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  • MiP
    Sept. 19, 2009 8:31 a.m.

    I think you have to rate them season to season, just like you would the 6 BCS conferences. So far this year, the MWC is superior to the WAC. MWC (Utah) 2 vs WAC 0 (SJSU, USU).

    However, three games today will help decide which is better:
    CSU vs Nevada
    UNLV vs Hawaii
    SDSU vs Idaho.

    Certainly if the MWC teams win all three, I think one could surmise the MWC is superior this year. But you never know, they haven't played the games yet.

    Other notable MWC vs WAC match-ups for 2009:
    BYU vs USU
    CSU vs Idaho
    UNLV vs Nevada
    New Mexico vs NMSU
    SDSU vs NMSU

    Now how do these conferences rate with the other non-BCS conferences? Will, so far I believe the MWC is the best of the non-BCSers, with the WAC and conference USA being tied for NEXT followed by MAC and then the Sun Belt (not including the independents).

    At this point the MWC would be battling the ACC and Big East for 4th best overall conference.




  • dartstock
    Sept. 18, 2009 12:19 p.m.

    Observe the number of comments! There must be competition between the two. To both conferences ... "Wishing you the best again this season".

  • Mountain West fan
    Aug. 1, 2009 11:40 p.m.

    The Mountain West is thee conference right now over the WAC the only team that has success is Boise State and the Mountain West has three!

  • Anonymous
    July 31, 2009 9:13 a.m.

    All this talk about history & tradition of the WAC vs that of the MWC is ridiculous. They are one and the same through 1998. All--or at least most--of the past WAC 'glory' that Benson is claiming was achieved by founding WAC teams that left to establish the MWC in '99. They didn't abandon their history when they abandoned the conference, in spite of the fact that national media may not have caught on to the change yet.

  • AggieFan74
    July 31, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    It's going to take a lot of time for the WAC to get past the stigma of being "cast aside" by the "so called" big time programs at Utah, BYU, Air Force, etc. If it wasn't for Boise State the WAC would be in trouble regarding national recognition as a viable Division I conference. Let's hope BSU stays in the WAC and the other top tier WAC schools have some credible nonconference wins with other big time football programs.

  • Hmm nailed it.
    July 30, 2009 11:35 p.m.

    Reading comprehension anyone? This was poorly written piece by Eborn he's stirring the pot with misleading writing (although he knows his audience). He did not get any facts wrong but going from Benson's comments right into opinion talk about "prestige" really clouds the issue.

    Jared must have known what the outcome would be however (with the apparent non-existent reading comprehension skills of the readers posting here). Outrage and page views, well played Mr. Eborn.

    Hmm nailed it. NAME recognition, NOT play on the field or BCS bowl wins or color of turf. NAME recognition. Funny how Utahns play the little man syndrome at every turn. Good grief, I guess football season can't get here soon enough.

  • Hmm
    July 30, 2009 10:13 p.m.

    You all need to read the article again. Benson wants to 'reclaim' the bragging rights, meaning he admits that the MWC is better right now. He was arguing that the NAME of the WAC, and the tradition of the WAC is more recognizable than the NAME MWC and the tradition of the MWC. It's simple. The WAC's been around longer, so it has a longer tradition and more recognizable name, regardless of which school was the best and where they are now. However, having to reclaim the bragging rights means that the MWC is currently better than the WAC. He just spun what you all are saying to sound more positive for the WAC.

  • re: Rose Bowl
    July 30, 2009 8:32 p.m.

    The SI article said it begins with the "2010 season", which I believe means 2011 Rose Bowl. So Jake will have four years to get us there...

  • MWC > WAC
    July 30, 2009 5:02 p.m.

    MWC > WAC 2-0 Head to head bowl record last year
    MWC > WAC Teams finishing in top 25, 3 vs 1
    MWC < WAC Teams getting waxed in a BCS bowl game 1
    MWC < WAC teams rated below 115, 3 in D1
    MWC < WAC ugly blue turf

  • MWC shadow...?
    July 30, 2009 3:32 p.m.

    Spoken like some true BYU homers!! You guys read way too many of Harmons articles and listen too closely to Bronco's "spiritual voice".
    I'll say it again!!! The mountain west has proven nothing other than in can be dominated by Utah. It's a mid major conference! Hello? There is a lot of parity in college football- have you not whitnessed how BSU and Utah have proven that over the last few years?
    Check your egos at the door BYU fans! Those of you who think the MWC is far superior to the WAC need a reality check! IT IS A MID MAJOR CONFERENCE!!!

  • Aggie Fan
    July 30, 2009 3:31 p.m.

    I have a very good friend who went to the Sugar bowl, he was telling me about a tee shirt he saw that said the SEC's Alabama vs WAC's Utah. the tee was recalled but not before some got sold, the point is just as Benson said outside of the Rocky's, well noboby cares the WAC the MWC it's all the same.

  • Will
    July 30, 2009 2:42 p.m.

    What do you expect Benson to say? Any college football fan with half a brain knows the difference between the MWC and the WAC. The WAC is a shadow of what it used to be when Utah, BYU, Colorado State et al were conference members.

  • Anonymous
    July 30, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    Give Benson a break. What would you say in your state of the conference address during media days?
    -As usual, last year we only had 1 team in the conference that was ranked?
    -We were 1-4 in bowl games?
    -As usual, we were abysmal last year in our OOC BCS record?
    -Our best team lost to the 2nd best team in the MWC in its bowl game?

    The guy is doing the best with what he has to work with.

    In the meantime, UNLV and SDSU need to step it up against UNR and SJSU and BYU and Utah need to cream BSU the next few years to silence the critics.

  • Maybe....
    July 30, 2009 2:05 p.m.

    How about this idea to help with the recognition out west. Both conferences are done with their league play by Thanksgiving Weekend. Maybe the WAC and MWC should combine into one conference with two divisions and the winners play each other the same weekend as the ACC/SEC/BIG 12 in a true conference championship game. It would make basketball stronger...all sports would benefit.

  • Big East : )
    July 30, 2009 1:09 p.m.

    The Mountain West may not be on par with the SEC, the big 12, but last year they where better than the big least I mean east and the ACC. The head to head showing against the PAC + 1 spoke for itself. And to say that most fans across the nation disrespected the MWC is not ture if you go to any of the ESPN or CBS sports line blogs the MWC was getting a lot of respect. Many fans of the BCS conferences even recognized that the MWC was just as strong or stronger that the Big least ACC and PAC minus USC. The MWC was rated last year as the 5th best conference.

  • brownjeans
    July 30, 2009 11:42 a.m.

    Why's this idea crazy? The WAC does have more name recognition than the MWC. Outside of the West, most people think half the MWC teams are still playing in the WAC. "BYU, oh that WAC team?"

  • Tyler
    July 30, 2009 11:05 a.m.

    The MWC wont kill the WAC off cause they need someone to play in the New Mexico and Boise Truck Stop bowl.

  • Ramone
    July 30, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    Please Benson, for heck sakes, never, ever, ever, include Hawaii as a BCS buster. Their strength of schedule was dead last in Div. I football and had absolutley no business at all being in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl. They were an utter discrace to college football and set the non-Aq. back five years.

  • What a hoot!
    July 30, 2009 10:44 a.m.

    I have a lot of friends who went to BCS schools, and they roll their eyes in derision every time they hear anyone from the MWC talk about being on par with the BCS Conferences. I smile, because I have seen the same look and the same condescention in the eyes of some (not all) MWC fans. Those currently in power really don't see any difference between the WAC and the MWC except, perhaps, that the MWC whines a bit more. That doesn't mean there isn't a difference between the MWC and the WAC, but the national perspective is that there isn't a difference. Sorry, my MWC friends, you're also the puny little sibling desperate for attention, at least in the minds of most sports fans nationwide.

  • Say What?
    July 30, 2009 10:44 a.m.

    This article is WAC!

  • bless karl...
    July 30, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    I love how the WAC always brings up the fact that they have had two teams go to BCS bowls and that Utah is the only MWC team to crash the BCS party. The WAC commish continually fails to mention the fact that Boise BARELY beat Oklahoma and that Hawaii got crushed by Georgia. The MWC has sent Utah to the BCS TWICE and in both games the Utes crushed their BCS opponent! I am a BYU Cougar fan, and though the Cougs haven't been to the BCS, yet, at least I can recognize what the Utes have accomplished! The Mountain West is, hands down, much better than the crazy WAC!

  • wac=lost tradition
    July 30, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    sorry, when BYU, Utah, CSU pulled out of the wac it became a terrible conference. Granted Fresno has pulled it's weight in various sports, and Boise in ONE sport, but they play awful teams and occasionally beat teams that are mediocre-good.

    Sorry commish, but you running your mouth again in MWC territory doesn't do you any good, other than you are setting the mwc up for another BCS RUN, 3 Top 25 teams and another domination of your conference

  • 88USUAggie
    July 30, 2009 10:12 a.m.

    It's very simple...the WAC and MWC...and the other mid-majors are regional conferences.

    When you are walking around Chicago, New York, Miami, Atlanta, LA...etc; you see the hats and jerseys of about 12 universities (unless someone from Price is vacationing in NYC and wearing a U/Y/USU/BSU/etc hat...and asking to get mugged). We care, no one else does.

    And, it's ok.

    Get over it.

  • Phoenix UTE
    July 30, 2009 9:45 a.m.

    If you took BSU and Fresno from the conference the wac would be the big sky. What has happen to fresno they use to be tough but nothing lately.

  • Go CUSA
    July 30, 2009 9:34 a.m.

    All this talk about the WAC and MWC leaves you to wonder what would have happened if East Carolina had stayed the course last year, and been the team to crash the BC$ party. They almost did.
    Other teams such as Houston, or Tulsa could also be a party crasher this year. Memphis in basketball is on a whole other plane from hack teams in the WAC and MWC. The point being that it should not be an issue of which conference is better, but do all the "mid-major" conferences deserve more respect? I am beginning to think that The MWC particularly aren't any better than the pious conferences I have come to loathe.

  • Re: MarkS
    July 30, 2009 9:00 a.m.

    Actually, I believe it was reported that the Rose Bowl agreement takes place in 2010- which would be next season's bowl game, as it is a New Years Day or later game.

  • Ute in Philadelphia
    July 30, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    You really gotta feel sorry for Karl. He's been thrust into an unenviable position of having to glom on to the misperceptions of unsavvy sportswriters to sieze any acclaim for his conference. The WAC's notoriety has become nothing more than a case of mistaken identity. Pathetic.

    Still...go Aggies!

    GO UTES!!!

  • An average WAC fan
    July 30, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    Even the average WAC fan will admit Benson's comments are off the mark. The MWC is more reconizable.

  • 1984 Joke
    July 30, 2009 8:45 a.m.

    In the 1980s, with teams like UTEP, New Mexico, and Colorado St, how in the world can anyone make the claim that the WAC is even in the same ballpark as the current MWC?

    San Diego St, Wyoming, and Hawai'i were ok but very inconsistent year-to-year.

    In the 1980s, the WAC had ONE very good, consistent team: BYU. That's it!

    Overall, the WAC of the '80s was a COMPLETE JOKE OF A CONFERENCE. With all due respect to BYU, going undefeated [and just barely no less] in the WAC isn't that great of an accomplishment.

  • Jeff
    July 30, 2009 8:44 a.m.

    The thing I find funny is the WAC poster boy (Boise State) has made it know that they would jump to the MWC in a second if they got the chance. That tells you all you need to know. Benson can try and spin it any way he wants but A=A.

  • jefe57
    July 30, 2009 8:22 a.m.

    Old Sour Grapes Benson is at it again. He's still fuming that the current MWC teams didn't like his WAC monstrosity creation of the 90's. Personally, I really enjoyed watching BYU play at SMU in front of 100 fans.

  • Knowwhat
    July 30, 2009 8:12 a.m.

    I think Hawaii showed that their appearance in a BCS bowl was a unjustified fantasy. The WAC is a one trick pony, with that pony just waiting to run out of the barn to greener pastures. I gaurantee you that Idaho, New Mexico State and Utah State could not even win the Big Sky, they would be middle of the pack.

  • Joke
    July 30, 2009 7:42 a.m.

    With teams like Louisiana Tech, San Jose State, New Mexico State, Utah State, and Idaho, how in the world can you make the claim that the WAC is even in the same ballpark as the MWC?

    Fresno State, Nevada, and Hawaii are ok but very inconsistent year-to-year.

    The WAC has ONE very good, consistent team: Boise State. That's it!

    Overall, the WAC is a COMPLETE JOKE OF A CONFERENCE. With all due respect to Boise, going undefeated in the WAC isn't that great of an accomplishment.

  • Anonymous
    July 30, 2009 7:37 a.m.

    The WAC is a one team league at best; that is if you could combine BSU football and USU basketball. The rest of the conference blows. For some reason Fresno State gets a lot of media love each season; yet you can take it to the bank that they will implode at some point during the season. Hawaii of 2007 was a complete fraud and pretty much embarrassed each and every school from the non BC$ world.

  • BYU is not in the WAC?
    July 30, 2009 7:35 a.m.

    Up until just this year the "experts" still thought BYU and Utah were in the WAC.

    I hear it ALL the time from callers on national sports radio programs and on TV.

    And the funny thing is that nobody EVER corrects them; so the myth continues.

    I think the REAL college football fans are finally catching on after the past few seasons. But the experts still need to figure it out.

  • John
    July 30, 2009 7:15 a.m.

    Thsi is a classic case of "selective perception." Make no mistake about it, Boise state has done alot with what they have had to work with. In that respect, they remind me of B.Y.U. back a few years.
    However, no one who is informed would make some of the statements that Karl Benson did unless he was comissioner of the WAC. He is blowing smoke big time. If Boise State were given a chance to join the MWC, they would do so in a minute. It would gut the Wac and Benson would likely still be making irrational statements. Gary Anderson takes the best position in saying that both conferences ought to have mutual respect.

  • The MWC & the WAC are
    July 30, 2009 7:01 a.m.

    irrelevant in the overall scheme of things. This is all regional talk. Get into the real world Benson. All you are doing is stoking the locals. Besides, newspapers around the country are going down the tubes. Most people are thinking about the the country and the economy, not all the convoluted baloney that sports reporters/editors are spewing out about off the field antics of players/coaches/commissioners, etc. What most people who are plugged into sports want is the game and coverage on the games, not all this intrigue about nongame socalled news. Please report on game news, and real things rather than all this flap, most of it conjecture and made up junk.

  • MarkS
    July 30, 2009 6:36 a.m.

    Just wish the reporter had been awake during the interview. Then he could have noted that even though they had five bowl reps last year, they went 1-4. Or he could have corrected the false statement about this year's BCS buster having a chance at the Rose Bowl--that window doesn't open till next year.

  • Benson's History Teacher
    July 30, 2009 4:58 a.m.

    Karl, you stated the following: "There isn't a week goes by that someone doesn't ask me or make reference to a Mountain West team thinking they're in the WAC." It isn't very difficult to figure out why you hear comments like that and it is not because the WAC has a better reputation than the MWC. People make comments confusing MWC and WAC teams because from 1978 until 1998 BYU put the WAC on the map during Lavell's unprecedented success, bowl appearances, and a national championship. The WAC was synonymous in many people's minds with BYU, so when BYU, UT, AFA, WY, CSU, SDSU, and NM left the WAC and formed the MWC, most people, especially in the east, never grasped the distinctions between the two conferences, but they continued to take note of BYU, and with TCU's and Utah's rises the differences between the conferences became more apparent. Now Boise is the WAC, whereas there is a triumverate of recognized national powers sitting atop the MWC every year. There would be no history or reputation of the WAC without BYU's storied past in that conference.

  • AZ Dave
    July 30, 2009 4:26 a.m.

    They both are unknown

  • Wyoming and UNLV
    July 30, 2009 3:24 a.m.

    will never leave the MWC for the simple reason they both play a vital role being the whipping boys each year.

    Personally, I'd be on the lookout with Wyoming, with Christensen at the helm, and the talent he has brought in, as well as having some Polynesian connections.....Wyomings spread offense (which they should have never given up. See the Joe Tiller years)is going to give MWC teams troubles in the years ahead. Not so certain that Wyoming will be dead last come the end of the year.

  • ute alum
    July 29, 2009 10:37 p.m.

    boise state & fresno state should join the mountain west.....the wac should then take wyoming and unlv

  • The WAC
    July 29, 2009 10:19 p.m.

    Was a great conference in the early days. I often wonder where it would be today had the WAC avoided adding the all those other teams back in the days of expansion.

    Had that not taken place the WAC would be a major power house these days. Greed kicked in!!