That response regarding a theocracy, which you can't even spell, is wrong.
Nauvoo was more or less a city-state, with Joseph Smith being both prophet and
mayor. Yet God didn't tell them people would die of ague when they built over a
swamp, nor did he tell them not to bother building a house or a temple because
they were going to move 6 years later, etc. God did tell JS he would die, but
nobody listened so he went to Carthage anyway.That's not how life
works. What's the point of coming to earth if we are going to just have God
tell us how to do things? God doesn't care about housing bubbles, but fat cat
Wall St investors do.I think your point shows a shallow
understanding of gospel principles.
Time to do a little research, my friend. The country was corrupt from day one.
Read about the Revolutionary War: while the Continental Army was starving at
Valley Forge, Congress was living it up. Civilians wouldn't give food to the
soldiers because they were selling it to the British and making tons of money.
Nothing has changed. The world is the same as always: bad.Wanna
talk about confiscating land? Read the Supreme Court's interpretation of
eminent domain to build strip malls in New England during the Bush era. Wanna
talk about corruption? Think Nixon and Watergate.The US has been a
cesspool for a long time. Obama has only changed who benefits from the
corruption, and that's why you don't like him. Admit it.What a
We the People need to take back the government by throwing out the corrupt ins
and replacing them with good and honest people. Problem is, few who are good
and honest run for office.
What a great letter, Paul! I am curious about one thing, however: Did the
Deseret News edit any of your letter? They edited mine so badly on Sunday that
it TOTALLY distorted my message.
You say you want a revolution?You mean the kind that got Boss
Limbaugh a 2nd place finish on Worst person in the word last night. "If we had
any good luck, Honduras would send some people here to help us get our
government back.”Limbaugh is now a Che Guevara wanna be... oh
To "RedShirt, did you really | 12:03 a.m." yes I wrote that. Think about it,
if God (through a mouthpiece) was directly guiding things in government, we
wouldn't have to worry about a housing bubble. He would say, "here comes a
housing bubble, and this is how to get through it quickly." There would be no
need to worry about corrupt politicians, he would know if they are corrupt. You
would never have to worry about businesses "buying" the leaders time.
write:"I think that if we could have a theocrisy headed by somebody who
spoke directly to God, that we would be in a much better condition than we are
in right now."???Egads, man. What are you huffing?
To "time for some R&R | 4:59 p.m. " the funny thing is I don't listen to Rush or
Hannity, and am lucky to hear 15 minutes of Beck on any given day.Since you obviously listen to them more than I do, what else did they say
recently on their shows?To "Hypocrisy | 6:10 p.m." you are correct
"assuming that Obama is spending in the exact same way that Bush did is
incredibly ignorant." Obama spends money much faster.
I have to disagree with you again Mr. Sharp only some of the founding fathers
were leery of government, some prefered a strong central government. Ever heard
of the Federalist papers and that whole discussion. Seems as though the topic
is still not settled and that is the point to this whole discussion.
"I especially enjoy the posts from those that claim that Mr. Bush ruined our
financial future while they ignore the fact that Mr. Obama has already spent
more than all the Presidents from George Washington to George Bush -
combined!"Then you should especially enjoy that while Bush threw
billions of dollars into foreign affairs and "tax cuts" Obama is using billions
of dollars for our own construction, infrastructure, and economy. Yes, they both used a lot of money. However, each one used money quite
differently. Joining them together and assuming that Obama is spending in the
exact same way that Bush did is incredibly ignorant. I love the
ignorance of Neocons!
Mike Richards talks about:"Mr. Obama's defenders"He must be
referring to the hoards of people whofirst registered Democratic (in
droves)and second those who overwhelmingly voted him into office.You
really ought to confine your ridiculous comments to your fellow Limbaughites
Mike.You're sounding like a buffoon.
Mr. Obama's defenders fail to site policies with which they agree. They fail to
explain how the government can take private property without payment. They fail
to explain how Mr. Obama can fire CEOs of private companies, yet they have
plenty of sarcasm when others use their right of free speech to point out that
Mr. Obama needs help - because he is in way over his pay grade.I
especially enjoy the posts from those that claim that Mr. Bush ruined our
financial future while they ignore the fact that Mr. Obama has already spent
more than all the Presidents from George Washington to George Bush -
combined!The more they write, the easier it is to see that the
liberals are either ignorant of the facts or that they see themselves as part of
some elite group that deserves special rights and special favors at the expense
of the rest of us. Mr. Obama has done a magnificent job of brain-washing the
easily swayed. Those of us that have spent even a few minutes
reading world history can see that he is following a path that has led other
nations to financial ruin.
The only changes that were made from Bush to Obama is the money changers in the
temple. Bush was bought and so has Obama been bought just by different people.
People don't want or like what he is doing but a small group of rich people and
companies paid big money for him to get elected and now he has to pay up. This
is the system we have lobbyist buying them and every few years they come back
and get re-elected by us stupid people that think they represent us. Vote them
out often is the best choice.
Had to go to work to help pay for Washington spending.... Now, reading again,
I'm amazed at the vitriol. Most who disagree seem to think it's nothing more
than election results. It's not right or left, conservative or liberals, and
the election is beside the point. The point is what's going on. More here are
taking sides and shooting at one another than contributing intelligent thoughts.
I do agree with one detractor, however, who said there is already a revolution
underway. Seems more of a coup, though: turning the country upside without
regard to law or the Constitution. The Founders were leery of
government and did their best to limit it. Why have a Constitution if you don't
abide by it? There are obviously many who find that wonderful. If those people
value freedom FROM government so little, they deserve to be ruled BY government.
Redshirt's been listening to Rush O'Hannity a bit too much.I'd take a
vacation if I were this poor neocon.He's sounding nuttier and nuttier each
Ironic,"I find it hilarious that the same people who were calling
anyone who didn't agree with President Bush "110%" during time of war a traitor
who should be tried or shot are now the same people calling for armed
insurrection and overthrow of the government. The same people screaming about
lost "freedoms" want to negate the votes of those they don't agree with via
armed force. It's beginning to look more and more like playground bully style
thuggery and less and less like patriotism."These people
aren't patriots except to themselves and their families. They don't care about
others in this country or around the world. Their only concern is how every law
will benefit them. They ignored the consanguinity that binds us as a nation in
favor of their political ideology.My family didn't advocate
revolution when Bush was President even though he and those who voted for him
attempted to harm my brother instead we hoped that he would survive long enough
for us to vote Bush out of office. He fought and defended his country even even
though Bush voters betrayed us.
If I Spent as much time as conservatives spend crying, I would have died of
dehydration years ago. If more conservatives had joined the military they might
have learned:life isn't fair. You lost because of your failed leadership.
grow-up ans get over it.The irony is I'm glad I didn't have to carry
these whiners while I served America.
To "Anonymous | 2:50 p.m." who do you want the people to listen to? Do you want
them to choose whatever radio personality they want to listen to? Or do you
want them to only listen to the government?Simple question, can you
answer it, or are you afraid of what the answer will say about you?
I think the wimgers are confusing losing an election with tyranny. Cry me a
river, then build a bridge and get over it.
To The Letter Writer:What exactly are you suggesting people do? Go
out and start shooting other people? Tell me, exactly what are you advocating?
If you are advocating violence, then you had better be prepared for
the consequences of your words.
In less than a year? Which cave did you crawl out from? The situation you
describes has been going on for almost a decade.
When the going gets tough (losing an election) the weird and crazy turn
professional.The radical right has gone around the bend.
I love it when the radical right like redshirt tries to do the talking for
This guy's video on you tube has been so popular that Obamacalled him
personally. He said that he was very disturbed with the video andinvited
him to the White House. Obama also said he wanted the White House to handle the
Press and not to talk about the video or the White House visit. That's interesting. Watch it now. This may be the best six minutes
invested in your futureYou may have to turn your Sound Control up some. YouTube - We The People Stimulus Package
To: RedShirt | 11:24 a.m. July 6, 2009 It's a full moon tomorrow...
That's when all the crazies come out...
To "Anonymous | 1:59 p.m." so, what you are saying is that rather than allowing
people to choose who to listen to, you would rather they only listen to the
government and what they say is best for us?
Idiots that spread this crap are cowards in the “great debate. Those
idiots on the right AND left that have stated this crap over the last two
administrations ARE INVITED TO LEAVE! It is a democracy, sometimes you lose.
It is a good thing for a party to get thrown out of power. It confirms the
checks and balances of the system.This is not the same government of
Jefferson, it is a living and breathing system. God bless this great land and
@Redshirt 11:24am It was the celebration of Independence Day that has them out
for blood. We had a day to reflect and celebrate the reasons this nation chose
liberty and personal freedom.
Look at it THIS way:If we didn't have a government we'd be told exactly
what to do and say by the likes of Rush O'Hannity.
When the going gets tough - the neocons turn professional.Lose an election
and they want a revolution.LOL!
To @Progressive, nobody wants the government to fix everyting your hyperbole is
dopey. By the way "the answer is not the government but Americans" the
government is Americans. Yes I am comfortable with the way things
are trending, and what in the world does pride preceeds the fall mean? I thought
your ilk was the flag waving I'm proud to be an American type.And
what are we progressing towards, a country that values the freedom and liberty
of everyone, an economy that distributes wealth fairly while providing
opportunity and rewarding responsibility, and a nation that views itself as a
member of the world community.
You know what never fails to amuse me? Hyperbole. Love it. Makes my sides
ache from laughing.After eight years of listening to the Michael
Moore-leftie San Francisco liberal shriek of "the sky is falling", now I get to
enjoy bloviated pontifications from the defeated jingo Know-Nothings on the
right.Thanks, Mr. Sharp, for being the other side of silly
The Right is without a doubt the most childish movement this country has ever
I find it hilarious that the same people who were calling anyone who didn't
agree with President Bush "110%" during time of war a traitor who should be
tried or shot are now the same people calling for armed insurrection and
overthrow of the government. The same people screaming about lost "freedoms"
want to negate the votes of those they don't agree with via armed force. It's
beginning to look more and more like playground bully style thuggery and less
and less like patriotism.
"The sky is falling. The sky is falling."This is the same line that
is repeated whenever conservatives are not in power. The don't like not having
their way in the halls of power, and they cry "doom and gloom" because they are
sitting in the back seat.Somehow, conservatives are oblivious to how
they leave the nation when they lose power. They never understand why they lose
it (always assuming that they are "perfect"), and pay no attention to the people
who are affected by their policies and decisions.People just get
tired of being pulled over the coals, and having their hopes and dreams trashed.
Yes, for conservatives, being out of office is doom and gloom, but for the
millions of others, it's a new day. The only "doom and gloom" is in the hearts
of the losers.
What is up with the liberals today? Most of their comments are attacking people
for the most petty of reasons.I thought that liberals claimed to
love everybody, and accept everybody and their ideas.Even some of
the liberals who typically are reasonable are just on one today. What happened
over the weekend that the liberals are out for blood today?
LOL! (this is comedy, right?)
"Time for a revolution."Right. Storm the Bastille for Rush O'Hannity.LOL!Where were these neocons 8 and 4 years ago?It may take YEARS
to undo what the previous administration brought upon us.Meanwhile,
they've taken the money and ran away with it.
to Paul: I'm ready to accept your sincerity, if not your arguments. If you
really think that what we have now is worse than the Great Depression, the Civil
War, WW II, the McCarthy era, the burning of the capitol, legal slavery and the
Indian Wars COMBINED (as you say), then it's really time to get moving. Tea
Parties won't get it done. You must either make plans to defeat our own armed
forces (no small task), or convince them to join your quest (also risky unless
you have no fear of prison).OR, you could find a new homeland that
fits your style better. May I suggest Costa Rica? It's warm, your retirement
dollars go a long way, and a good system would perhaps get you American TV. They
have no army, so your chances of taking over are greater, although this also
means few conquest-related holidays. If you ditch the revolution plan, they even
have golf courses. Life's full of tradeoffs, Paul. But anyone as
stirred up as you should be willing to look at some bold options. Viva la
Mr. Sharp grossly overstates the situation. Bush seemed unable to lead. Obama
seems diplomatic, centrist, and thoughtful about his decisions. Some will work
out and some won't. But he needs our prayerful support.
Re "Jim III" The taxes were actually very low in colonial days, but that was not
the point.The point was that 'colonists' were denied the 'rights of
Englishmen' that is to say their economy, for example, was dictated by royal
ministers in Britain, with manufacture severely restricted, and the thirteen
colonies coercively restricted to mostly supplying raw materials to the 'mother
country'. The taxation, low as it was by today's levels, was
"without representation".That was the point. Denied the rights of
Englishmen by British policy and officials, those rights, and more besides, were
recognized, and freely exercised in the new and independent nation -The United
States of America.
The government can't fix anything. They only prolong the pain and add to it.
They've been "pro-active" enough. This nation is going down. I don't care
who is President, who you blame or what kind of positive outlook you may have,
it will not change the inevitable. What will fix this nation is Americans, not
government. I agree with the letter writer. It's beyond recovery. It
sounds like you're pretty comfortable with the way things are going now that
Obama is President. "Pride [and complacency] precedes the fall".
What exactly are you progressing towards?
To "Patrick | 9:28 a.m." you forget that they only group of people who
eliminated poverty, and willingly share everything was the City of Enoch. That
city was a theocracy, headed by a prophet who spoke directy to God.I
think that if we could have a theocrisy headed by somebody who spoke directly to
God, that we would be in a much better condition than we are in right now.As for harping on Utah, what would you like, a government like Michigan,
New York, Lousianna, or California?Personally I wish we had more
states like Wyoming that typically pay for a project with money in hand, rather
than issuing bonds for them.
Rush/Hannity should be proud of this letter.All of the points in the
letter come from the AM radio crowd.No ideas, just hate. Like the repub
leaders would have it.
Do your best to change the situation and then pray that God will intervene to
protect good, honest people from government corruption and oppression.1. Peacefully petition for the redress of grievances.2. Keep up
the clamor for change we can really believe in: reduction of taxes made possible
by the elimination of government programs and their bureaucracies, except a bare
bones minimum, freedom in the economy, specific controls denying presidential
usurpations of power by strictly defining and specifying "executive orders"
etc.3. Maintain freedom of speech and exercise it politely,
consistently and perpetually.4. Be involved in mass meetings and
other forms of local democracy.
Utah needs to have a revolution to over throw the theocratic government of the
state and give the Utah people freedom and entry into the twenty first century.
And I think that there so many stupid enough that think that NO government is
the answer, you included.
To "Anonymous | 8:07 a.m." Obama doesn't want our helpe. Look at the poll
numbers for his policies that he is pushing. The majority of the US doesn't
want them, yet he is pushing them anyway.How are we to help Obama
save himself? We now have the economists coming out and saying that everything
is about to look like the days of Jimmy Carter.
Thank you, "Revolution underway", and all others whith similar sentiments..Viva
La Revolution. Paul, if you think the correct path is one that has lead us to
third world status in health care, education, and disparity of income then in
your own words you deserve it. I don't nor will I continue to stand by and put
up with it. Government was the direct cause of this situation, specifically the
model of government enacted by Ronald Regan. Only government can fix it.I hate to tell you Paul but you don't live out on the prarie in your
little log cabin anymore. This world is so large and interconnected that the
size and complexity of the world requires a pro-active and involved government
if we have any desire to fulfill our destiny of freedom and equality.
For Neocons, revolution must occur anytime we see anything that we disagree
with.From Registration fees to government bailouts. Maybe if I break
my nail on that "Communist" Library door I'll ask to gather the rest of my
fellow Utahn citizens for revolution!
Paul, Just trust God and have your food storage. The Prophet will tell us what
This is the first time I have made a blog-style comment here, but the paper
(probably inadvertently) edited out much of my letter, making it appear that I
advocate revolution, which is incorrect. I clearly hinted that the Second
Coming would be the "event" which returns us to Constitutional principles. As
for other points: 1 - I abhor both parties' administrations (and Utah's 2
past governors as well). There is "no difference in direction, but only speed."
2 - For those who think government is headed down the right road these
days, I can only respond: that's why I think we're beyond recovery. There are
now so many stupid enough to believe that government is the answer (there are
exceptions such as naitonal defense) that they deserve it. PAUL
when are people going to stop blaming bush for katrina? don't you understand
that he could only have helped if the state's governor asked for it? and no, he
did not. in fact, he said he didn't need it. what you need to understand is that
if bush had done what you say he should hav done he would have been impeached.
oh but i am sure that's why you are so mad about it. you wanted him impeached,
and i'm sure the goovernor wanted that to. you guys were just praying for him to
go in there and ten impeach him. and as for barak hussein obama, he is gutless.
the only thing he wants to adress is that our entire nation and its history is
evil. tax cuts? is that all you can say? oh we need more tax cuts for everyone
except the rich. well, that's why he won. because america has become a sell out.
we sold our morals and principles because he promised a $200 bonus for low
income families. are you still going to say the election wasn't bought?
I wonder if the letter writer really means what he says. Is he advodating armed
insurection against the U.S. goevernment?
Vote the bums out!And do it in the PRIMARIES if you don't want to
vote for "the other party."
Wow, the reich loses one election and its time for a revolution? The entire
letter was one run-on sentence straw-man argument. Yes, by all means, move to
Montana and join a compound. The adults will go on like we always have. I didnt
think it was possible but the AM radio crowd has become even more pathetic.
Paul, where were you last year? We really needed it then. We had a revolution
of sorts in the historic 2008 election. Now help the man elected under the
Constitution (as provided for by the Founding Fathers) be successful.
We have revolutions in America. They are called elections. The previous
adminstration and their supporters were legaly overthrown. Organize and spread
your message. Maybe you can be victorious in the next election.
I love what's happening to our country. We're finally dealing with reality, and
doing so like adults. Republicans lost the election fair and square.
They deserved to lose. They don't like the fact that they lost - so surprise
there. Why are they acting like a bunch of spoiled brats?What's
with the temper tantrums and veiled threats?Grow up.
This is the second day in a row with a letter entitled "Time for a revolution."
There sure are a lot of revolutionaries in this state!
Hi Paul:Look around -- a revolution is underway! We've got a
president with the guts to address America's oil addiction, get people access to
healthcare, stop torture, re-build ties with allies and open dialogue with
enemies, exit an ill conceived war on Iraq, encourage energy efficiency, address
climate change, use science to set policy, and revive the economy beyond tax
cuts for the rich. What a breath of fresh air from the stale Bush era. Bush believed government was evil and sought ways to gut it. Obama
wants to make government work and be responsive to the will of the people to fix
all the crises instigated by the Bush Administration. Bush's poor response to
Katrina victims epitomized the Bush era philosophy of apathy and government
ineffectiveness. Watching Obama clean up Bush's mess and restore
America's integrity amongst its citizens and the world is exciting. Stay tuned!
So, KJB, you like what the letter-writer says is happening to your/our
country?We should just buck up and let it happen?I don't
think the letter-writer intends an armed conflict with our military, but rather
a cultural revolution that removes current idiots from power.Too bad
that all you can do is call names when such important subjects are brought up.
Perhaps whiners like you should be left on the sidelines of such important
discussion and leave the serious talk to the grown-ups.
@KJB, better you name should be KGB. You delt with a conservative president so
well, and you want to force us to deal with a lying, untrustworthy president by
saying we are children. Hope you like the state of the US when this
administration is done. By the way, we are talking about what we can do now,
the past is in the past, but you "girls" can't seem to let the past go.... So
sad for you...
Paul, The revolution is occurring right now and I am happy to report
that you are on the losing side. But thanks for the daily dose of foolish
To KJB,You must be a graduate of the new education system that this
nation is subjected to.You do not know your history very well.In the
1770's the British had a very powerful military. It was thought by some
that those who wanted to break away from English rule were quite mad.That
those wanted to break free of the English tyranny would never be able to defeat
such a military force.The early Americans patriots (terrorists under the
Dept of Homeland Security guidelines of today) really did not want to break the
ties with England, but taxes and other unjust policies created by King George
forced them to revolt against English rule.Today this nation is near the
same conditions that existed in the 1770s'. High taxes, too many insane rules
and leaders that will not listen to the ones who voted them into office. What will happen in the next 3.5 years?I really do not know precisely
what will happen. It will get real interesting though. I have a
feeling that these will be considered the good old days. Days of wine and
roses.Wine loses its favor and roses do die.
Great letter. Well said.
KJB, it will be eight. "Freedom is no longer valued, law is ignored,
the Constitution is trampled, government-enforced theft of private property
abounds, book-length legislation neither read nor understood is jammed through
under false pretenses, PC-foolishness and eco-nonsense permeate, unfathomable
spending and debt enslave us.All branches of government have become
corrupt."Paul Sharp, why are you are talking about the Bush Admin
still? It's okay, they are gone.
KJB that was a very insightful and intelligent response. I'm just wondering, to
This from a state that takes more in federal tax dollars than it gives back.
I'd love to see some of these right-wingers "rise up" against the most powerful
military that the world has never known. Talk about high comedy...Barack Obama is going to be your president for at least three-and-a-half more
years, Utah. Time to put on your big-boy pants and deal with it.