How long will this story be on the front of the web site?
Fesenko is a gamble but at a very low cost. Minimum salary guys rarely work out
and the franchise has to have 13 guys under contract by rule so Fes does his job
just by signeing on line. I don't think many people know what hard work is at
the professional level. It is insane repetition at high intensity. It is not
surprising that bug guys who general play because they can rather than because
they love it have a hard time working as hard as the staff wants them to. Fes
will end up being a bust but don't blame KOC. He is worth the gamble. I would
rather have a young talented guy like fesenko who has the chance of going
somewere than a guy like Jaron Collins who couldn't carry a college team. I
don't want to watch these mark Madsen/Jaren Collins/RUDY type guys who can shoot
a layup with out getting rejected.
San Antonio is indeed a "small market", however it is in Texas and as such has a
wide following in the state which causes TV executives not to wince tat the idea
of putting them on National TV.Even when the Jazz were making it to
the Finals, NBC would try not to show them on national TV too often.The corollary of that is that players have much bigger opportunities for
endorsements in San Antonio than in Utah, even though they're both the same size
"markets".I agree however that Utah is a beautiful state and that
the cost of living there is very low which should enter into players'
consideration (but given they all want the big Nike contract, I don't think it
enters much into their thinking.)Knowing those huge disadvantages,
the job KOC has done (and the job Coach Sloan has his staff have done with the
available players) is amazing.Just look at the never-ending mess
that is the L.A. Clippers if you want to see the difference.
I am a big Steven Jackson fan. Unfortunately, many in Salt Lake would not like
him personally due to his history which we know about it that follow.He and Nellie (the buffoon) I guess on outs. I would not Donnie as a "great
sense of reality"I have proposed for months trading with the
Warriors. They could use Boozer, it is a small one dimensional team. They
would have a pair of star forwards as small forward Anthony Randolph looks like
a playa...This I know, Jackson for the most part has "grown up", he
has a family has matured, we could use his defense, and his intensity and can
score and still relatively young.The big issue who in the post do we
have that can shut down guys going to the hoop, because Okur and Boozer do not
play well together on D unless waving at defenders is good...
With Jackson wanting a trade from the warriors- I ran a trade thriugh the espn
trade machine and it worked financially what do you guys think of this oneGSW - get Boozer & FesJazz- get Jackson & Ronnie TWe
all know Harp's is gone and this gives a a rotation in the 2/3 spot of Miles /
Jackson / Kover & Brewer with AK, Sap, KK2 Memo & Ronnie for grunt in the 4/5 -
depending on match ups PG - DWillSG - MilesSF - JacksonPF - SapC - Memo2nd UnitPG - PriceSG - BrewerSF - KorverPF - AKC - KK2 / RTMy thoughts rather than
keep Booz (not option chemisty) or losong him for nothing at seasons end - Your
by you saying "salt Lake" hard to get quality to come here, it demeans the city
you guys live in, if anything I would promote and pump up the town. I do not
see as an outsider from California, how living in San Antonio is better than
Salt lake. I would take salt Lake and its weather over them every time.. Plus
they have Real Salt Lake, and I would have been season seat holder for both
teams/That can no longer be used as a crutch...
All I know is that I trust KOC and Jerry Sloan 100%... They will make the Jazz
competitive and able to compete. What else can we ask for? Boozer or no Boozer,
dosn't matter. If Kevin can get something better - than he will.. But he won't
trade for some garbage.I am not af Boozer fan. But if he will play
for Utah next season at least he will have to put up some performance. Otherwise
he won't get a good contract next season.. So if Utah will not get anything good
for Boozer, than maybe it's not so bad to have Boozer playing for a
contract..It's actually funny to read comment about KOC isn't a good
GM.. No GM would have been able to keep Utah Jazz at this level for 15-20 years
or so... Almost always in playoffs and often in a good chance.. AND that in SALT
LAKE! We all know that it's hard to get quality to SL. And don't forget, even
after John and Karl left Utah. The team is still a playoffs team.. KOC, The
Millers, and Jerry Sloan are doing amazing things
Miles has admitted himself that he didn't understand really what the coaches
expected in the past, but now realized a bit clearer what "hard work" means. If
he excels on the defensive end, there is nothing stopping CJ from PPG avg above
10; excepting his ability, which we all believe is sick. We hope, at least.
Eric and Ronnie are an upgrade over Brevin so we are not weaker there, Miles, CJ
is getting rave reviews we will see. I saw his photo this summer he looks
bigger and stronger. At 22 maybe mind and body really maturing, I
would be happy with 22-19 on the road, because as great as home we are, you have
to allow for some losses, you cannot win 36 a year, I look at 32, 33 home
wins--55 wins, 56 about what is needed to be top 4, outside of that you do not
have much chance
may be improved if they are healthy. However, they still have the same old
weaknesses. 1. Defense and maybe a poor defensive scheme. They turn
it on for a few minutes when they want to. They will still be vulnerable to 3
point teams. 2. Road play. I do not know if it is a lack of
leadership, depth or/and intensity but the Jazz are a bad road team even when
healthy. 3. Rebounding. They have been mediocre on rebounding. 4. PG. They have had substandard back up PG play and that may have
gotten worse. 5. 3 point shooting. They are erratic at best and
mostly anemic. Better and more 3s would open up the inside a lot. 6.
They do not handle run and gun teams well. Too many loses to weak run and gun
teams.It would be nice if KOC or Sloan would at least admit there
are problems and come up with some realistic plan to fix them. Even if it took 2
years to fix them, at least signal to the fans that you realize there are
problems and are working on it.
@Todd: CJ will be a dominating player on the defensive end along with a double
digit scoring average. Oh wait, I forgot, Jerry is still the coach, scratch the
double digit scoring average. I think CJ is going to shock all the negative
Jazz Fans in the near future.
I have heard glowing reports on CJ and what he is doing to improve this off
season getting stronger. Brewer I have always liked if he worked all summmer on
that jumper the #2 spot could be a strength. I have heard reports good on
Goran. Maynor the jury we will see he shot poorly in summer league and he is
not a overly great high percentage guy to begin with....
Fall camp is going to be the difference for Fesenko now that his summer playing
competitive basketball is over. He took a gamble in order to play for his
country, and I don't think he got a fair deal there, especially as he was
playing good ball until his minutes declined and then ended. Looking forward to
seeing how 2K does with Greece in EuroBasket. There will be times, though, when
the Jazz will need Fesenko's bigger body on the floor, so getting him and Koufos
minutes in the rotation is going to be key for the Jazz.Peace out
from the Jazz Oracle!
@Steve-o....I actually agree with you. Lets look at the team coming
back.....Boozer: Hurt most of last year. Never at 100%. if injury free
will be a huge assetMemo: Fairly consistent if his body holds up.
Don't see much improvement from last year.AK: Hurt last year. Will
be a much better player this year.Williams: Hurt last year. Chip
on shoulder and will have an allstar year. Most improved player on team.Brewer: Young and will make more improvementsCJ: Last
year, first full year of playing. He could compete with Dwill as most improved
over last year.Korver: shooting wrist bad all last year. Should
improve but not sold on it.Millsap: Most consistent player last
year. Will the contract and Boozer in his way effect him?Harpring:
Only Jazz player on team that is going backwards in his career.Fes
and Koufus: Could be difference makers if they step up. They will be better
than last year.Overall outside of Harpring and Memo...Everyone else
should have a better year.This is a very dangerous team come playoff
I meant Deron had "Pain" in the ankle... not paid.
Todd...The Jazz didn't have a "healthy" roster as you say. Deron
Williams said after the season that he didn't play a single game without paid in
his injured ankle. AK & Booze had just come off surgeries so obviously they
weren't 100%. Memo didn't play in the first two playoff games, and wasn't
healthy when he did play. Matt Harpring... Nuff said! The Jazz had
injuries to key players all year that's a fact.I'm not suggesting the Jazz
had a stellar offseason. They made a total of ZERO moves and that is
discuraging. The Jazz can make some noise with this team healthy. You
also have to remember that Collins is gone, which will FORCE Jerry Sloan to play
one of his two young centers. We'll see if they sink or swim with the new
Are D-will and Landis still going head to head? Get with the beat writers.
Jazz need Defense in the paint. I thought Fes could be that man. I was wrong.
Fes is merely a boy in a big body. Who knows when he will mature, if ever. So on
to plan B, Kosta Koufos.
trade miles,trade boozer,trade williams,sign iverson,he can live with me and
mamma in the basement,i love korver,he is cute,
Jazzfan: Unfortunately I agree about the NBA comment. They had it all set up
with the commercial play via Kobe vs Lebron but it went south on them. Also the
year that Jordan posterized Russell at the end of the game to win the
championship, to me Jordan pushed off, and if Russell had the ball at the end
of the game and pushed off they would have call the foul against Russell. They
can win a championship, but without a big force under the rim it would take a
miracle. KAMAN GET HIM he isn't the best, but he would help.
The jazz have done very well over the years. I am grateful to have the team in
Utah. It is going to be a miracle if the jazz win a championship this year. LA.
is completely loaded. Pro atheletes are not going to choose Utah over LA,
Orlando, New York, Chicago etc... these places are huge money markets and that
is what the NBA is all about, Making money. Money is what makes the world go
around and if you think differently, you are just being nieve. It dosn't matter
if its college or professional sports the almighty dollar rules. every once in a
while a small market team will make some noise but dominate no way. The NBA
will not stand for it. The NBA wants LA and Boston to dominate. Perhaps another
big money market team would be ok but, The Jazz and Raptors get real.
How can anyone say this roster is good enough to compete on a high level I
question. Do not worry, I will not go into another fit on Sloan, and O Connor
but anyone thinks we could not have been more aggressive to at least fill couple
of holes is wrong. This team faded badly last season. The Miami Heat loss we
never were the same after. What makes it better now?> This is what I do not
get.,we had a healthy roster then and did not get the job done. I will root for
them no matter what though and I will not turn on them. I am anxious for
opening night vs the Nuggets win that game and my outlook might change greatly
for hope 09-10
To Sick: Sorry you feel that way, but bottom line is the management has not made
any moves to beat LA and the road to a championships is through them.Even
healthy they don,t have the length or defense to beat them. Now with Artest on
the roster they need a defensive animal under the basket and they don't have
Relegation does not equal regulation
Fes has one more year to figure out if he wants to play basketball in the NBA or
not. It's really up to him. I believe he's got the skills and size to be a
decent back-up center in the NBA for a while, but he's got to do the work! I just don't think he can mature enough. It's okay to have fun, but he's
clowning around CONSTANTLY rather than working at his game. No summer league
means he's still not committed.As far as the Jazz team overall I'm
excited! The Jazz were not healthy last year. Too many injuries to key
players. If they can stay relatively healthy this year I think they can compete
with the top teams. Also hope they mature a little on the road. They've
got to be at least a .500 road team or secure home court the whole way (which
won't happen) to have a chance.
KOC and the scouts have found some decent talent in the 2nd round (Millsap,
Collins, Miles, etc). Most second rouders don't even make it past their intial
training camp. With his size, Fes was worth the gamble. The Jazz
knew he was young and extremely raw. It was a high risk, high reward pick.
Doesn't look like it will work out, but no big deal. IMO, if you hit on one of
every 5-6 2nd rounders - and by that I mean finding a quality BACKUP - you've
done a good job.KOC is one of the top GM's in the business. SLC
isn't exactly the wet dream for pro atheletes. That the team was able to rebuild
after just ONE losing seasons speaks volumes. Compare how long it's
taken Chicago to rebuild after MJ retired. NY hasn't had a decent team since
Ewing left. You can't really compare SLC to LA or Boston, but even those teams
had lean years after Magic and Bird left. Jazz lack a championship
and that's sad. But Utah has been/is one of the premier franchises in any sport.
A big THANKS to the Millers!
What I don't get is when "fans" say things like you can't be a real fan and
_____(usually criticize, complain,etc). The only thing a real fan won't do is
stop caring. I do agree that KOC is very underrated. But hey every fans
has their own take on things. You might not agree sick but that doesn't mean
they are stupid, just have a different opinion. Sure I think they don't really
understand what a GM does and things of that nature but so what. At least they
care. Side note why do we only get like 2 articles a week maybe about the
Jazz and why can't we get a blog post more than what twice this summer? Is a
blog every 3 weeks during the offseason to much to ask? I'll do it for free if
they give me media access. Come on lazy writers!!!
@sick: Fans have the right to want to win a championship. How many banners to
we have hanging at the Delta Center? Zero. Well it is KOC's team to assemble
and Jerry's team to coach. At the end of the day that's what they get paid for.
Fans pay the bill and have every right to complain when they don't get what
they are paying for. I honestly think that if the "headcases" on the current
team would play to their potential on both ends of the court, we could win a
championship this year. Yes this year.
Relax Sick, this is just a place where all of us fans can express our opinion.
Boozer is a good player but, not as good as he thinks he is. Dwill is the real
deal. He will not fade and look for excuses. He will step up and lead by
example. Nobody is going to step up in his face and get him to start playing
soft. He will come right back at you harder than before. See Ya Carlos !
Sounds like the agent is doing damage control. Why doesn't the reporter ask
what the family obligations were? Why doesn't the reporter question the team
coaches about why Fes suddenly stopped getting minutes?
I hate to call my brothers out but, I can't stand the stupidity of Jazz fans
these days just keep it to yourself if it wasn't for KOC we would be the Memphis
Grizz everything will not always be perfect sit back and shut your mouths.
Fez does nothing but rebound and block shots he is worth the minimum he is
getting paid. He has a year to get it togetner. He was much improved last year
(based on performance metrics), he will improve more this year. He
will probably never be great but he can do what Collins couldn't. He can rebound
and dunk. He should be as good as Gortat. It took Gortat nearly a decade to
become almost a starter. If the Jazz get 8 good minutes a game out
of Fez on the second team he is worth his minimum salary. He is basically
insurance for injuries and he has potential and will still improve. He would not
be back if Sloan did not think he was worth another season.I expect
Koufos to get much better. He has many adjustments to make but he is likely to
make them. Fez? well lets just hope he finds ways to play solid defense,
rebound, and dunk. Koufos and Fez can take pressure off of Okur and Millsap
since injuries are going to happen. When Boozer is gone Okur may have to play PF
for Millsap when he is hurt.
the jazz need to put the big boy out there and see what he can do. how can he
be any worse than the non-existant interior defense that the jazz have had since
mark eaton retired. PS: Boozer you are the softest big man in the league.
everytime anyone steps up in your face you fade. Literaly fade-away jumpshots.
Grow up, step up or just leave!!!!!!!!!!!
But that doesn't mean he will amount to much for the Jazz. Ostertag was big and
he never played to his potential. Maybe Fesenko will develop into a decent
player, but how much time is it going to take for him to do that? I think
Koufus has more upside.
I'm looking forward to both of these guys getting some more playing time off the
bench. Mainly for shot-blocking purposes. Keep in mind that Boozer will be
gone next year, so Memo could be playing at the 4 next season with Koufos at the
I agree. The cumulative IQ on these boards is sub 10 most of the time.All they do is complain yet they can't come up with any plausible solution
that is actually possible...other than Fesenko for Lebron James or Ronnie Price
for Kobe Bryant!!!Fesenko is DIRT cheap for a guy that big that
athletic. Every team tries endlessly to find bigs that will pan out. Look
around the league..how many legitimate 7'0 bigs are there? Why is every team
constantly looking and drafting them? Why can't we trade for one?It
is because they are so rare and yet all these boneheads whine about us trying to
address the teams glaring weakness--BIGS that can block/rebound/defend!!!
"This year the Jazz have managed to spend their way into the luxury tax realm
without improving the team.."Oh really?So this team is a
better team without Millsap, Okur, Ronnie Price, (and essentially Boozer)?All those players would be gone if not for the fact that the Millers
spent THEIR MONEY/lux tax, not yours, to keep them here.So with all
those players we are worse? You have holes in your head.While
Boozer opted to stay, it is their money that was spent to keep him here vs.
unload Boozer away for garbage, probably to your dismay. With your
logic, you would likely have the team trade him for trash and then criticize
them for doing that too.You can never please grumpy complainers like
yourself. Nothing is ever good enough.
We essentially have the same team that was WIDELY picked at the beginning of
last season to contend for the W. Conference Championship. The ONLY
reason they did not is that the Jazz were DECIMATED with injuries all last year.
Despite that, with 2 weeks left in the season, we still had a shot at the #2
seed in the W .Conference. Testament/evidence speaking to the depth of this
team that KOC, who you berate, has built over time.This offseason,
some teams may have improved their starting lineups but many have decimated the
quality of their backup positions in anticipation of luxury tax woes.Take a quick run through of the backup PF's in the W.Conference/all top NBA
teams for that matter.The Jazz on the other hand may not have the
best front line (not big enough) but certainly are one of the deepest teams in
the league.If Booz sticks it out this season, and he may have to,
naysayers like yourself will once again eat crow when the Jazz finish far better
than you expect.Negative nellies like yourself though always stand
around and complain. That takes lots of talent.
R-E-G-U-L-A-T-I-O-NThis is the second time I've seen this (I think
by different writers) misspelled.When I see this stuff displayed by
one who gets paid to use the written word correctly .... I confess to being
distracted from the essence of the story.Just 2 cents worth of
I'm looking forward to Fesenko's future with great excitement...as long as it's
with somebody other than the Jazz!
Ah, how can I forget going to a Utah Flash game, which I love, only to see Fes,
out in the parking lot, smoking like a chimney, arguing with some girl. As I
walked into the arena and watched he teammates playing, and wondered, why is he
getting paid to be in street clothes out in the parking lot smoking and arguing.
Crap, hire me, at least I would sit on the bench and cheer on my team.
The brilliance of the previous comments almost had me speechless. Do you not
realize Fes is playing for the nba minimum? I love the comments that rip on KOC
for keeping a 7'1 22 yr old on the team as the 13th player on the team, playing
for the min. I guess you all expected someone different at that spot and thats
got you all upset.
So Fes and Koufus should share time in the middle? That would mean that Memo
would move to the 4 in your scenario. So why did we re-sign Millsap? I still like the starting lineup of Memo,AK,CJ,Brewer and Williams. I think
we could have won just as many games without Millsap or Boozer if we had picked
up one more good scrub. Now the question is there enough minutes to
go around for everyone?The problem with AK is he will never play the
4 with the Jazz. So he will be an overpaid player due to his given role with
the Jazz as a 3. He would be better in the post than on the wing. Has Jerry
ever considered a high/low offense with AK in the post and Boozer at the top and
Memo shooting 3's? Or a double post offense with AK and Boozer? Jerry learn to
adjust to your personel.
Wow finally! The sports writers decided to write something after "Utah Jazz:
D-Will, Floyd Landis go head-to-head"
is an underated GM. Look how many years the Jazz have been an elite team. Yes
they need to get over the top but I have not seen Kobe, Lebron, or Shaq dying to
come to Utah in their prime yet the team is successful. I look for a 60 win
season given the same healthy roster that went to the conference finals. KOC
needs to use the bench more, but there are reports of Miles getting in shape,
Kirilinko packing on 15-20 pounds, and Boozer wants a contract. This team will
be dynamite. Look for a breakout year for the Jazz and All Star performances
from Williams, Kirilinko, and Boozer. You heard it here first.
He is a 2nd round pick that will cost the Jazz a couple of million dollars -
Every team gambles on those players - and almost all of them fails. Every once
in a while you get a players who helps you win (Ben Wallace). It was
definitely worth the gamble.
Fes isn't the answer to what we need, but at least its news. this team has not
gotten better, maybe worst as far as long term goes. Its disappointing to watch
great teams get better, and the Jazz spent more money on a team that would never
win a championship in the beginning. They probably will make the playoffs , but
won't get past the 2nd round.Make a move Kevin O.
as the Jazz gave CJ to grow up. There are hints CJ may be taking himself and
the off-season things more maturely this year - and it took him 4 years to get
there. I think it's easy for us fans to forget these guys are not very young.
Promise and "potential" really don't play so well in the NBA. You need
high-level talent with an attitude to win. The Jazz don't have enough of either
to make it over the hump. Too bad. D-Will is a serious talent but needs some
An Ostertag clone who might be able to score a bit more than Greg . . . but is
he even lazier?
He's plays on a national team, thats news to me, he sucks.
Jazz fans should be excited about the future with Fes???? What future this cat
has already shown his stripes and is in his 3rd and last season with the Jazz.
This whole article is agent spin trying to cover up for another disapointment
from his client who has about played himself out of a carreer. I
hope he's saved every penny as I doubt he has the skills to make much money
doing anything besides being seven feet tall.
Playing time along with Memo? Would you really want Fess in while Boozer and
Millsap sit on the bench? Sorry, but that is ridiculous. Millsap and Boozer
are prime talent, Fesenko is just a really big blob.If the Jazz keep
Boozer, I doubt Fesenko gets many minutes this year.
We pay millions so that KOC can progress these players through what should
be high school and college levels playing, all the while paying them an NBA
salary. They will not be able to play competitively against the NBA elite such
as San Antonio, Denver and LA for years to come yet we hold on to them looking
for a miracle.The miracle in Utah was the seagulls and crickets.
KOC you may have Greg Miller and your wife snowed that you are the
great GM but your record shows us otherwise. This year the Jazz
have managed to spend their way into the luxury tax realm without improving the
team, where can I get a manager like that?
Fes was either 1 or 2 in blocks per minute played last year. We haven't had that
kind of inside presence since Eaton. And Eaton wasn't a scorer, either, but did
clog up the middle.No, AK wasn't the other top blocker per minute
played. The rookie center was (Koufos).The Jazz just need these two
centers to get some experience---a two-headed shot-blocking "monster" to spell,
and maybe even sometimes play along side, Memo.
He makes Ostertag look like Wilt Chamberlain...Why do the Jazz continue to draft
losers Kirilenko and headcases, Fesenko...Remember if KO on the end of their
name...KO the choice.
Rooting for the big feller to have a breakout season in the land of the free
where at least some of us appreciate him. No dig on UKR as a nation or a people,
but he needed to play more over there. Eyes will be on him this fall, but he'll
come through.Peace out from the Jazz Oracle.