Millsap doesn't want to be here. Even his fans can't spell his name
correctly.For being touted as the most educated fanbase this is
pathetic.2 "L's" people! Have some respect.
Okur is signed for two more so glad the d news is up on there sh$$ thanks for
having our backs what's up wit the trade now?
Jazz will resign Milsap. If they don't it will be ahuge mistake. First off,
Koufus is an unknown. He played okay when given a chance but the bar wasn't set
very high(especially with all the injuries) There was a time when Utah
fans rewarded hard working players. Milsap is right to want a substantial raise
and the Jazz would be right to be the team giving it to him. Look how
hard he worked when making less than a million a year. How much money do we pay
Boozer and he is the biggest wimp in the league. The fact is that Milsap
works hard, hustles and plays hurt. The Jazz are coached by Jerry Sloan.
Milsap is a great rebounder and is playing in a system that is all about hustle,
deflections and hitting the boardssWhy Milsap? Cause he is a perfect fit,
he is unselfish, Jerry Sloan loves him(which in my book is reason enough) and
the biggest reason of all..............because he's not anything like Carlos
Got some eye-opening reality for those of you that are too emotionally involved
to see any better. Boozer IS that much better on offense, and hardly
worse in TO rate. Since he plays less minutes we will be using Millsap's per-36
#s. Both are for 2009.Turnovers per-game:Boozer 2.1 (2.4 per
36)Millsap 2.0Fouls:Boozer 3.6Millsap 4.5!!!Playoffs:Boozer, 186 min 103 pts, or 20.6 per-gameMillsap,
155 min 59 pts, or 11.8 per-gameMillsap's not going anywhere, least
of all to Por where he'd be paid that much to warm the bench for Aldridge. It's
a Pritchard bluff.
Seriously,Milsap doesn't have a contract on the table from anyone. When
it comes down to it he will take the 1 year qualifying offer, or he will get the
full MLE. Milsap is far from a proven commodity and in the end no one will
overpay. Milsap to Portland is just a rumor. Aldridge is a far superior player
that will demand a fat contract next season. It makes no sense for Portland to
offer Milsap a contract.
Steve-OO.......Well let's see we have 20 million dollars and in 2010 Bosh,
Stoudire and Nowitzki are available. So is Wade at the 2 guard. Joe Johnson and
Redd. Who do you want. There will plenty of premiere players who are better
than either Boozer and Millsap for the money. Heck LeBron might even like
living in the Mountains by next year.
Hey you kids, stop fidgeting!While the rest of the league panics,
making move after move in, need I remind you, a weak FA market after one of the
weakest drafts in years, the Jazz will know each other better than any other
contender.Experience, together, is underrated. The Jazz
can't miss the postseason with Houston and Phoenix blown up, and N.O. In dire
straits. Win the division and Utah is a lock for a first-round home series.
Shawn Marion and Varejao are gone. so the Jazz really need to jump on a good
contract for Millsap. I will throw up if Millsap goes to the Blazers. C'mon
Jazz. What the Heck???!!!!
jazz are going nowhere fast this coming season...get rid of boozer and his 12 +
million last year contract....we all wanted him to opt out and walk away anyway
so who cares what we get for him.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!cut out the cancer
and we will feel better!!
To everyone thinking Koufos can play and help out you are wrong. He will never
be anything. And Drew Gooden would be a waste of time.
Millsap deserves a raise, no doubt about that, it's nice to hear a that another
team is in the process of making an concrete offer to Millsap,that's good news
to him, at least that team will set the bar on how much Millsap really worth,. I
think the Jazz front office must double their efforts in trying to trade either
Boozer or Kirilenko very quickly, so then can match any offer that Millsap will
receive, otherwise say goodbye to Millsap, a type of player that is very seldom
to see now a days
Check out ESPN, supposedly there are trade talks between Portland, Chicago, and
the Jazz. Boozer to the Bulls, Hinrich to the Blazers and Thomas to the Jazz.
Re:MilesThomas a bust? He's still on his rookie contract!!! I will be the
first to admit the dude is waaaaaay up and down but his upside is more than
Millsap and Boozer combined. In the playoffs against Boston he averaged 2.9
blocks and 9.6 points and 6.3 points and 1 steal in only 28 minutes! He hasn't
even touched his ceiling yet. He was a big big reason why the bulls celtics
games went 7 games. He does have a lot of work to do to be a complete player but
our defense would improve dramatically with Thomas over Boozer. Not to mention
last year he only earned 3 mil. I'm with you he isn't as good as Boozer yet but
he will be. Just watch. I really really really hope we pull the trigger on this.
I won't get excited about Tyrus Thomas, partly because I doubt this is even a
legit statement, partly because he's not too great.One positive was his
performance in last year's playoffs. I felt like he played very well and won a
game for the Bulls basically by himself. Like I said... fun to think
about Boozer leaving, but it's not gonna happen for Tyrus Thomas.
@ Miles:You never answer a simple question. I am asking YOU, Mr.
dump everybody on the team but CJ, what YOU think the Jazz can get.I
don't think it's smart to let 2 strong PF players go with the chance you can
pick up another guy. You'd be losing 2 quality players for one. That doesn't
add up to me.
@Chadders....Thomas is a bust. For a 4th pick, he has proven nothing. Keep
Boozer before taking on this bad talent. He can not shoot and can not run the
pick n roll Jerry style. Bad trade. Really bad trade. Stackhouse is
Thomas is a Paul Milsap clone. So basically we give up boozer for Milsap and
Thomas...2 great players,we will make the playoffs, and be bounced in the 1st or
2nd round. With Boozer, at least a healthy, motivated Boozer playing for a new
contract we can at least have a shot at something...
I did the Math. You take Boozer's salary and than you add Hinrich and Thomas's
salary together and the trade works. That is why Portland is not giving up
anything than cap space to the Jazz.
and thats what Utah needs is muscle & toughness, so total tough players that
Utah has that are not afraid to mix it up with anyone ?? = 1 Milsap, unless
Harpring's still around then 2, Jazz are so week physically, they couldn't even
win a Street Fight in Provo, UT.
***4th overall pick not 4th round
Tyrus Thomas is one of the most athletic PFs in the game. He is a very raw
talent that is really young, 22. He has played in about 92% of the games of his
3 year career. He is very up and down. This would work out wonderfully for the
Jazz if they could get him. He was the freshman of the year in the SEC and
co-defensive player of the year. He was a 4th round draft pick and was on the
all rookie 2nd team. This year will be his 4th in the league and that is usually
when players show what they will be. He finished last year very strong, though
he was very inconsistent for the year as a whole. He is not quite as good of an
offensive player as Boozer yet but a huge upgrade defensively. He is a tough kid
and from Louisiana. If the Jazz can get him they should jump on it. We will not
be dissapointed. In the Jazz system he would probably put up at least 18 and 9
with a few blocks and a steal a game.
Cowboy Joe, you are funny. Do the math and try again. But you did get
Anonymous to bite. Got to hand that to you. And who was the poster who said
Millsap is worth 10 million? Not even worth a comment.
IF BOOZER IS GOING TO CHICAGO AND CHICAGO SENDS HINRICH TO PORTLAND AND
SENDS THOMAS TO UTAH..WHAT IS PORTLAND GIVING UP?
ESPN is reporting that the Jazz are sending Carlos Boozer to the Bulls for Tyrus
Thomas, and the Bulls will send Kirk Hinrich to Portland. If this is true
Portland will not make an atempt to sign Millsap. I hope that it is not true. It
seems that the Jazz can find a better deal than this.
Yeah, I saw that and came to the board to see if anyone had discussed it yet. I
am not too familiar with Thomas' game, but at first blush I was a little
confused as to why the Jazz are considering that trade. Sure it
creates some cap space, but I was under the impression that the Jazz are trying
to shave cap space so they can sign Milsap. If they want Milsap back, why would
they want to acquire another PF; especially when we have Okur, Koufos, and AK
who are all capable of playing that position? On the upside, from
the numbers Thomas looks like a decent defensive player: 1.9 BPG and 1.15 steals
in 27 minutes. He also looks like a decent rebounder and shooter. Again I know almost nothing about his game and have only been able to look at
his stats. Anybody have any insights?
How everyone thinks Boozer is so vastly superior to Millsap offensively...He's better now, I'll give you that, but he gets less offensive
rebounds, has more turnovers, and shot at a lower percentage than Millsap this
year, and Millsap is 4 years younger and half the price of Loozer.
till its gone. millie is a steel at 10 mill. what alone 7 or 8 .if i was
starting a team be my first pick. either next year or year after allstar. and
will be way better with a coach.
Hate to disagree with you JJ but Sap got shut down big time when teams started
focusing on him at the end of his period as a starter. He said himself during
his exit interviews he doesn't know how to adjust yet when teams focus on him,
that they shut him down. Doesn't sound like a $7-$9 Million dollar
guy you can call plays for night after night. Sure he can learn ad he will be a
good player in the league but he is no Boozer. He is a good back-up role player
who comes in, gives it his all and does a good job. I like Milsap but he is
definitely not the answer for the Jazz at PF. For $2-$4 million I can get the
same caliber of player out of Wilcox or Gooden.
Rumored three way trade that would send Boozer to the Bulls, Hinrich to Blazers,
and Tyrus Thomas to Utah.www.espn.com/nba
There's no way the Jazz should let Paul Millsap go. He has been one of the most
consistent players for them this past year and has put in the work to get a new
contract. He deserves it. Also the uncertainty of Boozer next year means the
Jazz need someone to rely on in the case that Boozer leaves. No, Paul Millsap is
not a superstar, but he gets the job done.
@Steve-O: For 20 million, just name the player you want.
How do all you experts know Millsap isn't a started? Are you the same poeple who
said, he's only good for about 10 Min, 4pts each night while LOOZER rest. When
he starts getting some plays called for him he'll be golden. The best part
you'll actually see Millsap take a charge, something you'll NEVER see with
Somebody help Kevin O'Connor say yes to a trade!!!! Everything I read says the
other partner is willing, but the Jazz back off. RIP for Boozer straight up was
a done deal if KOC pulled the trigger if you believe the Detroit newspapers.
Hamilton's career numbers are almost identicle in every category to Jeff
Hornacek's. Their style of play is remarkably similar. Who here doesn't want a
2 guard coming off of curls and hitting shots all over the court? Who wouldn't
want a league leader in 3 pt. and free throw percentage? He would do
everything necessary to open up the inside for Millsap/AK to operate.
Millsap works hard on his game and has gotten better every year. Now BOOZ/LOOZ
doesn't work hard at anything and has got hurt every year.BOOZ/LOOZ
scores 20 each night because he shots every time he gets the ball and is very
selfish. However, he doesn't score 20 each night in the playoffs when other
teams guard him. Now Millsap could score 20+ easy, if Sloan actually called
plays for him. He gets 13+ just getting garbage and offensive rebounds. The NBA, ESPN, and 1320 grade players’ way too much on what they
score and not the complete impact they have on a team. BOOZER will always be a
LOOZER and Millsap a real all-star in a couple of years with the JAZZ or ????Think about it Millsap doesn’t get plays called for him!
Everybody is talking about Portland being the team to emulate. I don't see why?
They haven't been out of the first round of the playoffs in years, and they
have been a lottery team for a while other than last year. They don't have a
point guard that will get them anywhere in a playoff series, but aren't looking
to change that. And if you look at the way Aldridge performs in the playoffs,
it proves he's not a prime time performer. They are a crappier version of the
Jazz in almost every aspect.
I love Millsap, he is a Jazz guy. Good person, works hard. However, it isn't a
starter, he can't be paid starter money. If Portland does, that is their
mistake, Jazz need to be smart about all this.
@ Miles:Who do you suggest the Jazz can go get next year with that
money? I'm listening to ideas? And don't say dumb unrealistic names that we
both know aren't coming here!
Trade Boozer and AK to the Pistons for RIP hamilton and Tashaun prince.
who ever keeps putting that picture up needs to be a unrestricted free agent.
is very excited you all are saying let him go. out of 100 blog 1 said too much
money. the rest of the fans very excited dont mind paying him.
You read today’s news and see a Jazzman looking at signing to be a back up
at a division rival. I love Milsap so I was pretty disappointed to read that
but can you blame him -- 7-9 million is A LOT of money.Good news is
there are a lot of free agents out there that produce similar number to Milsap,
as many as nine to ten in fact. Will they all work out in Utah as well as Sap,
likely not but there are good options. Drew Gooden, Chris Wilcox, Marvin
Williams, Hakim Warrick, Brandon Bass, Kleiza, Big Baby, all there and many as
unrestricted free agents. The trick is (as always) who can we get?!If the Jazz choose to spend BIG money I say go for the best player available -
David Lee. Minute for minute he is better, bigger, and has more upside to his
game. Drew Gooden minute for minute did better last year and could be signed for
less. Chris Wilcox is an amazing athlete and could be signed for less too. There are alteratives to Milsap.
I think this offer is bogus. Either this is a ploy by Milsap's agent to try to
up his value (which is why KOC hasn't heard about it), or Portland is making the
offer in hopes that the Jazz will match and go way over the luxury tax for a
role player. Either way, Milsap is a great player worth about 6M a year, but not
much more. If the Jazz want to contend they need more talent at the PF than
'Sap. And Boozer's and CJ's contracts aren't what are killing the
Jazz, it's AKs. AK should be getting about the same as Marion which would put us
well below the tax threshold. I think AK is a terrific player, but we should
have released him two years ago to play in Russia. Both sides would have been
better off in the long run.We'll be fine if we lose 'Sap as long as
we can stay healthy. We had one of the deeper benches in the league last year
which is the only reason we made the playoffs. Our two best players didn't play
together until March.
From the reports about a Boozer trade to Detroit or Chicage and the AK for T-Mac
trade, it's obvious to me that KOC IS doing his job. Us posters needs to
remember that just like tango, it take 2 to make a trade. KOC can be on the
phone 18 hours of the day but until other teams want to play, his hands are
The can't get big names and they don't need them. Trying to get them is a the
wrong strategy. The Jazz needs very competent no names. They need
talented young players who are cheap but good. Look at POR. They have more
talent, a better team, at low cost because they have better management.When the younger players get to expensive, let them go unless they are world
class. Just go get some more developing players. SA does that with
both young and veteran players. They keep the best and rotate the rest. SA,
POR,DEN and NO are small market. The Jazz over pay because L Miller
was personally attached to players and because Sloan loves continuity. I hope that is past and Greg treats the Jazz like a Toyota dealership. Get the
best deals, get the best salespeople and management and compete. Rotate if you
can get better. That breaks the old culture. If Sloan does not like it he will
retire.You have to rotate the tires even on a Toyota. Millsap/Boozer are not world class. They are replaceable in Sloan's system. So
are Okur and Korver.
which means if they get him they don't need and probably never wanted (no
defense, injury prone) Boozer.
@Steve-O...You are just kidding, right? With 20 million saved by letting Boozer
and Millsap go, we can vastly improve our team at PF and beyond.
Actually, I'm not forgetting about cap holds. I don't have the url, but on a
recent convo with Mike Barrett, this issue was addressed - it was demonstrated
how it wouldn't be a problem.The salaries (projected) for each
player were listed, although a couple of current Blazers weren't on the list.The only thing Portland might not be able to do is to keep a guy like
Outlaw or Blake. We can live with that.And btw, from this Blazer fan
to the Utah fans...I've always loved your teams...kind of like a closet Utah
fan. Stockton to Malone may be the all time classic combo and you've done more
with less than anyone in the NBA for years. And Sloan is a fixture.
Other than a couple of people that post to this sight, there aren't any of you
that have a clue about what happens in signing, trading and upper management
decisions. DO NOT MAKE THIS YOUR DAY JOB!!!!
From the DesNews: Jazz general manager Kevin O'Connor, reached late
Wednesday night, was unaware of the development."I haven't heard of
anything," he said.This quote pretty much symbolizes O'Conner's
tenure here in Utah. He's clueless. Everyone in the West is getting better
except the Jazz. Can't we trade O'Conner outta here??????
Is there anyway that the Jazz could get Hibbert? He is more of a true center
then anyone on the current team and then the Jazz could move Memo to the
starting 4 when Hibbert is on the floor or even to start there when Boozer is
gone which would still stretch the floor but give you a post player on offense.
What if they tried to trade Millsap for Hibbert and cash? I could see that being
a good future and after Memo you still haev Koufus to play the 4 or 5.
I really don't understand all of this. I love Milsap as much as the next guy,
but he's a role player. Williams + Milsap does not equal a championship
caliber team, so why would anyone want to pay Milsap a few million less than
Boozer? If he's healthy (and that's a big if) Boozer is a better
player, and makes the Jazz a better team with a legitimate chance to compete.
If you want to make the team worse, then you shouldn't be spending
so much to do it! If you wnat to be average then just let them both go and try
for a draft pick. Otherwise, sign them both if possible, go for it next
year, and if by mid-season you're out of it, THEN trade somebody before the
deadline.The idea of trading a good player (Boozer) just to get him
off the books is flat-out stupid. It makes the Jazz worse...so that they can
sign Milsap? Milsap is not going to lead us to a championship. We'd need
another big-time player to do that.
If the utah jazz couldnt win it with stockton and malone and hornacek and
russell their not gonna win it with. D-Will (**ALLSTAR** third best at his
position behind Chris Paul and Chauncy Billups) ,Memo(worthless),A-K(A-Waste),
Boozer(Whiner), Millsap(soon to be overpaid)
Again, nobody wants to play/live in Utah. You will have to overpay to get
anyone to play there. You will have to overpay to keep players there. That is
how it is. Everyone keeps talking about signing the big name free
agents (and then blaming the Jazz management for overpaying in the past when
they had to do that to get free agents to Utah), but really, which free agents
are willing to go to Utah? Not many. Trades and overpaying are the only way to
get anyone to Utah. Again, that is the reality.I would think that
if a sign and trade is proposed, Boozer would be the first choice for Portland.
They could unload Martell Webster's long-term contract with Travis Outlaw, and
then have a ton of cap space next year when Boozer comes off the books. The big
question would be whether or not Boozer come off the bench for that one year.
Millsap said he would. Either way, it seems a win/win for both teams, as even
with a ton of cap space next year, the Jazz won't be able to lure free agents
there. Portland can.
This will make Portland a much deeper bench, if not the deepest. It will help if
one of our big men like Pryz, Oden or LA (LaMarcus Aldridge) is in foul touble.
He will be a great roll player and bench player to rotate. Rudy Fernandez,
Millsap, Outlaw, Bayless Webster, Oden all off the bench that's scary! Not to
mention the starters, Roy, Aldridge, Pryzbilla, Batum, Blake. This team is I
think can now seriously contend for the title unilike the Jazz. Once again
Utah Jazz stand around and do nothing while Spurs, Blazers, Mavericks, Lakers
all once again make moves and trades. This is why the Jazz will never go
anywhere or win a championship, POR will win the NW Division this year.
Utah could be 4th after OKC, but thats just a maybe. I think OKC has a brighter
future that the Jazz, hahaha
*Yawn* what's that you say? So-*yawn*-ccer? Just thinking about the word makes
me sleepy with boredom.
If Millsap leaves then I see Koufus getting a lot of playing time at the 4 and 5
and Memo could even play the 4 while Koufus plays the 5.
YOU PEOPLE?JERRY IS IN CONTROL AND OCONNER WORKS FOR HIM.ARE YOU
SILLY PEOPLE FOR REAL? AK DOES EXACTLY WHAT JERRY WANTS, COME OFF THE BENCH,
START, COME OFF THE BENCH, START.I GUARANTEE THAT AK IS THE SECOND TO LAST
PLAYER BEHIND D-WILL THAT JERRY WOULD LET GO!HE IS SMART ENOUGH TO SEE
THAT WHEN AK PLAYS WELL WE WIN AND WHEN HE'S INJURED OR OFF HIS GAME WE
DON'T,PERIOD!I ALSO THINK JERRY LIKES BOOZER EVEN THOUGH HE IS A OLAY
DEFENSIVE PLAYER.20 AND 10 IS A PRETTY GOOD PLACE TO BE IN THE NBA.AND BY THE WAY BOOZER IS A ABOVE AVERAGE REBOUNDER.SOME TIMES I THINK
YOU FOLKS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT BASKETBALL COMES FROM BOLERJACK AND THE BOONER.THE THING NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IS BOOZERS LOYALTY?HE HAS NONE!THATS
WHY HE'S ALLREADY GONE IN A TRADE OR FREE AGENCY NEXT YEAR.LISTEN TO
you are forgetting about the cap holds. To the Laker Faker. Kobe's
shooting has declined for the last 3 years. Best though is the fact that where
ever Artest goes the team blows up even if it is not his fault. There are
reasons why HOU did not jump on him and resign him when they knew (and they knew
before it was public) that Yao was out for the season. They did not
want it to be the RonRon show and they knew they would lose their season ticket
holders.The ball sticks to Artest. He will kill the movement in the
triangle. Gasol will lose shots to Artest and Kobe. Poor old Phil will want to
retire. The Laker offensive efficiency will drop next year. You has
better hope Odom signs. POR would be better off to try to get him. LA is a
bigger threat to them than Utah.
Hey as a player, I love Milsap, but if Portland, makes that kind of offer for a
back up power forward, they are crazy. Use up all of their money for their back
up and that brings them to 11 players. Bucher of ESPN says they are
making similar representations to Bass of the Mavericks. I think this is all
smoke, but if they do make an offer I hate to seem him go, but Jazz would be
crazy to match a stupid offer.
The Jazz should pay Millsap and here's why:Boozer is leaving next year.
He makes $12.4 Million as a starter. You match this offer to Millsap and you're
NEW starter is making $7-8 Million for five years.If you don't sign him
you've lost BOTH PF players. Then they're just going to have to pay another guy
big bucks to come play here in 2010. It seems like a lot to pay Millsap 7-8
Million now, but in the long run that will be a bargain for a good starting
PF.The only reason not to sign him is if the Jazz don't feel like he
can handle the starting role. Which is a concern.
back up are a lot weaker than as a starter. He really stepped it up as a
starter. But he stepped it down as a back up. If all the Jazz have
to do is replace his back up numbers that should not be to hard. Koufos should
be able to do that and Koufos plays better defense with fewer fouls. AK certainly could match Millsap's back up numbers and play better defense.
If Millsap can perform like a starter for the next 5 years then he
is worth more. If he is a back up he is easily replaceable. At this
point the Jazz can replace him as a back up and be just as strong. When Boozer
is injured/leaves/traded then the Jazz have a problem. They should have some
time to fix that problem unless Boozer gets injured again.
KOC can't make any moves to get us out of our mess...because nobody wants OUR
From ESPN Mavericks/Marion Story"The Mavericks on Wednesday also
signed free-agent swingman Quinton Ross to improve their perimeter defense and
replace the outgoing Wright. Dallas' moves also would appear to make it unlikely
that it will try to bring back free-agent forward Brandon Bass."If
Millsap goes they should sign Bass. He produces what Millsap does and might be
less..that is if Portland is determined to overpay.The other factor
is maybe portland will just go after Bass and Millsap gets no offer other than
from the Jazz. Cheaper.
I wish al you people spent this much time looking at the real things that
matter, like politics, the wars going on and the American soldiers dieing out
there for some one elses cause, oh yeh and how could I forget the most important
thing out there "Real Salt Lake Soccer". Why don't you JAZZ fans focus on
somthing that really matters, the real world............Go REAL
if portland wants to pay him 7 + a year...let him go....he's not a championship
calibre starter anyway...dwill and okur are the guys you build
Actually Portland will NOT have big salary problems in 2010. They drop another 9
million (Darius Miles) or so off the books in 2010, and have money to resign the
players they want PLUS a little room left over if they want to target another
Are you kidding of course that trade would work but the Raptors are not that
Stupid to trade for AK. Ak is the 7th most over paid player in the league
according to ESPN. What the Jazz need is to ditch AK and Milsap to Detroit for
Tayshaun Prince, and Rip hamilton and if we need to throw in a Draft pick or
kostaDetroit just lost Mcdyess they need somebody to backup and start. We
got to dump AK he is killing us with his contract. I personally still like the
trade that would give us T-Mac. We are going to pay the luxury tax regardless
so why not pay it for one year rather than two if we hav AK.Starting
5 with Detroit tradeMemo CBoozer FPrince FHamilton GWilliams GBackupsSign GoodenListen up KOC We want to
negotiation move by Prichard concerning his talks with Aldridge on an extention.
Those are stalled over money and the recent signings by other PF are making
Aldridge's value go up. In other words, the Millsap offer is smoke
just like OKC. On the other hand, POR has deep pockets and can pay.
If they want to over pay let them. Prichard has had a bad summer.
His drafting was weird at best. Turk biffed him. That offer never made sense to
me anyway. It may make more sense for POR to go after Odom if they can free the
cap. They also have lots of trade pieces and being under the cap could get them
some cheap great players later in the year. POR needs a back PF but
not badly as Outlaw can play back up PF.
To all the KOC haters... All the big money n personnel decisions that have us
currently hamstrung were made my Larry Miller... I'm neither a fan or a hater
of KOC, but the decisions were made higher up the food chain. There is a great
interview where Miller talks about making the Memo/Kirilenko decision while KOC
stood in front of his desk..
I like your wishful thinking, however it will not happen! Boozer and Miles can
go, and we should bring Bosh, then resign Millsap! A.K. can play 4 if we lose
Millsap! Hamilton and Bosh to Utah is like thinking Lebron James and Kobe Bryant
will play on the same team, which is IMPOSSIBLE!
2010 and extention talks Aldridge and Roy stalled, Prichard needs a deal.
However, POR is going to have big salary problems in 2010. Adding a "toxic"
contract for Millsap pushes them over the cap in 2010. POR needs continuity.
They have a young team that can beat LA. Signing Millsap to an
expensive long term contract makes little sense when they have legitimate super
stars who will be making not much more. They might rent Millsap for a year or
two, just to hurt the Jazz. The Jazz on the other hand need to
rebuild and Millsap is nice but not the answer in the long run. In
2010 70 percent of the teams will be over the cap! Just think of the fire sales
and the weak FA market. The Jazz need to pass on Millsap and keep their powder
dry. He will not win them a title. They have to start thinking strategically
instead of trying to pay more for "continuity". If Sloan's system
can handle getting better players and needs "continuity" then it is time to make
a change in Sloan and the system.Get the best coach, system and
players possible. Fans will support.
To the poster who said Portland needs to think about signing Outlaw and Blake.
Not a chance, those two are trade bait and if they are still with Portland when
their contracts run out they will be shown the door. We love what they did for
the Blazers the past few years but we don't see them in the plans for the future
I personally think all NBA players are overpaid. they make more than doctors and
firemen and police officers who actually make a difference in everyday lives.
Let Paul get his money for doing his job if its a backup PF or a starter
wherever he goes to work (play). Its a job that he wants to get paid to do. id
be happy just to make the interest he will get off 8million a year.
You have a big surprise waiting for you. Artest will destroy the Lakers
chemistry. He is not a team player. Good luck watching your team fall apart
this year. Last year was a one time deal, and Kobe is now on the downhill
I think MIllsap is a great hustler and great bench player, but he can not lead a
team to a championship with him as their starter, not here in Utah or anywhere
else. Does anyone know how close we ar to trading Boozer to Detroit? I would
love to see Hamilton in a Jazz uniform. I would also like to see a move between
the Jazz and Toronto... AK47 (although I would like to see him stay) for Bosh.
Or even Millsap, miles and a 1st rounder for Bosh (better deal in my opinion).
Can you imagine..............OkurBoshBrewerHamiltonWilliamsas the starting 5!? Talk about a ring waiting to happen. Does
anyone know if this trade would work? I want to know!
that maybe his is just a ploy by Paul's uncle to set the stage for the big money
he thinks is out there....maybe Portland is really not at the same dollar level.
There is no sense for Portland to pay a back-up this kind of money and then
have to negotiate for more next season to keep their starters.
To all of you who think we can win a championship with Milsap and want to get
rid of Boozer, I have one word. "Idiots". No matter how much I love Paul, and I
do, he is not good enough to take us to a championship. He is a backup. Boozer,
on the other hand, can. He is a great offensive player. We just need to build
some defense around him. I wish Paul the best. I love him on the team, but he
is not a starter for a championship team. He is too small and does not have
enough of a varied game. Get over your problems with Boozer and wish him a
healthy year. We need him.
If this is a real offer I hope Millsap enjoys Portland. I once thought Millsap
was worth that much but with what is available he isn't. I'd rather have Drew
Gooden for 2 years with the MLE than Millsap at 8-9 mil for 4-5 years. Screw it
let's just have AK back up Booz and get a decent backkup 2-3. Millsap at 5-6
good player, Millsap at 8-9 too much and not needed.
Millsap is just the start of the Blazers moves. He will get playing time, as now
Pryzbilla becomes expendable. Be on the look out, Houston needs a center,
Blazers could be setting up a trade that would send Pryzbilla for Battier. One
more move that will make the NW Divsion tougher. Blazers will be a 3 seed. The
Jazz need to move some big contracts in order to compete for the 5 spot in
Ben you are not to bright. CJ's signing is not stopping Millsap from being
signed. What will stop Millsap from being signed is him wanting to much money
for too long of a period. CJ is making peanuts considering the Jazz payroll is
over 70 million. Cheap Cheap for the minutes he plays.
sign millsap now!!!! he is the 2nd best player on the jazz!
Go Lakers!!!!!!!! I love it when the best get better. Artest to LA!!!!!!!
doesn't matter what you Spazz fans think, we are going to win many more rings in
are the right long run answer at PF. That is the 2nd most important position in
the Jazz system. A change has to be made and loosing Millsap to POR for a lot of
money is good for the Jazz in the long run. POR is going to trade him in a year
or two anyway. He is insurance for Aldridge. The Jazz have lots of
options and need to be patient. They will be just as strong without Millsap if
they get the right couple of players in the short run for the minimum and then
trade Boozer/Korver/Harp later in the year or just use the FA market in 2010.There are options out there that give the Jazz enough flex for cheap.
They can get by while they get the right players for the long run. This team with or without Millsap was only a playoff team anyway.They have the mle to get a back up PF or they can trade Harp. Both approaches
are cheaper than matching a bad Millsap offer. AK and Koufos can play PF if
necessary until a trade happens.
If Millsap signs with Portland - the Jazz should match. I am not
sure why Portland is interested in Millsap - (Millsap starting numbers are 16
and 10) Why sign a back up when you have Odon and Aldredge as their starting 2
bigs with Pryzibilla and Millsap as backups) Portland really needs a small
forward and a point guard. If I was Portland, I would be pushing for Odom with
the same intensity as they pushed for Turk. But I am not a GMThe
Jazz should offer Boozer for Pryzibilla. Portland is under the cap so that
works straight up.This brings the Jazz salary with Millsap and Prizibilla
instead of Boozer at 74 million. The Jazz can release Harpring at the trade
line and be under the cap. If Jazz management keeps Boozer (a
player who has disenfranchised himself to the fans, is always injured, never
plays deference, cost 4 or 5 million over what Millsap is going to get paid and
is on the down slide of his career - turning 28) over Millsap. This is
The above post that called it a harassment offer hit it right on the head.
Portland just wants division rival Utah to suffer financially.With
Paul goes one of the Booz-bashers favorite arguments, too...chasing the almighty
7 millionish a BIG MAYBE.8 millionish...no way!!Paul you
are a good player with a great approach to the game but....not that great. Good thing for Millsap there always seems to be a team or two who
overpay for players.Does not seem to make a lot of sense to pay that
much for a backup but then again..Paul Allen has the cash to not really care
that much.FOR ALL YOU WHINING BABIES COMPLAINING ABOUT THE JAZZ NOT
SIGNING ALL THESE FREE AGENTS...GIVE IT A REST!!! I would not want 90% of the
free agents that have been signed.Close your eyes and drift back to
last preseason. We all believed, as did the experts, that the Jazz would
contend for the title. The ONLY reason we did not is because of
injuries..that is the only difference and yet everyone acts like we have a scrub
team or something.I may not love some of our players but IF we by
chance remain healthy this year I bet we easily finish with one of the top 3
records.Guaranteed!!Especially if Millsap does not go.
for the minimum and he is better than Harp and can replace Harp for cheap. That
fixes some of the salary cap problems. It also give some flex if AK has to play
some PF (replace Millsap). That effectively replaces Millsap for
under a million and gives a lot of cap relief. Let POR over pay
Millsap. However, this many just be more smoke out of Millsap's agent uncle. He
fanned the speculation on OKC when there was nothing.
Put Milsap on the list of players that quite frankly we don't need along with
A.K., Boozer and Miles. Sign Gooden for 3 to 5 years for 5 or 6 mil and be rid
of your backup PF and SF problem for the time being. Get Nocioni in a trade for
whatever matching money is needed and move on to the trade deadline in Feb
trying to rid ourselves of the Booze and A.K. Just quit laying in the bushes
This is where I have the Jazz ranked next year so far based on their great
summer moves:1. LA-defending champs enough said unless Lamar
leaves.2. SA-Blair,Jefferson,Mc D plus the big 3.3.
Denver-could be switched for Dallas.4. Dallas-Magnus' fav Gortat +
Marion 5. Portland-More lottery talent than anyone if Oden improves
watchout they could be in the 3 slot!!6. YOUR UTAH JAZZ! ARE JAZZ
FANS HAPPY WITH THIS RANKING AND PAYING LUXURY TAX TO BE AN AFTER THOUGHT! (PS
if no one gets injured? we maybe get a 4 seed at best a 3)Here is
one drastic move. Trade Booz this year, AK in 010 for cap space, sign Okur to
and extension let Milsap walk at 8 million and use two lottery picks next year
plus some cap space to sign a free agent and start over. Why pay the luxury tax
for a team that has no shot....and I mean NO SHOT to win a championship. Re-tool
this roster KO!!
If the Jazz let him go to keep Boozer - it is going to be the biggest mistake
the Jazz have ever made.
Hollywood is right. With salary cap and Lux tax both coming down prudence is the
better course of action. There are other good options. Play some of the younger
guys or AK at PF.
Let Milsap walk sign Okur and Boozer to extensions now that they know the salary
cap is going down they won't feel so bad if you start with their current salary
and go up from there. If the jazz want to go into the luxury tax, sign someone
to a mid-level exception like all the other contenders. So far I'd give the Jazz
an F for their off season moves. Their draft picks aren't setting the world on
fire, and they seem to want to stand pat while other teams are making move to
try and win a championship or improve. I can't wait until Paul signs an offer
sheet. That will basically force KO to do something before Paul walks. A sign
and trade, trade Booz or AK, something....it's been pretty boring around
here.....nothing new there!!
I hate them, but why can't the Jazz take note? They seem to always pull out
really smart moves that get rid of unnecessary players and reload with talent
(that produces). This offseason they have managed to draft Blair, pick up
Richard Jefferson (by dumping Oberto, Bowen, Thomas), and now McDyess. Three
forwards who fill in the spots that the Spurs needed with G's & C locked down
already. Rockets are making big moves that help, and the Mavs may be a
contender again with Marion. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Make some moves that get us out
of our mess!!!!!
When you say you're mad at the Jazz for not being aggressive enough in the draft
or free agency is that because you are able to do a lot of trades on your xbox.
You obviously don't understand basic economics or even the CBA (that's
collective bargaining agreement). The Jazz are limited by the market and what
other teams are willing to do. You're upset that the Jazz didn't move up
in the second round to draft a short, overweight, power forward with no ACLs?
I'm surprised you haven't been contacted to help with player evaluations.
need Boozer or someone like him more than they need Millsap. Sorry, but it's
true. Bye Bye Paul.
8.9 million for Millsap is ridiculous, even if he is your starter. I say let
Portland make a fool of themselves.
Wake up and make a trade that will allow you to keep Millsap!
@Cowboy Joe...So Millsap and his agent were looking for a deal at $10M
when FA started. Did you want O'Connor to step in and offer a "concrete"
contract at that price?Most players and agents have found the market
is soft. They're not getting the deals they want. Only a few teams have cap
space. Detroit gave hefty contracts to Gordon and Villanueva. Hedo is getting a
nice deal. Other than that, not much happening.Millsap was waiting
for David Lee to "set the market." Ironically, it now appears Paul will get a
bigger contract, even though Lee is the better player and has proven he is a
legit starter. But Lee wanted $12M/per. Now he'll be forced to either play for
NY's QO or sign a deal for the MLE.Hate to lose Millsap and make a
division rival better, but $9M is way too much for Millsap.Boozer,
AK and Koufos can man the position this season. Then we can draft a PF with the
NY pick next summer.
If Loozer makes us lose Millsap I am done with the Jazz until Boozer is gone. I
will not watch a game on tv or in person. Period.
Come on people, Milsap is suppose to stay in Salt Lake because he likes it here?
You go where the money is and anyone of us would do it. If your company
offered you 10 times your salary to move to Billings, Montana for five years,
tell me you wouldn't do it. Don't talk to me about athlete's ego to be a
starter, money shrinks an ego. Paul hasn't proved he can be a
starter for 82 games, but look at what some of the FA are getting now. 7-8
million a year with worse stats than PM has, the market talks. Don't put the blame on KOC about the salaries this year. LHM ok'd all these
contracts and knew this year was a killer, Larry did it, especially AK's
contract, his worse business decision ever. Plus the salary and tax ceilings
are going down next year and you just can't say we need to trade AK, his
contract is keeping him here. As far as signing CJ, that's what your super star
PG wanted.Why the Blazers can do this, because of Paul....Allen.
these fans are the same ones who want to lynch Boozer and now they want to throw
the baby out with the bath water.Accusing Paul of going for the
money, what would they do in similar circumstances? Sounding like the money is
coming from their own wallet rather than that of a franchise that has been
collecting millions in luxury tax over the past 5 seasons.Paying
Paul 4 million a year is fine but 7 million is beyond belief by the faint
hearted and fickle Utah fan. Jazz collected more than the 3 million difference
in luxury tax payments just from last year.Bottom line is if we want
Paul on our team keep him regardless, if we think as was suggested that there is
a taller, better PF out there who will gladly play for less money then we should
get him instead, or that Koufous is now suddenly a sound NBA forward who
overnight has become a force to be reckoned with.Get over the money
thing period! Build around good solid players who can help you win. Jazz were
very much aware they would have one season paying the salary cap, this is it.
Is anyone else concerned about Kevin O'Conner NOT hearing about this at all? I
mean... look, something is clearly wrong with the Jazz organization if there
isn't a very strong effort to figure out what other teams are trying to do. But
not surprising. The last 2 season's of doing nothing, not trying to trade
Boozer or AK is now about to bite the Jazz very hard. MAJOR changes need to be
made within the Jazz organization if there is EVER going to be a chance of the
Jazz getting back to the NBA Championship. Kevin O'Conner needs to go...
Any team that gives Millsap a long term contract at 7 or 8 million, or more, is
going to live to regret it!
Benchmarking Varajao and Marion is not bright. However, that sounds like agent
speak. CLE is trying to buy a championship. Varajao is an anomalie
and will probably get over paid. Marion is a 4 way trade with Stackhouse being
dumped and Cuban has always over paid and in the luxury tax. The
Jazz are not and should not make a concrete offer. Millsap and agent were not
reasonable on starting price. The Jazz told him to go get an offer (none). We
will see what Prichard offers but it is likely to be just over the mle with some
type of front loading for one year (poison pill). Millsap may be
worth that to POR or could be traded after this year to clear space to re-sign
POR's FAs. Millsap may not be worth that to Utah in the long run.
They have other options in a bad market. 2010 is going to be an even worse
market. A one year contract replacing Millsap for this year may be a better
move.Koufos can play back up PF until a Boozer trade is done. His
adjusted numbers are as good as Millsap's.
Dear Deseret News:PLEASE stop running that silly photo of Millsap
holding his head. Don't you have any other stock photos of him? We've seen
that one on every Millsap-related article for the past month.
We win with Milsap and lose with Boozer Check the stats. When Boozer was injured
For that price, good luck Paul. A career back up is not worth anywhere close to
that, especially one that does nothing extremely well, besides hustle.Millsap doesn't want to play behind Boozer, but says he is ok behind Aldridge.
Makes no sense. Boozer is older and could be out of town next year, Aldridge
is going nowhere soon. I think this says Paul is looking for one thing, MONEY.
Kind of ironic that the guy leaving to chase more money is the guy Jazz fans
have fallen in love with because he seems so willing to be a team player. I'd say Millsap pulled a fast one over all the Boozer haters who love
Millsap and extremely overrate him.
How do you think POR got a better team than Utah and is still under the cap?
Drew Gooden is still available as I recall. A one year deal with him would
replace Millsap for this year. That gives the Jazz a lot of time and flexibility
to get the PF and back up they need in the long run.
anyone on the books for more than 6.8 Million. They also will need to re-sign
Blake and Outlaw next season.Millsap will be the back up PF and he
sounds like he will be the highest paid player on the team. Prichard is pretty
unconventional and often makes trades but it is unlikely he is going to trade
Aldridge who currently is making less than Millsap is supposed to get. Millsap
could be useful in holding down Aldridge next year as he is a RFA as is Brandon
Roy. In other words POR has 4 important players they need to resign
next year. Overpaying Millsap does not make a lot of sense (just like with OKC).
However, going after Turkoglu did not make a lot of sense either. This looks like it could be a harassment offer for just above the mle with
maybe a signing bonus. That would cost Utah to match it. If they got Millsap
they could trade him after this year but I would expect Blake, Outlaw, Aldridge
and Roy to get a lot more than they are getting even in a bad market next year.
I don't know why in the world Portland would go and offer an outrageous contract
to a player they really don't need. They already have Alridge, Oden, Prizbilla
and batum. They don't have much of a inside presence but I'm not sure how good
of an inside presence Milsap is...yeah he's good in our system but what about
Portland. If Milsap gets a bloated contract, and the jazz match, and it becomes
an AK situation in a few years, that would be worse case senario.I
think milsap is a fine player, and has high potential of starting and being a
very effective player on any team...maybe even an allstar. But right now,
without any proof of that, he is not worth more than 5-7 million a year. If in
the next few seasons, he becomes great and putting up boozer numbers and good D,
than boost him into 10 million range, but definately not now. I
think a lot of teams are staying away because he wants so much...which is
perfect for the jazz.
The jazz should match any offer millsap gets because boozer will leave no matter
what and I think memo might leave also. If we don't sign millsap all we will
have is williams and AK.
Not sure if Paul would continue to get better (improve as he has the last three
years) in the Portland system. Money talks and BS walks. The Jazz will loose
him if they don't get busy.That would leave a huge hole to fill in
the 'toughness' category.
All I have to say is that I am tired of O'Connor getting the free pass.
Honestly it seems that every team in the west is getting not only better but
doing it by signing big free agents.Then there is O'Connor who
honestly has put the Jazz in the position that they are now with his contract
work with current players and while everyone else is getting better it honestly
seems like O'Connor is totally clueless on what is going on around him.Either he is very good at not showing anyone his hand or he truly is clueless.
Either way the Jazz salary is the worst deal in the NBA. They are over the
luxury tax and will have a team that will maybe finish 4th in the west
So if the Jazz are 3 million over the cap right now and they add 9 million to
sign Milsap, they would have to pay approx 12 million next year in luxury tax.
I like Milsap for 5-6 mill but not 18 million. I would suggest a sign and trade
with the blazers for next years first round draft pick.
Wait to Go KOC. You were more worried about Fes not going to summer league
rather than offer Millsap a contract. It is going to cost you many more millions
to match the offer sheet. If you would have done your job Millsap would have
been signed Boozer traded, and Kirilenko traded. Greg needs to hire us posters
we can do better than your. Right Todd?
Wow! Ask me why we signed CJ Miles last year. If I had a choice between Milsap
and Miles the choice is easy. Great Job O'Conner!
Keep Milsap at all cost and deal Boozer to Portland!! Carlos quickly found out
his worth in the league in the free market so he is lucky to have the salary he
is getting for his final year here.
This is why we hate boozer!
I hate to say but goodbye Paul Millsap. Go and chase the money...I don't blame.
Enjoy being career backup.
If Portland offers 8.9 million I don't see the Jazz matching it.While I do love your play Paul, the Jazz can't afford to pay 9 million per
year for a second string undersized power forward.Still ... you'd be
a knucklehead to not accept that kind of offer. So, no hard feelings if you do
end up leaving. Your behavior and play with the Jazz has been exemplary.
Why would Portland over-pay Millsap when he is not even going to be the starter,
and why would Millsap want to go to Portland and ride the bench. Unlike Boozer, Aldridge isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I hope the Jazz don't
match some ridiculous offer - we got ourselves into this mess by unnecessarily
over-paying, I would hate to see us do it again.
if he gets anything more than the MLE. Utah got some good cheap years out of
him. Prichard has been acting strangely lately. His drafting was almost as bad
as MNs. If he overpays Millsap to be a back up PF that is going to cost POR in
the long run. Utah needs to look around for a young, taller,
athletic PF they can get for cheap for insurance. For this year,
until there is a trade, Koufos can play back up PF and Fez can play back up C.
When the Jazz make a trade later this year they hopefully can get
the PF of the future and maybe a shooting SG. Too bad they were not
aggressive in the draft. They could have moved up a few spots in the second
round for cheap and gotten Blair and replaced Millsap instead of letting SA
steal him. But that is the Jazz, slow, timid, conservative and not very smart.
Who cares if Blair has no knees. If you got this season out of him
it would be worth it. He may start for SA at the 4. He will play for SA this
year. The Jazz are slow.
Let him go for that price. Don't do another AK. Millsap is a great role player
but the Jazz need impact players. If Paul wants to live in Portland, Adios
baby. We don't need a backup making starter money.