That $500 was money you were paying to Jordan District last year since Canyons
District wasn't in existence then. You should be very glad you voted for the new
district and are no longer a part of Jordan District since - 'holy cow' - it is
hiking property taxes this year by 40 PERCENT!
Holy cow ... my property value is down $20K yet my taxes are up more than $500,
all of it attributable to the new Canyons District? Why did I vote
for this district? I'm not sure ... I don't even have kids in the schools. Please help me understand. If this was only to hire a school
administration on the east side, what a misuse of taxpayer money and detriment
Explain to me again how their PR person is earning 100K per year without a
degree in education?Just another example of how teachers keep on
I agree with you about year round, except for 1 detail. We teachers do not get
paid more for year round. Contract pay is the same. However, in switching to
traditional, the pay check starts in September, as opposed to the year round
start check of August, so teachers go without a month of pay. Pretty stupid to
not be able to adjust that when you retire instead of the middle of a year,
huh?! Year round students do have less forgetting time. We spend less time
reviewing at the beginning of the year.
If Canyons District does end year-round school classes, then it will be the
children that suffer. Year-round classes results in better education of kids
for two reasons: 1) because fewer school buildings and class rooms are needed,
that allows the teachers to get paid more, which results in better teachers
being hired. 2) Kids have shorter breaks so less time to forget what they have
learned -- thus less time reteaching already taught concerpts -- thus providing
more time to teach new concepts.
This tax increase would not be necessary if it were not for the WHINING of
Jordan School District Administrators--who by the way are asking for a
phenomenal 30-40% increase of their taxpayers, and accepting the millions from
all Salt Lake County districts. Trim the leaches out of the top of Jordan
School District. I can recall many times when State Funds earmarked for
classrooms never made it down to the teachers in Jordan District, and a few
times recently when they actually did. Jordan district will bleed taxpayers for
a long time to come.
Why am I not surprised.
This sounds like it is going to get worse before it gets better for the tax
payers in the new district. They screwed us again - when will we
1.) What's wrong with a new district? We have Jordan, Murray, Salt Lake,
Granite, Alpine...2) Change is never easy; especially if you didn't want
it... get use to it; give it time3)Canyons, in my opinion, is trying too
hard at the very beginning to be the topnotch #1 district... slow down; it takes
time to develop and grow. (It has been said that new businesses need at least
five years to start showing profit) 4)hiring way too many people and using
too much money at the beginning; slow down; give some of the first people you
hired more responsibility and give them help as they need it... leaders or
"experts" can do more than just carry a name... you're a pioneer of sorts, so,
let people work and get their hands dirty and earn their money; give increases
to those who really work hard making the Canyons successful (less talk;more
action)5)do as new principals to a school do; sit back and observe first,
then see where your money would be best spent6)listen to those who know
best; your patrons and teachers7)avoid overload
I love the Utah legislature. Suburbia and exurbia pride!
I've lived in S.L. county for over 60 yrs. and this issue is so reminiscent of
the way, over the years, that the individual cities have broken away from S.L.
county government to form their own governments.The voters always
get promised all kinds of things including lower taxes by the vested interests
pushing the issue, then as soon as the "new" city becomes a reality the "kingdom
building" begins and that means, inevitably, HIGHER taxes to fund their
"kingdoms". Its called "economies of scale", - anytime you have
more government (even schools) it will cost you more!If you think
your taxes are high now, wait for the "kingdom building" to begin, especially in
the "new" Canyons District!
Clearly the citizens who voted for the creation of this new school district were
DELUSIONAL when they swallowed the "bilge" of NO TAXES!Now they are
TRAPPED into forking over more money to feed a system which has proven to NEVER
HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. This SHAKEDOWN is just the first of many.ENJOY!
Blaming Jordan once again? The Canyons approved their budget over a month ago
and had plenty of money then. Why now, 2 weeks before their hearing do they cry
poverty? The Canyons is one of the few districts that said they had a surplus.
Why not use that? Why not cut people? Why not cut the school board salaries?
Why not cut salaries of the top-level people?
Clean up what boundaries? They haven't done anything with "splintered"
boundaries yet. Be careful what you ask for. I anticipate it will be an even
bigger mess than this tax increase they DON'T NEED!
I can't believe it--A complete article about controversy in education and almost
40 comments and not a single mention of the evil NEA/UEA? Wake up people!!!
This MUST have something to do with them. Everything wrong with education
does.BTW: What does PCE (the current self-appointed educational
expert organization) think about this mess? I'm sure if we had voted for
vouchers or funded more Charters this wouldn't be happening.
You asked for it now you get it! More taxes to pay for more
administrators more taxes to pay for understated costs...and oh by
the way, your teachers are going to be leaving the new district when you start
cutting their benefits.
I think The Canyons District is doing a great job! I am enjoying seeing them do
away with the year-round schools and the ridiculously splintered boundaries that
have existed for a long, long time (which the Jordan School District never
cleaned up). Thank goodness for the split to clean up that mess!! The South
end of the Canyons District clearly needs another school or two as well due to
Draper filling out over the last decade and one of the two districts would have
had to eventually pay for it. I am more than happy to chip in some money for
another school or two and to not have year round school.
I'm an east side resident who voted against the district split for this very
reason. Mayor Cullimore and Mayor Dolan and the good Senator Walker, who spoken
like the 10 watt bulbs in the arcade they are, told us there wouldn't be tax
increases. Now everyone will have to pay more taxes not just east side folks.
See why you can't trust politicians?
Enough already -- how much longer until the names Canyons and Jordan are not in
the same sentence. The Canyons still has a ton of work to do between now and
next month. Get on with it. My kids are depending on it.
Most of us working in the Jordan School District have known all along since the
talk of a split, that Canyons District would have to raise taxes. Canyons
District since deciding to split have told people on the East Side that there
would be no raising of taxes. Cottonwood Heights mayor as well as others weren't
telling the full truth. Also, as far as a large School District such as Jordan
was, the students were getting a well rounded education. Where someone came up
with the idea that because Jordan was so large, the students weren't getting
their education. Jordan School District is one of the best educated districts in
this country.All the millions of dollars that has been spent to produce
this split, none has gone to the students. Greed,power and pride is in the minds
of our so call Civic Leaders.
Canyons School District apparently is happy to pay at least two people in excess
of $185,000 a year to manage the media. Perhaps those two employees should work
on bridging the "grand canyon" of ignorance that you describe.
In response to LOL. You are correct about the media. But evidently the people
running the circus school district are not being honest either.So,
where is anyone to find the truth? Again, not going to happen with Lawyers and
Politicians running a school district.
Maybe they could make some of the cuts initiated in Jordan, like reducing
professional development days, to come up with the 4 million. In Jordan, they
had to raise taxes AND make serious cuts. The Canyons seems content to increase
taxes so they can avoid any cutting at all in these tight times.
The most amusing thing about this story is the "grand canyon" of ignorance by
bloggers who understand next to nothing about certified tax rates, truth in
taxation requirements, or running a school district. Those who rely solely on
the media for their education don't get much.
I for one would like to see where the $4 million is really going. Why not start
by cutting administrative salaries? Better yet, why not have the school board
forfeit its $12,000/year salaries and the free insurance the district pays for.
I'd feel better about a tax increase if I knew the Canyons was actually CUTTING
somewhere. I worry this is a preview of more tax increases to come.
Another interesting piece of information. Everyone should check the enrollment
of the Canyons and see where people are coming from. Most new
enrollments are people who had their children in private or charter schools. Uh oh...there goes the smaller class sizes and oh by the way there are more
students than thought.Though i am not pleased they will raise my
taxes on the west side i know i will get my money's worth with all of my
wonderful brand new schools :)
Man, how I yearn for the days when my current taxes were enough to cover growth
on the southwest end of the valley. Compared to my neighbors in Jordan School
District, I only have to come up with another $50 - not $300, so I guess I
should be happy. Fellow east-siders, just wait 'til the bond comes up for
construction and renovations to schools on our side of the valley. You are
aware that we assumed sixty percent of the bonded indebtedness from the old
school district (a number in the strong 9 figure category) and still don't have
a dime to retrofit or renovate our own schools? Fifty dollars is the tip of the
iceberg. Whatever happened to the halcyon days of "we can do better by our
children without raising taxes?"
List the politicians that voted for ALL other school districts to pay for all
the NEW West Side schools to be built so we can vote them out of office! If you
want to live in a fast growing area, you can pay for your fast growing NEW
Schools! You don't see the East side getting any new schools or even needed
updating with our money, and plenty of schools could use it!
Should have known my original post with KSL would not have been posted because i
posted a factual post.....Anyway.....glad the tax is increased.
People should realize the Canyons should be called the Grand Canyon since the
new district will be exactly this for many years....a big gaping money pit to
run.Regardless of the fact this tax increase may be to pay for the
schools on the west you cannot ignore the fact that the GC District
infrastructure is part of the money pit which will need investment.Besides if business such as the GC is ran by politicians and
lawyers.....nothing ever turns out good with this combination.
30 million down the drain form east side egos!
The legislators from the east side in cahoots with the mayors from the east side
decided that this split would be wonderful and pushed for it. They promised
taxes would not be raised, that this new district would be able to provide all
the same programs, have less administration, be more responsive to the people,
have smaller class sizes, and pay teacher more. Which one of these "promises"
are they going to keep?Maybe if they didn't have 2 PR people, inept
IT practices that result in losing 6000 employees' identity information and the
costs of paying for 1 year of an identity guard program, holding a big kick off
party and parade, and having the same number of District Administrators as the
old Jordan District, then maybe they would have the 1.8 million they need and
maybe even some of the 2 million they want.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.......this is awesome! This district should be called the Grand
Canyon School District since this is the amount of money that it will take to
fix all the 60 year old schools, bribe...errrrr.... i mean vote for the tax to
happen. Because after all this district is ran by lawyers. And you know what
they say about any lawyer at the bottom of the ocean....But wait all
those east siders that voted have this money so good luck!!!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....cannot stop laughing.
In 2006, the top 10 % payed 63 % of the taxes in this country. I'm always glad
to go to work to support my fellow Americans and illegal immigrants.Ey Oh
Ey oh it's off to work I go.....
The 3.8 million to the equalization tax was taken into account in the canyons
district initial budget. This tax increase is not covering that, they simply
mention that because they know they are going to get nailed for this.If you look at what it is actually going on it's to cover expenses that they
didn't anticipate (even though their experts told them they should have). Why
don't they show some responsibility and dip into the surplus they set aside in
their budget. Isn't that what a surplus is for?No instead they are
going to keep the surplus and raise taxes.Take a lesson from other
districts and cut administration, dip into your surplus, and stop building an
empire on the backs of people.
It sounds like no one even read the article. Another case of reading the
headline and commenting. First of all the district itself is
proposing the increase. Second they are doing it because of legislation passed
after the district split which entailed raising money to build schools for the
new Jordan district. It seems the new Canyons district is still paying for the
new schools, but at least other SL County districts are chipping in too.It would pay to read the article first.
Who did not see this coming? How on earth can having two districts save
money. Hate to say I told you so.. no wait a minute, I am happy to say I told
you so. This was a boondoggle right from the start. Many people affected
weren't even allowed to vote. If I lived out there I would be outraged.
The spokeswoman in another article was quoted as saying "We have to raise enough
money to pay our bills." Shouldn't a means of paying the bills already been in
place? I don't live in either district (thank goodness) and it upsets me.
My Friends,I know how eager you all are to bash the Canyons School
district for who knows why but please, please pay attention before you start on
another ill-informed ignorant rant. The Countywide equalization tax was created
by the legislature and is applied to all school districts in Salt Lake County
not a tax created by Canyons due to fiscal mis-management. Even though the
Canyons district wanted to split to stop paying for growth somewhere else, they
are still required to do so via the legislature not their own ineptitude.
Please read before you rant!
If you want a real eye-opener, find out how much these administrators are paying
themselves and you will find you were duped.
remember to vote: the tax increase is going to be used for the JORDAN DISTRICT,
not for funding the Canyons. After we voted, the legislature decided to pass the
equalization bill so now we're ALL responsible for building Jordan District's
(fancy) new schools. This tax hike is only vaguely linked to the split.
The only result of this split is double administration costs. Didn't anyone that voted for this take economics? Economies of scale are
real! Jordan received accalades for being the most efficient and lowest
administrative cost district in the nation. Now that has been destroyed and we
have two administrations. I thought we lived in a state where one
party ruled and that party is the party of anti-government. So why did we
increase government? Looks like many in the legislature are lying about their
ideaology. They have the ideaology of destroy public schools rather than less
Wasn't one of the reason for the split the East side was tired of building all
the West side schools? Now they are going to do it anyway? Who's great idea
was this in the first place? The millions of dollars that have flushed down the
toilet without helping one student makes me sick.
To HaHaHa, if you own property in Salt Lake County, you will be paying for the
split. It's part of the State Legislature's Equalized Building Assessment.
Taxpayers in Salt Lake City, Granite, and Murray Districts will ship their
dollars to Jordan to pay for the legislatively permitted divorce. Tax notices
come out very soon.
That didn't take long.
So, Canyon District wanted to break away so they didn't have to pay for west
side schools and students? Humm, now they are paying for west side schools and
Haha haha haha. But don't worry, they will focus on the schools on the East
side. Someday. Maybe.
It's hard to tell what will get through the moderator of this forum, since
there's no published rules. But here goes again.People, you have to
remember to vote. Utah has the lowest voter turnout, or near to it, in the
nation. And then weird things happen.Jordan was THE MOST FISCALLY
RESPONSIBLE school district in the country. In an election where only about a
third of the citizens voted, and where less than half of the school district was
allowed to vote, only one sixth (1/6) of the citizens needed to show up to vote
against this ridiculous split.They didn't. The east side got what
the east side voted for.
HoHoHo. This is REALLY funny. Those who saw cost savings now desperately need
to growth revenue from the west. To split was a terrible decision to start with
and now it's rearing its ugly head!HaHaHaHoHoHo! Glad I don't live
in either district!
One month after the bus parade and birthday cake we have the first tax
increase. Welcome to reality Canyon District taxpayers.
Tax payers waltzed again.Tell us again what a good deal it will be
to split up the Jordan School district?Full employment act for
Schools need the money!! The Jordan district was a better deal for all. I
thought this was pitched by the mayors as being a less expensive alternative? We
east siders are so stupid!. I will gladly vote for this and then some but the
politicians that pushed for the split should be voted out. The Jordan District
was a great value for us and the economies of scale worked well.
One way or another Jordan is going to get you!!