Most of you guys kill me on here....yes if it was a perfect NBA world...we would
have a team of tall,lanky 6'10" ball handlers that could pass...shoot midrange
and 3ptrs. Rebound and Bloack shots...they woulkd work for the $300,000 per
year and not complain.Reality is that there are only so much top
tier talent available...we never sink low enough in the draft to get a
superstart (dwill is it)..so what do you do? Build your team around decent..not
great guys and win games.You have hits and misses...
Brandon... Not to pick nits... but Paul has been paid closer to $800,000/yr. I
agree he deserves a bonus, and it's very nice of Portland to be willing to pay
it for us. I think if Jazz make a decision from their heart they'll match for
Paul If they make a decision from a balance sheet he's gone. If it's a
question of going deep into the playoffs this season... ..Depends on how good
the basketball geniuses employed by the Jazz evaluate his upside. Paul is ahead
of Malones record at this point in his career.. and will get paid more too.
Millsap's people got him a great deal. He gets a great payday whether Utah
matches or not. So why does Simmons have to spill this vitriol about the Jazz
in the media? The deal is done, and this guy is spending effort for no reason
whatsoever.Anderson Varejao?! Simmons *wishes* that he could take
the Jazz for the kind of highway robbery that Varejao and Fegan are committing
against the Cavs. Sorry, man, your client signed a contract stating he'd be a
restricted free agent at the end of it. Yes, it's probably nerve-racking. Deal
with it. Ask David Lee if he's happy that inferior players are getting nice
paydays while he sits there emptyhanded. It's not his team's fault.
Simmons talks like this is a done deal! He talks as if the jazz have wronged
millsap for paying him so little in the past. He talks about a guy who was
drafted in the 2nd round without many takers out of college, like he is a
perennial all-star. hes a great back up whos proven he can put up good numbers
in the first unit for half a season. jazz did the right thing in assessing his
value, milsap did the right thing in seeking an offer. simmons needs to learn
how negotiating works. it is clear that the jazz value paul, or they would not
be moving boozer. its a numbers game and everyone knows the jazz never showthere
cards till the last minute. finally, so many players w/ pauls talent are drafted
into the wrong situation and never even make it this far. as much as the jazz
should value milsap,likewise simmons should recognize that paul very likely
would not be in this situation if the jazz hadnt been the team to draft him in
the first place!
Has anyone said that Millsap earned less that $300,000 a year the last couple of
years. 19 double doubles in a row,(an unheard of feat)and he was one of the
least paid players in the league, let alone the lowest on the Jazz. So would
$10 million up front sound good to you? This is the first real money that
Millsap will have in his bank account. I think he has earned it, and deserves
it, but his uncle hasn't done anything but run his mouth. Millsap should hustle
and gag him.
You complain endlessly about Sloan yet he has taken his team twice to the NBA
finals and would have won twice if it not were for THE BEST player ever named
Jordan.You complain he can't develop talent and yet the Thunder
offered decent money for CJ last year. Portland offers big money for Millsap
this year. Who can argue that Brewer has not panned out and developed well
(except for his jumpshot--arm issue). Deron Williams has turned out fairly well
also.Strange we have so many teams that want all the players that
you claim Sloan has not developed.Last season basically everyone
believed we had a decent shot to contend. Injuries decimated the team and
prevented that. We still were talking about a chance at a 2nd seed with 10
games to go in the season!! Even with all the injuries to our key star
players.Sloan may not be the best but he is obviously top tier of
what is available.Many of you ignorant fans immediately equate
trades with improving. What they are is "attempts" to get better that
statistically more often than not do NOT work.
would be the logical choice to replace Sloan. Not only does he know the
strengths and weaknesses of the Sloan system but he knows those of every other
system. He had to run or defend against every system out there and he knows them
in a way (from playing) that Sloan does not. He is smarter than
Sloan. He will demand defense and intensity from the players or he will replace
them quickly. He is less likely to over pay. He should be more flexible and
adaptable than Sloan. He will go for the juggler of other teams quickly instead
of ignoring opportunities and insisting on continuity. If it is not working it
will get fixed quickly.Sloan is only part of the problem but he is a
big problem. He will get you into the playoffs and that type of security is
seductive to management. The probability of him winning a championship without
changing his ways and enough players is like winning the lottery.Greg seems to be serious about winning. Doing it Sloan's way will financially
break the Jazz.Millsap is not worth 2 years of luxury tax. It will
prevent the team from good players.
At the end of last year, teams were disrupting the PG play and preventing the
Jazz from getting into their sets. I am not sure but Millsap's lack of skill and
Boozer being less than 100% may have been a factor. However, if the
problem is in the PG and not the PF how do the Jazz fix that major problem? The Jazz seem to be fixated on paying the luxury tax for a mediocre team
when they should be making the changes necessary to fix years worth of problems
plus this new problem. There is something wrong with the Jazz
organization. They focus on the wrong problems and refuse to address their real
weaknesses. They delude themselves by insisting that "continuity" will solve the
very real problems that have been intractable for years.What is
wrong with the Jazz? Why can't they address the real weaknesses instead of
pretending that they will go away by doing the same thing over again?Organizations have personalities just like people. Some have dysfunctional
personalities. The Jazz are very competent in some aspects but they seem schizophrenic (divorced from reality) in others. Who is
responsible for making a better team?
criteria. Instead of being worried about the luxury tax or being able to move
Boozer or if it is a good deal, we should evaluate the following;1.
How does the defense get improved without sacrificing the offense? What players
can be replaced/added under the tax who will solve this problem?2.
How to solve the back to backs? Is this a player problem or a coaching problem?
Even with depth Sloan will still not alter his rotations to win the second game.
3. How to get a winning road record? This seems to be a leadership
problem both in coaching and the players. It also require a different approach
to the game, intense defense and scoring with fewer fouls. The team
is a system. Changing a player or two may make some difference. Changing the
coach would make a great difference.
"We want everybody back," Jazz coach Jerry Sloan said. "We think if we can keep
everybody healthy and learn how to do some things a little bit better after
being together for a year or so, hopefully that will help us become a better
team."80 million plus luxury tax penalties for a team that can't
contend. How does Sloan fix the defense? A healthy Boozer does not
do that. How does Sloan fix the back to back problems. He won't change his
rotations and use his depth so why overpay Millsap? How does Sloan fix the bad
road record? The Sloan philosophies like "continuity", "talk only
defense", "rigid rotations" and "veteran biases" plus over paying are why the
Jazz will never get a ring no matter how much they pay. Keep
drinking the Sloan "snake oil" it will cure all of the problems. There will be injuries and there is no reason to believe Sloan has any
solutions to the above problems that have been obvious for years.Don't destroy the Jazz by signing Millsap. He can be replaced. The market is
dropping. Stay out of debt.Change coaches and get a championship.
Ya'll just got pritch-slapped by the master. Very toxic offer. Here is the deal.
To dear paul: the blazers had 9 million in cap room and wanted to make a good
deal, that isn't financial irresponsibility, it is in fact the smartest thing
the blazers could do. you guys shoul seriously let millsap go, trade or keep
boozer for a year. just let ol' paul go. The only downside is how good the
division rivals in portland are going to be. He adds so much versatility to
their lineups. plus, potland is the slowest offensive team in the league (for
those of you who don't know) so millsap's big body will help with rebounding and
so much more. Their smallball with millsap will still be a huge body. This is
seriously perfect for portland so get scared all you fans here in Utah.
Has there ever been a more obnoxious agent? The comparison of salaries between
varejao marion and millsap makes me think millsap is getting overpaid, for what
millsap does--you're not suppossed to pay that much for hustle, marion can drive
and score and varejao is bigger than millsap, a better defender, better scorer,
fouls less, has a better jump shot and makes less mistakes. Talking about the
player you represent is one thing, but his uncle has insulted jazz managment and
fans--not just by saying the jazz dropped the ball when they literally had their
hands tied behind their backs, but by proposing that the jazz were trying to go
cheap on millsap, and creating hype that millsap has the same kind of impact as
varejao and marion, which isn't the case. Seven mill a year which the jazz
offered is the high end of millsaps worth, midlevel is what he would've gotten
from any other team that wasn't trying to punk the jazz. His uncle talks like
the jazz owe millsap, the jazz gave him his chance, developed him, and then
offered a good contract-and his uncle talks like there isn't loyalty?
@ Steve-OI obviously had a brain lapse. How could I forget Kirilenko
when discussing a lack of financial flexibility? Thanks for keeping me on my
With the Luxury Tax added in it will cost the Jazz $42 million to retain him,
almost all of the experts say he's worth about $24 million that's $18 million
he' overpriced, don't tell me you can't get a Chris Bosh or Brandon Roy to move
to Utah for an extra $18 million. Compare them to Millsap, No Contest. If we pay
him the money and get rid of Boozer we will be worse than last year and still in
a financial mess for years to come with no hope for a Championship type team.
I can't understand you Jazz fans. Millsap, for 3 years, was the lowest-paid
player on the team. Yet, he was one of the most productive. Now that he's gotten
a great offer, you turn on him at the drop of a hat. You wouldn't be in this
position had Boozer opted out like he threatened (promised?). When you compare
the two players, who is the better value? Clearly, Paul Millsap. He's much more
valuable to the Jazz than Varajeo is to the Cavs, yet the contract Millsap
signed with the Blazers isn't even worth as much as Varajeo's new one. The Jazz
should eat the luxury tax for one year; if they can't trade Boozer, then let him
walk after next year. Millsap averaged 16 and 10 as a starter, and entering the
prime of his career, he'll only get better as a full-time starter. Plus, he's
durable. Millsap is a major player in Utah's future. They can't afford not to
match Portland's offer.
Simmons is a horrible agent. My opinion of Paul is actually going downhill
because of Simmon's comments. Simmons needs some PR courses for sure. His
comments to the media are far from professional. If the Jazz let Paul go, I
won't be too dissappointed. I don't think he has proven himself to be worth the
money Portland is offering. If Paul turns out to be an all-star in the next few
years, then the Jazz will look dumb. If he turns out to be a hustle role player
type, like he has been in the past, then I think he will be getting overpaid.
I'd put his fair market value around $6kk/year. Sorry Paul, you're a great role
player, but you will not take Portland to the next level.
Boozer is NOT a franchise player either.maybe a complementary player
at best.and CERTAINLY NOT a dominant big man,not even a
mediocre defensive player.Millsap is just a nice mediocre player,
and you DO NOT give BIG money to supporting cast.
Some of the people pouring out their sorrow over Millsap and his contract
desires need to invest in a punching bag or some sort of therapy. "Good
riddance, get out of town you greedy player" and other sentiments reflect that
too much of their energy is invested in the offseason transactions of the
Jazz.I'm a die hard fan, but ultimately, the NBA is a business, and
if the Jazz decided to just let some other team swoop in and offer a lucrative,
front-loaded contract that they can't match, well, that's their own fault; they
shouldn't have short-changed him if they were that serious about keeping him.
I sincerely doubt a single one of you "good riddance" people would
sing the same tune if a competitor swooped in and offered you a year's salary
payable within a week of starting your job.I for one am not worried;
the Jazz either have a large amount of money rolling off the cap next summer or
they retain Millsap's services. So take a few breaths and take CJ's advice to
Millsap and "find something else to do."
Simmons can't you see the logic of the scenerio, Utah has the right to match,
now how can the Jazz match something if there's nothing to match? now you are
saying the Jazz should have made the initial move? that can happen but if not,so
what?.. I know Paul's agent is his uncle but "hired another agent please!"
any trade/acquisition. Blame him not KOC. I am not sure KOC is the best GM
available but he is really a water boy. Sloan and L Miller made all of the
decisions. That is why the Jazz don't make the changes they need and why they
over pay back ups like Harp, GG, and AK. Sloan is still running
things so we will see if the new Jazz management are dumb enough to over pay
Millsap. That is the primary reason this team will never win a
championship. Sloan hates change and won't make necessary changes to win.
by buying a lot of draft picks, developing them, keeping the best and trading
the rest. They also trade the best when they become to expensive. If
the Jazz were better at developing young talent they should follow the POR
strategy. 2nd round picks are relatively cheap. The Jazz should have moved up
and got Blair before SA did. That is what really bothers me about the Jazz. They
are too passive and get zapped from time to time because the can't or won't be
more proactive. Create you own luck instead of waiting for something
to happen (usually bad). Where is the leadership for the Jazz organization?
I don't see why the Millsap camp is so upset. RFA's get offers from other teams,
and the orginal team can match it. Its always been that way. Why make a high
offer, when we couldn've waited until the offseason to do so? Millsap is good,
no doubt.. But that's it. He is undersized like Boozer, and we still don't have
a defensive center. Booz put up great #'s during the season, but struggles
against twin towers(which every contender in the West has) I hate to say it, but
we're going to be the same team, with or without Millsap. The playoff teams all
put the smaller guy on the perimeter with Okur, and give our power forward a
Sorry about youre luck Jazz fans.KP has youre management over the barrel,
either you pony up way to much or you lose one of youre best players. The sad
part about it is the Jazz build through the draft and what a steal Millsap was
to land in the second round. I feel for you guys being a Blazer fan because
Portland isn't a huge free agent gathering place either. But you're management
has one thing wrong.Millsap will find plenty of minutes being that Aldridge
likes to float around the outside he could play sf against slower bigger
sf.Mcmillan really likes Paul too. I can asure you he'll find him minutes for
Paul, aldridge and Oden with Priz coming in as the enforcer.THat will be the
most dominating frontline,starters and bench.
Two faced KOC cannot figure why Portland would pay a backup over 6 mill a
year, oh please KOC you pay our AK backup 16-17 million a year and that is for
one backup not 3 or 4 of them. You pay another backup in excess of 5 million
and he cannot play over half the season yet Matt tries hard so we reward him.
Paying Millsap 8 million a year is a bargain based upon YOUR performance.If you wanted Millsap then you could have had him in negotiations, now
you have created hard feelings.You are the designer of the team and
now we are going to toss Boozer out with the bathwater because you cannot do
your job. Just make sure to replace him for 12 million which YOU may find
challenging seeing you cannot get us backups for less than an average of
$9,000,000 each.If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen
KOC. Many lesser men could do better.
That should read can't bring a championship. Everything we have seen of Millsap
suggests he is a great back up and can be a starter on an 8th seed. However, he can not carry a championship team. Further, his luxury tax
implications for the next 2 years ruins any chance of getting the players needed
for a championship run. I like Paul. I like winning better. Please
use the money to get the players who can win a championship. There is no hurry.
Wait for the right deals. They will come to you. AK and Koof can
back up Boozer until the right deal is available. They will put up numbers just
as good as Millsap in a back up role. Or go get a cheap promising
back up at PF now for the MLE or under. Or rent a vet like Gooden for a year to
back up. Or trade Harp for a back up PF.The lux tax can be fixed on
the Boozer trade late in the year. That trade and the 2010 FA season are the
future of the Jazz for the next 3-5 years. Get a championship not
"continuity" (same old same).
Here is what Luke Byrnes of Hoopsworld had to say about trading Boozer."Boozer is going into free agency next season so there is going to be a great
deal of reason for Boozer to play hard and play well next year regardless of
what takes place with him and the Jazz before the season tips off. I see Utah
favoring fairly well either way. If Boozer is in a contract year, you have to
be excited about that if you are a Jazz fan. If he is gone, then Utah will have
some other pieces to play with. If Utah is smart, this is a win-win.The key phrase there is "if Utah is smart".Millsap is a nice
player. He is not a franchise player. Go get one and don't waste the money on a
back up. We want a championship and Millsap can bring one!
Wow, Milsap's uncle is just flat out obnoxious. It's hard to sound like a guy
who knows how negotiations should go, when everyone in the world knows he's
never been an agent for anyone before.He's the questionable one...
the bottom line here is the money. if you cant get trade boozer without losing
to much money, then let milsap go. boozer will looking for a similiar contract
next year and have to show up this coming. let him go after next year, and then
rebuild. if boozer stays he is going to have to play defense or his next
contract wont be near as good.
What professional athletes get to play is a crime. They make more in a
year than 10 people make in a life time. I have always maintained that the best
player on a team should get no more than 2 or 3 million and the
least l million. If they can't live on that then they can quit and find a job
in the work place like everyone else and see how much they can make there. I
love sports but ALL professional sports are out of control.
Groundshog DayMillsap Starting were 16 and 10 in 31. His contract
averages at 8 million a year. Memo and Okur as your starting lineup
the Jazz won over 60% of their games - including 8 out of their last 10. This
was their first season togetherAs far as anyone saying Millsap is
signing this contract because Millsap hates the Jazz. You are crazy. Portland
knew if they offered him an 8 million a year salary the Jazz would match. This
was the only way they would offer him a contract - Portland would only offer him
a contract if there was a signing bonus. Millsap Agent did fine for him. He
got him a 10 million dollar signing bonus - after 3 years in the league where
Millsap only earned a combined 2.5. The Jazz would be crazy to not to sign
Millsap. His contract (when he is in his absolute prime (25 thru 27) The
contract is between 6.8 to 7.5 million a year. 16 and 10 as a starter. You
have to be crazy not to want him at that price. Absolutely nuts. This would be
the biggest mistake in the history of the Jazz
@ re: wonderingThanks for your math! Paul,Thank you so much for your contributions to us getting the healthcare we
deserve. I work in healthcare and have the insight and knowledge to realize
that all the people who come into my emergency department without insurance are
actually costing us taxpayers billions of dollars a year! I hope you can somehow
live with the two million a year left-over post taxes. I know that I might
struggle only getting that much.That being said, I am a huge fan of
yours. Your hustle and determination should be imitated by everyone that puts
on a professional basketball uniform. However, you are not worth that much
money. I hope you have a great career in Portland. I don't know how the Jazz
can justify paying you that much money when far superior players like Ariza,
Artest, and Marion are getting paid less than you.Adios amigo y
buena suerte! You will be missed.
KJI agree with what you said. You just forgot to mention one more
Jazz GM blunder... AK's salary!
This is as clear a case of agents working AGAINST the best interests of the
player as you're going to find. I'll bet the agents don't even understand the
intricate details of cap space, trades, and luxury tax and think that Portland
is offering Millsap all that money strictly because Millsap is a decent player
and hustles and has earned it.The truth is that Portland is playing
a risky, high-stakes game based not on how much they need or want Millsap, but
rather to take away something their enemy the Jazz has clearly stated they
wanted. It's a no-lose for Portland - either they get a backup PF for a million
or two more than he's worth, or they stick the Jazz with having $10 to $12
million more than he's worth. What most people don't recognize is that these
off-season maneuvers with restricted free agents are as much about not helping
(or hurting) the other teams as they are about helping your own team, ESPECIALLY
when one team has cap space (Portland) and the other doesn't (Utah). Be smart
and let him go, Jazz.
I love the "rich owner vs. poor owner" argument some are trying to make. Get
with the program people, because of the salary-cap strucuture it doesn't matter
how much more money Paul Allen has comapared to the Millers. No team can sign
free agents (FAs who haven't played on their team) unless they have money under
the cap or unless they use the mid-level exception, and obviously Portland's
offer to Milsap exceeds the MLE, so they're far enough under the cap to make
such an offer. In other words, stop blaming Paul Allen's bloated checkbook and
stop blaming their GM for smartly rebuilding and giving themselves the financial
flexibility to make a play for FAs. Instead, blame your own team's management
for putting all of their money into three guys (Okur, D-Will, Boozer) who can't
and won't bring a championship to Utah, while simulatansously eradicating any
financial flexibility the could have.
It's really sad that you can't see your role in this whole mess. Right off, you
put the Jazz in a bad position with your talk of $10 million a year or getting
at least as much as Lee. If the Jazz had made the offer you're now trashing
them for not making, they would have insulted you and Paul because the offer
would have been less than that $10 million bar you set. So they do the honorable
thing and tell you to go get an offer they can match, and you go and get a great
offer, and now you're whining about how the Jazz blew it? No, sirs, YOU blew it
with your talk of $10 million. I respect Paul and love his game and I respect
how you've helped him over the years, but I think the Jazz should let him go to
Portland so THEY can have the cap pressure. Look at how Okur and DWill and
Korver's agents handle things - that's the model you should follow, not the "me
first" or chest-thumping model.
Millsap's uncle!! Millsap is going to be stuck on the bench with no starter
position in sight and Utah is goig to lose booz anyway. But at least Unc. gets
paid. Come on Paul. Do you not realize that this would have been your team with
D-Will in a year?
in the long run if they don`t match,I really want to see what Koufos has,and if
we keep Paul around,Koufos and Fes will continue to rot on the bench,maybe AK
will beef-up a bit and return to his old self,I`ll take my chances with the team
we have,Williams,Korver/Brewer/AK or Boozer,and Memo with Koufos first off the
bench,let`s see once and for all what`s he`s got
on POR. He is no better than Boozer in the PR department and not loyal to the
Jazz or the fans. Boozer makes his own dumb comments. Millsap pays his uncle to
say far worse. I really do not care about the PR mistakes. I want a
championship team. The PF position is crucial to that and neither Boozer nor
Millsap can deliver. Get over Millsap and go get the right PF even
if it takes a year. Get a decent back up for now a 5 mill or less. The Jazz will
get better not worse. The worst thing is to keep Millsap and give
away Boozer. The Jazz will be paying lux tax for a weaker team. How
dumb is that?Both Boozer and Millsap are replaceable parts. What is
wrong with the Jazz. Are they incapable of making good smart moves that will
improve the team? They know Millsap is inadequate. He is like a
childs favorite toy. Grow up and let go and get something better.
KOC is right about why would we bid against ourselves.You offer him
7M per..Portland offers 9M..then you have to match the 9MNBA is a
business and I think loyalty isn't really held in high regard. Players are
commodities. You want the best value for production.BTW...CJ Miles
had to wait a FULL WEEK for $16M from the Jazz. Wow...how rough can you get?
Get paid $4M per year to play 15 mins a night! Anymore and you get tired...Why
don't we trade him for 2 ball boys from Chicago and call it even.
This deal isn't that bad other than the first year. The 2nd and 3rd years are
in the 6 Millions! I thought Greg Miller said he'd be willing to go into
the luxury tax for Millsap. I say just pay the buttload of money the first year
and pay the tax for ONE year. Then after next season that contract is cake. We
can dump Harpring's salary and Boozer will 100% be gone by then. This is a no
brainer for me. The Jazz have been benefitting from the luxury tax in the
past. They got three million out of it just last season. So just pay it one
year... even if it's a lot, and then everything will be fine.
It seems to me that Milsap needs to start thinking for himself. I think he
wants to stay in Utah even if he were paid less, but his uncle and others
surrounding him are pushing him around. You are the player Paul! You are the
one making the money, not them!I also agree with a previous comment
about AK. As soon as he got paid, he stopped playing as well. How many times
do we see that happen to a player like Milsap. He has fought his way up to a
decent paycheck, but as soon as that money starts rolling in, the fight is over.
It is a sad story, but a common one. I would be surprised if Milsap's stats
went up next season regardless of which team he is on.
Millsap is good, but not worth quite that much. Portland is just trying to
stick it to the Jazz because they know the Jazz have to match it.(why else would
they pay that much for a back up!) What goes around comes around Portland, watch
us let you keep him and prevent you from playing the free agent market next year
This fascinating offer from Portland is not an attempt to get Millsap--a good
backup--it is an attempt to mess with the Jazz. Portland can afford to make
crazy offers.On the other hand, Millsap's people have made a much
worse deal for their player than they thought they would make. He's getting
much less than the $50 mil they wanted.Do they really think he's
better than Shawn Marion?But the deal is clearly vindictive.
Millsap's people want the Jazz to lose tons of money that Millsap himself will
not make. Brilliant job.Talk about a stupid way to keep a good
relationship with a potential employer.This is not business; it's
personal.I hope Millsap is happy playing 15 minutes per game in
Portland. I hope his gimpy knee lasts the season. I hope he disappears in the
playoffs like he did for the Jazz.
One side knows it, the other side is finding out. Forget the "dissing" that
Millsap's uncle is spouting. The Jazz will make a deal they think
will benefit the team (meaning ownership who pays the bills and gets paid). Of
course, the Boozer trade wasn't all that great years back, but there's always
With Memo and Millsap as our front line we are signing a 4 year GUARANTEED deal
for MEDIOCRITY!!There is not a snowballs chance in you know where
that we will get past the 1st or 2nd round of any playoff series with and even
more undersized PF (than Boozer) and a soft Okur.This offseason is
just a joke!!GET A REAL BIG OR GO HOME!!!!!!
Paul plays in the NBA. NBA players get paid a lot of money. Why should he be
labled as greedy for wanting to get paid in his field of choice.
His agent acts like he is his dad...he takes it way too personal. Just good
business by the Jazz. They shouldn't expect the Jazz to hand out 40 million
like it is monopoly money. If it were me, I would let Millsap walk. I hope he
enjoys his 10 to 15 minutes per game of playing time.
Our potential front line.A short/undersized 6'7" Millsap and 6'11"
SOFT Okur.This is the future of our franchise? Going up
Nowitski/DampierThis just a few in the W.Conference...never mind the
East.Who honestly believes our future front line has a shot to
CONSISTENTLY defeat these Bigger/Longer/Tougher front-lines?Fire
Kevin O'Conner NOW!!!!Unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat by
trading Carlos Boozer for a long/tall "real" big and lets Millsap go, then he is
sealing this teams place MIRED in mediocrity for years to come.What
a pathetic GM!!!!!
Best comments of all - true and well put. Also, Let Him Walk's comment
above is accurate - DWill, Okur, and Millsap as your Big 3 is not good enough.
My own point: The biggest mistake the Jazz have ever made was pointlessly
paying AK max money - that is really why we are in this mess. And, everyone
forgets that the Jazz elected to do this to keep AK happy - not because his
contract was up or that someone else was offering him money - they were fools
for not waiting "for the market to be set."
In spite of the front loading, matching Millsap's contract is a no-brainer. The
annual salaries are only around 6.5 mill a year, a real bargain for a player
with Millsap's skill set. Basically, for the price of Matt Harpring, we get a
young, improving player that contributes greatly to the success of the team.
Don't blow this decision Jazz management!
Why would the Jazz set a value and negotiate against themselves? This is a
business. I love Milshap but his agent is just posturing. The whole "my
feelings are hurt" or I am not given any respect is shallow at best. Utah gave
Milshap his start and he came through for them. He will get his just reward one
way or the other. The Jazz have every right to see what other teams feel his
market value is before making an offer. There is little loyalty either way in
the NBA so there shouldn't be any suprsie by the way this plays out.
Yeah, Simmons needs a reality check. He can't alienate the fans from Millsap,
but he sure is trying.
Your question of how much money do they really get paid, taking into account
taxes and agent fees?The max federal tax rate is about 36%.The
max Utah state tax rate is about 4%.The standard agency fee is 6%.The collective bargaining agreement NBA fee is 8%.So the total of
withholding is 54%.So in reality, that 10+ million up front is
really about 4.6+ million up front.His so called 36 million dollar
contract over four years is really 16.56 million dollars over four years, or
4.14 million dollars per yer.AND IF YOU COUNT IN OBAMA'S NEW
TAXES... The new max tax rate will be 40%, and a 20% surcharge tax
on millionares, will add 24% taken out from the contract. So the
total taken out of his check will be 78%!!!His 36 million dollar
contract over four years will yield 7.92 million dollars, or 1.98 million
dollars per yer.So all of you so people calling him greedy? He is
just preparing for paying your "FREE" health care.You should thank
him, not chastise him!!!
This Simmons guy sounds like he's walking around with a torch ready to burn any
bridge he can. He sounds to me like a guy who is desperate and out of his
league. I understand any agent will try to get all the money they can for their
guy and that's what he wants but the difference between a professional and Uncle
Rico here is how you go about getting that money. Lesson #1, get the fans on
your side!!! That always increases your value. Simmons hasn't done anything to
help in the #1 category of selling Millsap. Millsap was a lot better off before
this guy started flapping off.
the thing i look @ is paul has been getting underpaid for 3 years so in my
opinion it equals out!!!! congrats to paul for earning this deal i have met him
in person & he is a standup guy for sure.
1) Jazz were clear throughout that they valued Millsap and would do everything
possible to match any offers. How is this disrespectful? They should have
offered a "fair" contract right off the bat? And what is "fair"?
$10million/year that Millsap's agent was asking for?2) Millsap has
never even started an entire season. When he did start for extended period of
time, his production declined with wear and tear. "Energy" guys are great off
the bench but hard to maintain every game for an entire season.3)
Brandon Bass turned down Portland's offer to take less money from Orlando. Why?
Because he wanted playing time that he wouldn't get playing behind Aldridge and
Oden. That says something about Bass. That says something about Millsap.
would be ok shipping into utah/sloan? big baby - said yes, tyrus thomas - maybe,
chris bosch - wishful thinking, david lee - no way. so many nba player bios list
hobbies as "shopping & partying;" the only way utah works for most free agents
is in a virtual reality game.
There is no fire in the belly in the Jazzland corporate office. Larry H. Miller
kept it alive by his personal interest and management style. He was in the
middle of everything it seems. Now, with him gone, the fire is out. Greg has
other options when they come around, and it seems that it is not running an
overpaid basketball team. Wait and see. Poggee is right. Capital preservation is
what it is about. Sanity will rule when Sloan retires. Right now, it is all
about Sloan. We are in the process of serving up the third and last of a series
of retirement dinners.
Millsap and his uncle should go away...he's a second round draft pick that has
improved his play...he will never be a true impact player...just a nice
NBA player...he doesn't have the skill set to be dominant player
Let him go, get rid of Boozer and get someone who can actually help D-Will win a
championship. I really don't think a team with the main players being D-Will,
Okur and Millsap inspires much confidence for the future. The Jazz have to get
someone else who has some size (sorry Millsap) on defense and can carry some of
the offensive burden.
Yes it is a business, does greed ever stop? I want all of your money regardless
of where you are in the cap issuses, I don't care if there is any for my other
teamates, I care only about ME! This attitude in these times my friends will end
this tremendous climb the NBA has enjoyed the past 20 years. They get network
contracts, who pays for the advertising? Right the fans and even non fans, they
get new arenas-who pays for that- right the fans and citizens again, they sell
junks clothing and sports items- who pays for that- right the fans again, the
players sign endorsement contracts- who pays for that - right the fans and
citizens. When is enough - enough? 75% of these primma-donnas didn't even excell
in the free educations they recieved and now they want all of this money because
they wear a JOCK? Give me a break!
Lunch Meat The Jazz can only offer the Mid Level exception to David Lee -
trust me when I say New York will match that. There is not a team in the NBA
who wouldn't match a player who averaged 16 point and 10 rebounds a games for a
season at 5.5 million a year. Not one. Second THE JAZZ ARE NOT
GOING TO BE A FREE AGENT PLAYER NEXT OFF SEASON - as soon as they offered Okur
an extention - 10 million was added to the books the Jazz salary went to 48
million next season (that is only 10 million under the projected salary cap -
which is way too low to get Bosh.) Also the Jazz have a first round draft pick,
and Ronnie Brewer resigns - really the salary will be full and the Jazz will
only have the Mid Level Exception. Millsap Agent did fine - He is
getting a 10 million dollar signing bonus. How can anyone say he is a bad
agent. The Jazz offered around 5 years 35 million but now they will have to pay
4 extra million over 4 year. They Will Trade Boozer of a contract under 5
This Simmons guy needs to tone it down. He seems to think this is personal. Good
for Paul. He got a great offer. More than anyone expected. That is how it works
now whether you're a basketball player or an accountant. But to make this an
attack on the Jazz just because they didn't offer all star money is childish and
inappropriate. Perhaps they should let Paul go just so they don't have to deal
with this idiot anymore.
The collective bargining agreement should be modified to prevent deep pockets
guys like Paul Allen (Microsoft founder and Blazers owner) from being able to
front-end load a contract offer and thus make it 'toxic' to a team with NOT so
deep pockets.Something here seems decidely unfair.
There are other options available out there. It's not like Millsap is a team
changer! He is a backup. Don't waste the money on him. Let him enjoy the pine
in Portland while he spends his money. Let the youngsters play this year and
give Jerry time to evaluate the long term potential of Fes Koufus CJ Maynor etc.
With Dwill Brewer, Korver, AK and Memo we are still a playoff team without
Millsap, harpring and boozer.
Wake up people. Due to Boozer opting in the Jazz were in a financial mess with
Millsap. They couldn't just go out there and set his value. They didn't have
any money to work with. On top of that, with the recession, no one has been
getting tons of money thrown at them. Simmons was asking for 10 million. Does
he not remember that? This uncle is not too bright. He is the one who forced
the Jazz to let someone else set the market because he already priced the Jazz
out of the market with his demands. Marion is a much more rounded player than
Paul. Don't compare the two. If Paul is so hurt then go to Portland and sit on
the bench because you really don't want to play basketball if you are willing to
be a bench player. Seems like it is all about the money for Paul.
Does anyone remember how hard and full of energy Kirilenko used to play BEFORE
he got the big payday? I hope Milsap dumps his bonehead uncle and ends up back
here with the Jazz.
I like Milsap... his agents comments are stupid. I say trade Boozer for
Hinrich... Sign Dwight Gooden to Mid level exception... let Portland live with
This whole negotiation senario is car sales 101, if you don't think Jazz
management and the Millers know how to make money and get everything they can,
you haven't bought a car lately. I think they have years of experience in
negotiation and some people buy and some don't but Larry Miller Inc. always
finds a way to make money.
Wow!! I have never seen such cheap car salesman nonsense talk. Get some class or
at least a better argument. I hope they realize how ridiculous they sound.
Portland Millsap. I think the Jazz undervalued you and apparently, Portland
thinks you are will be a great with their program. 10 millions up front is not
a bad deal at all...
First and foremost, I want you to stay more than anything right now. If the Jazz
match, please be happy and move on. Having said that, you have to understand one
thing here. The Jazz are the jazz. They are probably the most responsible
franchize in the NBA when it comes to money. You have to understand that. Look
at teams like Portland...Where were they 3 years ago? In the TOILET...These
teams that make lucrative offers obviously have no discipline. I understand that
it is hard to walk away from a huge offer like that. But you also have to
realize what its worth to be on a stable franchise like the Jazz.. Not many
players experience that. Let the Jazz take their time and do it their way and
then you should be happy either way. Don't worry....if Booz hadn't opted in, we
probably wouldnt be having this conversation.
Jazz fans please start looking at the big picture here. Let Milsap go, keep
Boozer and let him go after this year and then make a run at some big names next
year (especially Chris Bosh ).Think about it, we make a few sacrifices
this year to solidify the franchise for years to come. In 2010 we pick up a
solid free agent, we get the Knicks pick and we start building for the future.
Let Milsap go, he's a decent forward in a mediocre free agent market
class, don't waste the money like you did with Kirilenko. P.S. - If you
are going to throw that much money out there, do it for David Lee, he's better
than Milsap anyways.
I have always wondered how much money these players who sign for all these
millions, really receive? For instance a player signs a $50 million contract
over 5 years, how much do they get to keep and how much goes to Uncle?My bet is that they pay in excess of 50% to the government. Can anyone help?
Simmons is an idiot. He said MARION NEVER GOT A REBOUND FOR YOU. Marion was a
damn good player who could rebound, score and play good defense. Look what
happened to Phoenix when he left. He was also a starter on a damn good team.
Milsap addmitted himself that he broke down during the season. As soon as free
agency started, Simmons was boasting about Paul deserving 10 million a year.
All Simmons could think about was his commission. All Jazz fans like Milsap
but, if you overpay for a player it comes back to haunt you. The Jazz were
reluctant to make an offer because Simmons was telling everyone he was worth 10
million a year. Look at Bass, he signed for a lot less and is going to be a
starter for a team that played in the finals. Congratulations Paul you were
able to get more than you were worth and Portland made a stupid mistake.Please Jazz do not Match. Sign Wilcox and Dwill will make you a star.
They aren't alienating me. This is just a part of the business side on the NBA.
Before any one becomes to excited about the HBA they need to recognize that
first and foremost it is a business. It is not about the fans, it is about
money. Anyone in business knows that playing the "game" is a part of life.
Milsap and his agents and the Jazz can say whatever they want. If Milsap comes
back I'll cheer for him. If he doesn't, then he doesn't. You can't blame him for
getting all that he can get.
So Millsap is greedy you say? All the Jazz had to do was make a fair offer when
the signing period started and Millsap would have signed. Instead the Jazz told
Millsap to go out and try to get an offer from another team and they would match
it. So Millsap did what the Jazz wanted him to do. I don't see why it's
Millsap's fault that the offer he received from Portland was more the Utah was
willing to pay. The Jazz wanted to let another team set the price and now the
price has been said. I honestly believe that Paul wants to stay in Utah, but he
was told to go out and find an offer and that Utah would match. Sounds to me
like he went out and did exactly what Utah told him to do.
number 1 his agent' uncle took him off the football field and taught him basket
ball. so now he is getting paid for his hard work too. number 2 everything he
said is true. they told the jazz they had a offer sheet and give them the chance
to match it. jazz could have signed him long tme ago for 7 mil but offered i mi.
and just like them ;fans should be upset but they threw him under the bus along
with his uncle and boz. and you think he should show up with a smile.i would
call them and tell them please dont match i dont want to be here.
With all due respect to DeAngelo and Anonymous(that's not much), Paul needs to
hire more competent representatives. I don't know DeAngelo personally, but he
talks like he has no business sense. The Jazz were unwilling to overbid. That
makes good business sense. They indicated their strong interest in, and respect
for, Paul early and often. They simply do not want to overpay. DeAngelo indicated early that they were expecting ~10M / year. He was
obviously delerious. The market has now been set for Paul. It's approx 7.7M
per year (spread the 5.6M over 4 years and add it to his base salary).His other rep (Ana?) talks like this was a potential prom date and Paul's
disappointed. Paul need to be taught about business. He can't be disappointed
in the Jazz's desire to only pay market value. It's a business. Paying market
value provides more $ to pay other talent which increases his ability to win a
championship.Paul, take a line from the Donald and tell DeAngelo
and Ana ... YOUR FIRED!As a Jazz fan, I want you to be a Jazz man
next year. I hope the Jazz pony-up
I agree....the NBA is a business nothing personal. The Jazz don't want to cross
that luxury tax threshold well guess what, other teams in the NBA have already
fortified their positions and already on the luxury tax bracket. Jazz are so
cheeaaapppp!!! Jazz won't be able to make the playoffs if they don't take the
risks! oh and also Greg Miller is not a true bball fan he's waiting on the wings
to sell this team once he gets the right offer coz' right now Jazz is a losing
business. Can you hear it? Seattle couldn't wait to buy this team....for all
you Jazz fans, the Jazz team days in Utah are numbered!!! marked my words.
Yes, the NBA is a business. But a big part of business, as I am sure you know,
is PR and at least trying to appear diplomatic. Simmons is beginning to
irritate me to no end with his ranting and crying. The Jazz made it very clear
how they intended to proceed and if they had no interest in Millsap they would
not be trying to ship Boozer out of here. So please Simmons, shutty with the
The Jazz have to get rid of high money-low value guys such as AK. To have your
highest paid player, a non physical stick with an inner 3 year old child's
temperament, sitting the bench, makes no sense. If you sign Milsap and let
Boozer go on a sign (extension) and trade, you are then depending on a guy who
has never come close to showing he is worth that kind of money and can be
depended on to led the team. What was his scoring average when Boozer was
hurt??????? Not very great, do you think he's going to blossom into a Julius
Irving or Magic Johnson if given the start? Fat chance. You have Bosh next year
coming out who will be ideal. Let Portland overpay, get rig of #47, keep Boozer,
and next year get Bosh and a hot shooting @ guard, Utah drafts
grrrrrrrrr................almond boo what a waste.
Simmons is a family member and it obviously is difficult for him to separate the
business from the personal so why didn't Kevin O'connor adjust to that? Maybe
Milsap is right. Why should others be setting his value for the Jazz. The Jazz
could have made an offer. If Milsap could beat that offer with another team the
Jazz still had the option to match. That obviously is how the Milsaps wanted it
to go down - I don't see much wrong with that.
Good bye. The Jazz will be better off without Milsap. Cut payroll. Trade
Boozer. Draft and trade for some real players next year and build for the
Simmons is 100% correct. Millsap should get the money he has earned. Millsap for
basically 8M a year is a bargain. Now 13+ for Boozer is a crime.
The NBA may be a business, but there is one rule in the business world. It
would be, don't involve family in your business deal. They will screw it up.
In this case, screw him up. His so called agents are just "Yes men", and
nothing else. The Jazz allowed him to assess his value. Both sides knew that
the Jazz had a lot of scenarios that needed to be weeded out, and still do at
this time. I think the mistake is that Paul needs to tell them to shut up.
Besides, Portland is trying to be a run and gunner, and his game doesn't fit run
and gun. You can't rebound, or play off set offenses, if all your doing is
running, it doesn't work in the playoffs. It would be normal, for the Jazz to
analyze what they can and can't afford. They are a small market team, the
smallest, Portland is slightly bigger. So even with their owner with a bigger
bank account could be shooting his foot, when free agency happens the next 2
Even if the Jazz don't and or can't match Portland's offer consider this. The
Jazz by making a statement that they would match any offer helped Millsap. 1st
any suitors would need to come in big. They did and 2nd it kept him from getting
sent to a not serious team aka thunder or grizz. If the Jazz don't match at
least you will know that they did the kid a favor. always want to keep your own
but at least you get to see one of the better (work ethic wise) kids in the NBA
for a while if not.
Why should Simmons shut his mouth. What he says is true. It amazes me many
Jazz fans don't get it. The NBA is a business!
hmm millsap's picture kinda looks like a mugshot, jailblazers anyone? just
sayin. Never higher your uncle to be your agent jeez. Who's the other rep?
Uncle's friend? Seriously it's fine if you want to help out your family, but
dont give them a job they have no business doing, higher a real agent, they'll
get you more money anyway, they know how to do it.
Wow! Reading previous stories and comments, I thought only Boozer was interested
in getting the most money possible. I thought Saint Paul was all about the
team, not all about the money. Guess maybe that "professional" part of pro
athlete means something after all. Of course Boozer gets verbally beaten up for
taking the most money, while for Saint Paul, it seems to be a different story.
Simmons, shut your mouth. You have been doing what has been in the best
interest for Milsap, or at least that is what you say; and the Jazz are doing
the same thing for themselves. So please end your talk about how the Jazz have
not treated Milsap good.
The agent is greedy. Give him a million per year, as should all players, and
give the rest to students neediing college tuition. The sports world is a
greedy bunch of spoiked brats.
Millsap's agents need to take a few courses in PR. They've promised
Portland that they're about to get a 3-point-shooting, Charles
Barkley-reincarnated player up there. At the same time, they're alienating the
Jazz fanbase and management by their comments here.It might make
more sense to wait until your client leaves Utah to start doing that - DUH!