a better people?
I disagreed with Ted on most issues, but as a Christian I do not judge him. My
prayers are with the Kennedy family.
Voting at 18, Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), Title 9 (Women's Sports),
and another 300 bills he wrote and 500 that he co-sponsered and you can see that
he affected every American alive today and made our country a better place for
ALL Americans. The hate and disparagement thrown at him the day
after he dies by many of our citizens here on this forum reflects worse on them
then on him. He did something with his life and devoted it to service. He was
human like any of us are and made mistakes and had opinions that we may not have
agreed with but he still served as best he could and served until the end of his
life. Personally, I'd rather follow his example then those that revile him.May the coming Health Bill be named after him and if it won't pass with
a single republican vote, so be it. It's time for republicans to start working
for the common man instead of their wallets or fear based ideology.
6:35 said to New Yorker "I couldn't agree with you more!! Thank you for standing
up and calling him out."Calling him out? The man is dead. How
brave of you both to make claims against a dead man who has no opportunity to
refute what you say. You are both cowards - of the worst kind.
he will be remembered as a great statesman ... you will not be remembered ...
your toxic comments give us a window into a miserable little soul..
If the Republicans can get Kennedy's seat it will indicate major shifts. All
10 House seats in Massachusetts have been held by the Democrats since 1996.
Anyway, with Senate seats the initial replacement is apointed by the governor
(thus the Illinois selling the seat debacle) and Massachusetts has a Democrat
governor, so don't anticipate any quick change.
I also agree with New Yorker. Lets ignore all the scandal that surrounded this
man's life. What in is life is worthy of anyone wanting to emulate? I would
not want to be in his shoes trying to justify his life actions at the pearly
"I just hope that he repented of these views before his death. I am embarrassed
that Sen. Hatch would have anything to do with such a man who was truly a model
of the old corrupt politician one reads about or sees in the movies."If you're looking for corrupt politicians, look no further than Mr. Dick
Cheney. The man who turned the Vice Presidencey into a one-man power trip. The
man who continually made enemies with is decisions, and was quick to strike back
at those enemies who might call him on his immoral movements. The man, along
with George W. Bush, who urged the Homeland Security Secretary to inflate the
National Alert Level prior to the 2004 Presidential Election, to try and sway
voters.Republicans will see what they want, and ignore what they
want. As I'm sure many Democrats do.This man served his country for
decades. He fought the fights that his beliefs pushed him towards. America has
lost a true fighter, in a time when too many merely fight for what is popular.
The man's works and political beliefs were shameful...bad fruit his entire adult
life. This country will be better off without him. Now, if we could just rid
this country of his kind of corrupt politics, this nation would rise again as
the home of the free.
Though I never agreed much with his politics, I will always remember that he
still stood for the common man. Everyone has their skeletons and everyone makes
their own beds but in the end Ted Kennedy was a good Senator. He will be
remembered as a great statesman. I wouldn't call him the greatest senator of
his time but I would rank him as one of the greatest of all time.May
his family have our condolences and may we all feel we are better people whether
we agreed with him or not, just for having known him.
What are you babbling about?Why do self described LDS Democrats
alaways feel the need to warn LDS Republicans on how to behave.Democrats are arrogant and condescending. LDS Liberals are all that, not to
Duck for cover! Its now 7:00 AM MST. Conservatives along the Wasatch front are
awaking to the news of Kennedy's death. So begins the hate
mongering Utah's un-churched conservatives are known for. Let it
fly. Don't hold back. Show us your true colors.
I do not mourn this man's death. He was a scandal to Irish Catholics as well as
the Church with his prominent pro-abortion support and embryonic stem cell
research.He was not an admirable man, and although I know everyone
has faults and I sympathize with some of them, I don't think that he should be
held up as a good politician, or a Catholic.I just hope that he
repented of these views before his death. I am embarrassed that Sen. Hatch
would have anything to do with such a man who was truly a model of the old
corrupt politician one reads about or sees in the movies.Eunice
Shriver was far more moral than Ted and deserves more recognition.
Were the words at his brother Bobby's funeral, "some men see things as they are,
and ask why? I dreamed things that never were and ask, why not?" I still
remember the tone and tenor of his voice. I had no stomach for his politics,
but I do give him credit for a wonderful memory from my childhood.
He died just last night. It would show grace and maturity to speak kindly of
him so soon after his passing.May his family and friends, including
Senator Hatch, be comforted.
There will be a lot of horrible comments on here. I am LDS and I will remind
other LDS members on here to be courteous as I am sure they would say very
different things if they knew that they were being watched (even though,
according to our beliefs, they are- Ironic). I would ask everyone else to be
kind as well but we all know that it certainly won't happen from half of the
comments on here anyway from anyone. Anonymous Forums=Death-trapsTED
KENNEDY-I always wanted to meet him- partially to say I had met one of the
brothers and mainly because though I disagree with some of his philosophical
beleifs I have no disagreement with his desire to do good.Many
Utah-LDS-Republicans forget- not everyone in our government can be LDS, it just
wouldn't work that way. Not everyone can be republican as well. When I turned 18
I hated George W. with a passion and now I realize that any president may be
amazing. I will always respect that as Joseph Smith's life is often distorted,
theirs may be also. Nothing more truthful can be said than that.
Rest in peace Mr. Kennedy. Hopefully in your death people will only choose to
remember the good things you did. We all do things we regret. You did a whole
lot of good in this world and we appreciate your willingness to serve our
country and stand up for your beliefs.
I couldn't agree with you more!! Thank you for standing up and calling him out.
Just because he's dead doesn't mean we should immortalize him. He's been a
senator for a long time...woopdie doo. He thought he owned Massachusetts, and he
was nothing but trouble in his past. He's not an admirable guy
I agree with New Yorker.
After reading Ted's biography, I can understand why Senator Hatch loved and
admired him...Goodbye Senator Kennedy, you will be greatly missed.
Accomplishments? Cheating in college, Mary Jo's death, affairs, partying with
his nephews (one charged with rape while with uncle teddy) and putting his wife
away.....now that is what I call accomplishments! If that is what Americans
consider to be accomplisments, I hope to be unaccomplished.
It was more than politics. He was just wrong on most issues, just like most
I believe in term limits, a career politican is like a growth that should be
removed as quickly as possible. I did not like his liberal politics, he fully
and completly supported the Obama administration in everythng including the
massive defecits this country now is facing. I am sure he did alot of good for
all his liberal buddies and this nation will now go into deep mourning for the
"end of and era" and all the other garbage heaped on a man who overstayed his
welcome and who should have resigned gracefully instead of refusing to step
down. For a man who claimed to care so much for the "common man" he was power
hungry and very vain and a big washington insider who will like the smell of
dirty laundry eventually fade away with time.
Another greedy selfish politician gone. That's a good thing for America.
Teddy!!! May your influences of dirty politics be taken with you, and may your
soul rest in peace!!!
"The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall
never die."So Be it.
I suspected that the end of Edward Kennedy was near when he did not attend his
sister's funeral a few days ago. And now both Eunice and Edward have died in
the same year. Edward Kennedy was the greatest of the Kennedys.
Whereas John's career spanned from 1947 to 1963 and Robert's career spanned from
1961 to 1968, Edward's career started in 1962 and ended in 2009. Most senators come and go and have the moral sense of a cat. Senator Kennedy
possessed real integrity -- he had a set of principles and he worked in the
senate and conducted his senate career by those principles. My
condolences to the Kennedy Family. He was one of the greatest
While many of us couldn't stand his politics, most of us can recognize his
commitment to his party and his beliefs. My condolences to his
family and supporters.
godspeed Sen. Kennedy! Your politics and accomplishments for social justice are
admirable. A true liberal, always fighting for the less advantaged. Many
(especially in Utah) will try and smear you, no doubt! In death we can forget
personal failings and recognize your public efforts (I don't believe in Jesus,
but approve of not 'casting the first stone'). God Bless America!
Sincere condolences to the Kennedy family.
I disagreed with him on almost everything but the simple reality is that Senator
Ted Kennedy was a tremendous part of American history. Where his
brother’s light burned bright for a brief moment his was duller but more
constant able to stay lit for almost 50 years. It sometimes flickered but his
underlying reach is the stuff of academic courses and historical biographies.
The latest was his hand up to the current president who was facing a formable
opponent. The photo op of Barack Obama and JFK brother and daughter should not
be underestimated. Of course his personal life will dog his legacy from
Chappaquiddick, to his tumultuous challenge to his own parties sitting president
in 1980, to the early 90’s Smith rape case. Liberals loved him his
enemies despised him politically but almost all marvel at his effective
passionate contribution good or bad to America. Some could say the Democratic
Party is more Ted Kennedy’s party than JFK’s or Bill Clinton’s
and that Barack Obama is a Kennedy baby a Ted Kennedy baby. Ole Teddy Kennedy
is gone but won’t soon be forgotten.
Though I rarely agreed with him, I do admire the many years of service he gave
to his country.Rest in peace Senator.
May just shift a bit if the Repubs can get his seat!