Like it or not we are part of the US. The "regulatory strings" are likely to be
there for all states regardless if we say NO.If Utah said NO to
federal highway money, I might have to camp out at work rather than using the
interstate to get from my day job, then to my farm and then back home.Seriously, I think that would put Utah at a severe disadvantage, so much that
we might think the current economic situation is mild. ***Until then you are
just talking without thinking things all the way through.***I would
like to limit government expansion just like many others & if we can convince
all States to say NO, we might have something. Then we could start working on
State and other governments to only be involved in what individuals can't do for
themselves. Reglardless how strong I feel about limiting government,
there is no way my community in Southern Utah can build and maintain a highway
up to Salt Lake. We have to work cooperatively with other communities, maybe
some in the State, some outside. Maybe we could put up a fence at every County
to federal funds. The regulatory stings attached aren't worth it.
Henry, Even California has a balanced budget amendment in their Constitution,
but the Democrat legislature just ignores it! So they run a 26.3 billion dollar
deficit after raising 12 billion in new taxes in the spring! Now the legislators
raid the City and County budgets to supposedly balance their budget! Give Credit
where credit is due: The State of Utah has a balanced budget and doesn't have to
go to Washington D.C with a hat in hand or a tin cup and beg for billions in
phony money printed on a press in Washington that is printing at record rates so
we can enjoy record inflation and a more devalued dollar in the future!
Anonymous, I agree with many of your comments, but it is a statistical fact
that Oklahoma has the highest level of Charitable giving in the United States!
Lots of experience in this area! Just another Christian state living the golden
rule also! Fact is that less Federal funds returned to Utah does equal
less Federal control and illustrates in a big way how INEFFICIENT WASHINGTON D.C
is no matter who is in power there! ROME IS BURNING!
To those bragging about how we had a "balanced budget AGAIN under Republican
leadership" in the state, it's in the UT constitution that the budget has to be
balanced, regardless of who's in charge. So much for bragging about that line.
Also, as I can predict the next comeback line, this amendment was proposed and
ratified under a Democratic administration in UT. Yes, I know it seems
impossible, but it's true nevertheless.
Hey, I've got a GREAT idea!Why not round everybody up and move out to the
desert someplace away from everyone and do our own thing?We can multiple
wives, scam each other with pyramid schemes, bring back prohibition, pay no
taxes ...It'll be great!
thanks you for your generousity!! We pay in X, and get back Y. Y is much much
bigger than X.we are a farming state... not in the south.Again, we thank you. kiss kiss
Utah has the most productive workforce in America! This information further
supports this. Why are we on the top of states with highest bond ratings. Why
do we spend the least amount per student but are in the better half of the
states with education results. Another example of the most productive
workforces.The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also
sends out much more money from the state of Utah than it brings in here. This
probably draws more capital away from Utah than the lack of federal spending in
Utah. Yet we have one of the best economic engines of any state. Again, this
shows that Utah has the most productive workforce of any state!How
can we solve the severe economic problems that face the nation today? We will
find some great examples by looking at what is done in Utah! Most productive
workforce, and most charitable giving in terms of money and service.Lets take note of this, we can be productive and make a difference!
Sure does!From my personal experience if there were two identical
wildlife projected except one was in Colorado and the other was in Utah. In
many cases the Colorado project would get approved.So I guess that
means you have to build friendship and work together so "they" will support
worthwhile projects in Utah. Maybe we don't have the "best" salesmen hired as
project writers, but I detected a general negative feeling towards anything that
came from Utah. Maybe that is part of why we are last on the list -
we are seen as uncooperative etc.
The point of the federal budget is not to provide services to Americans in a
manner that is most beneficial to the country as a whole. It is to reward those
who meet the political goals of our elected officials.Utah rarely
plays into some politicians political agenda, so we don't get much money, plain
and simple.The system stinks, but its the system we've got.
I have no special knowledge, but looking at the last paragraph of the story of
money spent in individual counties makes me wonder what was included and what
wasn't. It lloks to me that something might have been ommitted from the
complete story.The question of how much is paid in income tax and
how much is received is valid and would be a good project for the Deseret
News.In addition, rather than counting totals we should work to see
that what is spent (city, county, state, federal) on the best projects and they
are managed properly. What is the proper balance between State Parks & State
Roads, Would those federal funds be best spent on airports, improved weather
reports, education etc. or what balances between them. Are we spending on things
really needed or do some slip through?
Some more facts needed.I had understood (a few years back) that Utah
actually received more federal money than was paid in income tax even though as
the article says we are near the lower end of the total amount received. When
cost sharing projects (like highways) grants, military bases, payments-in-lieu
of taxes, salaries of federal employees in National Parks to the IRS Service
Center, contracts, fire fighting. post offices all add up.I know in
the '60's there was a study in one county about how it would be if all the
National Forest Land were converted to private land and taxed at rates to
similar properties. The study assumed that local government would provide
similar services [like fire protection, roads etc.] a similar costs. The
conclusion was the County would have to raise taxes just to keep going and if
something like one of the big fires happened, it would use the County's whole
budget to manage it.Yes we pay taxes, but there are not many of us
(conntrary to what it might seem in SL traffic) and we do receive and benefit
from federal money that comes in the State.
I guess the new NSA facility will change those numbers some.
The knowledgeable people quoted in the article point out correctly that the
reason for Utah "ranking" near last in this measure is Social Security and
Medicare, which Utah gets relatively little of because of the small population
of elderly. Unfortunately, the reporter seems to have ignored this
point in favor of the more sensationalistic line about Utah not getting its due.
(And sure enough, the loonies took the bait and posted their
This article seemed to be missing one very critical element: what is the revenue
generated (i.e. federal taxes collected) per capita in Utah? Without knowing
this number it is impossible to know if Utah "got less than it's share" as
several posters stated. These posters likely erroneously assumed that each
state pays equal amounts into the system per capita, this is clearly not the
case.My guess is Utah contributes less than the national average in
federal taxes; the younger demographic profile and charitable contribution
deductions of many residents likely contribute to this. My guess, however, is
that Utah still pays more into the federal system than it receives. Rankings of
this spread would be very interesting to see.I'm not making a
statement about liberal v. conservative politics here. Just pointing out a
weakness in the article and the logical flaws in several of the posted comments
government works, reward the irresponsible and punish the responsible. Makes
complete sence. See Socialized gov is the way to go???Darnd right
just cause we get less than everyone else, we will still equally pay back the
debt or have equal share of debt, oh, Obama has no intention of ever paying off
the debt he has made us incurre.
All of you who are bragging about not taking from the federal government are
funny to hear. You take your share, but your share seems to be lower, according
to the article, because your kids are having kids, hence the article referring
to the "young age" of Utahns. Posters talk about being fiscally responsible,
but it sounds as if Utah would be right in there asking for their share given
different circumstances, so read the article again and hop off that high horse.
Anonymous @ 8:31Conservatives here are not the ones missing the
point. We just prefer to not be enslaved by the government dole and refuse to
get caught up in a juvenile game of "no fair" that only bankrupts our nation.
Dear Anonymous,I hope my tax dollars go to paying off our national
debt. I don't mind paying a little extra to help with the national good. As a
school teacher, I'd like to see more money for my students and myself, but I'm
proud that Utah has a balanced budget.
To LDS Help, the Church does not pay for every need a family may have. Great
things are done, but they cannot meet all the need. The Church just is not big
enough even for its own members, let alone the 97% of America that does not
If all other states started acting more fiscally responsible, they would not
need as much money from the federal gov't and the fed can then put that money
toward balancing the budget and paying down our deficit.
in utah fed spending appears to operate within it's proper realm - roads,
airports, defense, parks - the people appear to operate within their proper
realms - family, fidelity, health, low poeverty, education - Americans should
learn from UTAH'S example of WE THE PEOPLE
Maybe you're missing the point of this article.Did you, or did you not pay
any Federal Taxes?What the report is clearly stating [and you are
obviously missing] is that Utahns are paying MORE than they are getting back.So just keep on giving yourselves a big old slap on the back. I'm sure
all those unemployed folks in places like Mississippi, Alabama and Kentucky will
be sending us here in Utah all a bunch of "Thank you" cards!
The dribble from the government teat soon becomes a firehose. Best stay away.
way to go Utah!! I'm willing to bet that most conservative voting states are
near the bottom of the list, while most liberal voting states are right at the
top beginning with New York and California, which is very unfortunate
considering the budget mess that both states are facing.However, its
always been the mantra of the left to throw our good money after bad.
Under Obama's socialist's America, I will soon have no choice on Healthcare,
Energy, the car I drive, education, less disposal income..... I never felt so
free!You idiot liberals still complaining about Bush and is
"assault" on the constitution are deluded. Obama is doing what you blamed Bush
for the last 8 years.
You want less federal dollars, yet you fight to keep Hill AFB and Tooele Army
Depot from BRAC, you love federal dollars on the reconstruction of I-15, you are
proud of SL International Airport, paid for by federal dollars, and the list
goes on and on. Then when the Administration (and the military) wants to cut
the F-22, which is a pork-laden project, you scream like crazy. You preach
states rights, then support a gun bill that takes away states rights. You want
a national law defining marriage, overruling state laws. The reality is, you
conservatives LOVE federal money and intervention, when it is on your pet
The LDS church also provides vast food and shelter resources for its members and
non-members alike, taking the place of federal food and housing assistance. The amount of money the LDS church places into it Bishop store houses,
utility and rent payments is massive.
Let's keep it this way. Can we keep all the federal money out of the state, and
all the federal demands and coercions that go along with all that money? I'm for
independence from the federal government. And I quite dislike the, "Well, look
how much everybody else is getting," silliness. This isn't Christmas morning,
this is real life. I think we're getting along just fine without more federal
We need to elect more Democrats so we can get our rightfull place at the trough.
After all, bringing home the pork is much more important than silly notions like
the good of the country.
While you use this as an opportunity to put a feather in your liberal hat I look
at it completely different. I DONT WANT FEDERAL MONEY!!! You can have it
bleeding heart. Look at other states ran by liberals, check out their "state"
deficits?? What do you see? Deficit, deficit, deficit! Is this a surprise that
Utah balanced the budget AGAIN with Republican leadership. You look
at the worst run states economically and 12 out of 13 are run by tax loving
Democrats. While Bush could be viewed as a failure on the federal level UTAH has
proven it doesnt need Obama or Bush to run its state.Utah has always
done more with less and this recent study just proves it. You can have your
grants, entitlements, blocks of cheese, whatever you can rip off from the Feds,
go ahead. Meanwhile Utah will keep running with low unemployment and an economy
that puts the majority of the nation to shame.THANKS FOR PROVING A
POINT WE ALREADY KNEW LIBERALS:)
We are not getting enough money from the Feds for all the land they own in this
state. They need to give it back to the state so we can generate taxes and
develop parts of it.
I would rather not be a big drain on the federal government. This is something
to be thrilled about. We are caring for ourselves versus relying on "Big
Brother" to care for us. Congratulations to the state. The only sad thing is
that we don't also pay less for being more thrifty.
I knew there would be one idiot at least here. I don't know if the loser is
Bush, Hatch, Bennett, Matheson, Bishop or who. But you all voted for them
during the period in question(2007,2008), so one or more of them must be the
loser. Interesting in the list of counties and amounts that Tooele wasn't
listed. With three military facilities I would think it would have a high
amount of federal money.
That is wonderful news. Lets see if we can push it even lower in the future.
Less money from the government = more freedom for us.
You can rationalize the reasons all you like (younger, married, etc.) but that
does not explain procurement and grant deficiencies and similar economic
activity. The reality is, as I've argued for a long time, that Utah is a
non-player. The Congressional delegation is relatively weak and reliably of
one party (even Matheson seems to be a closet Republican and a non-player).
Utah will vote Republican no matter what (my Dad said Utah would elect the Devil
himself if he ran on the Republican ticket), so neither party has to do anything
to build support. So, enjoy paying taxes and getting less in return, missing
out on the economic benefit. Claiming that Utah doesn't want federal dollars
does not change reality.
Utah also had the lowest voting rate along with Hawaii so you have yourselves to
blame. Obama brought hope to the USA after 8 years of tyranny
You all voted for the loser...now you have to pay for your sins!
Way to go Utah! Your state is an example to the rest of America! I wish we
could all emuluate your lifestyle more!