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this is why i don't lke living in salt lake city - mormons and non-mormons can never seem to get along in harmony. each side adds to the discontent. blah!
Let the hate, ignorance, and intolerance fly!
As a high-profile and non-violent protest against repression and intolerance, I think that a spirited "kiss-in," involving both gays and straights, is a wonderful idea.
Ghandi would be proud!
funny how the LDS changed their story to fit the crime..... how conveinent
Mormons should stop trying to enforce their social views as to acceptable behavior on non-Mormons. The next thing you know the church will try to require male visitors to the park to require white shirts and black neckties.
And gays should be treated just the same as straights in a public plaza. Regardless of who owns it.
It is fully the fault of Utah who has brainwashed other faiths to hate us!
so let me get this right, two people homosexual or not were showing too much passion on a church site and were asked to stop. who cares? now we are having protests and such. it seems to me that the church is certainly within their rights to ask them to leave private property. i guess the jews should let anything go at the wailing wall, too. i have lived in washington dc and many other large cities in the US. i once spoke with a manager at a 5 star hotel in DC. there had been a gay rights parade and they had patrons in their hotel restaurant wearing balloon body parts on their heads and shouting swear words. other patrons complained but nothing was done because the hotel was afraid that there would be some protest if they did. if you know a certain group like the mormons dont agree with your lifestyle doesnt it make sense to avoid them and not fight. if not i guess it would be okay to start handing out books of mormons and singing hymns at gay and lesbian parades and meetings. like it said, give me a break!!
Jeff it's *NOT* a public plaza, it is owned by the LDS church. Malaka, funny how the Gay men changed their story to fit the crime.... how convenient.
I was there and it was brilliant! Wonderful support from our heterosexual allies as well. Thank you all for supporting the right to expression of love, gay or straight!
The years of Rocky Anderson as SLC mayor were both fruitful and rewarding. Jazz fans were always the most hateful toward my partner and I. Mormons were usually nice to us.
I've got to believe that any group of "faithful Mormons" would have left it to the security personnel on temple square to deal with this group of protesters. It appears to me that this whole deal was staged as a publicity stunt (and certainly not by the church).
What happened to "blessed are the meek" and "turn the other cheek"? Somehow I don't find it befitting for those professing to be TRUE followers of Christ to be shout at others like that. Mormons need to get out the Bible and read it for a change.
Jeff - That's your opinion. If we followed that logic then there is no boundary whatsoever. If some cultures allow public urination should we also allow that. In some cultures it's appropriate to beat your children, should we also allow that?
Someone wrote: "Ghandi would be proud."
Oh Really?
Ghandi worked to promote peace and respect. He was also a very religious man.
The two men who started this all were acting very provocatively, in essence looking for a problem (groping and using lewd language). Ghandi's first step would have been to ask these men to go somewhere else where young children would not be submitted to their insensitivities.
Ghandi respected other religions and people. His second step would have been to point out the property the men were on belonged to a community of faith which viewed public groping as offensive to their God, and he then would have respectfully asked them to move on just as the security guards did.
And when the men complained about injustice, Ghandi would have told them they were acting like wimps given the real injustices his people faced.
Ghandi was respectful, sensitive to religious beliefs, and wouldn't have whined if a police officer asked him to grope somewhere else.
Ghandi would have been proud, come on.
So open-minded your brains fell out.
The church never changed its story to fit the crime. People overreacted when they initially heard the story and never waited for what the church had to say. There's always two sides to the story, and I think if people were to be reasonable and not judge one side and let those feelings of animosity toward one side or the other than they could look at this issue in a rational way.
That's some pretty mediocre photojournalism that accompanies the article. Don't think that your readers don't notice.
Another fine day for Mormonphobes! How hatred brings out the worst side of humanity.
Why draw attention to a drunken trespassing case? Respect for beliefs goes both ways, people!
Exactly, gays should be treated the same as anyone. Gay or straight, too much public display of affection is never a good thing. Especially when in an area where there may be young children around.
Funny, the church has remained quiet on the details and everybody believes the first report out of the mainstream media that this was an attack on homosexuality from the church. False. I am friends with a church security guard that was on duty. The men were drunk, petting, making crude sexual gestures on church property. They were KINDLY asked to stop several times. After being peppered with profanity the security guards asked them to leave. Finally after nothing worked and continued verbal abuse, the men were charged with trespassing. Don't be fooled, this was not about an innocent kiss! If any couple had behaved this way, homosexual or not, they would have been asked to leave also. You shouldn't jump on the bandwagon before you know the WHOLE story folks!
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