It's time to get past the notion that if you don't let your tax dollars go
towards insuring a gay man, you don't pay for his health care. The bills of the
unemployed and ill do not magically disappear. By refusing to extend insurance
to families of gay employees, you are encouraging hospitals to raise your health
care costs to cover the unpaid bills of those families.Health
insurance now, or catastrophic subsidies later. You choose.
Your comments are incoherent.Who said benefits are a right? The are
a benefit.They are not "extra", they are part of a "benefits
package" offered an employee to work for an employer. In fairness, all
employees doing the same work should be treated & compensated equally.We are talking about fairness, equality and compassion. I understand that
Chaffetz supporters find treating Gays & Lesbians fairly, equally and
compassionately offensive. But that says more about their values and morals.
Know that those values and morals are not anything to be proud of.These old school ideas are dying fast and those who hold onto them are going
to be left behind by the next generation that is seeking a higher level of
spirituality and equality.
I have been in legislative committees on hate crimes where people argued against
criminal penalties because they would "threaten marriage." On bills about
employment discrimination I've heard calls to "protect marriage." I'm afraid if
I ever attend a hearing on HIV funding I'll hear cries about "the definition of
marriage." I have two things to say to Jason and other Marriage cryers:1-
I'm not talking about marriage. 2- If you want to talk to me about
protecting marriage, talk to me about reducing domestic violence, providing
family planning services to low-income families, offering daycare to families,
or financial planning for newlyweds. Then I'll listen. But if your marriage
depends on keeping gay and lesbian people unprotected under the law, then I
don't want your marriage and I don't think it's worth protecting.
Surprise, surprise. A Mormon Congressman wants Gays and Lesbians to be paid
less in total compensation than straights for the same work.
Either offer benefits equally, or eliminate them altogether.
The sanctity of marriage is already tarnished. This isn't even a question of
marriage it is about benefits. My Boyfriend and I are considered "domestic
partners" that is how he is on my insurance. Does that devalue marriage too? I
told him I don't want to be married until everyone has the same rights as we do.
"Marriage" can be different things to different people. Some people get married
in a church, following the beliefs of that religion. Others opt for civil
marriages, with no religion involved. The term "marriage" is not just for ones
that meet the requirements of certain, oppressive religions; it means any
committed relationship, backed by secular law. Government has no right to
restrict marriages to same-sex couples, just because some regressive religions
think that their marriages are the only "real" marriages. They are wrong.
Now let me make it clear that I’m against gay marriage, but I have no
problem with same sex partners being able to get on same insurance coverage.
Also for other situations like say one of my sisters or brother or parent comes
to live with my family and can’t work I should be able to get her on my
insurance. This issue has nothing to do with marriage.
History will document Chaffetz's poor excuse for human rights. Marriage was not
part of this discussion; the need for health benefits is the discussion. Where does this narrow-minded thinking come from?
How did we get to present norm of an employer offering benefits beyond the
actual employee? There was a time when one member of the family was
the earner. Another member of the family, with potentially the most interesting
but also perhaps the most challenging job, managed the base. Together they
raised a new generation.Now with that model and it is a good
one--likely the best one--only one member of the family has a direct
relationship with the employer but all members of the family need insurance.
Employers, competing with each other for talent, eventually came to the family
benefit.However, once you take the next generation out of the
equation, there is no longer a need for the family benefit. A childless couple
of any sort has two earners and two points of contact with employer benefits.
If your arguments about gay couples not being "legit" marriages hold true, then
all couples without kids should have their benefits stripped away as well. Just
because your views of what is moral and not moral doesn't give you a right to
dictate to people how they will be treated in an equal and fair society. I'm
LDS and feel that giving people agency and LOVE are far more important than
imposing beliefs on others. Isn't it satan's plan to force God's will on
everybody? Whats the difference by shunning out gays and taking away their
rights? You're forcing your beliefs on them so they live how you want them to
live. Gays don't destroy society, discrimination does. People like Chaffetz is
the reason I don't vote republican anymore. If you claim to be Christian, its
hypocritical to deny people their rights to live as they choose. Thats "God's
Plan", liberty to choose how to live your life.
Giving benefits to all couples will just cost those who are single more
money...but they get no benefit. Could we solve the whole problem by providing
a certain amount of money to individuals, then let them buy what coverage they
want? That way we stop discriminating against single people (which no one ever
talks about when complaining about how things "aren't equal").
Chaffetz is engaging in political grandstanding. He is doing this to appeal to
the lowest common denominator of his Utah County base. Federal
benefits for same sex couples is merely basic fairness. How inhumane does one
have to be to act and think like Chaffetz? This isn't Gay Marriage, it's just
extending benefits. I thought a majority of Utahans favored equal benefits, as
long as it's not called "marriage".Extending benefits to all is the
Christ-like thing to do, regardless of how you feel about the sin. How can you
"love the sinner, but hate the sin" if you deny basic benefits? Seems to me you
have to hate the sinner and the sin to be so heartless.
Jason, you have got a lot of guts. That is a really hard thing to do in
Washington in a House hearing. WAY TO GO!
How naive is Chaffez? Many, many private employers offer this benefit to their
employees. In fact, he should check with IHC and find out how many employers in
Utah offer this coverage to their clients.
Jason, me thinks, needs a little "cot talk".
bill goes against other couplesAs Chaffetz points out, the bill to
make things equal - doesn't. Other family structures are discriminated against
and this doesn't help. It is a bad bill, kill it.
I am not gay, but I have a mentally challenged brother that lives with me. He
cannot hold a job and is over age 21 so it falls to me as his only living
relative to care for him and provide for him.Is it enjoyable?? No, it is
not, but I can not afford in home nurse care which he needs nor can I afford all
the meds he needs. I suppose I could abandon him and let him live in a homeless
situation.(That is not going to happen)He doesn't qualify for medicare so
while I have health insurance he does not..So my question Mr Chaffetz,
what are you thinking??? This bill would allow my brother to be included on my
health insurance and receive proper medical care. What if he were your brother
Mr Chaffetz?? Why don't you do what is right for your constituents and quit
running for office until it's time to announce and run. Let's stop the run for
election from the time your elected and think of those that elected you--- Do
your job Mr Chaffetz and think outside the box...
One potential problem of benefits for same-sex partners is abuse of the system.
Any old roommate could apply for benefits.
Chris Cannon wasn't even this Big of a Moron in office, He said and did a lot of
stupid things. My guess is Chaffetz passes Cannon in 6 Months for stupidity.
If the GOP wants to change and attract more voters they need to move on from
these Right Wing freaks in Office, He makes Everyone in Utah look like
hillbillies with what he says and does as a Congressman. God Forbid he runs
against Bennett, Bennett needs to go but not at the expense of getting this
Moron. If you the gop wants to have a Chance at President in 2012 then they need
to not put Palin in and move more to the center of things.
I firmly oppose legislation to define Marriage in any way. I firmly believe
that "Marriage" is between one man and one woman. HOWEVER (and it's a big
however) all of the rights (such as insurance benefits, end of life decisions,
access to patients in hospital rooms, etc) can and SHOULD be extended to couples
regardless of how those couple are made up without calling their relationship
marriage. There are plenty of hetero couples who aren't married who suffer the
same fate as homosexual or lesiban couples. It's simply not right. While I believe that marriage is between one man and one woman, I don't think
it's right to discriminate against other kinds of couples! There is a way to
make both sides happy.
freedom is freedom, and equality is equality. Chaffetz is on the wrong side of
equality & freedom.