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kearney | 6:49 p.m. July 4, 2009
I'd bet the guy with the 'I am not your atm' sign in the photo
will be the first in line when his insurance tanks on coverage of his next
malady.
Dolts | 6:59 p.m. July 4, 2009
I gotta love an ex-soldier protesting against creeping socialism. This guy has
had great taxpayer-funded health care since the beginning of his career and will
continue to have it until he dies. Why should I be paying for his health care
when he doesn't pay a penny for mine?
StokeyBob | 7:05 p.m. July 4, 2009
Did you ever wonder where the money for things like the subversion of the
world's immigration laws may come from? Also, recently I’m seeing an
ad campaign, using money we don’t have, to sell us on a new health
plan.
It seems to me as long as we allow people to print up fiat money there will be no place in the world where freedom can flourish.
If the Globalist oppose your efforts, paid for with real hard earned money, all they have to do is fire up the presses and shovel the money to any group that will oppose you.
Not only that but it seems they do it in such a way that the money to achieve THEIR goals is borrowed from them. Then we pay interest to a group outside of our country, like the Federal Reserve, on the creation and borrowing of OUR OWN money.
IN ESSENCE THEY BEAT US WITH OUR OWN STICK!
It seems to me as long as we allow people to print up fiat money there will be no place in the world where freedom can flourish.
If the Globalist oppose your efforts, paid for with real hard earned money, all they have to do is fire up the presses and shovel the money to any group that will oppose you.
Not only that but it seems they do it in such a way that the money to achieve THEIR goals is borrowed from them. Then we pay interest to a group outside of our country, like the Federal Reserve, on the creation and borrowing of OUR OWN money.
IN ESSENCE THEY BEAT US WITH OUR OWN STICK!
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No win situation | 7:12 p.m. July 4, 2009
They would have to raise my taxes significantly to equal the astronomical
amounts I'm now shelling out for private insurance. My snarky smarmy agent
told me I should be happy since my premiums hadn't gone up as much as some
other peoples and then he refused to switch my coverage to catastrophic. I had
to call his boss to get the changes I want. It infuriates me that that smarmy
oily tick makes money off me. They raise my coverage rates twice a year to cover
the expenses of other people in my pool, and charge me extra every month for not
using the 3rd party (apparently Barbados based) autopay system to make my
payment. I loathe them. How exactly would government coverage differ from the
bad treatment and paying the bills of others I do with my horrid for profit
private insurance now? Not saying either is ideal. But private insurance in Utah
has some truly bad apples in the business.
I want to know | 7:15 p.m. July 4, 2009
when the next tea party is so that I can join
JB | 7:17 p.m. July 4, 2009
Liberals want health care because they are compassionate. But it is not
compassionate towards our children and grandchildren who will have to pay for
the bailouts, socialized healthcare, cap and trade, etc. Their future will be
ruined by this crushing, unpayable debt.
Why do people not understand that we are not born with guaranteed nannies, just the freedom to try and create opportunity...unless social agendas like cap and trade shackle those future opportunities.
Why do people not understand that we are not born with guaranteed nannies, just the freedom to try and create opportunity...unless social agendas like cap and trade shackle those future opportunities.
Cats | 7:53 p.m. July 4, 2009
Dear JB, liberals are the ultimate example of emotion passing for logic.
I hope the American people are beginning to wake up and realize what a terrible mistake we, as a nation, have made. I fear the Constitution truly is hanging by a thread.
I hope the American people are beginning to wake up and realize what a terrible mistake we, as a nation, have made. I fear the Constitution truly is hanging by a thread.
patriot | 8:04 p.m. July 4, 2009
Interesting how we don't like government involvement in our health care
system, yet our beloved Mitt Romney as the former Massachusetts Governor had the
inadvertent good sense to create the "universal" health-care program
that the White House and Congress now want to inflict on the entire country. It
is proving to be instructive, as Mr. Romney's foresight previews what
President Obama, Max Baucus, Ted Kennedy and Pete Stark are cooking up for
everyone else. This grand experiment Mr. Romney is so proud of is now
bankrupting the state!
If you want constitutionally limited government, RON PAUL is the only true option. Romney supporters come to the reality that he supported the 1rst set of bailouts, wanted Washington to be a partner with Detroit before deciding that maybe he didn't, is for increasing Amercian forces policing the world etc..ad nauseam
Take the red pill!
If you want constitutionally limited government, RON PAUL is the only true option. Romney supporters come to the reality that he supported the 1rst set of bailouts, wanted Washington to be a partner with Detroit before deciding that maybe he didn't, is for increasing Amercian forces policing the world etc..ad nauseam
Take the red pill!
KJB | 8:06 p.m. July 4, 2009
Remember back in April when people said that the July 4th tea parties would
attract ten times as many people? So much for this "mass" uprising;
it looks we're just seeing the same hardcore (and statistically
insignificant) right-wingers turning out again...
@ Dolts 6:59 | 9:53 p.m. July 4, 2009
Because your country (you) promised you would pay for his health care for the
rest of his life in exchange for asking him to do ANYTHING the country needed
him to do for 20 years up to and including the sacrifice of his own life! How
dare you question keeping the promise of health care to our service men and
women. If you want the same promise then get your self down to the recruiting
station and quit your griping!
JB | 10:24 p.m. July 4, 2009
re: Cats
That is so funny you said that. Right before coming on here, I noticed some liberal comments on another thread and thought how interesting that most liberals throw nasty insults with no substance instead of seriously debating the issues. They figure if they call conservatives embarrassing names, then people will be afraid of those labels and quickly move left.
Research, documentation, history, substance...these things tell a story because not everything is relative. There are a few absolutes out there and our founding fathers did the research to discover what those are for political balance and freedom.
That is so funny you said that. Right before coming on here, I noticed some liberal comments on another thread and thought how interesting that most liberals throw nasty insults with no substance instead of seriously debating the issues. They figure if they call conservatives embarrassing names, then people will be afraid of those labels and quickly move left.
Research, documentation, history, substance...these things tell a story because not everything is relative. There are a few absolutes out there and our founding fathers did the research to discover what those are for political balance and freedom.
Milt Lausten | 11:27 p.m. July 4, 2009
I admire these folks. At least they're doing something. Why are so many of
us doing nothing while Obama prepares to declare himself King? My excuse?
I've been lazy. Time to get busy.
Tea Party Holiday | 11:31 p.m. July 4, 2009
The tea party occurred during a big holiday. It should have been held the
following weekend, then more people would have showed. We're all about
fighting taxes, but not on the 4th of July!!! Think, people!!!
re: Kearney | 1:02 a.m. July 5, 2009
Hey Kearney, I bet you don't know that fellow who is holding the
'atm' sign. So how is it that you know this person so well that you
can tell us what this person will do in the event of something that you cannot
forsee, but are willing to make up.
I would imagine that you yourself do not like it when people assume things about you, yet you yourself make a very grand assumption, thinking you can just embarrass people into shutting up so you can get your free stuff.
You really think that socialism will work? Please, tell me WHERE IT HAS EVER WORKED???
It has NEVER WORKED... ANYWHERE..
Every country that has tried it has failed and either fallen, or gotten their act together.
You seem to think that we will go quietly into the night, however you are very wrong. We will not be silenced by the likes of you, spending money that does not exist to solve problems that also do not exist.
Just because someone wants something, does not mean it is a problem for everyone else. It is THAT PERSONS PROBLEM, and no one else. That is freedom baby!
I would imagine that you yourself do not like it when people assume things about you, yet you yourself make a very grand assumption, thinking you can just embarrass people into shutting up so you can get your free stuff.
You really think that socialism will work? Please, tell me WHERE IT HAS EVER WORKED???
It has NEVER WORKED... ANYWHERE..
Every country that has tried it has failed and either fallen, or gotten their act together.
You seem to think that we will go quietly into the night, however you are very wrong. We will not be silenced by the likes of you, spending money that does not exist to solve problems that also do not exist.
Just because someone wants something, does not mean it is a problem for everyone else. It is THAT PERSONS PROBLEM, and no one else. That is freedom baby!
Anonymous | 1:34 a.m. July 5, 2009
Some of the church taxes need to be evaluated. We're all paying for BYU
students whose tuition is subsidized by all tithe payers. This isn't fair
either. Every time we turn around there is a new fund. Perpetual education,
humanitatian fund, missionary fund, etc. in addition to tithing. With al the
billions in the bank, why are members asked to come up with increasingly more.
Lots of the money goes toward shopping centers, apartment complexes, and other
commercial enterprises. Its a difficult time and I think some of this is
excessive.
Anonymous | 1:36 a.m. July 5, 2009
300 people out of a state of over 2 million. This is impressive.
"You really think that socialism will work? Please, tell me WHERE IT HAS EVER WORKED???"
Where has capitalism worked without regulation? Remember the Long Depression of the 1890's and thirty years later there was the Great Depression? Before these there was the Trusts, robber barons, slavery, child labor, sweat shops, inflected meat, government troops shooting workers and Joe Hill.
You teabeggers. This single American has to pay more taxes to rise your kids and to support your marriages? Did you whine about the 3.2 billion the rest of us paid for Utah's 15 mins. of fame in 2002?
We Americans outside Utah; let welfare ranchers graze below market value. We let mining companies take our ore without paying royalties and we pay to fight wildfires. Utahans get $1.28 for each dollar you pay in federal taxes. Us Californians don't get back a dollar for a dollar.
Cry me a river.
Back to socialism. Did Fox New tell you than the Japanese auto industry's research and development was and is government founded? Did government work?
"You really think that socialism will work? Please, tell me WHERE IT HAS EVER WORKED???"
Where has capitalism worked without regulation? Remember the Long Depression of the 1890's and thirty years later there was the Great Depression? Before these there was the Trusts, robber barons, slavery, child labor, sweat shops, inflected meat, government troops shooting workers and Joe Hill.
You teabeggers. This single American has to pay more taxes to rise your kids and to support your marriages? Did you whine about the 3.2 billion the rest of us paid for Utah's 15 mins. of fame in 2002?
We Americans outside Utah; let welfare ranchers graze below market value. We let mining companies take our ore without paying royalties and we pay to fight wildfires. Utahans get $1.28 for each dollar you pay in federal taxes. Us Californians don't get back a dollar for a dollar.
Cry me a river.
Back to socialism. Did Fox New tell you than the Japanese auto industry's research and development was and is government founded? Did government work?
The Aggressively Stupid | 1:51 a.m. July 5, 2009
These protesters (and many of these posters) sound like the convention of the
aggressively stupid. Their views are not rooted in reality or a basic
understanding of the issues. I am guessing the vast majority were raised by
republican parents, and are therefore republican without actually thinking for
themselves. They will simply oppose everything President Obama does because he
is a Democrat. Stop merely repeating what the conservative Christian extremist
media tells you to believe. They are not telling you the truth. Think for
yourselves!!
The truth is, Reagan, Bush, and Bush expanded government spending and created record deficits. Clinton balanced the budget. Obama's stated goal is to balance the budget before he leaves office. Those are the facts the Christian conservative extremist media does not talk about. Which is the fiscally responsible party of the past 30 years?
PS. Has another conservative christian extremist who preaches to Americans about morality cheated on his wife yet this weekend? Check the local parks, I'm sure you will find several.
The truth is, Reagan, Bush, and Bush expanded government spending and created record deficits. Clinton balanced the budget. Obama's stated goal is to balance the budget before he leaves office. Those are the facts the Christian conservative extremist media does not talk about. Which is the fiscally responsible party of the past 30 years?
PS. Has another conservative christian extremist who preaches to Americans about morality cheated on his wife yet this weekend? Check the local parks, I'm sure you will find several.
re: Dolts | 2:09 a.m. July 5, 2009
He helped purchase your freedom. Unless you served in the armed forces you
haven't paid a penny for yours or his. I happily pay taxes to help pay
healthcare costs for ex-soldiers- but not for deadbeat losers.
Recent article | 4:06 a.m. July 5, 2009
A recent article quoted that only 49% of americans have any patriotism for the
United States. I guess that means the other 51% are socialist and want the
government to continually be their God Fathers and provide for them.
If so many want socialized health care then why are they willing to waste their money on an insurance premium that does not guarantee socialized health care?
We can blame the news media for lack of turnout because they too want socialism. The news media never once published any information about a 'Tea' party rebellion. And only limit their story to humiliate and call them dissenters. Remember people, it was those dissenters that died for our freedoms and wrote our constitution.
In writing our constitution they left out socialism and its programs for a reason, to allow all to earn their keep. Like Hitler, Obama is using the poor and the word free to further the cause of socialism.
The real problem with american people is they are not organized to fight for what they deserve, and they deserve better pay and wages so they can afford to pay for their own health care and food.
If so many want socialized health care then why are they willing to waste their money on an insurance premium that does not guarantee socialized health care?
We can blame the news media for lack of turnout because they too want socialism. The news media never once published any information about a 'Tea' party rebellion. And only limit their story to humiliate and call them dissenters. Remember people, it was those dissenters that died for our freedoms and wrote our constitution.
In writing our constitution they left out socialism and its programs for a reason, to allow all to earn their keep. Like Hitler, Obama is using the poor and the word free to further the cause of socialism.
The real problem with american people is they are not organized to fight for what they deserve, and they deserve better pay and wages so they can afford to pay for their own health care and food.
J Rett | 5:24 a.m. July 5, 2009
Dolt, what a great name. Why should you pay for a soldier's health care?
Did you really ask that stupid a question? I guess their is no hope for some.
PS: The total debt is 99 Trillion, with all the government programs...ALL, So stop pointing fingers at who did what...We need to Stop Spending...figure out how to get out of this mess...before we loose our country.
PS: The total debt is 99 Trillion, with all the government programs...ALL, So stop pointing fingers at who did what...We need to Stop Spending...figure out how to get out of this mess...before we loose our country.
GWB | 6:15 a.m. July 5, 2009
hey JB, you say "Liberals want health care because they are compassionate.
But it is not compassionate towards our children and grandchildren who will have
to pay for the bailouts"
Please remind me again which Liberal President signed the Bailout bill?
Which Liberal Secretary of the Treasury gave away Bailoout Billions to Banks that were run by his friends from his days as the CEO of Goldman Sachs?
Oh, that's right, it was the Republican George Bush and his Treasury Sec Paulson.
It is os funny that you Republicans can't seem to get your facts straight on the bailout.
It was a Republican socialist program to socialize the corporate losses while they privatize the profits.
That is why Repubs are so upset with Obama on the GM front. Bush was socializing the losses by preventing bankruptcy, then Obama stepped in and decided to keep the profits for those who saved the company, the public.
Please remind me again which Liberal President signed the Bailout bill?
Which Liberal Secretary of the Treasury gave away Bailoout Billions to Banks that were run by his friends from his days as the CEO of Goldman Sachs?
Oh, that's right, it was the Republican George Bush and his Treasury Sec Paulson.
It is os funny that you Republicans can't seem to get your facts straight on the bailout.
It was a Republican socialist program to socialize the corporate losses while they privatize the profits.
That is why Repubs are so upset with Obama on the GM front. Bush was socializing the losses by preventing bankruptcy, then Obama stepped in and decided to keep the profits for those who saved the company, the public.
Eugene | 6:54 a.m. July 5, 2009
Boy, have you read many of these anti-American lies trying to be posted here?
So many are being brainwashed by Obamamania that they will gladly jump off the proverbial cliff if he were only to ask.
Wait, I believe the annointed one has already driven us off the cliff like sheep and the jagged rocks are rapidly approaching.
Wake up, America, before it is to late!!
So many are being brainwashed by Obamamania that they will gladly jump off the proverbial cliff if he were only to ask.
Wait, I believe the annointed one has already driven us off the cliff like sheep and the jagged rocks are rapidly approaching.
Wake up, America, before it is to late!!
Dixie Dan | 6:57 a.m. July 5, 2009
After 8 long years of Bushism rule and trashing our Constituion, we need to
purge what he did. While some may not like Obama, he sure is a welcome breath
of fresh air over the Bush/Cheney fiasco.
Huh? | 7:00 a.m. July 5, 2009
Did I just read a comment from a Kalifornian telling me how great socialism is?
Kalifornia is one of the most "progressive" states in the union and is
a perfect model of how socialism will result in failure. Suck it up, Anonymous.
Nobody forces your government to spend more than they bring in except the
ignorant voters, but don't feel bad. The whole country seems to be
following your example of how to make your economy a failure.
ustraveler | 7:21 a.m. July 5, 2009
A couple of points on the tea parties. First, there were a number of them
throughout Utah. Deseret News covered just one them. Second, I think this
entire thread and even the Deseret News story lost track of the point of tea
parties. I am angry that Repeblicans spent so much money and did so little. I
am angry that Democrats have ballooned our deficit. I am angry that politicians
are talking about a variety of programs and that we'll pay for them in
"savings" from other programs. It's not about debate regarding
health care. It's not about debate regarding bailouts for so many different
industries. It's about the money being spent that I or my children will
have to pay back. Enough! Stop the deficit spending. Stop taking more and more
of my money in taxes because politicians think that is the only hammer they
have.
I don't care if you are Republican or Democrat. Please stop spending so much and please ease up on my tax burden.
I don't care if you are Republican or Democrat. Please stop spending so much and please ease up on my tax burden.
re anon 1:36 | 7:31 a.m. July 5, 2009
So you live in Cali huh? If you work for the state government I hope you have
fun trying cash your IOU at the bank. Can you write IOU's to pay your rent
and loan payments? Just think, if we all started using IOU's instead of
cash how much better life would be. Maybe I'll try to buy that new tv
after all. Seriously, do we want to end up like California? I think not.
to Dixie Dan | 7:43 a.m. July 5, 2009
Right on. People have such short memories, if they have them at all. GOP and
Bush put us in this mess and it will take a while to get us out. Period.
I for one love it when I read that Palin is now free to move about the country. What a plague that will be. But............... it sure will be entertaining!!!!!
I for one love it when I read that Palin is now free to move about the country. What a plague that will be. But............... it sure will be entertaining!!!!!
informed@ Anonymous 1:36 a.m. | 8:12 a.m. July 5, 2009
"Utahans get $1.28 for each dollar you pay in federal taxes. Us Californians don't get back a dollar for a dollar."
Well you rip us all off at the movies with you overpriced junk. Maybe if Cali was as smart as Utah they wouldn't be bankrupt?
Yes lets stop all tax breaks | 8:32 a.m. July 5, 2009
No marriage benefits, No church benefits, No child benefits.
If you stop taking all those then all stop campaigning for public health insurance.
If you stop taking all those then all stop campaigning for public health insurance.
to dixie dan@6:57 | 8:36 a.m. July 5, 2009
Exactly how, and when was the Constititution trashed?
Please list all the specific information.
Please list all the specific information.
Loss OF FREEDOM | 8:51 a.m. July 5, 2009
What we get with big government -- high taxes and spending, is control by
bureaucrats over every aspect of our daily lives, and a corresponding loss of
freedom. Why is some bureaucrat in D.C. so much smarter than the rest of us?
Why can't we be left to take care of our own needs and to vote with our own
dollars on things like Health Care? Why do we need Big Brother to "take
care" of us? It's disgusting. Sign me up for the next Tea Party. I
don't need George Sorros and extreme left wing of this Obama Administration
telling me how to do anything.! And thank you to all of you dedicated men and
women of our armed forces who VOLUNTEER to put their lives on the line for our
freedom. And you 'dolts" who sit and make snide comments about them
getting "free health care" absolutely disgust me. You spend a year
boots on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan, and let's see how you feel
then!
Down south | 8:57 a.m. July 5, 2009
We should have started these tea parties 16 years ago when Clinton was in
office. The public should have rallied together and started speaking out years
ago. I am not only against Obama's actions at this time, I'm sick of
both parties right now. Is there any honest politicians left in D.C. at all? We
should have been out there protesting against Bush for 8 years. Yes he made many
blunders under his watch. The only reason Obama is under fire is that everyone
is just sick and tired of dishonest politics. It really doesn't mater what
party they are in right now, they are all responsible for the mess we are in.
However, many of the decisions that have been made in D.C. of the last 6 months
are downright un-american. The group in charge now are going to be responsible
for the biggest downturn in american history. I just hope if when we come out of
it, we can somehow resemble the america I once knew.
Marie Devine | 9:03 a.m. July 5, 2009
We do not want more insurance bills; we want better health. The employment
system caused our sicknesses; our technologies created our deaths and injuries
by vehicles, and our greed has caused our high education costs, stress and
separation from our families that causes emotional distresses. God told us not
to fill the earth with cities or seek after riches.
Health care reform and pollution require us to turn to God's garden paradise lifestyle. Our families were to stay in the same area; that is what God did with the children of Israel when He gave each family a specific area of the promised land. It is our security, peace, joy and our ability to help each other build a prosperous abundant life where we had enough to care for travelers or the poor among us.
We are going the wrong way. We are not saved now from our oppressive lifestyle and we will not be saved in eternity if we reject a garden paradise lifestyle now.
Health care reform and pollution require us to turn to God's garden paradise lifestyle. Our families were to stay in the same area; that is what God did with the children of Israel when He gave each family a specific area of the promised land. It is our security, peace, joy and our ability to help each other build a prosperous abundant life where we had enough to care for travelers or the poor among us.
We are going the wrong way. We are not saved now from our oppressive lifestyle and we will not be saved in eternity if we reject a garden paradise lifestyle now.
Jun | 9:14 a.m. July 5, 2009
I love how people are complaining about how unfair this is and how this
isn't true freedom, but most of these people had no problem with the
Patriot Act despite how unconstitutional it is. Funny how freedom gets blurred
when it depends on what side is supporting an issue huh?
John Kateel | 9:15 a.m. July 5, 2009
I am the guy who wrote a recent op-ed article in the Deseret News comparing
Barack Obama's policies to those of Brigham Young. I wrote about how they
were similar and good. Cap and trade is free market oriented. When an efficient
company sells "credits" it creates a financial incentive to be energy
efficient. Environmentalism is really about efficiency and maximizing use of
limited resources. Cap and trade monetizes and ultimately securitizes effluents
and allows investors to profit from credits traded on an exchange. Meanwhile,
lack of stable pricing for healthcare is a barrier to entry for entrepreneurs
looking to start a business and purchase healthcare on the open market. If
everyone had universal healthcare, the risk pool would be broader and rates
should plunge. Hence more people would have more incentives to create jobs
because lack of health care would be eliminated as a barrier. Barack Obama is
the most free market oriented, pro capitalist, entrepreneur-centric, political
realist we had in a long time. Further, his overtures to the 1.3 billion plus
Muslim world should open these societies up more to American products and
services. We all win!
CJ3 | 9:47 a.m. July 5, 2009
Do you know any poor doctors?
Why not?
Because there has been a price put on a healthy life, with costs driven to extremes, mainly by greedy insurance agencies who can pretty much do as they please, and will fight you tooth and nail for any claim...even a legitimate one.
Break the circle of greed between doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and insurance agents.
Why not?
Because there has been a price put on a healthy life, with costs driven to extremes, mainly by greedy insurance agencies who can pretty much do as they please, and will fight you tooth and nail for any claim...even a legitimate one.
Break the circle of greed between doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and insurance agents.
Dr. LJA | 10:04 a.m. July 5, 2009
The current administration is indeed moving us rapidly towards a socialism that
has never been nor will it ever be acceptable if our country is to remain the
one that was formed, through the inspiration of God, back in 1776. To those
that have taken up the "Tea Party" movement, we express our gratitude
and our comittment to do our part.
Anonymous | 10:44 a.m. July 5, 2009
Comparing Cold War era Czechoslovakia, both in terms of system and in terms of
medical service delivery, to the U.S. or even Europe of today is preposterous.
Even in the U.S. today, though, you can get poor care, depending on the health
care providers, or even worse, the lack thereof because you cannot afford either
the care of the insurance. The U.S. spends far more than the rest of the world
and yet our overall health is around 37th or so in the world, comparable to some
pretty questionable countries. We have an enormously inefficient system, yet
the right wingers, most of whom I'm sure have insurance coverage through
their work, want to leave things the same. They like anonymous corporate clerks
making health care decisions for them while having nearly 50 million of their
fellow American go without. No system is perfect, to be sure, but ours is not
working too well and we can do better. Cries of Socialism are due to lack of
understanding of the Administration's proposals and the principles of
socialism (and which brand or version thereof they know not).
Taxes | 11:32 a.m. July 5, 2009
I personally lived in country for a few years, where socialism ruled. I know a
man who recieved a pay raise at his place of employment. His taxes were so high
that he literally had to work less hours so he could take home more money after
he paid taxes on his hourly pay increase. How productive is this? Socailism does
not work no matter how it is presented.
CJ3 | 11:36 a.m. July 5, 2009
Those crying "socialism" concerning health care should take a look
around the rest of the free world. Their arguments are unfounded. They are
merely attempting to distract us from the real issue.
The richest country in the world can't take care of it's own population? That should say something to you.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with freedom, and everything to do with capatilism, otherwise known as "the aquisition of wealth."
The richest country in the world can't take care of it's own population? That should say something to you.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with freedom, and everything to do with capatilism, otherwise known as "the aquisition of wealth."
Re: Recent article | 11:44 a.m. July 5, 2009
You must have a very short memory. Fox News publicized the April tea parties to
within an inch of their lives and all of the national news channels covered
them. My local paper had a big article on our front page about our local
one.
Face it, teabaggers, your "uprising" has turned out to be a dud. The only people who care anymore are the same extremists who would hate Obama no matter what.
Face it, teabaggers, your "uprising" has turned out to be a dud. The only people who care anymore are the same extremists who would hate Obama no matter what.
Re:John Kateel | 11:57 a.m. July 5, 2009
“Cap and trade is free market oriented. When an efficient company sells
"credits" it creates a financial incentive to be energy efficient.
Environmentalism is really about efficiency and maximizing use of limited
resources. Cap and trade monetizes and ultimately securitizes effluents and
allows investors to profit from credits traded on an exchange.”
That is the most insane idea that the government ever came up with. Setting CO2 emissions at a set level and if a company wants to exceed the pollution they pay for it. Let’s say CO2 levels are set at x amount and then there are z companies or individuals that pay to exceed X. Now the C02 emissions total X plus the sum of all Z!
This shows the true face of the green movement. Grease their palms and they will look the other way. In the mean time, the companies pass the extortion on to the consumers with increased fuel and energy costs. How dare you compare BY’s polices to something so insidious as this.
That is the most insane idea that the government ever came up with. Setting CO2 emissions at a set level and if a company wants to exceed the pollution they pay for it. Let’s say CO2 levels are set at x amount and then there are z companies or individuals that pay to exceed X. Now the C02 emissions total X plus the sum of all Z!
This shows the true face of the green movement. Grease their palms and they will look the other way. In the mean time, the companies pass the extortion on to the consumers with increased fuel and energy costs. How dare you compare BY’s polices to something so insidious as this.
GWB | 12:09 p.m. July 5, 2009
To "Loss OF FREEDOM" Whe you say "What we get with big
government -- high taxes and spending, is control by bureaucrats over every
aspect of our daily lives, and a corresponding loss of freedom. Why is some
bureaucrat in D.C. so much smarter than the rest of us? Why can't we be
left to take care of our own needs and to vote with our own dollars on things
like Health Care? Why do we need Big Brother to "take care" of us?
It's disgusting. Sign me up for the next Tea Party."
I assume you have written to your local town and asked them to stop having firemen, sewer, water, and trash service. After all, the big breaucrats can't possibly supplie these things to you cheaper than you can contract on the open market.
Oh, and along with that, I assume you are ready to start paying tolls to use the private roads at the end of your driveway. After all, we can't have a bureaucrat determining which potholes to fix.
And when your neighbor gets shot, it will be too bad he didn't pay for the private police to investigate.
I assume you have written to your local town and asked them to stop having firemen, sewer, water, and trash service. After all, the big breaucrats can't possibly supplie these things to you cheaper than you can contract on the open market.
Oh, and along with that, I assume you are ready to start paying tolls to use the private roads at the end of your driveway. After all, we can't have a bureaucrat determining which potholes to fix.
And when your neighbor gets shot, it will be too bad he didn't pay for the private police to investigate.
jfs | 12:32 p.m. July 5, 2009
co2 is not a pollution.
If universal health care is so great, why is congress and the president electiong not to be covered by it? What the population gets should be the limit members of congress get. Lets eliminate the treatment of kings and his court in Washinghton
If universal health care is so great, why is congress and the president electiong not to be covered by it? What the population gets should be the limit members of congress get. Lets eliminate the treatment of kings and his court in Washinghton
Ronnie Bray | 12:40 p.m. July 5, 2009
@ “SOCIALISM HAS NEVER WORKED” Remarkable that someone able to read
remains this ignorant!
According to OECD [2009], happiness levels are highest in Northern European SOCIALIST countries.
1st Denmark
2nd Finland
3rd Netherlands
4 ?
5 ?
6th Canada [non-European]
7th Switzerland [non-European]
8th New Zealand
9th Norway
10th Belgium
The U.S. did not make the top 10!
Denmark is not only a wealthy country, it's highly productive, with a
2009 GDP per capita of $68,000, according to IMF.
The US' GDP per capita, is only $47,335.
Scandinavian countries have higher GDP per capita, the average workweek in that part of the world is 37 hours.
In China, 47 hours, GDP per capita is $3,600.
Low unemployment contributes to citizen happiness.
Denmark's unemployment is 2%,
Norway's is 2.6%.
Netherlands: 4.5%.
U.S.: 9.8%.
Economists concur that a 4% unemployment rate reflects a stable economy.
So, SOCIALISM IS ALIVE AND WORKING WELL IN THE ABOVE COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THE UK, SO WHY THE NEED TO FABRICATE AND PUBLISH UNTRUTHS?
Obama rocks!
According to OECD [2009], happiness levels are highest in Northern European SOCIALIST countries.
1st Denmark
2nd Finland
3rd Netherlands
4 ?
5 ?
6th Canada [non-European]
7th Switzerland [non-European]
8th New Zealand
9th Norway
10th Belgium
The U.S. did not make the top 10!
Denmark is not only a wealthy country, it's highly productive, with a
2009 GDP per capita of $68,000, according to IMF.
The US' GDP per capita, is only $47,335.
Scandinavian countries have higher GDP per capita, the average workweek in that part of the world is 37 hours.
In China, 47 hours, GDP per capita is $3,600.
Low unemployment contributes to citizen happiness.
Denmark's unemployment is 2%,
Norway's is 2.6%.
Netherlands: 4.5%.
U.S.: 9.8%.
Economists concur that a 4% unemployment rate reflects a stable economy.
So, SOCIALISM IS ALIVE AND WORKING WELL IN THE ABOVE COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THE UK, SO WHY THE NEED TO FABRICATE AND PUBLISH UNTRUTHS?
Obama rocks!
GWB | 1:08 p.m. July 5, 2009
To "jfs", you kind of answer your own question when you ask "If
universal health care is so great, why is congress and the president electing
not to be covered by it?"
The bottom line, Lobbists from the Insurance companies have greased their palms so much that the Republicans who are against a public insurance plan are fighting to keep you from getting the same coverage they get.
Please answer the President's question. We continually hear that private companies can do better than the government, given this, why are insurance companies afraid that they will not be able to compete with a government run plan?
Is it that they will not be able to pay their CEO $1.6 Billion like United Healthcare does?
The bottom line, Lobbists from the Insurance companies have greased their palms so much that the Republicans who are against a public insurance plan are fighting to keep you from getting the same coverage they get.
Please answer the President's question. We continually hear that private companies can do better than the government, given this, why are insurance companies afraid that they will not be able to compete with a government run plan?
Is it that they will not be able to pay their CEO $1.6 Billion like United Healthcare does?
Jennie | 1:26 p.m. July 5, 2009
The reason soldiers are protesting universal health care is because they KNOW
what crappy healthcare the government provides. Anyone who's had both or
who has worked in both know this simple fact.
Thankful for health | 1:28 p.m. July 5, 2009
Santholzer complains about a botched treatment from a physician in a country
with social medical care. One of the reasons U.S. of A. doctors charge so much
is to cover the high cost of malpractice insurance. Why is it so high? Cause the
free enterprise system doctors goof all the time too. 100% of Canadians have
access to free medical treatment. My kidney surgery last year cost me nothing.
In U.S. of A. 10's of millions have no insurance and no hope of being able
to afford it. High priced doctors making their millions make sure of that. Your
present system is broken. Fix it and cut out the untold suffering of too many of
your citizens.
JB | 1:31 p.m. July 5, 2009
re: GWB
I wonder why almost all liberals think that every conservative approved of everything that President Bush did. I was disgusted when he passed the first bailout with threats and dire predictions. I did not approve of his growing the government. He was not following a conservative program when he did those things.
History shows that socialism does not work. Fiscal oversight fell apart, especially in the last ten years and it was the fault of both parties. Capitalism does not mean freedom from reasonable regulations. The corruption of our system is leading us away from Constitutional principles and there is plenty of guilt to go around and much of it stems from greed.
I wonder why almost all liberals think that every conservative approved of everything that President Bush did. I was disgusted when he passed the first bailout with threats and dire predictions. I did not approve of his growing the government. He was not following a conservative program when he did those things.
History shows that socialism does not work. Fiscal oversight fell apart, especially in the last ten years and it was the fault of both parties. Capitalism does not mean freedom from reasonable regulations. The corruption of our system is leading us away from Constitutional principles and there is plenty of guilt to go around and much of it stems from greed.
To CJ3 | 1:43 p.m. July 5, 2009
Should we all start paying for free medical school too? Do you really have such
an issue for paying people to keep you healthy and saving your children's
lives without even a second though?
Do you really have such an issue with paying for good medications that also save you and your children's lives - research costs $$$ by the way.
However, I agree with you on the outrageous cost of insurance. I would be all for a cap in medical malpractice suit payouts. It would really help keep insurance premiums down.
Do you really have such an issue with paying for good medications that also save you and your children's lives - research costs $$$ by the way.
However, I agree with you on the outrageous cost of insurance. I would be all for a cap in medical malpractice suit payouts. It would really help keep insurance premiums down.
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