Apology gladly accepted Todd, with no hard feelings. Actually, I do believe that
the current salary situation is far from ideal. But I really don't see the Jazz
finding a way to move Boozer -- at least not before February's trade dealine
comes close -- and I do think that Portland's offer for Millsap is higher than
he probably warrants at this point in his career. But if the Jazz can match a
four-year offer on CJ Miles based solely on what they hope he can become, they
really need to match on a guy like Millsap who is already showing some good
results on the court as a major contributor. It'll hurt in the short term, but
down the line, it'll pay off.Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!
a cheap version of Millsap with a shot. Millsap rebounds better BB shoots better
and is cheaper. Neither is ideal. Let Millsap go and get the right
What a perfect solution! Inevitably Milsap's stats go down once he gets paid
and that is too much money for him to be coming off the bench. Baby offers a
stronger option for less money and he would fit in well with the Jazz. PLEASE
PLEASE PLEASE make him an offer!
Your right I hate Sloan. I am a Paul Milsap fan so do not buy what you are
selling. I am talking about a financial basis.,I hope to be wrong but Paul
Milsap has along way to go to say he can be the power forward, go to superstar
player. The skill set is short of that at this point.HMMM Jerry got
the Jazz to 6 games vs the bulls, "one play from the title" not exactly. I am
convinced someone like Avery could walk in with these same players and this team
would look a "lot different" and "a lot better"
Todd, you speak like a fan who doesn't understand business. If Big Baby Davis
was truly more valuable than Paul, NBA GM's etc. would be talking about him.
They're not. Paul gets the attention because he's better. Your
hate for Sloan is evident and degrades your credibility to assess other issues.
I don't believe Jerry's perfect (far from it) but who would you find as a
replacement. Jerry came within a play or two against Michael Jordan from
winning an NBA championship, twice. What other available coach has those
credentials.When these other topics come up, please check your
distain for Jerry Sloan at the door. If you want to really get upset
at someone, find out who made the decision to sign AK to a max contract. The
$16.4M that we're paying AK is as hurtful to this franchise as anything we're
discussing. AK is owed $17.8M next year. We wouldn't be having this discussion
if AK were paid market value.Paul, I want you back. Your work
ethic, toughness, and no-nonsense productivity is just what the Jazz need.
Jazz must not let Milsap get away. Still we have no decent shooter and no big
man to keep the middle clean.
Fine, I apologize. I disagreed with many here but remain cordial if that person
has a good take. I am aware you are well known and thought of on these boards
CHuck. People citizens for some time in Utah that are close and loyal to the
Deseret News are relationships that need to be maintained.The fact,
is I would you once in a while to be critical when it calls for it. CHuck, you
cannot be agreeing with how things are going down right now?Few are
and you are too smart for that.
hahaha Big Baby, no way. You could get Lamar Odom for a little more than him.If they let Paul walk (which I think they should) then dump boozer and sign
Odom to a 3 year 7 mil with the 3rd year as a team option.For the same
money I would take Odom over Paul anyday. Odom can play the 3,4 & 5 and no one
is going to say he is small for a PF. Odom only didn't average more points
than milsap last year, but he did average more blocks and assist and he can
spead the floor and bring the ball down.With D-Will, Odom would get 5 more
points a game.Or do the most logical thing and move Okur to PF and
trade Boozer for Tyrus Thomas and a center that can play defence (We might have
one in Koufus, but unless he can get playing time somewhere else Sloan wont give
him a legit chance, if thats the case then get a SG that can shoot with a little
presure) Get some defence, with D-Will and Okur spreading the floor the
offence will come.
Todd, I'm disappointed that you can't respectfully disagree with someone and
feel the need to attack me on an online blog. Take a clue from RV. I too am a
Jazz fan from wayyyy back, not as far back as the NO days -- I'm not that old --
but I was still a fan even in the early rotten years in Utah. I watched this
franchise go from a perennial loser to a perennial playoff power to an NBA
Finals competitor and back to a perennial playoff contender. Nobody, and I mean
nobody, loves Jazz basketball more than I do, especially considering my fandom
began as a kid in North Carolina scouring the boxscores because that's all the
team would rate outside of Utah in those days.Glen Davis isn't a bad
player. But the fact he has a ring has as much to do with the fact that he
played on a star-packed team as anything. Millsap played a bigger role for Utah
last season, and he's only just beginning to tap his potential. The Jazz should
match ... and I apologize for nothing!Peace out from the Jazz
honestly i would hate to see the C's not match an offer the jazz may give him,
but that would be a great addition to your team. He may be overweight, but watch
him play...you dont see an over weight guy out there ..the guy is a pure
hustler. he has ton of heart and isnt afriad to bang anyone around. yes it says
6'9" but he isnt try 6'7"...not 6'6" like some here mentioned. and as for his 17
footer...yeah it is still a little ugly but he made huge strides with it over
the past year....hope he stays in Boston, but if he doesnt you will be very
happy with what you get from him out there in Utah! good luck this year guys
come on people. Don't post assumptions or lies, look up facts before you start
posting your knowledge. Utah is one of the fattest states? Nope, Utah is the
47th on overweight people...guess what that makes them? The third thinnest
state! Obesity, 22% behind 1st place Colorado's 19%. Huge margin huh? Nope.
That puts Utah at the 44th most Obese state, which makes out to be the 7th most
Obese state. As for Davis--this league has evolved into a game of
more agility, speed and explosion. Players are jumping higher and changing
directions much quicker. He really should lose roughly 40 pounds perhaps 30 may
be enough, but what he need is someone that can defend, someone big enough to
stop big men but quick enough to guard the small men. I could only imagine how
hard it would be to move a 290 pound body. 250 for his height it optimal...it
is obvious that he has that much to lose.
AKs contract is the reason the jazz can't win a championship they don't have
money to get players worth anything
I have agree,PF is not problem, except NOT having one tall enough,
long enough, blocking shots enough, defensive enough...But Coaching
IS the problem, NOT once has sloan shown the ability to use
strategy, he has never made changes in defensive or offensive
strategy from game to game, or team to team they play,and certainly
not in the playoffs,when you have several games to make greaat
strategic changes,All sloan does is weild HIS system like club and
try to beat you to death with it.all sloan does is tinker with the
starting line-up, AFTER he SAYS who starts does NOT matter.Sloan and
his caveman mentality of coaching, has gotta go,if jazz are EVER
going a win a championship.
Big Baby is too big a risk for an offense designed to run through the PF
Glen Davis? Great, just what we need, an overweight, out of shape, and
overrated big man. This reminds me of someone who played for the Jazz a few
years ago...Mr. double-zero himself.If we're choosing between
overpaying Millsap for a year and overpaying Glen Davis (Ostertag, Part II) for
several years (to which midlevel money is ridiculous!), the decision is a
no-brainer. Once Millsap starts getting paid his worth ($6 to $7 is about
market value for his talent), we'll be glad we kept him.
best post of the day, truthful also..Glen Davis I feel would be in shape. He
would know coming here he has to be in good shape and frankly even now he is in
much better shape than when he came in as a rookie. I feel he may a better
talent than Paul. Certainly, Paul is a harder worker at this stage in careers.
AK is NOT the reason why the Jazz can't win a championship. The reason is JERRY
SLOAN. End of story
is useless he will NEVER be good again we should somehow trade him to another,
team and if it means to a team like the warriors then so be it, if we keep him
its same old same old, no championships!!!!!!!
Remember "Dinner Bell" Mel Turpin? The Jazz don't need another fat kid who
won't work hard after signing his contract. Utah is one of the fattest states
in the country...why tempt the poor kid with the endless buffets and all you can
eats around town. Bring back Gentle Ben Poquette.
Not that it would happen....Could AK restructure his contract for less money and
more years. Or is that against the CBA.It seems like the NFL players are always
doing it, but that might be because they dont have guaranteed contracts?
if you got davis it would be for the sam,e money as millsap. the reason he has
no offers. no rebounds better take millsap while you can. or not and see what he
does in portland. by trade deadline you could probly pick up one of the
starters with portland because millsap will be starting. just like in utah once
millie started playing it was booooooo for bozer and lets get rid of the
allstarr boz. next is alrige moving on why you think they signed him 6.2 mil
alrige wants 20 mil see who plays better. you jazz fans need to pull your head
out.before its too late i can watch portland just as easy as utah its going to
be sad for me to watch millie kicking butt against utah. probly sad for him too.
Milsap,Boozer,and Ak are not the answer. Milsap is good but not great and under
sized. To be at least competitive in the west and I mean just competitive we
need bigger, longer, and defensively minded players. The only one on that short
list is AK and he is over paid. Too bad the fans have too suffer for poor
management. I been saying Artest (gone to the lakers) THERE IS 1 MAJOR BEATDOWN
in coming next season, and the Celtics get Wallace and the Suns get Shack.I
getting tired I am done.
Let these guys eat their "Gumbo elsewhere.
Big Baby is 6'9" in media guides, but in real life he is 6'6". Still a good
young player, and he uses his wide body effectively, but if he was 6'9" there
would be no question about the Celtics matching any offer.
Baby Davis is a pretty large body. Watching him develop his mid-range game
(something Millsap is sorely lacking) was fun to watch last season. He can stick
the 17-footer with complete confidence.I'm not opposed the idea.
How would Sloan feel about Davis coming in to camp at 289 pounds? I see work
ethic controversy a mile away with this one. You can't swap a guy like Millsap
with a guy who can't stay away from the buffet table.
Re: Chuck Nunn (the Jazz Oracle)Sorry Chuck, but I've got to
disagree with you on this one.Davis is BIG body that would help the
Jazz. He's taller than Paul and at 290 he's a lot tougher to move. Initially, he
isn't likely to score at much as Millsap but he would definitely plug up some of
the holes the Jazz have defensively.He's only been playing about 20
minutes a game for Boston averaging 7 points and 4 rebounds. Extend his time out
to 40 minutes and you get respectable numbers. (14 points and 8 rebounds) And in
the Jazz system, I'm certain those numbers will go up.Besides, I'd
love to see the Jazz get somebody who can be described as "BURLEY" ... as in
Just match for Paul, Big Baby is a good talent but I think Paul has more going
for him. Just Match Paul then send Boozer else where for the cap space.We've got til the deadline, and since Boozer will be playing this year for his
next contract I'm sure he'll work a bit for it, more than he did last year. Let
teams see him for a few months and there will be someone biting for a an time
all-star. Someone will get hurt, it always happens, a team loses a key player
midway through the season. They panic and look for someone to fill the void til
the team is healthy. It's bound to happen. Bottom line stick with Paul,
the true talent he has and the nasty attitude he brings is undeniable.
How many rings do Jazz players have1 by a player who did not play
much MehmoutGLen Davis doesHe was a project until Kevin
Garnett and coaches helped make him much betterI would take him for
that salary in a New York Minute.He has a ring that would be a
"threat" to current Management and "sloanaholics"Lets just keep the
same roster. That is bettersure...
Chuck there is no bigger homer on these boards, these are the reasons why The
Jazz are where they are tonight as the ESPN report last week showed,I will let you be the apologetic spokesman for every thing they do. No
pressure from people who could be huge in impacting change. You can
call us pessimists haters, outsiders. COuld care less. The truth these people
love the Jazz more than the opposites do. We care so deeply it hurts us beyong
comprehension. SOmeone that has invested buying merchandise, programs,
listening to static radio stations and back to 1979 in New Orleans knows Jazz
History.I am tired of watching "same ol" I have never in the
history of professional sports (history) seen such a conversative, refuse to
change approach if a coach that acts as Mr Hat on every issue and gets away with
us. I do not care about his "system"I care about every year feeling
chance to win the title playing the reg season in playoff mode, establish your
identity and tweeking as needed.Sloan never never does this. It is the fans that allow this to happen.The rest care
deeply and pray for change
I like Big Baby D! Though those numbers seem just a little weak for 21 minutes.
I'll check out his other numbers. On May 12th he had 22 points and 7 rebounds in
42 minutes which is pretty encouraging. Sure. Let 'Sap go and let's pick up Big
Baby. Don't get me wrong. I love Millsap but its just too much money.
Glen Davis? Geez, just match on Millsap!Peace out from the Jazz
This might be a situation where the Jazz go possitive with a little subtraction.
The Milsap offer is indeed "toxic." As hard as it is to say, and
as much as we all love Milsap, he has to go. Good luck and best wishes.One of the big problems this year was the "bottleneck" at the PF
position. Davis could be as impactful as Milsap and would open things up for
PLEASE!!! Glen Davis is da boss