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Utah Jazz shop Boozer, still want Millsap
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Miles | 12:55 a.m. July 15, 2009
Boozer a leader? Now that's funny stuff.
Sick and | 1:37 a.m. July 15, 2009
tired of this story. Just move him already. He's obviously already
emotionally gone anyways. And I don't even care if we keep Millsap
anymore. If I were owner, I would do whatever DWill wanted me to do.
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bradio | 2:12 a.m. July 15, 2009
I really do want a trade for the Jazz, Evans from the bulls seems promising. But
I am thinking the best thing to do is keep him for this next season, he will
have no choice but to work his butt off and play well in order to get traded,
then when his stock goes up we can make a great trade that will make fans in
utah happy. Chris Bosh is one that comes to mind, or josh smith, if boozer has a
good year we could trade straight up for a player of bosh or smiths caliber.
just an idea.
professional? | 2:17 a.m. July 15, 2009
what did you say Boozer "they(Bulls organization) are very professional
there"? will you look in the mirror first before you said that.. Boozer
you've been in two teams in your career, what happens? the fans hated you
in those two teams, now you are talking professionalism?
Jrich | 5:06 a.m. July 15, 2009
Great point, what does Dwill think. He has been quiet. He is the real leader,
and person the Jazz need to build around
Millsap's contract a value | 5:46 a.m. July 15, 2009
I agree with you "Everyone Knows Boozer". Millsap is not a cornerstone
PF. However, I think his contract is a great value giving us the opportunity to
pursue a guy like David Lee using Boozer's contract. Regardless, a front
court of Okur and Millsap is adequate if we could get more help at SG or SF. We
also have to find a way to dump AK since his contract kept us from taking our
roster to the next level while we had Booz.
Boozer Still Has No Clue | 5:54 a.m. July 15, 2009
"Great organization, top-notch from top to bottom," Boozer, speaking
to WMVP, said of the Bulls. "They do things very professionally there.
Right?!? I recall they were real professional to break up a championship team when Jordan was there.
Right?!? I recall they were real professional to break up a championship team when Jordan was there.
@Sick and | 6:18 a.m. July 15, 2009
According to some notes, DWILL wants Millsap in the team, i think he is not sure
about Booz.
Dr Jazz | 6:25 a.m. July 15, 2009
After the 1st yr Millsap will be a bargain. I think they will match and I
wouldn't be surprised that in a yr they get another PF. Maybe even a
starter and Millsap is the reserve energy Guy.
The whole thing improves in 2 yrs when A.K. comes of the books. This next two yrs are very important b/c if we haven't fixed this by the 3rd yr we will lose Dwill.
The whole thing improves in 2 yrs when A.K. comes of the books. This next two yrs are very important b/c if we haven't fixed this by the 3rd yr we will lose Dwill.
KOC's gotta go too | 6:53 a.m. July 15, 2009
Fire KOC and bring in Stockton to replace him.
Olé | 7:50 a.m. July 15, 2009
With his history of Matador defense isn't it ironic that Snoozer would be a
good addition to the "Bulls"?
IDjazz12 | 7:51 a.m. July 15, 2009
Dwill when asked if he has talked to Boozer said we have text messaged a couple
of times since the season ended. His other team mates he seems to be in contact
with him constantly including Korver, Milsap, Brewer, Price, and Miles. Not sure
about Memo and AK.
But Dwill not even talking to Boozer I would think says volumes about how the PG feels about him. I think it also goes to the point that Boozer divided the locker room last year when he returned and I think it is hard to play basketball when you have a guy on your team you can't stand and does not deserve to start and yet he comes back and starts in front of Milsap. And the way the players have talked about how bad they want Milsap back I think you can see what caused the Locker room split.
And don't kid yourself that DWill did not have a say in asking management to ship Boozer out of here but you can't tell the press the the PG is making some of the choices. I like that he is active in those decisions.
But Dwill not even talking to Boozer I would think says volumes about how the PG feels about him. I think it also goes to the point that Boozer divided the locker room last year when he returned and I think it is hard to play basketball when you have a guy on your team you can't stand and does not deserve to start and yet he comes back and starts in front of Milsap. And the way the players have talked about how bad they want Milsap back I think you can see what caused the Locker room split.
And don't kid yourself that DWill did not have a say in asking management to ship Boozer out of here but you can't tell the press the the PG is making some of the choices. I like that he is active in those decisions.
CJ3 | 7:56 a.m. July 15, 2009
I recall the Bulls blowing up the team, also. Reinsdorf (owner) and Krause (GM)
let go not only Jordan, but Pippen, and practically the entire team. Reinsdorf
wouldn't pay Pippen.
The Bulls have made the postseason a grand total of 2 times since then, I think.
I'd have to think Boozer's numbers would drop off in Chi-Town. Rose still likes to shoot more than pass.
The Bulls have made the postseason a grand total of 2 times since then, I think.
I'd have to think Boozer's numbers would drop off in Chi-Town. Rose still likes to shoot more than pass.
re: Fire KOC | 8:01 a.m. July 15, 2009
KOC had to wait and see who would opt in/out before he could really start to
work some deals. DWILL said the same thing in his interview last Saturday.
Good Story | 8:20 a.m. July 15, 2009
It's nice to see some good, unbiased reporting from Buckley and the D-News.
KFAN and especially David Locke have been doing a shameful job of spinning
things the way Jazz manangement want. KFAN's bias and inability to be
critical have made it a station to be shunned.
Whats This T-Mac Thing? | 8:41 a.m. July 15, 2009
If you get rid of one bloated contract why "O" why would you jump back
into the same situation again? It makes no sense, T-Mac is not a team player
flat out and you all seen how Houston did after he went down. If your going to
throw out the baby get rid of the water too. I also believe that signing Milsap
will be a mistake, now is the time to trim and shop. In other words get it right
this time!
Who cares... | 8:51 a.m. July 15, 2009
..its just Basketball. These clowns make too much money, while the rest of us
suffer.
MPetrie | 8:55 a.m. July 15, 2009
I don't understand why people are crying about Millsap being too expensive.
Look at this as a whole! We've had him for 3 years and only had to pay
$790,000 a year for his numbers! Consider this up front money a reimbursement.
After the first year, he's going to be paid what I thought he should be.
$7-$8 million. That's about the average for someone with his production.
So, in a sense... Millsap is one of the biggest bargains the Jazz have on the
team. Because if the Jazz match, we've paid him an average annual salary of
about $5.5 million.
That's a bargain.
That's a bargain.
Jo Mamma | 8:55 a.m. July 15, 2009
I hope Chicago has room on the back row for Boozer and his street clothes.
Carlos 'I can't play with a hang nail' Boozer being a leader on a
team. That would be a nice change.
To Olé | 9:03 a.m. July 15, 2009
Well said:0)
Miles | 9:13 a.m. July 15, 2009
I wouldn't trade Boozer. Let him finish out the year. That way the Jazz
do not take on any other bloated contract in the trade. Boozer is more valuable
to keep than trade at this point with his expiring contract. Same with AK,
Korver and Harpring. If you trade them, you have to get a great player because
you take on the same amount of pay.
Big Baby | 9:21 a.m. July 15, 2009
Anybody have any thoughts on the possibility of acquiring Big Baby as a back up
for Milsap. This of course assuming that Booz is gone. I saw that he should be
offered between 3-5 million by either the Pistons or Mavs. Thoughts?
ha ha lol boozer a leader?! | 9:22 a.m. July 15, 2009
he's been in the nba for a few yrs and it's obvious he did'nt
realize what expectations there actually are when you sing a contract for 12 mil
and don't ever produce. i would say that he produced for the jazz but never
ever did. obviously had himself a few decent games where he was a machine but
that very same 'machine' ended up being a recall because it is very
defective. boozer came from a prissy ssa college and only knows $$ and not
actual work. millsap came from karl malone's college and we all know what
karl malone did for the jazz while he was here.
We all know | 9:26 a.m. July 15, 2009
that the Jazz are going to make a stupid, stupid move. Even if they trade
Boozer for cap relief, the Jazz are handcuffed even next year because of AK.
This year is going to be a lost cause anyway--unless you can trade Boozer for
Bosh, which won't happen--so you might as well take any trade you can get
to unload AK. Even if we got TMac, he is off the books in time for the FA class
of 2010, just in time to try and lure a very, very good FA. As it stands, the
Jazz will be the same team next year as they will be this year; so get used to
it. The Jazz HAVE to trade both Boozer and AK. THEY HAVE TO.
bostonjazzfan | 9:35 a.m. July 15, 2009
Gortat for Boozer?
Orlando just inked him and they could use some low-post offense and have all the big d-fense they need. It might put them over the top for a championship and it might give Boozer proximity to Miami.
Orlando just inked him and they could use some low-post offense and have all the big d-fense they need. It might put them over the top for a championship and it might give Boozer proximity to Miami.
Paul is devoted | 9:39 a.m. July 15, 2009
Too bad you or your rep mentioned money in the press or to the fans in Utah.
You really will be Boozers backup.... all the way out of town. With that you
just fell out of favor.
Paul does not have the body to play starter PF in NBA and so when the team fails to score the necessary 90-100 points a game it will be his fault and the fault of his contract. If I were Paul I would run to Portland.
Sloan did not seem to care when we lost last year, KOC is being handled by the league and players, as in the tail wagging the dog. I would say the Jazz are ready to compete...NOT!!
This year we won't even be able to compete in the D league as our bright spot there (Almond) was picked up by Knicks.
When Almond gets a hot hand he can really score. On the Jazz we had Boozer who could really score but he is being traded. We did however sign Ronnie Price again and he averages 3-4 points per game. Does anyone wonder how or who is going to provide the offense?
Paul does not have the body to play starter PF in NBA and so when the team fails to score the necessary 90-100 points a game it will be his fault and the fault of his contract. If I were Paul I would run to Portland.
Sloan did not seem to care when we lost last year, KOC is being handled by the league and players, as in the tail wagging the dog. I would say the Jazz are ready to compete...NOT!!
This year we won't even be able to compete in the D league as our bright spot there (Almond) was picked up by Knicks.
When Almond gets a hot hand he can really score. On the Jazz we had Boozer who could really score but he is being traded. We did however sign Ronnie Price again and he averages 3-4 points per game. Does anyone wonder how or who is going to provide the offense?
Add a lot as a leader | 9:39 a.m. July 15, 2009
and let me tell you about a bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn...
Like many other selfish people, Boozer doesn't understand that his individual production isn't the measure of his value to the team. Sometimes in optimizing a part, you sub-optimize the whole.
Like many other selfish people, Boozer doesn't understand that his individual production isn't the measure of his value to the team. Sometimes in optimizing a part, you sub-optimize the whole.
TheHailstorm | 9:40 a.m. July 15, 2009
I'd like to see him in beautiful Sacramento or maybe Memphis where he call
wallow around in street clothes and obscurity.
Cleveland , today, has no remorse that he back doored them on the way here.
Cleveland , today, has no remorse that he back doored them on the way here.
Re: What's this T-Mac Thing? | 9:41 a.m. July 15, 2009
Obviously you don't know anything about it. Kirilenko has 2 years on his
contract while tmac only has 1 year left. It would be nice if he played but if
he is hurt all season it doesn't really matter. It also gives our young
guys a chance to get more playing time and experience. I can't stand when
people make ignorant post like that. They are the ones that say signing Millsap
is mistake. We need to do the right thing. Why hasn't KOC traded for Bosh?
If KOC could get Bosh w/o giving up Dwill then it would take a blink of an eye
to get the deal done
All about "Me" | 9:42 a.m. July 15, 2009
Being "me" first is bad enough, being "all about me" is
worse. Boozer is all about Boozer. I don't even buy it when he says
"What's best for my family and me." People who are about
"we" don't say "My family and me," they say,
"What's best for my family."
Who in their right mind would want to be in a foxhole with Boozer with their life on the line? He has no character.
There is no "I" in team? There is no "team" in Boozer.
Who in their right mind would want to be in a foxhole with Boozer with their life on the line? He has no character.
There is no "I" in team? There is no "team" in Boozer.
Boozer Strikes Again!!! | 9:47 a.m. July 15, 2009
This guys incessant narcissistic behavior is thoroughly amazing.
His selfishness transcends even most athletes.
What purpose does Boozer announcing on the radio that "the Jazz said X and I agreed and I am going to be traded" serve?
It serves no purpose other than Boozer to force a trade and it makes the trade more difficult because now it appears to put the Jazz in a desperate situation.
WORD OF CAUTION TO BOOZER
EXHIBIT A---ANDREI KIRILENKO
He also tried to force a trade and how did that pan out? He also went public with his wishes and how did that work out for him?
MARK MY WORDS--The Jazz have a history of not trading players UNLESS they feel they are getting adequate value in return.
How funny to bring Boozer back and sit him on the bench behind Millsap!!!
He is pushing to get somewhere else so he can still "get his raise either way" and sign his extension to take care of his family that has left him.
Boozer is such a low-life loozer.
One day he will wake up and realize his legacy was just lies and deceipt.
His selfishness transcends even most athletes.
What purpose does Boozer announcing on the radio that "the Jazz said X and I agreed and I am going to be traded" serve?
It serves no purpose other than Boozer to force a trade and it makes the trade more difficult because now it appears to put the Jazz in a desperate situation.
WORD OF CAUTION TO BOOZER
EXHIBIT A---ANDREI KIRILENKO
He also tried to force a trade and how did that pan out? He also went public with his wishes and how did that work out for him?
MARK MY WORDS--The Jazz have a history of not trading players UNLESS they feel they are getting adequate value in return.
How funny to bring Boozer back and sit him on the bench behind Millsap!!!
He is pushing to get somewhere else so he can still "get his raise either way" and sign his extension to take care of his family that has left him.
Boozer is such a low-life loozer.
One day he will wake up and realize his legacy was just lies and deceipt.
Maybe | 9:52 a.m. July 15, 2009
the Jazz could trade AK and the NY pick for Bosh or Dirk or something and then
turn around and do a sign and trade Boozer for Lee with NY....
Erod | 9:53 a.m. July 15, 2009
Boozer has to go. If he stays, he will work hard to get his points at the
expense of the team. He will be divisive in the locker room, and he won't
play Defense. I would much rather have a happy Milsap who works hard and is a
true leader by example, then Boozer, who always talks about being a leader, even
though he doesn't know the first thing about leadership. Look at his
history, the guy is an aloof pretty boy who wears an Armani suit to the games
more than he does a Jazz uniform.
Blazer fan | 9:58 a.m. July 15, 2009
Let Millsap go to Portland.
Thanks,
A Portland Fan
Thanks,
A Portland Fan
Anonymous | 10:20 a.m. July 15, 2009
I'm glad to hear that the Jazz will not just take the first low ball offer
that comes their way for Boozer. I lean towards just letting him finish out this
year if there isn't a fantastic trade opportunity.
And to all you cheapos that think Millsap is too expensive...I think you are nuts. It's not your money anyway. He is only expensive this ONE year. After that the contract is very reasonable. Consider this first year as back pay for the years that he has been the lowest paid player on the team.
Sound like D-Will is in constant touch with KOC (according to a few sources). That is good. It is important to hear what he wants and thinks is good for the team. He would know better than all these dumb fans that are ready to throw away such a hard worker (Millsap)because of a stupid signing bonus.
This will all work out well.
And to all you cheapos that think Millsap is too expensive...I think you are nuts. It's not your money anyway. He is only expensive this ONE year. After that the contract is very reasonable. Consider this first year as back pay for the years that he has been the lowest paid player on the team.
Sound like D-Will is in constant touch with KOC (according to a few sources). That is good. It is important to hear what he wants and thinks is good for the team. He would know better than all these dumb fans that are ready to throw away such a hard worker (Millsap)because of a stupid signing bonus.
This will all work out well.
i think | 10:22 a.m. July 15, 2009
that ole's commennt has been the best so far :)
LOLOLOLOLOLOL | 10:22 a.m. July 15, 2009
Boozer a leader, eh? That guy is a joke.
The Jazz don't want Boozer, and Loozer doesn't want the Jazz, but the advantage is to the Jazz. If they don't get a legit offer, they keep him and Loozer will be motivated to play well to get a long term contract next year, so they'll benefit from his play (hopefully).
If he's a cancer in the locker room and the team, then Sloan benches him and plays Milsap until Loozer shuts his hole and decides to play nice.
Him as a leader?!?!? Now that is funny. He's a great example of how to take an organization's money and screw them over.
We shouldn't be too surprised by his actions...just think back to what he did to Cleveland.
The Jazz don't want Boozer, and Loozer doesn't want the Jazz, but the advantage is to the Jazz. If they don't get a legit offer, they keep him and Loozer will be motivated to play well to get a long term contract next year, so they'll benefit from his play (hopefully).
If he's a cancer in the locker room and the team, then Sloan benches him and plays Milsap until Loozer shuts his hole and decides to play nice.
Him as a leader?!?!? Now that is funny. He's a great example of how to take an organization's money and screw them over.
We shouldn't be too surprised by his actions...just think back to what he did to Cleveland.
Anonymous | 10:27 a.m. July 15, 2009
Miles
You don't have to take back the same salary. The Maximum salary the Jazz would even consider is taking 75 or 80% of the salary. The Jazz are not going to pay 13 million in taxes this year. It is not going to happen.
Even if Boozer, Korver and Harpring all come off the books next off season and assuming the Jazz are not going to match Millsap - The Jazz will not have any money next off season.
There is absolutely no Advantage for keeping Boozer
You don't have to take back the same salary. The Maximum salary the Jazz would even consider is taking 75 or 80% of the salary. The Jazz are not going to pay 13 million in taxes this year. It is not going to happen.
Even if Boozer, Korver and Harpring all come off the books next off season and assuming the Jazz are not going to match Millsap - The Jazz will not have any money next off season.
There is absolutely no Advantage for keeping Boozer
Agreed | 10:28 a.m. July 15, 2009
KFAN is getting pretty shoddy with their reporting. Locke and all of his
anonymous sources always seem to be on the wrong side of Jazz news. Personally,
I think Locke either makes stuff up or says what the the Jazz ownership (his
boss) wants him to.
Dave | 10:40 a.m. July 15, 2009
Winning an NBA championship is 40% talent, 40% team dynamics, and 20% coaching.
The Jazz advantage has always been team dynamics and to some degree coaching. I
hate to say it, but Phil Jackson is the best coach in the league because he is a
master of team dynamics. He can take a talented but sad excuse for a human being
named Kobe and turn him into a team player and leader! THAT's great
coaching.
So the moves the Jazz are making are not about talent. They're about team dynamics. D-Will is an outstanding talent and an outstanding leader. He can take us to a championship even without outstanding talent.
Sloan's is a mature player's coach. He forces rookies and immature, self-centered players to grow up or get shipped out. Who does Sloan like? Hint: he picks maturity over raw talent every time.
For great examples of mature players with a great team dynamic, just look at D-Will, Okur, Brewer, Korver, and Millsap. They're winners. AK-47 is the key - if he grows up mentally, the Jazz could win it by having the best team dynamic in the NBA.
So the moves the Jazz are making are not about talent. They're about team dynamics. D-Will is an outstanding talent and an outstanding leader. He can take us to a championship even without outstanding talent.
Sloan's is a mature player's coach. He forces rookies and immature, self-centered players to grow up or get shipped out. Who does Sloan like? Hint: he picks maturity over raw talent every time.
For great examples of mature players with a great team dynamic, just look at D-Will, Okur, Brewer, Korver, and Millsap. They're winners. AK-47 is the key - if he grows up mentally, the Jazz could win it by having the best team dynamic in the NBA.
thankyoucard | 10:59 a.m. July 15, 2009
Gortat for Boozer?
Gortat PPG - 3.3 RPG 3.2 APG .1
Boozer PPG - 16.2 RPG 10.4 APG 2.1
Seems like a good trade for us. bostonjazzfan, I am glad you are not in charge. I think we need to get rid of boozer but don't forget what he is worth.
Gortat PPG - 3.3 RPG 3.2 APG .1
Boozer PPG - 16.2 RPG 10.4 APG 2.1
Seems like a good trade for us. bostonjazzfan, I am glad you are not in charge. I think we need to get rid of boozer but don't forget what he is worth.
@boston&thankyou | 11:46 a.m. July 15, 2009
Hey boneheads, educate yourselves a little on how the CBA works. Gortat
can't be traded for at least 1 year by the Magic because he was a
restricted free agent that was offered a contract by another team, but matched
by his old team. Same applies currently to CJ. He can't be traded until 1
year from the time he signed his contract.
Adding to "thankyoucard" | 11:47 a.m. July 15, 2009
In addition, Orlando cannot trade Gortat until Dec 15th because of the rules
surrounding the match of Restricted Free Agents, and when they can trade him, if
he doesn't like the deal he can veto it until this time next year. Even if
Gortat were a good option, The salaries don't match and Orlando is WAY over
the cap so another team would need to get involved.
Trade | 12:07 p.m. July 15, 2009
Boozer for Amare Stoudemire. Stoudemire has one year left as well. He's
coming off eye surgery, so Phoenix is a little nervous giving him an extension.
I would love to see D-Will, Amare and Okur on the floor together.
Anonymous | 12:16 p.m. July 15, 2009
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there is no way that a trade for Bosh
will happen! We don't have anyone of enough value to get a deal like that
done unless we give up DWill. Like I said It just won't happen. I
don't think we really stand a chance next offseason when he's a free
agent either. If you really paid attention to what is going on in the NBA you
would realize that there a million other teams who have been dumping players for
the last year and a half to make salary room in preperation to sign Bosh. We
don't have the capabillity to keep up with those teams financially in order
to get him. Not to mention Utah is the least desireable place for players to
come to. We need to look into someone who isn't being targeted by every
other team in the NBA! I think that a guy like David West would fit in great in
our offense. it would be awesome if we could somehow trade booz and someone else
for him and then let millsap go to Portland. Just wishful thinking though.
KJ | 12:24 p.m. July 15, 2009
@ Olé
"With his history of Matador defense isn't it ironic that Snoozer would be a good addition to the 'Bulls'?"
No one will try to convince you that Boozer is a good defender, but luckily for the Bulls they have a guy who could potentially make up for his defensive shortcomings in Joakim Noah. I think the Bulls would be very comfortable telling Booze to focus mostly on scoring and rebounding because of what Noah offers defensively. It's a perfect combination of bigs, one offense, one defense. That's the thing Boozer Haters just refuse to wrap their head around. Boozer's defense is bad, but it never helped he had someone equally as bad playing next to him in Okur. Yet, Boozer is the one who will continually be maligned for his defense, while Jazz fans will continue to cheer Okur for playing offense like a guard, being a mediocre rebounder, and playing the regular "matador" defense himself. Go figure!
"With his history of Matador defense isn't it ironic that Snoozer would be a good addition to the 'Bulls'?"
No one will try to convince you that Boozer is a good defender, but luckily for the Bulls they have a guy who could potentially make up for his defensive shortcomings in Joakim Noah. I think the Bulls would be very comfortable telling Booze to focus mostly on scoring and rebounding because of what Noah offers defensively. It's a perfect combination of bigs, one offense, one defense. That's the thing Boozer Haters just refuse to wrap their head around. Boozer's defense is bad, but it never helped he had someone equally as bad playing next to him in Okur. Yet, Boozer is the one who will continually be maligned for his defense, while Jazz fans will continue to cheer Okur for playing offense like a guard, being a mediocre rebounder, and playing the regular "matador" defense himself. Go figure!
Peterson | 12:32 p.m. July 15, 2009
Ya Right a leader always hurt on the bench!!!
Anonymous | 12:40 p.m. July 15, 2009
Yawn.
JR | 1:32 p.m. July 15, 2009
I think that we should package AK and Boozer for Howard and Pietrus of Orland.
Ir would give them immediate cap space. I am sure that in this economy they
would jump on that deal.
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You say to "quit whining and play somebody." Isn't that what everyone is...
Reading these comments, I start wondering-- Whatever happened to faith? Why...
All those numbers when all you reall need to know is that BYU has beat Utah...
All thos numbers when all you reall need to know is that BYU has beat Utah...
So Sam da Ham, when you said this: "Not so. Al Gore is poised to make...
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I think it is best to let Millsap go. He is not the ideal PF for the Jazz for the next 4 years and is very expensive this first year. That hurts efforts to improve the team in other areas by trading Boozer.
By keeping Millsap the Jazz over pay again. They pay tax to rivals. They lose the chance to get the right combination of players for a championship. Sloan will insist on playing Millsap for the next 4 years which will insure no ring in the next 4 years. He and Okur together are weaker on offense than Okur and Boozer and they are not much better on defense. The Jazz will be a sieve for the next 4 years.
Millsap's back up numbers can be easily replaced for cheap. The Jazz have time to replace Boozer.
Neither Boozer nor Millsap are the right answer at PF. Lee might be.