See ya later Paul. Have fun in Portland making way too much money.
It's going to be nice to have Millsap come off the bench and back up
Aldridge.Jazz fans, stop assuming that the 3 team deal between POR,
CHI and UTA is still on, it is not! $$$$$$$$$ BABY!!!! Whoo Whoo!!!!
:D 2009-2010 western conference predictions:1. Lakers2.
Spurs3. Trail Blazers4. Nuggets5. Mavericks6. Hornets7. Rockets8. Suns9. Jazz10. Warriors11. Clippers12. Thunder13. Grizzlies14. Timberwolves15. Kings
Way way too much money. Let him go!!!! Especially after his agents comments
about how they were offended by the Jazz's offer, it sounded greedy
I do hope that you would be a lot more appreciated for your excellent work
ethics in Portland. Unlike Utah, where the Jazz and the fans still think that
you should be under valued. The best of luck and enjoy your well deserved
If I understand correctly, that comes to 7.6M against the salary cap (6.2 plus
1/4 of the signing bonus), so the question is one of immediate cash flow. If
the Jazz have the 10.3M in an account ready to pay up front, the rest of the
contract is really not as bad as expected, especially in terms of cap room for
see ya time to become anther no name shannon anderson, vaghan , russell,eisle
and the list goes on.
I love Millsap as much as anyone, but I think the Jazz would be making a mistake
paying this permanent backup player starter's money. I say you make Portland eat
the contract they tried to trick the Jazz to match with.
Hahahahaha, there is no way we would match it. Boozer screwed us last season by
playing poorly and now by opting in. I bet you D-Will is livid.
Love Millsap, but not worth that much money.
The signing bonus is to make Utah go deepper into the luxury tax. However, the
Jazz need to make this move. It will hurt now but payoff or Playoff later
however you want to look at it. When Loozer leave we'll need the better Millsap.
If Portland gets Millsap the Jazz will behind Portland for years to come. Make
my words Millsap will continue to work on his game and become better every year.
He's not afraid of hard work. Take your pick MILLSAP OR LOTTERY! LOOZER IS TERRIBLEAJ SOFTCJ TERRIBLEBREWER CANT
SHOOTWE NEED MILLSAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Each person has their strengths, talents, and chosen profession. When more and
more hard-working men and women are loosing their jobs each day, it shows the
audacious selfishness of "Professional" athletes to demand enough money to
provide multiple lifetimes of comfort to hundreds, if not thousands, of people
as a signing bonus.
It's times like this that are a blunt reminder that the NBA is a business. Fans
think of it as entertainment. Greg Miller, KOC, etc don't think of it that way.
It would be helpful DMN if you would help us fans understand how
signing bonus money counts against the salary cap. Paul's
spokespeople can get off their high horses about how the Jazz under-valued Paul
and how Portland really understood. That fact is that Paul was Portland's
second (at best) choice after Hedo Turkolu. Had Hedo signed with Portland, Paul
may not have such a lucrative offer.As a fan, I love Paul. He's
everything I desire in an NBA player: Tough, Hard Working, Unassuming,
Productive. As a business owner, it will be interesting to see how the Jazz
respond. Paul is certainly worth 6-7M per year long before AK is worth 16-17M
per year or Boozer worth 12M. I would still try and trade Boozer
for Rip Hamilton. Salaries are comparable.Certainly the Jazz can't
complain about a front loaded contract. They did it to Cleveland to get
David Lee anyone?
I love Paul, but I'm sorry, those numbers are obscene.
Millsap is a great high energy reserve, and perhaps can develop into a viable
NBA starter. But given his lack of either size or a jump shot, he will never be
an offensive force. Defensively, he hustles but has trouble defending quality
bigs. I love Millsap, as a quality role player. But you just don't give this
kind of money to a role player.
Those number are not high. AK 16M are high. MILLAP is worth every penny+.
just friggin match it!
Are you trying to tell me the Jazz don"t have it??? That is just crazy!!! They
havent paid luxuary tax ever, You dont think they aren"t making millions over
the years?? Pay up for once. Maybe you could take it from your medeorcore
coach. He can"t ever seem to win a big one. Maybe he needs to learn how to
moviate good players to become great and not choke in real game
situtations!!!!!They never make a trade that means much so just pay up.
Re: Blazer fanKeep dreaming. The Jazz will make the playoffs next year
even without Millsap. I hope you are stuck paying a backup at PF starter money
for the next four years. Plus, we have the Knicks' pick next season. Here's
hoping for 60 losses. I guess for Millsap it really is all about the money.
He'll be in the same situation in Portland as he is here, backing up an
all-star. Good luck Paul. It was nice having you on our team. I hope we kick
your butt all four times we play.
Questions to ask:1) Crunch time, can feed the ball to Millsap in the post
and count on either a score or double team that opens up opportunities for
someone else?2) Crunch time, can you count on Millsap to make a key stop
against a top-level big?The evidence suggests a negative response to
both questions. Millsap earns his stats by playing hard when other players are
slacking. This is exactly what you want out of a key reserve or a complementary
starter. But how much money can you really afford to give to a guy who can't
make the key stop defensively or the key basket offensively?
I'm tired of these Oregonians coming in here shooting there mouths off! SHUT UP!
The Jazz will match Millsap's offer and get something for Boozer, their not
going to risk losing 2 PF's in 2010. As far as comparing the Jazz to the
Blazers. The Jazz are still the better team, there deep, and the Blazers don't
have a point guard; and until they do, they may get closer to the Jazz, THAT'S
RIGHT I SAID "MAY GET CLOSER"!!!
Prichard is stupid. Portland culd have signed Odom who is a lot better than
Milsap and weakened the Lakers at the same time. Milsap's numbers will decrease
playing along side Oden. With all the shooters on Portland, there will not be
many plays run for Milsap. Also, Milsap's uncle is stupid. If
Boozer had not been injured, the contract never would have happened.Let's get rid of Milsap and Boozer. Harpring will retire next year then we
will have cash to find bargin players like Gooden and Wilcox. Every time Wilcox
played against Utah. we didn't have anybody big enough to stop him.After Milsap leaves, let's replace him with Josh Duncan or Koufas. Koufas
will make Jazz fans forget Milsap in a hurry. In case you missed he news Koufas
has already put on 20 pounds.
Too bad Snoozer opted in. It's a shame that the Jazz couldn't have taken his "I
quit" back he tendered it. Paul Millsap is a quality player who will continue
to develop into an NBA star. I'll be sad to see him go.
I was wondering if everyone's love child, Eric Maynor made a basket in the 5
games in Orlando?Just asking..
The Jazz already have a couple of other PFs they can use: Okur is really a PF,
IMHO. People say AK is really a PF that has been playing out of position.
Kofous looked last year like he could handle either the 4 or the 5 spot. So trade Boozer for a defensive 5, let Millsap go, and the Jazz are in
great shape. Goodbye to both Millsap and Boozer.
dollar contract and he is getting 10 million this year than he will only be
getting paid around 6 or 7 the rest of the contract so it is only painful this
let Milsap go, I relize he may be one of 4 people on the team with heart, get
rid of the soft Boozer with no defenseive ability, clear up that cap room and
sign D-Wade next year, D-Wade, D-Will, Okur,Brewer, and AK would make us great
But certainly way too much. Have a good ride in the Rose City, Paul. Best in
luck to you and your family.
Worst case scenario: Jazz let Milsap go and cannot unload Boozer. Then Boozer
is hurt most of the year. Duh, what do we do then?
Why does everyone think that Portland signed Millsap to hurt Utah? Makes no
sense. If my memory serves me correctly, the Lakers, Nuggets, Houston, Spurs,
Hornets all finished ahead of Portland and Utah. So is Portlands goal to finish
7th next year? That's just crazy talk. Their goal is to better themselves to
beat the Lakers. Not the Jazz. Sorry Guys but we are not the big boys on the
block, the Lakers and Spurs are.
2 or more years, Millsap is not worth more than the MLE. If you look at the FAs
who have been signing for the MLE many of them are proven and better than
Millsap. Since the Jazz are in the tax anyway, would they be better
off spending 10 million on any other player they could trade for? Of course. Millsap is not the right player at PF. He was a very good back up who
stepped up but that is all. The only reason POR is offering that is
because they are hoping that signing Millsap for an extra 4 million this year
will save them more than 4 million in their negotiations with Aldridge. This is a business. If the Jazz can get more for 10 million, like a
decent back up PF and a shooting SG then they should. Forget
Millsap. This is a simple easy decision. Why is it so hard for the Jazz to
rotate role players? Is the problem Sloan? KOC? Miller? This
problem needs to be fixed. Good thing POR is forcing the Jazz to
rethink the PF or the Jazz would be stuck with Millsap starting for years.
Please let him walk and pick up D Lee before its to late!
the same after he got his knee hurt. Millsap is just as prone to injury as
Boozer. Further, Boozer is harder to stop on offense. Millsap is a little better
on defense but fouls a lot. Neither can defend tall athletic bigs. Millsap can't
really play C or SF he is just a back up PF. He is a rebounding specialist. In this economy he can be replaced for the MLE. Don't replace him, get
someone more talented and versatile. Whatever you do don't match the offer. The Jazz are already stuck with an unconventional C. They can't afford
to have an unconventional PF. Unconventional means major weaknesses. Trade Fez for Landry or someone like Landry making 3 million. You will get
just as much production and upside as with Millsap at 10 million. This is a
really easy decision. The Jazz could have had Blair by moving up in
the second round. He does everything Millsap does only better. How dumb does
letting SA get Blair look now? Why are the Jazz so passive and non
proactive? They wait until fate forces decides for them. The Jazz
Millsap is a great backup, and might be worth about 6 mil a year, but 10.3
million and the luxury tax hit.. (does signing bonus count as salary? Does it
count for lux tax hit??) Not worth it.I sincerely hope Jazz management
don't let their egos decide this. It was great having him, but let him go.
Why does it seem like Portland was desperate to sign a backup power forward (to
a 10 million dollar contract no less) who is only going to play 12 to 15 minutes
a game? It seems like after being rebuffed a number of free agents, the Blazer
felt compelled to sign someone, anyone.Unless the Jazz can unload
Boozer, I think they will let Millsap walk, and considering the salary cap
penalty for signing Millsap, who could blame them?
Not like I'm an expert but it seems the Trailblazers front office really pulled
off a smart move.If you look at year two and beyond they are paying
a very reasonable rate for a very solid backup powerforward: Around $6 million a
year. The Jazz offered him something like $5.5 million a year.What
the Trailblazers did is put an extra $4 million up front to chase the Jazz out.
Not bad of a bonus to pay a reasonable rate for a backup player of his
caliber.Also, the Jazz under Larry Miller have had a very good
reputation for living within their means. Miller refused to go into debt/luxury
tax. Smart on his part. I guess we all get to find out what the next Miller
thinks of debt. Is it debt or an investment? I don't know. That's their job to
decide, just wondering.Smart for the Blazers. Now what are we going
to do?It seems about unanimous that Boozer is a bust. Can we burn
his contract and sign him for the $5.5 million? How about $10 million but
prorated for games he actually plays in?Just dreaming.
Math the offer, the sooner the better. Then, look for a matching piece from the
Boozer bait, a Hamilton or Thomas. Boozer's paycheck is the obscene
piece here, not the much smaller pot for Millsap.
Let him go....Keep in mind this is really a 22 million dollar contract. Unless
we can completely dump Boozers contract on someone, which not only would be
stupid, but highly unlikely. We will pay Milsap 10 mil plus dollar for dollar
for being about 12 mil over the cap...years 2-4 are reasonable, but 22 million
for a back up PF that breaks down putting up starter minutes is not worth it. I
still say trade boozer for Hamilton, and go with what we have. I am willing to
bet AK will relish being back at the 4. Signing Boozer was a mistake when we
already had a all star PF even though a little light, he still played a lot
better defense the Boozer ever did.
Do it. You need to think more than one year. You'll drop 18 million next year
and another 17 million the following year. Let's build a team of people who
want to be here.
the stands will not be empty, the Jazz will not miss the playoffs, POR will be a
little better off but not much (they are already better than the Jazz for less
money), The Jazz will not have a worse record (it may be better depending on who
they get).The Jazz are not going to miss Millsap if they get a
decent back up PF for the MLE (Gooden can produce Millsaps numbers, so can a lot
of young cheap players). The Jazz will be better if they trade Boozer for a very
good PF and a shooting SG by Jan. There is no hurry. Millsap was
not that great as a back up before or after Boozer's injury. Koufos can put up
Millsap's back up numbers as the new back up!It is time to move on.
Go get a really good young tall, athletic PF. You can trade Harp for one easily.
In due time trade Boozer for cap, a SG and any other needs. In my
opinion the Jazz should have got some insurance in the 2nd round by moving up.
Why expect the players to play defense when the organization does not?
Please let him go. I don't care about the money, it isn't mine. Please don't
commit to mediocrity at the power forward position for the next 4 years. I'd
rather take a risk on a draft pick than be locked into a guy who has never run
the pick and roll, and doesn't appear to have the skills to run it.
Everyone that is in the market for a car should buy from a Larry H. Miller
Dealership...Luxury tax done! Keep Shoppin' Boozer...there are alot of teams
that want his talent and contract for one year (about all you can trust him
It's really not that bad of a deal, we can take that hit for a year and then the
rest of his contract will be fair. Other than offense, he is better than Booz.
He isn't the best defender but hustle and the willingness to actually try to
compete on defense makes him valuable. People point out that he fell off after
his injury and some idiot even suggested that he is as injury prone as booz. I
point out that he still played 76 games and played hurt the last quarter of the
season, plus the playoffs. So yeah, he probably fell off a little bit, but he
still hustled the whole way. You need tough guys on your team. If Harp retires,
we'll have Deron and Brewer as the only guys not scared of contact.One other thing...I can't believe people keep saying that Koufas is a possible
replacement for both Booz and Millsap. Who will his back up be? Souton or are we
bringing back Collins? We'll be in the lottery for sure if that happens.
There are so many lazy slugs in this league getting top dollar, it is nice to
see a hard woker like Milsap getting a decent contract.
It is very sad for me to see Jazz fans, apparently the ignorant fans, claim that
this salary is too much for Millsap but then defend what Boozer has done.
Way too much money - LET HIM GO.
as a back up to Booz if Millsap is gone. He is also adequate as a back up to
Okur. Koufos can not replace Boozer as the starting PF. Koufos will
buy some time to trade Booz for the right PF and maybe a SG. He has to develop
his left hand, just gain more experience and develop range on his shot. He will
need another year or two before he can start but he can play back up now. @8:37 just made the compelling argument for losing Millsap. He can't run
the pick and roll. Koufos can. Millsap can't run a number of the Boozer plays.
Koufos may learn and is taller. Koufos is a better defender than both Millsap
and Boozer. However, C is the best position for Koufos. He is 280
now same as Bynum. He will beef up more. If Fez has his act together
he can back up C while Koufos backs up PF. When Boozer goes the Jazz
have to have a developing modern PF, tall athletic, quick, good shot and
defender. That is not Millsap. With Okur at C the Jazz have to have
a great PF.
Bye Bye Paul, nice knowing you.
The Jazz will match. Millsap will prove in time he is worth every cent of the
Listen up Jazz fans - SLC is a second tier NBA town. The only way you can
renovate your downtown is through contributions from the church. SLC is a nice
place to visit, but let's face it, NBA stars really don't want to see any one
way tickets to your town since it's a dead end for anyone who wants to be a
The latest updates tonight reported on various news sources including one in
Northern California are allegedly reporting the Jazz "are desperate" to trade
Boyzer before time expires on Millsap.Reports are if trading
Snoozie, Millsap they will match (are they ok 10 million and 4 m signing
bonus?)If unable to (remember it is O COnnor Folks)Millsap
will leave.Once again Boozer holding franchise hostage/...I almost want him dumped for a paper bag and an apple.
Both Snooze and Millsap should go. It's time the Jazz start trying to make their
team better, and that isn't Snooze or Sap!
let milly and price go. sign odom, trade boozer, harp, and korver, sign wes
matthews and josh duncan from summer league.trade:wrightanthony randolphmaggette turiaffor:kirilenkokorverknicks 1st rounderthen:boozer+harp
for jermaine oneal, he gives us defense andhuge contract comes up at end
of year and have loads of capdwillbrewerodomokur/randolphoneal/randolphmaynormaggettematthewsturiaf/koufus/duncanwright/fesenkothis
would be a definite championship team, we have stacked team full of defense and
athleticism 1-14, your thoughts
Blazers fans, Sorry to bust your bubble, but Ironma Millsap will be
in Utah for a long time to come. Soak it in while its at your fingertips, but
you'll see how much we value this player and this team.Go JAZZ.
Anthony Randolph is untouchable. Good try though.
If the Jazz keep Boozer they are practically guaranteed AT LEAST the 6th spot in
the POs...Pho, Hou, and NO will be lucky to sniff the bottom of the West, and
Dallas isn't much better.The Jazz offer to Millsap was $1.03
mill.And finally...who the HAY is Josh Duncan?!?!
re: Lottery or Milsap, I think lottery would be better.
Don't do this. I like Milsap - all Jazz fans do. But he isn't worth this much
money. If the Jazz let Milsap go to Portland and keep Boozer for a year we'll be
really good this year and with Boozer, Harpring and Korver's expiring contracts
that is about $25MM freed up to make a run at one of the big free agents of
K Portland fan! You really think we're going to finish AFTER the SUNS in the
western conference NO CHANCE?! Also, to the guy who couldn't figure out why the
Blazers are trying to hurt the jazz, its because they CAN AND are in our
DIVISION. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let's dump anyone and everyone on the
roster except for D Will and get Dwayne Wade! I know there's not a chance he
will come from Miami to Utah but man, it would be so nice.
We all like Millsap for solid mid level exception money, but not at the cost of
hurting the Jazz organization with a huge luxury tax burden and for well proven
starter money.If he would rather be a back up in Portland, as
reported by his associate and from him signing that contract instead of letting
the Jazz do a similar contract with less up front for the cap, then let him go.
Perhaps he is afraid to start (Boozer was a guaranteed trade before he signed
that contract) and he must want to remain a back up in Portland, so stick it
back to Portland and have their salary cap fully spent/tied up paying a back up
as their highest paid player! Don't overpay for players anymore (Ostertag and
Kerilenko ring a bell?)
This Ara Vartanian character is quite ridiculous. I mean completely ridiculous!
I went to the Oregonian website, and Vartanian is going off on how Millsap has
3 point range, but never showed it because of Sloan. If crashing the ball off
the side of the glass from the elbow is considered "3 point range" so be it.
the salary cap # and what he will be paid can and in this case are different
numbers. even though he gets the bonus upfront, only 25% counts on this year's
payroll. T-Buck needs to get with the program. I'm tired of emailing him when
he inverses numbers on stats and doesn't do his CBA homework!"Who
are you? And why are you here?"
Great guy.Hard worker.Good team mate.Good
rebounder.Good hustle guy.Limited low post game.Too short to be a starting PF.Bye Paul.No you
know why AK announced the other day he is not playing on his national team and
is instead "working on his body". The Jazz have likely told him they will be
losing boozer, millsap, or both of them.Whoever gets Millsap now
will be overpaying....UNLESS we can unload a big contract. I guess we have
until the trade deadline. We can match now and take months to unload Booz or AK
if we want to.As long as we don't finish the season with this much
salary then we won't be paying all that tax.Paul becomes much more
affordable without the tax.Tick tock!!!
Now the Oregonians want this small-market team to go bust and wind up as their
new I-5 rivals: the Seattle Supersonics, Mach II. :p Portland is definately
bullying Jazz management right now.I still think that Milsap has
shown that he is more consistent than Boozer at this point; however, it is a lot
to ask. Will it be worth it to keep him? We'll see. Let's just hope that we
can keep (or find) another PF for a while to fill in the void left by Milsap.
maybe Karl will come out of retirement.
From a Blazer fan...I just want to say that this whole thing is unfortunate. I want Millsap on the Blaers (he would kill on that team), but I really
wish our sports enviornment supported more loyalty to the team who drafted them,
developed them and brought them up through the system. I know that I want to
keep our key guys.There has to be a better way. There should be some
kind of clause allowing special privleges to the incumbent team. That way we
wouldn't see players jumping all around every year.Jazz - you guys
are class all the way. Stay that way. Stockton to Malone forever. I'll feel
great if we get Millsap, but a little underhanded at the same time.
I'm a Millsap guy, but overpaying an undersized four is what the Knicks do.
Look how bad they are. Brandon Bass got, what, 4 years 18 mil? He's a very
similar player to Millsap.Maybe the move is to let Portland have
that toxic deal. Good luck resigning Roy, Oden, Aldridge, etc!!
Dallas not much better?Hee hee Hee HeeAnother greg
disciple and SloanieIt may not mean more reg season wins but they
likely will get back to 2nd round of playoffs and would do well in the east.Gorcat and Dampier the 2 of them are better defensively than OKURRIEDampier even hurt the JAzz in that loss late season at Big D Marion says and I believe him, he is healthy, confident, fired up and
ready31 is not washed up.MArion will be great on the
Mavericks. No doubtAlso much better coaching led by Carlisle and an
owner that least tries to win succeed or not..
that means you are crying over Paul like a bunch of rednecks.32-36
mil over 4 years is 9 mil per year with signing bonus averaged in. With 10
million you get Odom who can dribble, can defend and has a nose for the ball.With Odom and Boozer and Dwill this team can surprise a lot of
teams...OR we can keep scratching in the dirt like a bunch of chickens never
daring to look up.Derek Fisher said the diff between Jerry Sloan and
Phil Jackson is Jerry wants the team to play hard each game, and Phil expects a
win each game. I think Paul can play hard but he doesnt' expect to
win each game. Dwil, Boozer, and other winners expect to win it all the
time.Something else to consider is that poor management will have us
pay AK and Harpring 21.5 million this season. What have we changed since then?
Our expectations? I hope not.
Millsap is not worth that kind of money. It's a dumb move by Portland as they
will never win a championship with their current roster (including Millsap). Teams around the league don't want to do business with the Blazers and
nobody will want Millsap at that kind of money. They have to resign Roy and
Aldridge which eats up all of their cap room to sign any quality free agents in
the future. Millsap is not going to put them over the top to compete
for a championship. Let Millsap go and watch the the Blazers dig their own grave
on a 15 minute per game backup forward. Like the Blazers, the Jazz
aren't winning a championship with their current roster anyway. They will have
the New York pick next season and some cap room from Boozer, Harpring, Korver
and Millsap coming off the books. Lots of options to work with for next season.
Portland has no need to have a bench back-up paid the second highest salary on
their team. They did this "toxic" manuever because the Jazz have to keep Millsap
if they can shop Boozer or they have NO PF. The luxary tax hit to Utah could be
around $20 million this year to sign Milsap ( matching the salary, huge
front-end bonus, and losing their perpetual pay-off for always being under the
Cap). Larry Miller dies and his family is devastasted by this move. If they
match the Milsap ransom, The Jazz become the highest paid salary team in the
NBA, and they still need to sign another player, yet to be acquired. I consider
this a dirty blow against a team in the same Northwest Division that has ruled
Portland's butts for years. Portland can "kiss goodbye" any future cooperative
trades with the Jazz for players they actually need by burning this bridge with
Utah. This was a sleazy, vindictive act by Pritchard.
Make a run at a big free agent in 2010??? I'm sorry, is there a big free agent
next year who went to BYU? Maybe someone who has secretly converted to
Mormonism? I don't think D-Wade is leaving South Beach to take up snowboarding.
The Jazz better realize that drafting guys like Millsap in the second round is
the best way to add talent in SLC, and if you find a diamond in the rough, you'd
better do what you can to keep him. No free agents are coming.
As someone who's in the PR business, Kevin O'Connor at his interview yesterday
for D-Wills charity golf tourney has exposed the Jazz intentions by saying that
the Jazz don't intend on overpaying Milsap but a match offer will be considered
carefully. That's a technique in the PR world most politicians use
to prep the audience for their decision and playing up the magnitude of the end
result. In this case, Kevin is playing coy but mentioning ONCE again the Jazz
won't over pay Milsap but what he's really saying is that they will indeed match
the offer because it's not overpaying Milsap.Then again maybe this
is just a ploy to get a sign and trade with the Chicago-Portland-Utah trade
senario with Boozer again. With Milsaps signing bonus, will this enable the deal
to go forward so the Blazers get Hinrich, Chicago gets Boozer and the Jazz get
Milsap and Thomas?
Lottery is not an option. Those saying lottery is better are stupid. This team
could be in the lottery and picking 13th or 14th at best. With d-will, they will
never be a bad team. Tell me how many great players in the last 10 years came
from the bbottom of the lottery. Now tell me how many busts. I don't know the
number but it is more busts than all-starsI don't see what the big
deal is all about. The real contract is around 6 to 7 mill a year. That is what
the jazz valued him at anyway. The only killer is the signing bonus and some
speculate that not all of the signing bonus counts against the cap. Milsap as a
starter averages 18 & 10, and that is with an undeveloped offensive game and no
plays ran for him. I can think of a lot of players that get those same numbers
and they make more money.
and Utah is obvious. When Ariza tried to stiff the Lakers they replaced him in a
heart beat. They had plan B in place and ready. The Jazz on the
other hand are getting mugged because they are incapable of changing. Supposedly
they were prepared for all contingencies. They can and should replace Millsap
with a player making the MLE. Shopping Boozer frantically may just
be media hype. Are the Jazz really dumb enough to make two major mistakes at the
same time. Panic never results in a good deal. They know that. The Boozer trade
represents the future of the franchise. If they blow that we will all know the
problems are hopeless because the are in the front office.It seems
to be part of their corporate DNA. They are incapable of replacing players. They
insist on overpaying. What is wrong with the Jazz? They can run car
dealerships. Is it so hard to part with a used car? They can always get another
one at a decent price. Is Millsap going to save the franchise?
Boozer is actually a better player.Why are the Jazz so incapable of
managing change? What is wrong with this organization?
in a turbulent environment, an organization has to be flexible, adaptable and
capable of rapid effective change. The economic environment is changing rapidly.
The Jazz are in a bind and seem to be very flat footed. POR has microsoft roots they are very capable of change and thrive on it. LA
obviously does as well. SA has remade itself many times. DAL is very proactive.
Even DEN is proactive. Lastly PHO is adapting. They changed the mistake of
bringing in Shaq. HOU took major risks and got bit but they will adapt quickly.
The Jazz relish not changing. Like Bush they try to force the
environment to reward them for spitting into the wind (bad idea). They are
stubborn and try to ride thru shifts they should adapt to. Rule #1
stay on the right side of the mega trends. Take advantage of the cheap labor
available.Everything about Sloan's behavior suggests that he is very
resistant to change. He literally seems to run the Jazz from the bottom up. He has no education, experience nor capability of running a large
organization. The Jazz are incompetent from the bottom up since the bottom is
running the organization.
is a principle that states that their in many situations there is more than one
"right way". There is a set of feasible successful solutions. There
is more than one combination of players who are capable of winning. ORL seems to be adapting well. They simply replaced key players with other
players. Same for LA, SA and DAL. POR is taking advantage of the drop in player
costs and playing hardball on resigning key players. The point is
key players are replaceable as long as you get one of the right combinations of
players. Utah has not had and does not have a "right combination"
but they insist on not trying to get a right combination. Today the
flexible and adaptable beat the slow and non adaptive. There is a reason why POR
choose to mug Utah and not NY. That reason is not Millsap. Utah is a hapless non
adaptive sloth ripe for attacking. They could get Lee and trade Aldridge it
would be a better move but NY now has proactive management and POR attacked Utah
because they are incapable of managing change. In POR the GM not the
coach does the GM job.
This is all obscene. How are pro athletes any different that the CEO's of the
major corporations. They make exorbitant amounts of money and the government is
attacking them. We fans who support the franchises are barely getting by in
providing basic support to our families. All of us are talented in one way or
another, but do we pull down salaries in the millions. Why should a pro athlete
have the opportunity to work for 5-10 years and never have to work again. Many
of the athletes just waste the money they make on drugs, posses, gambling, etc.
Lets rein this in before it gets further out of hand. There is more to life
than money. The world is full of greed. The love of money is the root of all
evil. Get a life.
klinko 16 mil boz 12 mil okur 10.5 millsap 6.2 if im portland reading all these
blog im smileing big time. if you can get a player like millsap for 6.2 you just
stole him. utah willnot even make the playoffs with out him. caint belive
everything you read you would think they are talking to millsap not agents. but
if im reading blogs wich he probly is not man with that much money has better
things to do, portland is excited utah mostly saying let him go not worth 6.2
mil after making 700.ooo for 3 yrs. i would be ready to head to portland. i
guess i will be watching portland next year only reason i watched utah was
williams and millsap. looks like you have run boozer and millsap off. whats next
williams send him on to portland then all i have to watch is 1 team.
He is not worth the money Portland is offering...plain and simple. None of
these prima donas are worth the money with the current economic situation.
These guys seem to be bulletproof when it comes to signing contracts. In the
case of Millsap he played a lot during the Boozer/Okur injury period. He simply
cannot score in the context of playing with the regular setup of players.
Besides that just because Boozer/Williams/Okur score as they do versus other
teams doesn't mean anything. The NBA is just an exhibition league until the
playoffs. The Jazz is just as stated by other postings...a NICE TEAM that will
never get a sniff of the championship other than the Malone/Stockton years.
Enjoy what we have. Even with Millsap, Portland will not be improved to
championship status. Millsap is undersized and is subject to injuries with his
style of play. He will be a bust at Portland...trust me. The Jazz are in the
process of dissolution. Boozer will be gone after next season. The money will
dry up. Sooner or later the league is going to come back to reality on the
contracts. This is ridiculous on contracts.
Millsap is not a starter by any means in this league. I guarantee his body will
break down during this season. He didn't even make it a whole season at Utah.
Let him go and save some cash for next season's spending spree. AK could you
just leave your contract and go back to Russia, you are killing the Jazz...why
don't you seek a new deal!
Always enjoy your comments, Todd.Here's the thing about Dallas: Yes, they should do well in their division, because NO and Hou are headed in
the wrong direction, but there's a very good chance they'll at least have injury
issues.Literally half the team is 30+ years of age. Nowitski, Kidd,
Marion, Jason Terry (all key guys, the core if you will), Devean George, another
key rotation player I can't recall at the moment, and yes, even Erick Dampier
who is having a birthday here real quick, will be 34.3/4 of the
roatation are geriatric, in NBA terms. I like Carlilse, but I don't
know how much he'll have to work with this season.
Let's see here, Millsap gone, Boozer gone after one more year at best. A center
that can't post up in church ball. AK a head case who only shows up when he
wants to. We are in trouble folks. The cause, O'Conner. Other that Williams
his first round picks have been suspect. He overpaid for AK putting us in to
this mess. He got lucky with Millsap. O'Conner has to go. He has put us near
the luxury tax with an average ball club. How is that possible.
we have ny draft pick next summer and there are some nice pf. coming out. one
more lottery year next season and we will be ok. we will have two number one
draft picks and will be in the top five pick also and a extra pick to move into
the top two if needed. will get a superstar.
read next years mock draft some great power forwards in the top ten coming out,
we will get one of the best with new yorks draft pick. they are holding money
for next years free agents so they should have a bad bad season which is great
I strongly suspect that Portland's management is smarter than to make a less
than serious offer for any player, only to cause problems for a single team. They no doubt are aware that matching the offer could cause the Jazz
some problems on a short-term basis. However, to do that without helping
yourself in both the short-term and long-term would not be a smart move.
Portland, like every other team in the league, wants to do what is best for
them, not just what is worst for one other team.
I think I get the meaning of your comment, it's just hard to deciphere with your
penmanship and spelling. Paul was drafted in the 2nd round and that has NBA
contract limitations as to salary, thats the reason Paul was somewhat under paid
in his first years. He now has shown he is a talent, but nothing more than a
good sub. He is and will not be ever a starter in this league unless it is for
the same reason that he started last year. The player he was subbing for went
down and he had to step in as the starter, otherwise he's back on the bench
where he belongs filling in as a reserve. He's not and I repeat not athletic, he
is just a hard worker who will stay in this league for a long time because of
his work ethic. Portland has over paid now let them decide how they are going to
use him! I'd personnally take Gooden or Nocioni any day for less money.
I disagree that Utah is not trying to get the right combination of players. That
they have not yet made a significant move towards that end this year does not
mean they are not trying. Having read and heard comments from so-called fans for
years, I know that there will be complaint regardless of what the Jazz do.
Indeed, some individuals will be angry about anything they do. This
is not to say that I don't want the Jazz to win a title. I simply realize that
it is a difficult goal, and that, like any business, will make unpopular
decisions in the pursuit of its goals, and that those decisions may even prove
to be wrong, in hindsight, or at least not the best possible.I'm not
trying to make excuses for the Jazz. I'm just trying to point out that running
such an organization is more difficult than critiquing from the sidelines like
so many fans do.
No boozer trade means no matching millsap offer. No way the jazz should match
if they can't make a trade first. I love paul, and everything, but he's too
undersized to ever be great, besides, the jazz are better when booz plays and
millsap backs up, koufus can back up. Booz might play up to an allstar level
for a new contract. Trade ak for mcgrady
he went back to the bench alright but shouldnt have. he was in the game at the
end when it counted tho boz was on the bench. same as it will be in portland
alrige, not spelled right fire me, will be on the bench right before he is
traded and millie starting. millsap 6.2 alrige wants 20 mil. worse than boz. why
you think they signed millie?
time for the Jazz to be sold and move on to another state or country so college
basketball can once again thrive in the great beehive state!!! the Jazz have no
desire to win. the Jazz have a proven track record of that. they get marginal
allstars on the roster, overpay once an allstar and done players, and now
Millsap is going to be overpaid. Portland stinks! let them have him. get rid of
Boozer or let him play the season out but play for the #1 pick next year. lose
all of your games this year. it's the only way. you gotta know when to fold em,
know when to hold em...like Kenny Rogers said. with the NY Knicks pick plus the
Jazz' cellar dweller pick that means the potential for two first rounders that
can really help Deron do something.
I can not believe people are saying Millsap is only worth the MLE. Krover gets
paid close to 5 million this season which is close to the MLE. Do these same
people think Krover is more valuable than Millsap? Krover is a hit
and miss player who should only be paid the league minium. Millsap has the
potential to be a great player. The Jazz should bring in Malone who first turned
the Jazz on to Millsap and pay Malone to help develop him.
MilesPortland is trying to get better, without giving anything up.
The Jazz will match - but this simply makes it almost impossible to for the Jazz
to get something in return.For example the Jazz send Boozer to
Chicago, they get back Tim thomas and Chicago finds a team under the cap
(memphis, detroit, OK city) that will take Tryus Thomas without giving up
anything. The Salary Millsap (with bonuses) with Thomas is only 2.5 million
higher than Boozer - Then the Jazz have 3 years at 7 million
Honestly, if i were Millsap, i'd bounce. Not such a bad thing if the Jazz keep
Boozer, trade AK for TMac, and have 2 lottery picks and LOADS of cap space for
next season. I'm ready to be patient. Heck, I have been thus far. What's another
year before a true opportunity to be a champion arises???
Look, here is what you do, let Millsap go, he is good but not that kind of money
good. Make AK your back up PF, rotate Kouf, Okur, Fes in the 5 and 4 spot and
you won't even miss Millsap.
The Blazers are playing chess while the Jazz & KOC is playing checkers, and
the Jazz got just what they deserved by not locking up Millsap. KOC should be
I don't understand how this is an "either/or" scenario. If the Jazz are going
to pay the kind of money it will take to retain Paul, I am sure they are looking
at what they can get for similar or slightly more money. For example.. Odom,
who is a little erratic about always mentally showing up for games, but
massively talented, and great at attacking the rim.. which is a major deficiency
in the current Jazz players. Boozer will either play or he won't. History
suggests he'll dog it for yet another season.I was against trading him for
Hamilton, but now I'm not so sure.
The Milsap contract was described as "toxic" by the Portland management. As
much as I like Paul, and would like him to stay in SLC, I have to say that the
contract is much more toxic to Portland than to Jazz. Paul would be crazy to
turn down the money, and will have a decent run in Portland. Jazz have to
focus, right now, on bringing another franchise player to the team.. Carlos has
shown he does not want or deserve that role. Stockton to Malone is more than a
phrase.. It shows that you need at least two franchise players to be a serious
contender.. A roster of "very good" players and one star and you have the
If any player leaves our great city, I say good riddance. If they dont realize
what a great place salt lake is then I dont want them here.
I think the reason Portland made a run for Millsap is that he is still available
and not locked up already. I think that this is probably option 3 or 4 for
Portland in the off season. NY made it clear they would match any offer for Lee.
Portland lost Hedo - hurray for small markets like Portland & SLC - so that fell
through.The Chicago, Utah and Portland deal where it seemed no one really even
tried, thusly leading to this offer. Portland has cap space THIS year only. Utah
is in luxury tax territory. Millsap is a great back-up who will help Portland's
bench, why not try and land him, and put the money on the front end when you are
$8 or 9 million below the salary cap???And if you want to blame
anyone, blame Boozer, for not having the guts to bail like he said back in the
spring - weak.
I love Sap and think he's still got a high ceiling. He'll work to hit it too.
But, I think he is replaceable. Booze will have a great year. Either way the
Jazz go is not bad. However, are we going to win a championship this year with
one or the other or even both? NO! Rebuilding time baby. Let Sap
walk, trade Booze and AK to Houston for TMac's crappy expiring contract, Landry
or Scola, and a first round pick. Develop Koufos and let Memo play the 4. Let
the team be scrappy and entertaining while losing and keep our pick in the
lotto. If we're good, we'll lose our pick to Philly.Next year, 2
picks in the lottery and possibly a good 3rd pick from the trade. 3 first round
picks and a lot of money to throw at Wade, Joe Johnson, Bosh, etc. We'd be good
in 2010 and for years after that.
Sound like millsap was in it for the money. See ya milsap sitting on the bench
in portland when you could have been a starter in utah
This is a lousy situation for you guys. You must just HATE Boozer now!
So....are you all going to boo him on opening night? He has just done everything
he can to hurt your team. What a double-crosser.I wouldn't blame
your management if they don't match this offer.Not to be a total
jerk, but I think Portland should make a tiny offer to Brevin Knight, too.
There's not much underhanded about this. BOOZER is the one holding you random.
Portland signed Millsap to an offer - Millsap signed on the dotted line -
because we want him.Calling us bullies and underhanded - really? We
suffered for YEARS with awful teams because we overpaid some shady guys. Now
you're dealing with that. It was our mistake then (Randolph, Darius Miles) and
its your management's fault now (though they must feel really double-crossed by
Boozer and I don't blame them).The only way it's underhanded is if
Portland doesn't really want Millsap. In that case, this would be leverage to
force Utah to agree to Portland's terms in a 3-way trade to unload Boozer. (My
guess is Utah had a chance BEFORE the signing, if this is the case, and tried to
call Portland's bluff.) If Portland is happy to do that but ALSO happy to have
Millsap, then sorry, it's not underhanded.Certainly not more
underhanded than Utah's original acquisition of Boozer, ironically. A little
Doesn't matter if it was underhanded or not.. Pritchard hasn't shown himself,
yet, to be that canny a gamer. Over paying players just because you have the
money results in teams like the much feared Isaiah Thomas Knicks. Paul Allen
isn't a billionaire because he's stupid. Sooner or later Pritchard will have to
show real results..not just high profile but meaningless movesIt
doesn't make a lot of difference if you have a whole busload of quality role
players unless you also have a couple of legitimate franchise players to lead
the way. Right now, Portland is already in a much better competitive position
than the Jazz.. Assuming you can get your talented players on the same page with
management and coaches. ed in az
Oh, and the Jazz did nothing underhanded in signing Carlos in the first place.
The Cav's allegedly asked him to do something that was clearly against league
rules and against his own self interest.. Just so he could stay with LeBron..
Surprise! He signed with Utah for a few tens of $Millions more than the
potential Cavs offer.. There is no one who says that the Jazz knew anything
about a WINKY WINKY arrangement between the Cavs and Carlos... If
it actually ever happened, it speaks to Carlos character, and not to the Jazz
breaking or bending any league rules. He may have broken his word, but we'll
never know.Karma has yet to play a punitive role for Carlos or the
The Millsap deal is probably about right, of course the Jazz could have offered
him earlier instead of allowing him to play for such a disgraceful (under $800k)
pay compared to other players in the league. I'd be feeling very little love
from the Jazz too if I were Millsap, but the bottom line is he's a talent worth
having for sure. Also if we look back to our 12 wins in a row, as Boozer came
back watch his numbers go up and Millsap's numbers go down, yet the loss's
started piling up with Boozer back. It's an easy and clear decision to move
Booz. The upside to this is if we can make a move with Chicago for Tyrus
Thomas, we are into Milsap and Thomas for about the same money as Boozer, which
means we get offense and defense that far out ways Boozer.
However I think some of the key problems start from the top.. Sloan is a good
45-55 wins per season coach, but it takes 60+ to really show you are ready for a
finals. Look what Adelman did to Houston this last year without t-mac. Watch
what happens to Artest this year after being coached by Jackson, Jackson knows
how to get into players heads and get them thinking the right way. Next, stats
only show a portion of a players abilities, which if you see what Milsap has
been able to do, he fills the shoes of Boozer easy, and also is a teammate you
want with his workhorse approach vs Boozer's half effort.
Part 3Look at Boozer in the Olympics... every time he was on the court it
hurt the team and showed how much better talent there is in players like Bosh
and Wade... We need D-Will to go to work in recruiting Wade and Bosh, move
Boozer the cancer, trade AK for Tmac to clear having to pay AK 17 mill next
year, then we have options, resign TMAC on an affordable contract if he does
well, or take that 23 million plus Hapring's 6.5 mill, and go after Bosh and
Wade!!! Deron, Bosh and Wade gets us a ring for sure!!! We won't be
able to change the stgma of this market without getting some big names and thats
what it's going to take to get rings.
Part 4Look at Boozer in the Olympics... every time he was on the court it
hurt the team and showed how much better talent there is in players like Bosh
and Wade... We need D-Will to go to work in recruiting Wade and Bosh, move
Boozer the cancer, trade AK for Tmac to clear having to pay AK 17 mill next
year, then we have options, resign TMAC on an affordable contract if he does
well, or take that 23 million plus Hapring's 6.5 mill, and go after Bosh and
Wade!!! Deron, Bosh and Wade gets us a ring for sure!!! We won't be
able to change the stgma of this market without getting some big names and thats
what it's going to take to get rings.
OK dreamers, we are not going to get Bosh or Wade unless we do a sign and trade
for them this year with Boozer. As free agents they are not going to come here
and play. Tmac has not proven to anyone that he will even be able to play in
the future. He might be done. The best thing the Jazz can do is play out the
season and free up as much money as possible while the youngsters on the team
get experience. If Jerry could develop CJ, Brewer and Koufus and even Fez into
being better players then we could use Boozers, Millsaps, Harprings and Korvers
money to fill in the gaps for 2010. We wouldn't have to rebuild from scratch
but for one year. Save the money now, pay for better players next year. Keep
Boozer for the year. Let Millsap walk, retire Harpring and keep Korver for the
year. Who cares what our record is this year, we are not going to win the
You have to Match Millsap. After this year, he gets 6 to 7 Mil a year and that
frees up money for a shooting 2 or 3. We're going to loose Boozer anyway and
besides, he wants more than $12,700 per year. Look at what other players are
making and you'll see Paul's worth it. AK's contract will be off the books after
next year and the Jazz will reload.
Too many idiot fans posting that the offer is too much. I thought the same way
until I read the details. Remove the signing bonus and the contract IS the 6
million mid-level range. The Jazz need to match the deal, trade Boozer for two
other mid-level players, and rotate Millsap, Okur, AK, and Koufas at PF
depending on the opposing line-up. The Jazz should consider the bonus back pay
for getting Millsap at a bargain the past 3 years.
the jazz will pay 20.6 mil. with the luxury tax. they have to unload boozer in a
lopsided deal, and the only team left under the limit is OKC. they don't want
boozer. any other trade and the jazz still pay the tax.Miles.the blazers finished with 54 wins the second best record in the west
tied with the nuggets and spurs.they were the forth seed due to the tie
breaker. thier also the second youngest team in the league, and with milsap,
well lets let the chips fall as they may. good luck SLC
What is the point of saying you will match any offer for someone you want to
keep. It just encourages a team (IE Portland) to try to figure out a contract
that is to painful to match. It did not work the last time they tried it (Mo
Williams). They kept their mouths shut with CJ and he got a reasonable offer
which they matched.It seems the Jazz Management either are stupid if
they really wanted Millsap back or if they did not then they were trying to get
someone to overpay.I do not get the strategy here??
The loss of this young man is going to come back to haunt the Jazz. Boozer
doesn't even want to be here. Sure, he says he does when other teams pass him
over because he's a classic hold-out type of player. But Millsap is the sort of
role player every team would love to have. Jazz have another non-championship
round year ahead of them and many more to look forward to after that. Sad.
You can have Milsap and the contract that goes with it. We're not going to pay
him 10 times what we paid him last year and pay him $20 million in effective
cost next year. As for your predictions they are accurate until the Suns and
Rockets are shown above the Jazz. They are both rebuilding and have lost key
players (Shaq and Yao) The Jazz will be in the playoffs next year and have a
chance to win it all with Boozer, if he sticks it out for the year.
Correction as far as standings,, if u take a close look,, blazers finished tied
for second place in the western conference, Utah finished 8th.
Suck to let go Paul from the Team, He is a lot better than CJ Miles, also
Kirilenko doesnt deserve the giant paycheck just being a "backup" player, what's
wrong with the organization?????!!!!!!Please keep the good ones, AK 47 is
over, he is not the all star we have years ago, Boozer...he is just a basketball
pimp and CJ...go back to highschool!!!
just say no to millsap. i love paul but for not the money. if you are going to
pay 10 mil then at least try and get odom or try to get lee for 7. keep
booz/williams/okur long term
Inthewilds....Thanks.....My point is the Blazers did not sign Millsap to stick
it to the Jazz. They signed him to get better and compete with the Lakers,
Spurs and Nuggets. We are not the ones to beat out west. I still believe that
for luxury tax issues we trade Boozer and let Millsap walk. Bottom line is
Boozer didn't keep his word and now we are going to lose both PF's. In the long
run, I believe it's the best thing that could happen to the Jazz as AK's
contract is gone in 2011. Just play Koufus, Fez and AK at the 4 and tell Jerry
to change his offense. Or let Memo and Dwill play the pick and roll and
everyone else stand around.
Bosh has already expressed interest in playing with Wade, and walked off the
court with D-will after the game in Toronto, also playing with D-will in the
Olympics, so it's without doubt something possible, especially when D-wade has
expressed that money isn't his biggest concern, winning is. And since neither
team would part with Bosh or Wade in a trade that's a joke to even mention it.
The only way those players become available is on their terms, meaning after
their contracts are up and they choose to go to a team they feel will get them a
ring. As far as TMAC, (Miles) your right he may be done, really it doesn't
matter who we trade AK to just as long as it's expiring contracts to make room
for some new big players next year. The Jazz need to rebuild for sure they
can't compete unless they get a ton better the moves other teams have made... I
think D-will has more pull then many people think, Lebron won't leave Cleveland
so what other all stars would they want to pair with? Utah's a good choice.
I think that the reason that portland wanted Milsap because he is good and
avalable. I think that they should get boozer back to Cleveland, and then sign
milsap back to the Jazz and Everyone would be happy:) un less Boozer can really
show that he wants to stay w/ the Jazz in this season.
I'm glad you're so excited about possibly signing Milsap and finishing your
predicted 3rd in the conference. No one will beat LA so you'll be out in the
first or second round....if thats something to be excited about then good for
you!!!! oh and Greg Oden a BUST!!!!!!Didn't Portand
draft Sam Bowie before Jordan!!!!
BROTHER!!!! I believe that some of the people that post on here have no concept
of the game of basketball.Just because you pay AK too much doesn't
mean you overspend again. Quit complaining about his contract..it's
done...history..finished!!Milsaps has great energy and is a very
strong rebounder for his size. He is a below average defender, has below average
jumpshot and cannot create his own shot off the bounce. I have been
a jazz fan for 20 years believe me when I say Milsap is a product of system.
Remember Shandon Anderson..Byron Russell..Deshawn Stevenson..to name a few. All
thought they would find success somewhere else..all were wrong. Antoine Carr,
Danny Manning, Donyell Marshall, Calbert Chaney had good solid years playing in
jazz system.Wish Milsap the best but he will never be more than a
role player in the NBA. He needs to find out what his agent is smoking because
Portland only targeted him after they were rejected by 3 other players. I too hope they find a way to move Boozer. I find it very difficult to
watch him play. Go Jazz!!
TNJAZZFAN- Besides Turkoglu who was Portland rejected by?
BTW don't confuse me with the more confrontational "Blazers fan."What THREE players did Portland target first???
PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS only want to better themselves and not giving up anything
by offering Milsap a contract. They don't want Odom because he is not right fit.
They needs a PG or PF who can defend (Milsap). By offering contract to Milsap
they will accomplish one of their goals without giving up anything.1) If Utah decides to match the offer keeping Milsap, Utah has to trade
Boozer. One possibility (maybe the only one)to trade Boozer is to Chicago and
that will gives Trail Blazer Kirk Hinrich, a PG.2) If Utah decides
not to match the Trail Blazers will get Milsap.So no matter what
Utah does, the Trail Blazers will get what they want. Are they bully? Stand up
to them, match the offer. It is a smart move, the Jazz only have
themselves to blame for. The Trail Blazers simply takes advantage of the Utah's
cap situation. Now Utah only has only one decision to make Milsap or
Boozer, either way the Trail Blazers will have the player they want all
What's funny, is all the Smack Talking that I have heard from Jazz fans over the
years; about how much better Utah is than Portland. This puts a nail in that
coffin. Portland will win the NBA Championship next year, GUARANTEED!
How about instead of matching the "Toxic offer" by the Blazers.. the Jazz put in
their own "Toxic offer" for Lamar O or the Lakers. The Lakers are only offering
around 5-6 mil which is the same contract as Paul's w/Portland. Lamar is three
times the player as Millsap.. Something to at least consider.
I appreciate what Paul did for the Jazz and his work ethic. It was refreshing to
see. Were we watching someone intelligent enough to know that was the way to the
big ticket or is that really who he is? Once the big money comes, we'll find
out, whether he's in a Jazz or Blazer uniform. Looking at the
dollars, I don't see how the Jazz can take the hit. Long term it will only force
their hand on future deals. I'd hate to lose out on players in the future
because of something they do to fix a small problem.I dislike Boozer
even more for sticking the Jazz for one more season. He absolutely needs to put
up All-Star numbers, and perhaps he will with a new contract looming. Perhaps the team can learn to set contracts so they don't expire at the same
time, if that is even possible.
happen is for Utah to match this deal and keep Millsap. If they do they will
swallow a poison pill this season. They will also be in the Lux tax for the next
2 years. That means they will not be getting good deals on great talent. They will be stuck with an undersized PF who can rebound but who can't
create his own shot, will not draw a double team and defends slightly better
than Boozer. Is that worth 2 years of lux tax and 5 years of
mediocre results? Let Millsap go to POR! Make a 2 year offer to Lee.
If he does not take it get Gooden or another vet for 1 year. If all else fails
trade Harp's expiring contract for a young promising PF. Harp will get released
and come back. Sometime this year trade Boozer for the PF of the
future and also get a shooting SG thrown in. That really helps the
team. If the Jazz get the right SG they can let Korver go to save cap space and
Harp if not already used. Go get the talent that is needed. The next
2 years are great opportunities.
There are some agents that certain teams refuse to deal with. Most agents have
working relationships with most teams. It is a two way street that works for
everyone involved. Millsap's agents do not understand relationship
marketing. They are sending clear signals that they are clowns. They had nothing
to do with Millsap getting this offer. In the long run the Prichards of this
world will deal with them and take their fingers. While the decent organizations
will avoid them.
do not sign paul.
If signing Milsap means keeping Williams happy. it's absolutely worth it.
I wish the Jazz management read some of these posts and took the fans view into
account. Clearly the general consensus is that as much as we (Jazz fans) all
liked and appreciated Paul Millsap's effort as backup to Boozer... we also have
the intelligence and Bball knowledge to realize that he is not worth the crazy
money being offered by our rivals Portland. As many have already said Portland
made this offer to put the Jazz in a difficult position and force them over the
luxury-tax to please their fans. WELL CALL THEIR BLUFF! Let them
have their backup for all-star salary. Turn the tables. Shame to lose Paul, but
not worth financially crippling the Jazz for years to come. We all know the
right move here:LET MILLSAP GO. PATIENTLY LOOK FOR TRADE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOOZER THAT MAKE LONGTERM SENSE. AND IN THE MEANTIME, PLAY OUR
EXISTING PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER THAT WILL BE AROUND FOR YEARS TO COME! GIVE
KOUFOS, BREWER AND CJ THE CHANCE TO DEVELOP. START AK AND TRY AND GIVE HIM HIS
CONFIDENCE BACK. WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE HAVE A BAD SEASON, GET TWO
LOTTERY PICKS AND SALARY SPACE NEXT SEASON
It's been posted elsewhere in this thread, but remember that Paul got paid
around $800K doing Carlos job for him this season while Carlos sat in the Armani
shade cheering him on getting his $12 mill.. If you average Paul's first 3
years at 800K with the next three years at 10 million... average is..what
5.4millions... High, but not an extravagant amount for what he's contributed and
can in the future. Basketball, unfortunately is not a sentimental or very fair
people please use your brains!!!!! the contract for Milsap is not to much. Look
at the money players make that are somewhat equal to him. Ariza,Mcdyess,come to
mind but there is a bunch more.Besides if korver is worth 5 million then milsap
is adleast worth a couple million more.Or has everyone forgot the last game of
the year and milsaps 12 or 14 pts. in a row.Where was Boozer? oh ya, thats
right, on the bench for the whole 4th quarter while Price and Milsap almost
brought us back. To bad the Jazz arent smart enough to offer him a deal
first,They could of made it back heavy instead of front!!!!!!!!! Then if you
knew this might happen how about drafting Dejuan Blair to fill the need. A
backup pg after how Price finished the season? unbelievable!!!!
"But bullies the Blazers are trying to be."Thanks, Yoda.
3 players that blazers coveted much more than Milsaps are Odom, Lee and of
course Turk. So for Paul's agent to be out there telling everyone how Portland
targeted him is a bunch of bull. The only player in recent memory
that Jazz should have kept is Williams. Jazz made right decision concerning
rest. So if they let Milsap go I have to assume they do not see him as power
forward of future as so many of you do.He truly is a scrappy guy but
he lacks the quickness to guard small forwards away from basket and he just
doesn't have the size to slow down the good pf's in the league. Namely Gasol,
Duncan, Amare, Dirk, Garnett, Howard to name a few.
I live on Socal. ESPN radio reported down here, that the Jazz have told Milsap
that they (The Jazz)have matched Portalnds offer. ESPN isn't always correct, but
the do seem to know things before anyone else.
I think I speak for every jazz fan when i say, i just want the jazz to do
something. There has been tons of talk of them doing something, and they have
been trying to make a move, but until they actually do something, and make a
move i will be upset. If the jazz waiting and not actually doing something then
there will be nothing left for them to do, cuz all the free agents will be gone,
and all the teams that have cap (detriot, NY, Portland, OKC) won't have any more
cap so we wouldn't be able to dish off boozer. So just do something jazz!
please! and do it quick before there is nothing more to do!
Milsap is a double double guy only because of the structured system the Jazz
use. The Jazz should let him go and he will soon find out he is not worth
36M....no way. Reconcile with Boozer and give one time all-star AK the ball more
so he can show us some skill with the 16M in compensation. The shots need to go
more to D-will and AK and forget about Milsap. Create space for the following
year to even possibly resign Boozer or a better player.
The Blazers are just trying to tie us down fo the future! Millsap is good
because he is in this system. I want to keep him here, but I honestly wouldn't
mind letting him go and forcing Portland to pay him while he sits on the bench
and does nothing for them! PROFESSOR: Are you Kidding? Did a Portland fan really
just say that? this might be a news flash for you but...even if SLC isn't the
hottest NBA city...Portland draws even less starpower... the sole reason you
have any quality players is because you were so bad for so long that you got a
bunch of good draft picks that have panned out OK for you. Portland is about as
attractive to NBA players as a fat chick with a mustache is to Brad Pitt! But
keep dreaming bro....keep dreaming! GO JAZZ!
Lets get this stright........no one absoultly no one is worth this kind of
money. I wont care if he is gone, nor do I care if the jazz ever wina title, not
if it costs this kind of money. Boozer can go right along with
Millsap. The Jazz should put a team on the floor that wants to play, have fun
and love the game. Go away cry babies. The rest of us are having financial
issues in these times. People that play games for a living should suffer along
with the rest of us.
Hiring your Uncle as your Agent is about the WORST choice ever. He almost ruined
any chance Paul had at getting a contract demanding more than $10Mil, gets lucky
when Portland tries to stick it to the Jazz for spite otherwise Paul is looking
at mid level exception money. Then, with the Jazz supporting Paul and singing
his praise his entire career, his agent bad talks the Jazz organization and Utah
to offend the fans & organization that WAS likely to match an overpriced
contract and make Paul the Long Term STARTER, not bench player!PAUL,
NEVER HIRE FAMILY! FIRE THIS CLOWN! He obviously has no experience as an agent
and even if he did, he can not separate good business and over zealous family
DON'T MATCH. The Jazz are not considering their options carefully if they
match. I know we love Milsap, and he is awesome, but he's not
$10-million-right-now awesome. There are other guys on the market that can give
you what Milsap gives at a much lower cost. Why don't the Jazz make a push for
Odom, spend less money, and actually have some length on defense?
ah heck no, i know you guys don't seriously mean that. you guys can seriously
tell me that letting paul milsap go is a good decision. so let me get this
straight, first we chase booz out, and now pauls leaving, and now your sitting
back and saying, "don't spend the money, hes not worth it." wow, this is why you
guys don't run the jazz, thank goodness we have o'conner
Give me a break. You've got a team that pays Andrei Kirilenko as much as Lebron
James and pays Carlos Boozer 12 million per year and some fans are calling
Millsap overpaid? Paul Millsap is probably wondering why he worked his butt off
but his team might not pay what the market will bear. Why? Because the Jazz
overpaid other guys while Paul was still in college. What were Boozer's numbers
in Cleveland? About the same as Millsap's now. Millsap's getting much less
than what Boozer got, and the contract is only for 4 years. What's more, you
know Millsap plays well in the Jazz system--we didn't know that with Boozer. If
this is a rip-off, it's no where near the kind of rip-off that Boozer and AK
were.How about we admit all NBA players are overpaid? Sign 12
scrubs to the league minimum so the Jazz can go 0-82 while we all cheer on the
Miller family bank account! That's something to root for!? Thankfully the
Millers don't run their team that way.
Milsap was drafted in the 2nd round and therefore recieved a minimum rookie
salary in the neighborhood of 3/4 mil per season for 3 years. The guy worked his
butt off and made a contribution his 2nd & 3rd years to the success of this
team. He has been drastically underpaid for 2 years now, I believe it's time he
was rewarded with a decent contract that is front loaded just to pay him back
for the 2 years he was underpaid, and then after that you only have a contract
that is basically 20 mil for 3 years, and that isn't over paying for his value.
Bite the bullet Jazz your still not over extended with Paul. Bye, bye Booze. Go
I was one of those who that the Millsap offer was way to much, but you have to
admit the guy played way outside his contract and elevated his game each year
instead of whining about more pay and down shifting as a protest. He's earned
his signing bonus and midlevel pay. Ship off Boozer and make this happen!