Readers' forum: Time for a revolution


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  • Re RedShirt 8:15 am
    July 9, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    That response regarding a theocracy, which you can't even spell, is wrong. Nauvoo was more or less a city-state, with Joseph Smith being both prophet and mayor. Yet God didn't tell them people would die of ague when they built over a swamp, nor did he tell them not to bother building a house or a temple because they were going to move 6 years later, etc. God did tell JS he would die, but nobody listened so he went to Carthage anyway.

    That's not how life works. What's the point of coming to earth if we are going to just have God tell us how to do things? God doesn't care about housing bubbles, but fat cat Wall St investors do.

    I think your point shows a shallow understanding of gospel principles.

  • Dear Paul
    July 9, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    Time to do a little research, my friend. The country was corrupt from day one. Read about the Revolutionary War: while the Continental Army was starving at Valley Forge, Congress was living it up. Civilians wouldn't give food to the soldiers because they were selling it to the British and making tons of money. Nothing has changed. The world is the same as always: bad.

    Wanna talk about confiscating land? Read the Supreme Court's interpretation of eminent domain to build strip malls in New England during the Bush era. Wanna talk about corruption? Think Nixon and Watergate.

    The US has been a cesspool for a long time. Obama has only changed who benefits from the corruption, and that's why you don't like him. Admit it.

    What a silly letter.

  • Hear Hear!
    July 9, 2009 12:06 a.m.

    We the People need to take back the government by throwing out the corrupt ins and replacing them with good and honest people. Problem is, few who are good and honest run for office.

  • Joyce
    July 7, 2009 3:27 p.m.

    What a great letter, Paul! I am curious about one thing, however: Did the Deseret News edit any of your letter? They edited mine so badly on Sunday that it TOTALLY distorted my message.

  • J. Lennon
    July 7, 2009 11:53 a.m.

    You say you want a revolution?

    You mean the kind that got Boss Limbaugh a 2nd place finish on Worst person in the word last night. "If we had any good luck, Honduras would send some people here to help us get our government back.”

    Limbaugh is now a Che Guevara wanna be... oh the irony.

  • RedShirt
    July 7, 2009 8:15 a.m.

    To "RedShirt, did you really | 12:03 a.m." yes I wrote that. Think about it, if God (through a mouthpiece) was directly guiding things in government, we wouldn't have to worry about a housing bubble. He would say, "here comes a housing bubble, and this is how to get through it quickly." There would be no need to worry about corrupt politicians, he would know if they are corrupt. You would never have to worry about businesses "buying" the leaders time.

  • RedShirt, did you really
    July 7, 2009 12:03 a.m.

    "I think that if we could have a theocrisy headed by somebody who spoke directly to God, that we would be in a much better condition than we are in right now."???

    Egads, man. What are you huffing?

  • RedShirt
    July 6, 2009 9:21 p.m.

    To "time for some R&R | 4:59 p.m. " the funny thing is I don't listen to Rush or Hannity, and am lucky to hear 15 minutes of Beck on any given day.

    Since you obviously listen to them more than I do, what else did they say recently on their shows?

    To "Hypocrisy | 6:10 p.m." you are correct "assuming that Obama is spending in the exact same way that Bush did is incredibly ignorant." Obama spends money much faster.

  • Progressive
    July 6, 2009 8:31 p.m.

    I have to disagree with you again Mr. Sharp only some of the founding fathers were leery of government, some prefered a strong central government. Ever heard of the Federalist papers and that whole discussion. Seems as though the topic is still not settled and that is the point to this whole discussion.

  • Hypocrisy
    July 6, 2009 6:10 p.m.

    "I especially enjoy the posts from those that claim that Mr. Bush ruined our financial future while they ignore the fact that Mr. Obama has already spent more than all the Presidents from George Washington to George Bush - combined!"

    Then you should especially enjoy that while Bush threw billions of dollars into foreign affairs and "tax cuts" Obama is using billions of dollars for our own construction, infrastructure, and economy.

    Yes, they both used a lot of money. However, each one used money quite differently. Joining them together and assuming that Obama is spending in the exact same way that Bush did is incredibly ignorant.

    I love the ignorance of Neocons!

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 6:00 p.m.

    Mike Richards talks about:
    "Mr. Obama's defenders"
    He must be referring to the hoards of people who
    first registered Democratic (in droves)
    and second those who overwhelmingly voted him into office.
    You really ought to confine your ridiculous comments to your fellow Limbaughites Mike.
    You're sounding like a buffoon.

  • Mike Richards
    July 6, 2009 5:32 p.m.

    Mr. Obama's defenders fail to site policies with which they agree. They fail to explain how the government can take private property without payment. They fail to explain how Mr. Obama can fire CEOs of private companies, yet they have plenty of sarcasm when others use their right of free speech to point out that Mr. Obama needs help - because he is in way over his pay grade.

    I especially enjoy the posts from those that claim that Mr. Bush ruined our financial future while they ignore the fact that Mr. Obama has already spent more than all the Presidents from George Washington to George Bush - combined!

    The more they write, the easier it is to see that the liberals are either ignorant of the facts or that they see themselves as part of some elite group that deserves special rights and special favors at the expense of the rest of us. Mr. Obama has done a magnificent job of brain-washing the easily swayed.

    Those of us that have spent even a few minutes reading world history can see that he is following a path that has led other nations to financial ruin.

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 5:28 p.m.

    The only changes that were made from Bush to Obama is the money changers in the temple. Bush was bought and so has Obama been bought just by different people. People don't want or like what he is doing but a small group of rich people and companies paid big money for him to get elected and now he has to pay up. This is the system we have lobbyist buying them and every few years they come back and get re-elected by us stupid people that think they represent us. Vote them out often is the best choice.

  • Paul Sharp
    July 6, 2009 5:10 p.m.

    Had to go to work to help pay for Washington spending.... Now, reading again, I'm amazed at the vitriol. Most who disagree seem to think it's nothing more than election results. It's not right or left, conservative or liberals, and the election is beside the point. The point is what's going on. More here are taking sides and shooting at one another than contributing intelligent thoughts. I do agree with one detractor, however, who said there is already a revolution underway. Seems more of a coup, though: turning the country upside without regard to law or the Constitution.

    The Founders were leery of government and did their best to limit it. Why have a Constitution if you don't abide by it? There are obviously many who find that wonderful. If those people value freedom FROM government so little, they deserve to be ruled BY government.

  • time for some R&R
    July 6, 2009 4:59 p.m.

    Redshirt's been listening to Rush O'Hannity a bit too much.
    I'd take a vacation if I were this poor neocon.
    He's sounding nuttier and nuttier each posting.

  • God and Family then country
    July 6, 2009 4:22 p.m.


    "I find it hilarious that the same people who were calling anyone who didn't agree with President Bush "110%" during time of war a traitor who should be tried or shot are now the same people calling for armed insurrection and overthrow of the government. The same people screaming about lost "freedoms" want to negate the votes of those they don't agree with via armed force. It's beginning to look more and more like playground bully style thuggery and less and less like patriotism."

    These people aren't patriots except to themselves and their families. They don't care about others in this country or around the world. Their only concern is how every law will benefit them. They ignored the consanguinity that binds us as a nation in favor of their political ideology.

    My family didn't advocate revolution when Bush was President even though he and those who voted for him attempted to harm my brother instead we hoped that he would survive long enough for us to vote Bush out of office. He fought and defended his country even even though Bush voters betrayed us.

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 4:05 p.m.

    If I Spent as much time as conservatives spend crying, I would have died of dehydration years ago. If more conservatives had joined the military they might have learned:life isn't fair. You lost because of your failed leadership. grow-up ans get over it.

    The irony is I'm glad I didn't have to carry these whiners while I served America.

  • RedShirt
    July 6, 2009 3:49 p.m.

    To "Anonymous | 2:50 p.m." who do you want the people to listen to? Do you want them to choose whatever radio personality they want to listen to? Or do you want them to only listen to the government?

    Simple question, can you answer it, or are you afraid of what the answer will say about you?

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 3:30 p.m.

    I think the wimgers are confusing losing an election with tyranny. Cry me a river, then build a bridge and get over it.

  • Wrex
    July 6, 2009 3:10 p.m.

    To The Letter Writer:

    What exactly are you suggesting people do? Go out and start shooting other people? Tell me, exactly what are you advocating?

    If you are advocating violence, then you had better be prepared for the consequences of your words.

  • Astro
    July 6, 2009 3:08 p.m.

    In less than a year? Which cave did you crawl out from? The situation you describes has been going on for almost a decade.

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 3:03 p.m.

    When the going gets tough (losing an election) the weird and crazy turn professional.
    The radical right has gone around the bend.

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 2:50 p.m.

    I love it when the radical right like redshirt tries to do the talking for people.

  • Little Jimmy Brady
    July 6, 2009 2:41 p.m.

    This guy's video on you tube has been so popular that Obama
    called him personally. He said that he was very disturbed with the video and
    invited him to the White House. Obama also said he wanted the White House to handle the Press and not to talk about the video or the White House visit.

    That's interesting.

    Watch it now. This may be the best six minutes invested in your future
    You may have to turn your Sound Control up some.

    YouTube - We The People Stimulus Package

  • WRK
    July 6, 2009 2:26 p.m.

    To: RedShirt | 11:24 a.m. July 6, 2009
    It's a full moon tomorrow... That's when all the crazies come out...

  • RedShirt
    July 6, 2009 2:26 p.m.

    To "Anonymous | 1:59 p.m." so, what you are saying is that rather than allowing people to choose who to listen to, you would rather they only listen to the government and what they say is best for us?

  • Treason
    July 6, 2009 2:20 p.m.

    Idiots that spread this crap are cowards in the “great debate. Those idiots on the right AND left that have stated this crap over the last two administrations ARE INVITED TO LEAVE! It is a democracy, sometimes you lose. It is a good thing for a party to get thrown out of power. It confirms the checks and balances of the system.

    This is not the same government of Jefferson, it is a living and breathing system. God bless this great land and its government.

  • SFMI
    July 6, 2009 2:14 p.m.

    @Redshirt 11:24am It was the celebration of Independence Day that has them out for blood. We had a day to reflect and celebrate the reasons this nation chose liberty and personal freedom.

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 1:59 p.m.

    Look at it THIS way:
    If we didn't have a government we'd be told exactly what to do and say by the likes of Rush O'Hannity.

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 1:41 p.m.

    When the going gets tough - the neocons turn professional.
    Lose an election and they want a revolution.


  • Progressive
    July 6, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    To @Progressive, nobody wants the government to fix everyting your hyperbole is dopey. By the way "the answer is not the government but Americans" the government is Americans.

    Yes I am comfortable with the way things are trending, and what in the world does pride preceeds the fall mean? I thought your ilk was the flag waving I'm proud to be an American type.

    And what are we progressing towards, a country that values the freedom and liberty of everyone, an economy that distributes wealth fairly while providing opportunity and rewarding responsibility, and a nation that views itself as a member of the world community.

  • Hatuletoh
    July 6, 2009 1:07 p.m.

    You know what never fails to amuse me? Hyperbole. Love it. Makes my sides ache from laughing.

    After eight years of listening to the Michael Moore-leftie San Francisco liberal shriek of "the sky is falling", now I get to enjoy bloviated pontifications from the defeated jingo Know-Nothings on the right.

    Thanks, Mr. Sharp, for being the other side of silly exaggeration coin.

  • children
    July 6, 2009 12:30 p.m.

    The Right is without a doubt the most childish movement this country has ever seen.

  • Ironic
    July 6, 2009 12:19 p.m.

    I find it hilarious that the same people who were calling anyone who didn't agree with President Bush "110%" during time of war a traitor who should be tried or shot are now the same people calling for armed insurrection and overthrow of the government. The same people screaming about lost "freedoms" want to negate the votes of those they don't agree with via armed force. It's beginning to look more and more like playground bully style thuggery and less and less like patriotism.

  • Gus Talwynd
    July 6, 2009 11:26 a.m.

    "The sky is falling. The sky is falling."

    This is the same line that is repeated whenever conservatives are not in power. The don't like not having their way in the halls of power, and they cry "doom and gloom" because they are sitting in the back seat.

    Somehow, conservatives are oblivious to how they leave the nation when they lose power. They never understand why they lose it (always assuming that they are "perfect"), and pay no attention to the people who are affected by their policies and decisions.

    People just get tired of being pulled over the coals, and having their hopes and dreams trashed. Yes, for conservatives, being out of office is doom and gloom, but for the millions of others, it's a new day. The only "doom and gloom" is in the hearts of the losers.

  • RedShirt
    July 6, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    What is up with the liberals today? Most of their comments are attacking people for the most petty of reasons.

    I thought that liberals claimed to love everybody, and accept everybody and their ideas.

    Even some of the liberals who typically are reasonable are just on one today. What happened over the weekend that the liberals are out for blood today?

  • jackhp
    July 6, 2009 11:01 a.m.

    LOL! (this is comedy, right?)

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    "Time for a revolution."
    Right. Storm the Bastille for Rush O'Hannity.
    Where were these neocons 8 and 4 years ago?
    It may take YEARS to undo what the previous administration brought upon us.
    Meanwhile, they've taken the money and ran away with it.

  • Mark B
    July 6, 2009 10:33 a.m.

    to Paul: I'm ready to accept your sincerity, if not your arguments. If you really think that what we have now is worse than the Great Depression, the Civil War, WW II, the McCarthy era, the burning of the capitol, legal slavery and the Indian Wars COMBINED (as you say), then it's really time to get moving. Tea Parties won't get it done. You must either make plans to defeat our own armed forces (no small task), or convince them to join your quest (also risky unless you have no fear of prison).

    OR, you could find a new homeland that fits your style better. May I suggest Costa Rica? It's warm, your retirement dollars go a long way, and a good system would perhaps get you American TV. They have no army, so your chances of taking over are greater, although this also means few conquest-related holidays. If you ditch the revolution plan, they even have golf courses.

    Life's full of tradeoffs, Paul. But anyone as stirred up as you should be willing to look at some bold options. Viva la revolucion!

  • Jud
    July 6, 2009 10:19 a.m.

    Mr. Sharp grossly overstates the situation. Bush seemed unable to lead. Obama seems diplomatic, centrist, and thoughtful about his decisions. Some will work out and some won't. But he needs our prayerful support.

  • Taxes
    July 6, 2009 10:13 a.m.

    Re "Jim III" The taxes were actually very low in colonial days, but that was not the point.

    The point was that 'colonists' were denied the 'rights of Englishmen' that is to say their economy, for example, was dictated by royal ministers in Britain, with manufacture severely restricted, and the thirteen colonies coercively restricted to mostly supplying raw materials to the 'mother country'.

    The taxation, low as it was by today's levels, was "without representation".

    That was the point. Denied the rights of Englishmen by British policy and officials, those rights, and more besides, were recognized, and freely exercised in the new and independent nation -The United States of America.

  • @progressive
    July 6, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    The government can't fix anything. They only prolong the pain and add to it. They've been "pro-active" enough.
    This nation is going down. I don't care who is President, who you blame or what kind of positive outlook you may have, it will not change the inevitable. What will fix this nation is Americans, not government. I agree with the letter writer. It's beyond recovery.
    It sounds like you're pretty comfortable with the way things are going now that Obama is President. "Pride [and complacency] precedes the fall".

    What exactly are you progressing towards?

  • RedShirt
    July 6, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    To "Patrick | 9:28 a.m." you forget that they only group of people who eliminated poverty, and willingly share everything was the City of Enoch. That city was a theocracy, headed by a prophet who spoke directy to God.

    I think that if we could have a theocrisy headed by somebody who spoke directly to God, that we would be in a much better condition than we are in right now.

    As for harping on Utah, what would you like, a government like Michigan, New York, Lousianna, or California?

    Personally I wish we had more states like Wyoming that typically pay for a project with money in hand, rather than issuing bonds for them.

  • Cora
    July 6, 2009 9:49 a.m.

    Rush/Hannity should be proud of this letter.
    All of the points in the letter come from the AM radio crowd.
    No ideas, just hate. Like the repub leaders would have it.

  • Do your best
    July 6, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    Do your best to change the situation and then pray that God will intervene to protect good, honest people from government corruption and oppression.

    1. Peacefully petition for the redress of grievances.

    2. Keep up the clamor for change we can really believe in: reduction of taxes made possible by the elimination of government programs and their bureaucracies, except a bare bones minimum, freedom in the economy, specific controls denying presidential usurpations of power by strictly defining and specifying "executive orders" etc.

    3. Maintain freedom of speech and exercise it politely, consistently and perpetually.

    4. Be involved in mass meetings and other forms of local democracy.

  • Patrick
    July 6, 2009 9:28 a.m.

    Utah needs to have a revolution to over throw the theocratic government of the state and give the Utah people freedom and entry into the twenty first century.

  • to paul
    July 6, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    And I think that there so many stupid enough that think that NO government is the answer, you included.

  • RedShirt
    July 6, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    To "Anonymous | 8:07 a.m." Obama doesn't want our helpe. Look at the poll numbers for his policies that he is pushing. The majority of the US doesn't want them, yet he is pushing them anyway.

    How are we to help Obama save himself? We now have the economists coming out and saying that everything is about to look like the days of Jimmy Carter.

  • Progressive
    July 6, 2009 9:10 a.m.

    Thank you, "Revolution underway", and all others whith similar sentiments..Viva La Revolution. Paul, if you think the correct path is one that has lead us to third world status in health care, education, and disparity of income then in your own words you deserve it. I don't nor will I continue to stand by and put up with it. Government was the direct cause of this situation, specifically the model of government enacted by Ronald Regan. Only government can fix it.

    I hate to tell you Paul but you don't live out on the prarie in your little log cabin anymore. This world is so large and interconnected that the size and complexity of the world requires a pro-active and involved government if we have any desire to fulfill our destiny of freedom and equality.

  • Hypocrisy
    July 6, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    For Neocons, revolution must occur anytime we see anything that we disagree with.

    From Registration fees to government bailouts. Maybe if I break my nail on that "Communist" Library door I'll ask to gather the rest of my fellow Utahn citizens for revolution!

  • Patsy
    July 6, 2009 8:56 a.m.

    Paul, Just trust God and have your food storage. The Prophet will tell us what to do.

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 8:45 a.m.

    This is the first time I have made a blog-style comment here, but the paper (probably inadvertently) edited out much of my letter, making it appear that I advocate revolution, which is incorrect. I clearly hinted that the Second Coming would be the "event" which returns us to Constitutional principles. As for other points:
    1 - I abhor both parties' administrations (and Utah's 2 past governors as well). There is "no difference in direction, but only speed."
    2 - For those who think government is headed down the right road these days, I can only respond: that's why I think we're beyond recovery. There are now so many stupid enough to believe that government is the answer (there are exceptions such as naitonal defense) that they deserve it.


  • to: revolution underway
    July 6, 2009 8:35 a.m.

    when are people going to stop blaming bush for katrina? don't you understand that he could only have helped if the state's governor asked for it? and no, he did not. in fact, he said he didn't need it. what you need to understand is that if bush had done what you say he should hav done he would have been impeached. oh but i am sure that's why you are so mad about it. you wanted him impeached, and i'm sure the goovernor wanted that to. you guys were just praying for him to go in there and ten impeach him. and as for barak hussein obama, he is gutless. the only thing he wants to adress is that our entire nation and its history is evil. tax cuts? is that all you can say? oh we need more tax cuts for everyone except the rich. well, that's why he won. because america has become a sell out. we sold our morals and principles because he promised a $200 bonus for low income families. are you still going to say the election wasn't bought?

  • Roland Kayser
    July 6, 2009 8:34 a.m.

    I wonder if the letter writer really means what he says. Is he advodating armed insurection against the U.S. goevernment?

  • Locke
    July 6, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    Vote the bums out!

    And do it in the PRIMARIES if you don't want to vote for "the other party."

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 8:21 a.m.

    Wow, the reich loses one election and its time for a revolution? The entire letter was one run-on sentence straw-man argument. Yes, by all means, move to Montana and join a compound. The adults will go on like we always have. I didnt think it was possible but the AM radio crowd has become even more pathetic.

  • Anonymous
    July 6, 2009 8:07 a.m.

    Paul, where were you last year? We really needed it then. We had a revolution of sorts in the historic 2008 election. Now help the man elected under the Constitution (as provided for by the Founding Fathers) be successful.

  • fact check
    July 6, 2009 8:04 a.m.

    We have revolutions in America. They are called elections. The previous adminstration and their supporters were legaly overthrown. Organize and spread your message. Maybe you can be victorious in the next election.

  • Alternative
    July 6, 2009 7:59 a.m.

    I love what's happening to our country. We're finally dealing with reality, and doing so like adults.

    Republicans lost the election fair and square. They deserved to lose. They don't like the fact that they lost - so surprise there. Why are they acting like a bunch of spoiled brats?

    What's with the temper tantrums and veiled threats?

    Grow up.

  • uncannygunman
    July 6, 2009 7:47 a.m.

    This is the second day in a row with a letter entitled "Time for a revolution." There sure are a lot of revolutionaries in this state!

  • Revolution underway!
    July 6, 2009 7:37 a.m.

    Hi Paul:

    Look around -- a revolution is underway! We've got a president with the guts to address America's oil addiction, get people access to healthcare, stop torture, re-build ties with allies and open dialogue with enemies, exit an ill conceived war on Iraq, encourage energy efficiency, address climate change, use science to set policy, and revive the economy beyond tax cuts for the rich. What a breath of fresh air from the stale Bush era.

    Bush believed government was evil and sought ways to gut it. Obama wants to make government work and be responsive to the will of the people to fix all the crises instigated by the Bush Administration. Bush's poor response to Katrina victims epitomized the Bush era philosophy of apathy and government ineffectiveness.

    Watching Obama clean up Bush's mess and restore America's integrity amongst its citizens and the world is exciting. Stay tuned!

  • RE: KJB
    July 6, 2009 7:12 a.m.

    So, KJB, you like what the letter-writer says is happening to your/our country?

    We should just buck up and let it happen?

    I don't think the letter-writer intends an armed conflict with our military, but rather a cultural revolution that removes current idiots from power.

    Too bad that all you can do is call names when such important subjects are brought up. Perhaps whiners like you should be left on the sidelines of such important discussion and leave the serious talk to the grown-ups.

  • WRK
    July 6, 2009 6:23 a.m.

    @KJB, better you name should be KGB. You delt with a conservative president so well, and you want to force us to deal with a lying, untrustworthy president by saying we are children. Hope you like the state of the US when this administration is done. By the way, we are talking about what we can do now, the past is in the past, but you "girls" can't seem to let the past go.... So sad for you...

  • Stalwart Sentinel
    July 6, 2009 5:10 a.m.


    The revolution is occurring right now and I am happy to report that you are on the losing side. But thanks for the daily dose of foolish rhetoric.

  • Jim III
    July 6, 2009 5:07 a.m.

    To KJB,

    You must be a graduate of the new education system that this nation is subjected to.
    You do not know your history very well.
    In the 1770's the British had a very powerful military.
    It was thought by some that those who wanted to break away from English rule were quite mad.
    That those wanted to break free of the English tyranny would never be able to defeat such a military force.
    The early Americans patriots (terrorists under the Dept of Homeland Security guidelines of today) really did not want to break the ties with England, but taxes and other unjust policies created by King George forced them to revolt against English rule.
    Today this nation is near the same conditions that existed in the 1770s'. High taxes, too many insane rules and leaders that will not listen to the ones who voted them into office.
    What will happen in the next 3.5 years?
    I really do not know precisely what will happen.
    It will get real interesting though.
    I have a feeling that these will be considered the good old days. Days of wine and roses.
    Wine loses its favor and roses do die.

  • Reason
    July 6, 2009 1:29 a.m.

    Great letter. Well said.

  • mark
    July 6, 2009 1:14 a.m.

    KJB, it will be eight.

    "Freedom is no longer valued, law is ignored, the Constitution is trampled, government-enforced theft of private property abounds, book-length legislation neither read nor understood is jammed through under false pretenses, PC-foolishness and eco-nonsense permeate, unfathomable spending and debt enslave us.

    All branches of government have become corrupt."

    Paul Sharp, why are you are talking about the Bush Admin still? It's okay, they are gone.

  • Barakodamas sees the future
    July 6, 2009 12:43 a.m.

    KJB that was a very insightful and intelligent response. I'm just wondering, to what?

  • KJB
    July 6, 2009 12:28 a.m.

    This from a state that takes more in federal tax dollars than it gives back. I'd love to see some of these right-wingers "rise up" against the most powerful military that the world has never known. Talk about high comedy...

    Barack Obama is going to be your president for at least three-and-a-half more years, Utah. Time to put on your big-boy pants and deal with it.