Published: Wednesday, Aug. 12 2009 12:09 a.m. MDT
It seems like we fought a Civil War over a state's ability to nullify federal
law. What's your next suggestion when Washington commands adherence to national
What position will the D-news take next? Perhaps you will advocate Utah opt out
of medicare. How about opting out of social security? You're ridiculus.
If only I could opt out of S.S. and Medicare! I could have invested my money and
retired a wealthy man instead of having the government confiscate it without my
permission, pay me 0% interest and when I retire, I may get back some of it but
at highly inflated dollars what will purchase some small fraction of what it
would have when the goverment took it! Yes, if only I could opt out! What a
farce for anyone to think the S.S. is a good deal! Only an idiot who can't use a
calculator would think it is a good deal for them. You know, sort of like people
who think Obama's health care plan is a good deal!
Too bad that the Utah version is to lame and weak, catering to the health care
industry. There are no mandates that require coverage for expensive preexisting
conditions. There is no mandates for mental health parity, although this will be
included at the federal level for 2010. What about any mechanisms to control
cost and overhead for these grave robbers? This is nothing more than a state
giveaway to insurance and pharmaceutic at the expense of the people. Modeled
after Massachusetts, which is running in the hole at this time costing the
taxpayers of the state to cough up the difference. Businesses will be allowed to
tailor their coverage without mandates, if they don't want to cover mental
health at the same level as medical care, they can opt out of coverage, period.
This is not reform for the people, just a ploy to say that all people have
coverage, even though the coverage is worthless for catastrophic care.
Whether or not it goes anywhere, it may be an effective tactic in letting D.C.
know that Obamacare is not acceptable in Utah and Arizona, and could well be
adopted, in whatever forms, by other states looking out for their people.
Just a thought.I wonder if Rep Wimmer would have the same ideas if
the State of Utah did not pay for his insurance for himself and his family for
his part time service in the legislature.Can any of you who read
this tell me about a similiar part time job with similiar health benefits at the
same costs? Or is it the case of our legislators taking care of
themselves and their families before the public?
I am a child of God, husband to my wife, father to my children. I am an
American because I believe in the American principals of human society.
Somewhere much further down the list, I am a Utahn, but only because I live
here. Only a fool would not want Health Insurance in this day and
age. However exceptions might by someone so poor that health was not a primary
concern, like the homeless who live on the street and the very rich who can
easily pay cash for the measly expenses of health care.If the
American government was to offer a health care plan, available to all, and the
state of Utah prohibited a person from joining the national plan, I would
probably choose to opt out of Utah. Utah is a state where the individual is
subordinated to business interests, and business interests just don’t have
health care for people as an important concern.While conservatives
often tout individual freedom and liberty, they are often the most likely to
suppress liberty and freedom for the individual for the favor of business
Being able to opt out is important. There is a balancing act between Federal and
State control and when one goes to the extreme the other should respond.States have the ability to opt out of all kinds of Federal programs that
have the force of law behind them. This should be one of them.Socialized medicine is not going to work.
Slippery slope! And being one of those uninsured, it really angers me that the
state of Utah thinks that it can tell me what I can and cannot do in my own
life. If I choose to get participate in this new program from Washington, how
dare anyone including the state of Utah tell me that I can't participate if I
want to. Hypocrites!
You're exactly right that Utah is "often the most likely to suppress liberty and
freedom for the individual for the favor of business profits." One way Utah
suppresses individual liberty in favor of business profits is by imposing a
measly 5% tax on corporate profits. We could have more individual liberty if we
taxed corporations at 50%!
"And besides, all but three members of the House and two of the Senate have no
idea what Utahns want or need."Pray tell, what makes Utahns so
special that a senator from New York or a representative from California can't
understand their health care needs? Do we get special diseases? Do we want to
pay more for our health care instead of less?Could the real reason
for this ridiculous amendment be that the federal system will likely provide
coverage for abortion and other reproductive health services, and that
conservative Utahns want these services to be as unavailable as possible?
why not just drop out of the union? Americansalready believe Mormons are
not really Christians.Why not show them they are right and we do notbelieve in sharing? Republicanism is givingMormons a bad image.
Utahs' legislators are like utahs' church. We need protection from them, not by
them. One of the cornerstones of a proper health care system should be
portability. Coverage no matter where I roam. The people who want to deny us
this, our utah legislators, have publicly funded health care and are on the
payroll of pharmaceutical companies...do you suppose they have our best
interests in mind
This is insane. Utah thinks it is so special, so different, that it can ignore
the needs of the poor and the uninsured. If you want to opt out of being part
of America, start with all the federal money you love to accept. No more money
for research grants at Utah schools, no more money to support light rail, no
more money for I-15 reconstruction. No more money for Hill AFB. No more money
for immigration enforcement efforts. No more money for national parks or
forests. No more money for air traffic control and enhancing SL International.
No more money for Medicaire. Will the Utah system be able to match the federal
system? You are a bunch of hypocrites. This is appalling stuff.
Ultra knows what we want! All liberals know better.(Psst, remember
what the good book says about calling another a 'fool.')
DNews, do you _really_ think that while national political leaders are under
pressure from special interests that our state legislators are not?The facts are plain: The US ranks 37th in the world in terms of the overall
health of its citizens, yet no nation on earth comes even close to the
per-person dollars we spend on health care. Why? Because we stupidly rely on
private health insurance corporations for our health care.The plan
now being discussed in Washington is in reality an exceptionally mild dose of
badly-needed reform and deserves rapid approval.
Many of the posters have misunderstood Wimmers proposal. It is simply to
preserve free choice for Utahns to choose whether or not they want to buy into a
federal plan. Whats wrong with preserving choice? It is much
better than having a health system rammed down our throats that may make us
What if Utah has a better plan than the feds? Why would anyone want to be
prohibited from purchasing a better product for less money provided by the State
rather than the feds? I don't travel out of state for my health
care, and keeping it at the State level makes a lot of sense. I can see where
it would be more responsive to unique needs, and how it could be less expensive
that a bloated federal program where the nearest appeals location would be 3
states away. A federal program would be insulated from complaints
about benefit denials. The State of Utah is much more fiscally solvent than the
feds meaning our own health care would be better funded and less likely to go
broke like medicare. The more I think about it, the better a State
As "RH" alluded to, Utah is not unique in wanting to leave Obamacare on the
table. Some of the posters here on DNews would have you believe that Utah is
alone in this effort. Even IF the movement doesn't gain steam, it at least will
show D.C. that the STATES DO MATTER!I don't believe the "protests" that
are happening at town hall meetings are "staged", I believe the populace is
expressing their displeasure. Part of the reason they might be so upset is that
the mainstream media have been so pro-Obama that folks don't think they're being
"Pushing back against feds?"Where was this guy 8 and 4 years ago?
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