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KJB | 12:28 a.m. July 6, 2009

This from a state that takes more in federal tax dollars than it gives back. I'd love to see some of these right-wingers "rise up" against the most powerful military that the world has never known. Talk about high comedy...

Barack Obama is going to be your president for at least three-and-a-half more years, Utah. Time to put on your big-boy pants and deal with it.

Barakodamas sees the future | 12:43 a.m. July 6, 2009

KJB that was a very insightful and intelligent response. I'm just wondering, to what?

mark | 1:14 a.m. July 6, 2009

KJB, it will be eight.

"Freedom is no longer valued, law is ignored, the Constitution is trampled, government-enforced theft of private property abounds, book-length legislation neither read nor understood is jammed through under false pretenses, PC-foolishness and eco-nonsense permeate, unfathomable spending and debt enslave us.

All branches of government have become corrupt."

Paul Sharp, why are you are talking about the Bush Admin still? It's okay, they are gone.

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Reason | 1:29 a.m. July 6, 2009

Great letter. Well said.

Jim III | 5:07 a.m. July 6, 2009

To KJB,

You must be a graduate of the new education system that this nation is subjected to.
You do not know your history very well.
In the 1770's the British had a very powerful military.
It was thought by some that those who wanted to break away from English rule were quite mad.
That those wanted to break free of the English tyranny would never be able to defeat such a military force.
The early Americans patriots (terrorists under the Dept of Homeland Security guidelines of today) really did not want to break the ties with England, but taxes and other unjust policies created by King George forced them to revolt against English rule.
Today this nation is near the same conditions that existed in the 1770s'. High taxes, too many insane rules and leaders that will not listen to the ones who voted them into office.
What will happen in the next 3.5 years?
I really do not know precisely what will happen.
It will get real interesting though.
I have a feeling that these will be considered the good old days. Days of wine and roses.
Wine loses its favor and roses do die.

Stalwart Sentinel | 5:10 a.m. July 6, 2009

Paul,

The revolution is occurring right now and I am happy to report that you are on the losing side. But thanks for the daily dose of foolish rhetoric.

WRK | 6:23 a.m. July 6, 2009

@KJB, better you name should be KGB. You delt with a conservative president so well, and you want to force us to deal with a lying, untrustworthy president by saying we are children. Hope you like the state of the US when this administration is done. By the way, we are talking about what we can do now, the past is in the past, but you "girls" can't seem to let the past go.... So sad for you...

RE: KJB | 7:12 a.m. July 6, 2009

So, KJB, you like what the letter-writer says is happening to your/our country?

We should just buck up and let it happen?

I don't think the letter-writer intends an armed conflict with our military, but rather a cultural revolution that removes current idiots from power.

Too bad that all you can do is call names when such important subjects are brought up. Perhaps whiners like you should be left on the sidelines of such important discussion and leave the serious talk to the grown-ups.

Revolution underway! | 7:37 a.m. July 6, 2009

Hi Paul:

Look around -- a revolution is underway! We've got a president with the guts to address America's oil addiction, get people access to healthcare, stop torture, re-build ties with allies and open dialogue with enemies, exit an ill conceived war on Iraq, encourage energy efficiency, address climate change, use science to set policy, and revive the economy beyond tax cuts for the rich. What a breath of fresh air from the stale Bush era.

Bush believed government was evil and sought ways to gut it. Obama wants to make government work and be responsive to the will of the people to fix all the crises instigated by the Bush Administration. Bush's poor response to Katrina victims epitomized the Bush era philosophy of apathy and government ineffectiveness.

Watching Obama clean up Bush's mess and restore America's integrity amongst its citizens and the world is exciting. Stay tuned!

uncannygunman | 7:47 a.m. July 6, 2009

This is the second day in a row with a letter entitled "Time for a revolution." There sure are a lot of revolutionaries in this state!

Alternative | 7:59 a.m. July 6, 2009

I love what's happening to our country. We're finally dealing with reality, and doing so like adults.

Republicans lost the election fair and square. They deserved to lose. They don't like the fact that they lost - so surprise there. Why are they acting like a bunch of spoiled brats?

What's with the temper tantrums and veiled threats?

Grow up.

fact check | 8:04 a.m. July 6, 2009

We have revolutions in America. They are called elections. The previous adminstration and their supporters were legaly overthrown. Organize and spread your message. Maybe you can be victorious in the next election.

Anonymous | 8:07 a.m. July 6, 2009

Paul, where were you last year? We really needed it then. We had a revolution of sorts in the historic 2008 election. Now help the man elected under the Constitution (as provided for by the Founding Fathers) be successful.

Anonymous | 8:21 a.m. July 6, 2009

Wow, the reich loses one election and its time for a revolution? The entire letter was one run-on sentence straw-man argument. Yes, by all means, move to Montana and join a compound. The adults will go on like we always have. I didnt think it was possible but the AM radio crowd has become even more pathetic.

Locke | 8:29 a.m. July 6, 2009

Vote the bums out!

And do it in the PRIMARIES if you don't want to vote for "the other party."

Roland Kayser | 8:34 a.m. July 6, 2009

I wonder if the letter writer really means what he says. Is he advodating armed insurection against the U.S. goevernment?

to: revolution underway | 8:35 a.m. July 6, 2009

when are people going to stop blaming bush for katrina? don't you understand that he could only have helped if the state's governor asked for it? and no, he did not. in fact, he said he didn't need it. what you need to understand is that if bush had done what you say he should hav done he would have been impeached. oh but i am sure that's why you are so mad about it. you wanted him impeached, and i'm sure the goovernor wanted that to. you guys were just praying for him to go in there and ten impeach him. and as for barak hussein obama, he is gutless. the only thing he wants to adress is that our entire nation and its history is evil. tax cuts? is that all you can say? oh we need more tax cuts for everyone except the rich. well, that's why he won. because america has become a sell out. we sold our morals and principles because he promised a $200 bonus for low income families. are you still going to say the election wasn't bought?

Anonymous | 8:45 a.m. July 6, 2009

This is the first time I have made a blog-style comment here, but the paper (probably inadvertently) edited out much of my letter, making it appear that I advocate revolution, which is incorrect. I clearly hinted that the Second Coming would be the "event" which returns us to Constitutional principles. As for other points:
1 - I abhor both parties' administrations (and Utah's 2 past governors as well). There is "no difference in direction, but only speed."
2 - For those who think government is headed down the right road these days, I can only respond: that's why I think we're beyond recovery. There are now so many stupid enough to believe that government is the answer (there are exceptions such as naitonal defense) that they deserve it.

PAUL SHARP

Patsy | 8:56 a.m. July 6, 2009

Paul, Just trust God and have your food storage. The Prophet will tell us what to do.

Hypocrisy | 8:59 a.m. July 6, 2009

For Neocons, revolution must occur anytime we see anything that we disagree with.

From Registration fees to government bailouts. Maybe if I break my nail on that "Communist" Library door I'll ask to gather the rest of my fellow Utahn citizens for revolution!

Progressive | 9:10 a.m. July 6, 2009

Thank you, "Revolution underway", and all others whith similar sentiments..Viva La Revolution. Paul, if you think the correct path is one that has lead us to third world status in health care, education, and disparity of income then in your own words you deserve it. I don't nor will I continue to stand by and put up with it. Government was the direct cause of this situation, specifically the model of government enacted by Ronald Regan. Only government can fix it.

I hate to tell you Paul but you don't live out on the prarie in your little log cabin anymore. This world is so large and interconnected that the size and complexity of the world requires a pro-active and involved government if we have any desire to fulfill our destiny of freedom and equality.

RedShirt | 9:16 a.m. July 6, 2009

To "Anonymous | 8:07 a.m." Obama doesn't want our helpe. Look at the poll numbers for his policies that he is pushing. The majority of the US doesn't want them, yet he is pushing them anyway.

How are we to help Obama save himself? We now have the economists coming out and saying that everything is about to look like the days of Jimmy Carter.

to paul | 9:21 a.m. July 6, 2009

And I think that there so many stupid enough that think that NO government is the answer, you included.

Patrick | 9:28 a.m. July 6, 2009

Utah needs to have a revolution to over throw the theocratic government of the state and give the Utah people freedom and entry into the twenty first century.

Do your best | 9:32 a.m. July 6, 2009

Do your best to change the situation and then pray that God will intervene to protect good, honest people from government corruption and oppression.

1. Peacefully petition for the redress of grievances.

2. Keep up the clamor for change we can really believe in: reduction of taxes made possible by the elimination of government programs and their bureaucracies, except a bare bones minimum, freedom in the economy, specific controls denying presidential usurpations of power by strictly defining and specifying "executive orders" etc.

3. Maintain freedom of speech and exercise it politely, consistently and perpetually.

4. Be involved in mass meetings and other forms of local democracy.

Cora | 9:49 a.m. July 6, 2009

Rush/Hannity should be proud of this letter.
All of the points in the letter come from the AM radio crowd.
No ideas, just hate. Like the repub leaders would have it.

RedShirt | 9:59 a.m. July 6, 2009

To "Patrick | 9:28 a.m." you forget that they only group of people who eliminated poverty, and willingly share everything was the City of Enoch. That city was a theocracy, headed by a prophet who spoke directy to God.

I think that if we could have a theocrisy headed by somebody who spoke directly to God, that we would be in a much better condition than we are in right now.

As for harping on Utah, what would you like, a government like Michigan, New York, Lousianna, or California?

Personally I wish we had more states like Wyoming that typically pay for a project with money in hand, rather than issuing bonds for them.

@progressive | 10:08 a.m. July 6, 2009

The government can't fix anything. They only prolong the pain and add to it. They've been "pro-active" enough.
This nation is going down. I don't care who is President, who you blame or what kind of positive outlook you may have, it will not change the inevitable. What will fix this nation is Americans, not government. I agree with the letter writer. It's beyond recovery.
It sounds like you're pretty comfortable with the way things are going now that Obama is President. "Pride [and complacency] precedes the fall".

What exactly are you progressing towards?

Taxes | 10:13 a.m. July 6, 2009

Re "Jim III" The taxes were actually very low in colonial days, but that was not the point.

The point was that 'colonists' were denied the 'rights of Englishmen' that is to say their economy, for example, was dictated by royal ministers in Britain, with manufacture severely restricted, and the thirteen colonies coercively restricted to mostly supplying raw materials to the 'mother country'.

The taxation, low as it was by today's levels, was "without representation".

That was the point. Denied the rights of Englishmen by British policy and officials, those rights, and more besides, were recognized, and freely exercised in the new and independent nation -The United States of America.

Jud | 10:19 a.m. July 6, 2009

Mr. Sharp grossly overstates the situation. Bush seemed unable to lead. Obama seems diplomatic, centrist, and thoughtful about his decisions. Some will work out and some won't. But he needs our prayerful support.

Mark B | 10:33 a.m. July 6, 2009

to Paul: I'm ready to accept your sincerity, if not your arguments. If you really think that what we have now is worse than the Great Depression, the Civil War, WW II, the McCarthy era, the burning of the capitol, legal slavery and the Indian Wars COMBINED (as you say), then it's really time to get moving. Tea Parties won't get it done. You must either make plans to defeat our own armed forces (no small task), or convince them to join your quest (also risky unless you have no fear of prison).

OR, you could find a new homeland that fits your style better. May I suggest Costa Rica? It's warm, your retirement dollars go a long way, and a good system would perhaps get you American TV. They have no army, so your chances of taking over are greater, although this also means few conquest-related holidays. If you ditch the revolution plan, they even have golf courses.

Life's full of tradeoffs, Paul. But anyone as stirred up as you should be willing to look at some bold options. Viva la revolucion!

Anonymous | 10:50 a.m. July 6, 2009

"Time for a revolution."
Right. Storm the Bastille for Rush O'Hannity.
LOL!
Where were these neocons 8 and 4 years ago?
It may take YEARS to undo what the previous administration brought upon us.
Meanwhile, they've taken the money and ran away with it.

jackhp | 11:01 a.m. July 6, 2009

LOL! (this is comedy, right?)

RedShirt | 11:24 a.m. July 6, 2009

What is up with the liberals today? Most of their comments are attacking people for the most petty of reasons.

I thought that liberals claimed to love everybody, and accept everybody and their ideas.

Even some of the liberals who typically are reasonable are just on one today. What happened over the weekend that the liberals are out for blood today?

Gus Talwynd | 11:26 a.m. July 6, 2009

"The sky is falling. The sky is falling."

This is the same line that is repeated whenever conservatives are not in power. The don't like not having their way in the halls of power, and they cry "doom and gloom" because they are sitting in the back seat.

Somehow, conservatives are oblivious to how they leave the nation when they lose power. They never understand why they lose it (always assuming that they are "perfect"), and pay no attention to the people who are affected by their policies and decisions.

People just get tired of being pulled over the coals, and having their hopes and dreams trashed. Yes, for conservatives, being out of office is doom and gloom, but for the millions of others, it's a new day. The only "doom and gloom" is in the hearts of the losers.

Ironic | 12:19 p.m. July 6, 2009

I find it hilarious that the same people who were calling anyone who didn't agree with President Bush "110%" during time of war a traitor who should be tried or shot are now the same people calling for armed insurrection and overthrow of the government. The same people screaming about lost "freedoms" want to negate the votes of those they don't agree with via armed force. It's beginning to look more and more like playground bully style thuggery and less and less like patriotism.

children | 12:30 p.m. July 6, 2009

The Right is without a doubt the most childish movement this country has ever seen.

Hatuletoh | 1:07 p.m. July 6, 2009

You know what never fails to amuse me? Hyperbole. Love it. Makes my sides ache from laughing.

After eight years of listening to the Michael Moore-leftie San Francisco liberal shriek of "the sky is falling", now I get to enjoy bloviated pontifications from the defeated jingo Know-Nothings on the right.

Thanks, Mr. Sharp, for being the other side of silly exaggeration coin.

Progressive | 1:34 p.m. July 6, 2009

To @Progressive, nobody wants the government to fix everyting your hyperbole is dopey. By the way "the answer is not the government but Americans" the government is Americans.

Yes I am comfortable with the way things are trending, and what in the world does pride preceeds the fall mean? I thought your ilk was the flag waving I'm proud to be an American type.

And what are we progressing towards, a country that values the freedom and liberty of everyone, an economy that distributes wealth fairly while providing opportunity and rewarding responsibility, and a nation that views itself as a member of the world community.

Anonymous | 1:41 p.m. July 6, 2009

When the going gets tough - the neocons turn professional.
Lose an election and they want a revolution.

LOL!

Anonymous | 1:59 p.m. July 6, 2009

Look at it THIS way:
If we didn't have a government we'd be told exactly what to do and say by the likes of Rush O'Hannity.

SFMI | 2:14 p.m. July 6, 2009

@Redshirt 11:24am It was the celebration of Independence Day that has them out for blood. We had a day to reflect and celebrate the reasons this nation chose liberty and personal freedom.

Treason | 2:20 p.m. July 6, 2009

Idiots that spread this crap are cowards in the “great debate. Those idiots on the right AND left that have stated this crap over the last two administrations ARE INVITED TO LEAVE! It is a democracy, sometimes you lose. It is a good thing for a party to get thrown out of power. It confirms the checks and balances of the system.

This is not the same government of Jefferson, it is a living and breathing system. God bless this great land and its government.

RedShirt | 2:26 p.m. July 6, 2009

To "Anonymous | 1:59 p.m." so, what you are saying is that rather than allowing people to choose who to listen to, you would rather they only listen to the government and what they say is best for us?

WRK | 2:26 p.m. July 6, 2009

To: RedShirt | 11:24 a.m. July 6, 2009
It's a full moon tomorrow... That's when all the crazies come out...

Little Jimmy Brady | 2:41 p.m. July 6, 2009

This guy's video on you tube has been so popular that Obama
called him personally. He said that he was very disturbed with the video and
invited him to the White House. Obama also said he wanted the White House to handle the Press and not to talk about the video or the White House visit.

That's interesting.

Watch it now. This may be the best six minutes invested in your future
You may have to turn your Sound Control up some.

YouTube - We The People Stimulus Package

Anonymous | 2:50 p.m. July 6, 2009

I love it when the radical right like redshirt tries to do the talking for people.

Anonymous | 3:03 p.m. July 6, 2009

When the going gets tough (losing an election) the weird and crazy turn professional.
The radical right has gone around the bend.

Astro | 3:08 p.m. July 6, 2009

In less than a year? Which cave did you crawl out from? The situation you describes has been going on for almost a decade.

Wrex | 3:10 p.m. July 6, 2009

To The Letter Writer:

What exactly are you suggesting people do? Go out and start shooting other people? Tell me, exactly what are you advocating?

If you are advocating violence, then you had better be prepared for the consequences of your words.

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