they need tracy they can use him to get in and win the play offs. he should
trade AK for T MAC. AK did nothin last season. ya he did some good rebounds.
he's dood for that but nothing else... D.Will and Memo are way good they are the
best players in the jazz right now and so what if T Mac cant play the first
games the play offs are that matter.
I think the jazz should commit to that trade because we need someone who can get
the job done offensively and defensely and I think Tracy is the one. So yes I
think Jerry Sloan should do it.
How about Kirilenko and Harpring and the cash difference for McGrady. That
would cut about $3M from our payroll and get us halfway to signing Milsap.
Boozer for Hamilton gives us another $2M and we're basically there. We would
lose Kirilenko, but McGrady could possibly be available by the playoffs. Right?
I haven't followed this closely, but if I have the facts straight, these two
trades, rather than the Boozer-dumping trade, makes most sense.
Wow, that is better than the trade proposals heardNotes to
Earthlings:See even an average non Jazz fan can do better and
propose and schmooze better than O ConnorWhat "pure" geniuses we
have leading us, I would rather have Cowboy Joe running this team,If Cowboy communicates as well as he does on these boards, we could win
the title this year. I could sit all day in my office like O Connor appears to
do, plenty of time to go to gym, run errands go to the store for familyAll while being paid a kings ransom
re: todd to trade idea | 9:25 p.m. July 7, 2009 Ironically, I can't
stand the NBA or the Jazz.
McGrady, and Rip for that matter, are both locker room liabilities that use FAR
too many possessions to get their stats, which btw, are extremely lopsided in
favor of scoring. Boozer gives you boards at one of the best rates
in the league...something sorely missing last season, especially defensively for
Utah.I ask you, cancer speculators, if Millsap is backing up Boozer
and there's a problem in the locker room, doesn't it stand to reason that the
problem is Millsap, not Boozer? Why would the starter complain?
YEAHHHHHHHH I LOVE ITTTT!!!!! THAT IS A DEAL AND A GREAT GREAT IDEAThat makes great sense I see AK being pretty effective with that team
they get out nice in transition, overplay and press defensively a lot. They are
a pretty good side, great great ideaYou are right O Connor will not
even think about it see he loves this current roster as do many fans...
I read in the most recent Sporting News that Dalembert (a rebounding,
shot-blocking, Center) will be a liability in the 76ers new up tempo offense,
so...Why not AK to Philly for the aforementioned?It
makes to much sense K'OC would NEVER do that.
This would be a great trade. We should trade AK and Harpring for Mcgrady, then
turn around and trade Boozer for Hamilton. We get the salary cap relief we need
and flexablity to sign Okur and or Korver to longer contracts. We will still
have plenty of cap space to be a player next summer and we have NY draft pick.
We would still have a good chance to compete for a playoff spot next year, our
bench would be shorter and FEZ and Kofus can get some playing time. Come on KOC
make it happen.
CLueless: people just do not read what the constructive jazz fans think. If
you start the same 5 as last year be prepared to "run and gun" like Magnus
suggested like D "Antoni and win 120-119. No Defense in the front court. Yes
they are capable of being adequate.Then that is up to Sloan his
coaches and "you the sloanaholics"
The more i think about it, the more i'm content with our crrent team for one
more season. First thing's first, bring Kirilenko back to the starting 5. Last
year's 6th man experiment didnt work. Go for a rotation of:D.Williams (E.Maynor)R.Brewer (K.Korver)A.Kirilenko (CJ Miles)C.Boozer (P.Millsap)M.Okur (K.Koufos)When you look at that
team, you see that, if the players stay fit, the Jazz should be very strong next
season.One idea though: I would say that the only weakness is that
both Boozer and Okur play no defence. Meaning when they are both on the floor at
once, it makes it too easy for other teams to exploit. Since Boozer wouldn't be
happy to come off the bench, I say try Okur as 6th Man. Koufos could be a more
traditional big in the middle, preventing the easy drives to the basket and
hopefully even holding off the opposing bigs. Then Okur can lead the second team
in scoring, and have Milsap alongside him for help. Any thoughts?
Get okur and the russian outta utah asap!! o and mr knight of coarse, guys a
joke!! take kufor as well. there is where all the problems are at..
Many of you hate Boozer for always being out with injuries. Now you want
another player that is very injury prone? That makes little to now sense
AK should stay in utah.
I say do it but only if Houston throws in there next lottery pick.
They should do it. This will clear space for next year. Mcgrady, Boozer, AK and
Harping will all be off the books as will Korver and Okur unless they sign
extensions before the season ends. They could sign Millsap and possibly go after
Bosh and a few other low key free agents next year. Mcgrady in the starting 5
this year with Booz and DWill would be pretty good.
Why not trade Boozer to NY for Lee? This would help the Jazz get rid of the
injury-prone player in Booz, and help NY get under the cap even more for the
class of 2010. If the Jazz were to pull off a sign-trade for Lee, then they
would be able to have a PF for several years that can still put up
double-doubles, and might not cost them as much as Booz.Think about
it. What do the Jazz have to loose? Milsap is one of my favorites, but for
anything over about 7 million, is too much for him as a starter. He broke down
after 2 months of starting.
If AK plays for the Jazz this year he will have a All-Star year.No Trades lets
see what happens when everyone is healthy. If after 40 games they are not in the
top 5 record wise then I will look into trades.If they are a great team and go
deep into the playoffs then they will have some money to pay the luxury tax.I
just want to see how they play after training camp and all healthy first.
McGrady is the Rockets Carlos Boozer - extremely talented and the second best
player on their team, but is always injured. Rockets fans have always questioned
his heart, ability to win in the playoffs and his willingness to play hurt. He
has also become much more of jump shooter rather than rim attacker.McGrady is a great passer, scorer and, when healthy and motivated, one of the
top 10 players in the NBA. The question is if he will be healthy and motivated.
If not, Sloan will eat him alive.
Hey smart ones, if t-mac did play the whole season last year there is no way
that the jazz would ever be able to get him. He's an allstar strait up, grab him
while we can and if we don't like him then don't resign him. Then go for a top
free agent next off season.
If we get tracy mcgrady does this mean were not getting out of the first round ?
I hope Andrei is gone by the time the season starts
Buckley, What does Kobe get in 2009?How about KG( Kevin Garnett), who was
at 24 mil in 2008. Did he have a salary reduction tied to his contract?
this a nice news to hear, AK is a great player, but his intensity had gone down
over the past two seasons, maybe he is just not happy anymore with the Jazz, and
because of that if affects not only him but his team's performance, I think its
better to part ways to benefit both parties.. T-Mac playing for Utah? Wow!
D-Will, T-Mac, and Memo in the same floor in going to be awesome!.. the problem
is will T-Mac fit into Sloan system?.. AK for T-Mac is a great news.. but so
many things to consider like the salary of T-Mac, although it will save Jazz
money in the future.. and also now that everyone knows that Houston is trying to
trade T-Mac, I'm very sure that many teams will consider him
not only do we pick up a larger contract for another injury prone player - more
so than even AK - but we HELP houston get better. Say what you want, mcgrady may
be more talented than AK, but last year he only played 35 games. If he were to
only play that many this year, and AK put in a near full season like last,
Houston gets a steal out of the trade, and the jazz get to watch tmac and booze
ride the bench again. Bad idea, glad its not gonna happen. Yes AK's contract
is big, but he's not a detrement to the team; he can still play. keeping him for
1 more season will help the jazz more than hurt them, instead of trading for
tmac. plus him and sloan would hate each other.
Jazz doesn't need SG as scorer because of Sloan system. MCG'll never play
meaningful game. Oh well who cares JAzz never been winner with Jerry.
McGrady for AK and others? I'd take that all day. Even if McGrady leaves after
one year, we don't have to pay AK $18 million next year. His contract is the
reason we are in this finacial mess yet he can't even start for us. He's out of
position here. Plus, McGrady will have a lot to prove when he comes back next
season. If we can stay above water prior to him coming back, he could provide an
enormous spark down the stretch. We know Deron is our star and Tracy would have
to play in his shadow but Tracy would give us the dynamic scorer at SG we've
Let us see Utah Utes have one Ncaa Baketball title, the 1984 BYU COUGARS won the
National Championship.I was curious between the Astros and Rangers
how many titles you won in Baseball....thanks..Oh I
forgot the "love you blue" Houston Oilers/Texans. Do not come back with the
DYnamo that is B level Soccer.By the way after "has utah ever
won a championship in any sport:Is there not supposed to be a
question mark after that?
Rocket fan what is a slalomAnd you are talking about our spelling.
after reading all the blogs...i've come to one conclusion...people from utah
can't spell...the grammar is atrocious...has utah ever won a championship in any
sport...oh...i forgot...you don't have baseball or football...good luck in the
I'm sick of AK and his contract hold down. We trade AK and matt and then
houston releases him. We could keep T Mac and he'd not have all the pressure on
him, he could come in score 17 to 18 points a game and do good again. He knows
next year he's gonna be like iverson and in the free agent market that no one
wants. If he can come here and show everyone he's a team player and that will
help him out in the big 2010 market. Also he'd play with a chip on his shoulder
by never getting out the 2nd round and how everyone says he's done. He could be
a great fit!! But i'd much rather do the maggette trade from earlier i heard
Yikes. McGrady is always injured. Boozer is always injured. It seems like one
ultra-delicate starter is already 1 too many. I'd rather see the Jazz get
someone more durable. No matter how great a player is, he's not just
useless--he's actually a detriment--if he's not on the floor.
The Jazz would be a championship caliber team if they would just make a
blockbuster trade like this. The rotation they have if excellent but it wont be
complete unless they acquire an all-star scorer that can stick with the Kobe and
Lebron's of the league. MAKE THE TRADE UTAH...
AK and Harp leave and McGrady in would be the best thing for utah to do in the
ROCKET FANIt was Houston who proposed the trade and the Jazz shot it
Boozer socre points and rebound, while AK scores less and rebounds less but
defends, passes, gets steels, alters shots (sometime blocks them) and moves
without the ball. +/- stats are only valuable over long periods of
time. During the last 5 years when we had AK and Boozer - AK total
combined Plus Minus is 833 points when on the court and -382 when he is off the
court, While Boozer is + 332 when on the court, but +119 when he is on the coury
- both less the than the teams total +/- of +451. That means over
the last 5 year when AK was on the court they outscored their opponets and won
games and when he was not on the court the Jazz are out scored and they lose,
but when boozer it makes no differnce if he was on or off the court. AK impact to the Jazz winning games over the last 5 year is much greater than
Boozer.Boozer helps you score points and rebounds, AK helps you win
games. But everyone complains about AK salary and no one ever complains about
Boozer salary. WHY? WHY does everyone only look at points and rebound and not
JUST DO THE TRADE PLEASE
To Todd: We have the best Point Guard in the league. We have one of the top
players at his position in Boozer. Memo is better than most centers in the
League. CJ and Brewer are Ok. But every team has a weakness in their starting
lineup. We have AK and Millsap who are two of the best bench players in the
league. If we could get a premier 2/3 outside scoring threat and AK would stop
being a headcase. Boozer and Memo would just attempt to play defense. The Jazz
are as good as any in the league.
i would love this trade add boozer i mean LOOZER and that is a good deal all the
other west teams are making deals and becoming better and its about time the
jazz start doing the same or they will not win a championship so get t-mac!
a lot more than McGrady later. It is not needed this year and AK can contribute
a lot. Trading AK for nothing (McGrady) only helps HOU. AK can be traded next
summer for some real value and can contribute all of this year. The
Jazz are not worried about the luxury tax. It is not going to kill them. They
will learn to manage their cap better and might even spend enough to produce a
winner in the longer run. They knew 2 years ago they could go into the luxury
tax this year. They could have made some moves if they chose to. They may go
into it again when Brewer's contract is up.Losing Millsap will not
kill them. They will replace him. Losing Brewer will not kill them. It may help.
Role players are replaceable. The Jazz have to learn that before
they can contend. Semi Stars are replaceable. That is how we got here. L Miller
over paid AK. He over paid Ostertag and killed any chance the Jazz had of
winning a championship for a decade.The Jazz have to learn the hard
way. Greg seems to understand and is adjusting.
Maybe because many fans here care not about the financial aspect as much as "the
old fashioned standard how do you contribute the Jazz as a player and a person".
Values that many of us love about the state and what "the Jazz are supposed to
be about". I think people want to do it the honest way, i know what you are
saying though. You have to play the game and that is what I accuse O Connor of
not doing. If Mcgrady could have played the whole season, I might have beem
more for it. Basically is renting a player for 2 months.Miles: How
can you say the Jazz are one player away? Who a true defensive center?I believed too much in this "talent" last year and we saw how it finished over
last third of season, it was all not Boozer either. You are like me
about SLoan we are in agreement how does this group win under him?Another coach I might have been more for this staying "pat"However, we are talking about Mr. Inflexible "jer"and of course his
Don't understand why people just don't get it. Trading AK/Harpring for McGrady,
Jazz would be puttin themselves in an excellent situation for 2010-2011, baceuse
they would be carrying about 48-50M in expiring contracts.Jazz would be
with more than decent cap space even after resigning players like Okur, Brewer,
Korver or after sign and trade them...And Jazz only have to part ways with
Kirilenko's very bad contrafct and a player who most probably cannot play
anymore...Just don't get it why some posters continue talking about
McGradys missed games... it has nothing to do with the goal of this trade...
The Jazz just have to do something. Not that I don't love this Jazz team but
there is no way they can be a championship contender with the team they are
currently suiting up. Yeah they might be able to win a series in the playoffs,
maybe two, but that is about the extent of it. I would have loved to see this
T-Mac trade go down because it would have given the Jazz a prolific scorer and
athlete that they have been lacking for so long. I hope by the end of the off
season the Jazz make some trade for Boozer or AK, not because I don't like the
guys, but the Jazz, if they want to compete for a title, have to make some
why on earth do the jazz need two players who will contribute 30-40 games a
seasons- if you can call it contributing
Love all the trade Boozer talk. Problem is you all want to trade Boozer for a
lesser player. Now that makes sense (rolling eyes). Then let's trade AK for a
guy who can't play so we can save money. Since when did the fan save money?
Miller can spend as much money as he wants. Not my money. I could care-a-less
how much he spends. This team is one player away from the finals and you all
want the team destroyed by trades. Nice...
T-Mac?!!! What are they smoking? T-Mac has missed many more games than Boozer
I'll bet. NO, NO, NO...don't make the deal. Kirilenko won't thrive any where
else. He's a Jazz man through and through. Let's keep him and look for someone
else besides T-Mac.
about this one. With T-mac healthy and added to our roster we could be a force
to recon with offensively. On the other hand our defense would be terrible. So i
think we should make the trade cause our defense is already really really bad.
T-mac takes pressure off of everybody and could be 2nd on the team in assists.
he can hit the outside jumper and make the other team play honest, if healthy.
You guys are making to much out of t-mac not getting out of the 1st round. Thats
because he was the main man on those teams. We have Dwill and a veteran team
thats been there. Make the trade get Kiristinko and his 10% shooting and 20%
effort out of here.
his zeeking act together the Jazz could play an inside out game with some decent
outside shooters as an alternative game plan. Maynor/DWill, Korver,
CJ, Okur/Koufos or Suton at PF could create a plan B approach when needed. There
are times when the 2nd team should run a different type of game. Note the Jazz are weak on outside shooting and that needs to be corrected. Why
are the Cs the best outside shooters? That is by design and backwards from most
teams. The Jazz need a SG can shoot and defend.
People this has little if anything to do with having Tracy play for the Jazz, if
this ever happened it would be purely about the Jazz ridding themselves of
paying that ridiculous salary to AK and his mid level stats. If it happened,
Tracy probably wouldn't even play a game for the Jazz, he may never play again
with the injury he has. This is 100% to do with AK eating up the Jazz cap while
doing little to help the team anymore.
"Greg seems to be slowly fixing the management problems. They did not over pay
anyone yet. That is encouraging."Greg was in charge when they
matched the CJ's OK City Offer. If CJ isn't over paid than no one is.
UTAH IS A VERY SOFT TEAM & NEEDS TUFFNESS.ENTER RAJA BELL, MATT BARNES & BRANDON
BASS. 2) GET RID OF AK-47 WHO NEVER LIFTED WEIGHTS IN HIS LIFE TO GET STRONGER &
DIDN'T EVER CARE ABOUT IMPROVING HIS GAME & LOSE BOOZER WHO HAS TO BE THE WORST
DEFENSIVE SOFT PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE.BOOZER WILL HAVE A RUDE AWAKENING NEXT YEAR
HIS TRUE VALUE;MAYBE 5 MILLION A YEAR.3) GET A CENTER WHO CAN
JUMP,DUNK,INTIMIDATE,& GIVE HARD FOULS.4)UTAH MOVED TOO SLOW IN GETTING TREVOR
WHO IS THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE, NOW WHO ON UTAH CAN GUARD KOBE
IN THE NEXT 5 YEARS ????? (NO TITLE FOR UTAH UNTIL THEY GET A DEFENSIVE MINDED
SHUT-DOWN PLAYER)...BRING JEFF HORNY OUT OF RETIREMENT !!!! FINALY 5) SLOAN
NEEDS TO RIDE HIS JOHN DEERE INTO THE SUNSET & BRING IN FIERY JEFF HORNY AS NEW
Do it. I'd be willing to take a flier on mcgrady. Mcgrady tried to play
through his injury last year, he's taken too much blame for the rockets. The
rockets want to dump him, do it. Mcgrady is one of the most dangerous players.
If he's healthy, the jazz make out like bandits, and the rockets do well for
themselves too. If he's not healthy, maybe he can be bought out, and I don't
have to watch a disinterested ak47. Ak47 used to be my favorite player, but
after his half hearted attempt at the end of last season, I've concluded it's
unlikely he'll give it his all for the jazz, at least in the regular season.
If Utah will get Tmac. We will lose in the first round for sure)
I am laughing my head off watching all this emotion and fighting on these posts
over "Mcgrady"After all the possible players O Connor could have
obtained and would not, yet he is willing to match salaries to move kirilenko
yet would not even help till next year. What is the point? McGrady as injury
prone as Bill WALTON, Cannot play a full season. Would not have him till
February, Plus when he has the ball DWIL might as well be a spectator.Those that "love" this same roster...i agree with the cynical
posts that say O Connor is as likely to resign "Boyzer and Okurrie" to long term
new contracties, If you are going to do this you better go for D"
Antoni run and gun and score 120 points per game.You might as well
go wth starting 5 of DWIL, Korver, Boozer, Okur and Koustos/Goran/Fez 3 headed
monster at center. Of course the opposing small forward might
average 40 ppgThat would be fine for Sloan and his "sloanaholics" as
he would settle for this and the open 3s unguarded figuring Okur can hit 10 "3s"
a game and we win anyway.
this is a salary dump decision and a good one. it get us into good financial
territory in 2010. do it.
we need to trade boozer first off. Second tmac couldn't make it past the first
round because the jazz were a more complete team. He would help us in so many
ways if he is healthy he can take his man one on one, he can defend the likes of
kobe, (I know that there are many out there that think brewer can but in reality
he cannot), and he is a great shooter. He was a cancer in the locker room of
hou because they would put all the blame on him.Please O'connor make this
move then move boozer
The Jazz don't have a player on the roster that can score off the dribble
besides D-Will. McGrady has proven to be a capable defender. This is a no
brainer. Swing Koufus, Almond and AK and get the ball rolling. AK isn't exactly
in his prime either..
35 games played last season! O'Conner is trying to make the Jazz better right.
The Rocket's wouldn't trade T-Mac for Pop-Gun straight up. That would be one of
the clueless trades in NBA history. Then again.... 35 GAMES PLAYED LAST SEASON!
I think it's a great trade!! Lets get A.k. out of here that's what we all want
right? Why not tade him for shack or Kobe for D-will Boozer and memo I think the
Lakers would go for that trade. Come on Jazz fans that would be dumb getting
T-mac he can't even get out of the first round of the playoffs remember? Do we
wan't another Boozer who only plays in 35 games a season let's just keep the
team we got for one more time together and make a run for it. Maybe with a new
coach like Horney would be great coach for the Jazz
I like AK he should stay and be in the starting 5.there are other
worthless players the jazz need to get rid of.
anymore. He is average. ON offense he is a negative, he drives to the hoop and
gets stripped every play, I would rather see T-Mac ANY DAY over AK. AK used to
be excellent but not any more, time to part ways.
This trade has nothing to do with the basketball standpoint. It's a way to free
up big time $ for next summer with the huge expiring contract and to get rid of
Kirilenko horrible contract who will be still carrying 17+M in 2010-2011.Utah would be carrying about what... 50M in expitings?That's so good for
McGrady's "d" will have him in Sloan's McDoghouse and sitting his McButt on the
McBench. Don't do it.
Bad idea in my opinion. I think of McGrady as only being a scorer. Kirilenko
does a lot more. Remember he's had some games where he's at or near a 5-5, or
getting at least five things each in at least five categories, ie points,
rebounds, steals, blocks, assists. And bringing on a guy who is an injury
magnet? It looks to me like as bad an idea of the Raul Lopez guy from Spain a
couple years ago. He was a great ballplayer, but it seems the Jazz spent way too
much on his knee injuries.
Dear Fire O'Conner,Good thing for the Jazz all those teams are in
the Eastern Conference, eh. Gotta get through the West first.Great
2nd round find in Millsap, KOC!
To get 23+M expiring for Kirilenko/Harpring... I'd consider it... I'd give it
some seriuos thought.
It's a horrible trade, but works easily.Harpring and AK = $22.951
millionTracy = $23.239 millionHouston throws in a first round draft
pick and $3 million, buys out and releases Matt, and 30 days later Matt rejoins
the Jazz for the veteran's minimum, something like $1.2 million, and only half
counts toward the cap.Jazzaholic
Let's see...Rockets...Rockets...can't seem to remember...OH WAIT! Yes, I DO
remember you. You're the team we kicked out of the playoffs two years straight!
That's right....Hey, I'd rather be cheap-shot artists than a bunch of
floppers (see: battier, Scola, Yao). Oh by the way, you guys HAD and I mean
HAD the biggest cheap shot artist in the league in Artest last year, so that
argument doesn't fly. Of course, he left you knowing you would be awful next
year. Have fun with the Ariza seconds. I'm sure he'll take you to the next
Jazz are wasting their time again. It is painful to be a Jazz fan right now. It
seems management wants us to suffer. Celtics,Pistons,and Cavs are already much
better in just the last few days. Kevin O'Conner has never been consistent in
his decision making.
I live here in SLC,UT. I'm a fan, but if this happen I promise never go any UT
JAZZ game anymore !AK is actually much better of T-Mac, former all
star...35 games in a year ? And make all this money ? Hello, Mr.GM
of UT Jazz, wait until Summer 2010 and,see what the market offer and,
have a good leverage in the trading business for AK ...I'm not expert in
Basketball ( The way the Mr.GM of UT Jazz is ) but in the bottom line : This is
business...AK stay, T-Mac ? I wish the best to him, but far away to UT !
the rockets will never do businees with utah...the jazz are the biggest
cheap-shot artists in the nba...they never win and take out their frustrations
with elbows to the gut...giving a cry-baby $16 million/yr...real smart...good
luck dumping that contract on someone else...the reason boozer and okur opted in
is because nobody else wanted them...congrats on the 8th seed this yr and
the rockets should and never will do business with utah...dirty team that never
wins...why pick up cry-baby AK...we should trade cry-baby McGrady for Amare....
The Jazz do NOT need to rebuild. I agree with the majority of the comments so
far, the Jazz would benefit from moving one or two players, but they in no sense
need to rebuild. Sure Boozer and AK are overpaid and not living up to it, but
D-Will has lived up to it by being the leader of his team and is still getting
better. I think that if the Jazz do stay healthy this year and work out a few
kinks, they will be a title contending team (although LA and the Spurs are
looking more intimidating than ever).
T-Mac is the biggest baby in the NBA!!!! I can't stand his whining and boobing.
He is NOT a team player he is a constant "Me Monster" and we don't need that on
this team. His little stunt he pulled with Houston about his surgery shows what
little reguard he has for his team or any team! Keep him out of here...he is a
cancer for the locker room!!
Yes lets trade kirilenko for an injured mcgrady who will never play and let
millsap get playing time! NOMillsap is average. I dont even
understand why miller is so set on keeping him! Like father like son. Just
keepin it average
one piece at a time instead of grabbing a bunch of big names in FA and hoping
they work together. If the Jazz ever win a championship it will be
because they have gotten the most talented players they can (even back ups) at
each position and done it at a reasonable price. Getting 3 big names
is not that feasible for the Jazz. Besides they would over pay and not have good
enough role players. They have DWill, Boozer and AK now. They are
all over paid and they are wantabe big names. Utah is in the luxury tax for a
play off team. Maximize the team efficiency. Big names draw
attendance on the road. The Jazz need to win on the road. Home
attendance for the Jazz is fine. They don't need big names they need a defense
and some adjustments on offense.At this point CLE does not have the
outside shooters to make Shaq effective. Artest is a team disaster wherever he
goes. Adding a big name is no guarantee if the fit is bad or even marginal. SA helped themselves with Jefferson but he is not a big name just a
This is nothing but to save money for the Jazz. If McGrady remains unfit to
play, 90% of his $23M will be paid by the insurance not the Jazz. So the loss in
Boozer+luxuary tax is returned from the McG-AK trade. Smart business, but AK is
the only capable and versatile defender the Jazz have, if he does play. Jazz
will have a harder time to defend without AK.
I know lebron or wade would never come to utah but if we traded for mcgrady and
we lose Ak and Korver and next year we lose booz and memo and mcgrady wouldnt we
have enough money to offer lebron or wade as much as they wanted?
My money says Houston initiated the talks, and before Artest bolted and they
found out Yao could miss more than a year. Getting McGrady is a 2nd round death
sentence, Jazz fans.
Why Worry? | 8:36 a.m. July 4, 2009 Because it is part of the fun!
Do the Trade now dang it
All you people say this is rumor and made up news?Did you read the
article? This was CONFIRMED.IF McGrady does play we could make a
serious run with D-Will, Booz, and Okur. D-Will would have the ball in his
hands to control it vs. McGrady which would solve alot of the problem. McGrady
is certainly a player that can create his own shot, if needed, which our team
sorely needs.I think AK is great but he does and has moped for as
long as Booz has been in the system. When Booz is here AK disappears so he may
as well be traded I guess.Bottom line is that we unload a bunch of
salary and it would save the organization money--lots. AK and Harp
should go for McGrady.Make it happen O'Conner.
One chicken for another, I don't see the benefit. Maybe one will lay a bigger
POR just got jilted by Turkoglu. In my opinion TOR is also a small market team.
Utah over uses the "small market" excuse. Right now is not the time
to just start making moves for the sake of making moves. There is plenty of
time. The best players are under contract. The best priced players will be
available later in the year in the fire sales. 1/2 of the NBA is going to go on
sale at the trade deadline. Sloan has to be intelligently replaced.
The new coach has to have players that fit his system or he has to run the Sloan
system until he can get the right players. The biggest problem with
the Jazz is that they have never gotten enough talent to win a championship.
With Stockman and Malone they lacked quality role players. L Miller
insisted on over paying the role players at the same time he held down total
salary (probably out of necessity). Sloan has limitations but it is
not all Sloan or just Sloan.Greg seems to be slowly fixing the
management problems. They did not over pay anyone yet. That is encouraging.Be patient it may get better.
Anonymous, I agree that things need to change, but comparing Kobe to T-Mac is
like comparing Boozer to Malone. Both are good players, but one is clearly
superior (and that is obviously not T-Mac).What I do like about this
trade is exactly what "Do it's" previous post stated. The deal takes AK's
salary off of the books for the 2010-2011 season, and free's up a bunch of cash
for next summer.Something else to consider is that if the Jazz did
not buy out T-Mac this year, the Jazz would field a pretty formidable team.
Consider a starting line-up of D-Will, Brewer, T-Mac, Millsap, and Okur, plus a
bench with Boozer (bringing Boozer off the bench protects the Jazz's interests
by starting the player they intend on keeping around) and Korver.T-Mac may actually flourish with the Jazz because the pressure would not be
all on him.
Win,win If he stays healthy you have at least you have a chance to compete with
the other top teams, if he goes down maybe you have two lottery picks in a good
draft year and a barrel full of cash to go after free agents.
This could be a win win. If they can get rid of Harpring and Kirilenko the
salaries would be a swap. They might even get a first round pick and cash. If
Tmac can make it back after the all star break who knows what kind of run the
Jazz can make. If only the could trade Okur or Boozer for Chandler or Camby
also. Make the trade be bold try something new it just might work.
Talkin aint doin but even talkin on this one is stupid magrady is inured to much
and never has led his team to a title
There is a reason that Tmac is the "subject of frequent trade rumors". When
he's healthy he can put up some serious numbers and have some nice highlights
but he doesn't win when it matters - in the playoffs. I read somewhere he's
never been out of the first round of the playoffs? He's not a good chemistry
guy. That will never change. I wouldn't want him on my team. I'm
not an AK supporter either. He's mentally soft and emotionally fragile, not
near tough enough for our standards. Again, that will never change. Anyway, the only reason this trade would be any good would be so that the Jazz
could free up cap space for the year after next. As far as T Mac actually
helping the team to WIN, it's not going to happen. The Jazz are not going to be
any good next year anyway, so maybe it's a good idea to start focusing on the
Not sure why so many Jazz fans worry about who's getting paid what and who's
coming off the books. Don't think that's anyone's worry but the Jazz front
Only trade we need is Sleepy Sloan for anybody can't anyone SEE what is and
always has been WRONG with the Jazz? what other coach had TWO Great hall of
famers and never won the BIG Prize?
Out of here with A.K., Boozer and Miles. If the bid for Milsap is to high which
would be anything more than 8 mil him too. Lets get smart, tough and surround
the nucleus with some grit for a change. These soft primma-donnas are all over
this league let them congregate together some where else other than in Utah.
cap space there is the possibility that the Jazz would do something dumb with
the money like resign Okur, and Boozer for a lot more money.The
market will still be bad in summer of 2010. 33 million in cap space is enough to
replace Boozer, Okur and Korver with players who play both offense and defense.
The Jazz have months to move one or more of them. They need to take their time
and wait for the fire sales this year instead of being in bidding wars during
the 2010 FA period.AK's contract will be a lot easier to move for
value next year.
the 3 he is to slow. Why would McGrady agree to a buy out? How much are you
really paying for McGrady with the luxury tax? Why give away your flexability by
trading Harp for McGrady. Why do it now before you know if Millsap
is worth keeping and before you know how much that will cost. It is possible
Millsap will get no offer this year other than the Jazz (not probable). Ariza makes AK redundant at HOU so this would strictly be a money trade.
It only helps HOU or they would not be offering.
What about possible trades with the Pistons? Booze for Prince or Hamilton will
do us good. Even Rip gets more blocks than Booze.
...fabricated story. Houston has no need or desire for anorexic AK.
This trade idea is an exciting idea. Im sick of not hearing any trade rumors
about the Jazz, it seems like every team in the NBA is making trades but the
Jazz, all these teams are improving their roster and the Jazz are at a stand
still. The majority of Utah wants Kirlenko gone, free up some money to offer
other players.If mcrady avoids future injury problems, than we have
an all star support for D-will, if he doesnt work out then things could be
complicated, but I think its worth the gamble. Its pretty obvious that jazz are
gonna have a tough time this season anways considering the way the other teams
in the NBA are stacking up their teams. If he doesnt work out make him part of a
trade package elsewhere since his contract expires this next season anyways.
I say we go for it. The contract would only be for a year and we could see what
we pull out of it. If Tmac is healthy, he is just as good or better than Kobe.
Worst case scenario he is a free agent in a year. We aren't going to get
anywhere by staying with the status quo..... we need to change things up a bit.
there must be a hidden reason for this. T Mac is a poor and slow ball movement
specialist, likes to take the last second shots while being guarded by 2-3
defenders. Not really the passer the Jazz require.AK is a great
ball player but he disappears when behind Boozer. Seems like the Jazz are
trying to keep Boozer which will keep Deron. I applaud the Jazz for trying to
move AK as he has potential to do better in a different system, perhaps the
Knicks.Shawn Marion is now available and if we can trade Brewer or
Harpring for him that would bring a veteran shooter and defender to the Jazz,
although he does not do well without the ball.
Salaries: AK + Harpring = McGrady. Buy out McGrady. Salary exchange would be
similar in 09-10, but rids Jazz of AKs salary for 10-11. AK will make 16 mil
this season, and he produces like a mid-level exception player. He does not play
hard anymore. This would be a fantastic way to get rid of him.I
agree with this all the way it is a win-win situation all around. We buy out
McGrady and have lots of cap space to sign the players we need. Millsap plays
defence!! and can shoot as well. Look at his stats from last year. DEFENSE is
way more important than offense. How coaches are finding that out and telling
their players to be more defensive minded.When will the fans get this into
their heads and stop looking for the best fantasy players.
this is a stupid "what might of been but that would never work" hear-say story
to make up for the lack of real news. lets all get off the computer and go paint
the fence or something until next wednesday when the second wave of speculation
Salaries: AK + Harpring = McGrady. Buy out McGrady. Salary exchange would be
similar in 09-10, but rids Jazz of AKs salary for 10-11. AK will make 16 mil
this season, and he produces like a mid-level exception player. He does not
play hard anymore. This would be a fantastic way to get rid of him.This would potentially leave the Jazz with Brewer, Korver, Price, Miles, and
Millsap to play the wing positions. Playing Millsap at the 3 gets him on the
floor more. Not a ton of shooters, though.With this trade, the Jazz
would have something like 50 mil in salaries coming off the books next summer-
Korver, Boozer, Okur, McGrady.
Tracyyyy Jazz must be smoking? Right? IT's gonna be good for AK only, he will
finally free of Jerry Sloan Tirane. Connor pull the trigger , you did before
dumb decisions. his one will be dumbest one. But I like AK so much I wish he
play other than Salt lake.
It seems like I might be one of the only Kirilinko supporters still left here in
Utah, having said that, I still wouldn't mind the trade. Send AK and Harpring's
contract to Houston for McGrady. Salaries would match pretty close and worst
case scenario is that McGrady doesn't play at all and he leaves at end of
season. Then we'd have cap room for the big 2010 FA class. We're obviously not
getting Lebron or Wade but we could get a very nice player to play along side
Deron for the next 5 years , along with hopefully a lottery pick from NY. I love
AK but not at that salary. This trade would also make it easier to trade Boozer
because we wouldn't be scared to take on a longer contract, which would only
open up our options for who we would be willing to get in return. I know this
won't happen because the front office could never pull off such a move, but I
can dream right?
play again and if he does try he will not be the same. Micro fracture surgery
does not work well on older players and McGrady has a lot of miles on him. HOU may be stuck for this next year. Why bail out a rival? There is no
2011 salary saved by paying 23 mill in salary plus another 23 mill in luxury tax
this year. AK does contribute a lot to the team and is the insurance
guy for when other positions get hurt. He is also about the only player who
plays help defense. Okur and Boozer would be helpless without AK. With AK on coming off of the bench (2nd string) the 1st Q 1st string defense
was awful. Anyway this is just rumor. Both AK and McGrady's
contracts are nearly impossible to move. McGrady has been shopped to just about
every team in the league. The Jazz make us wonder sometimes but they
are not that dumb.
This is quite possible the dumbest trade ever. The Jazz already have ample
supply of guys that can score and DISTRIBUTE the ball. If AK left we'd have two
players - DWill and Brewer - that play defense. Why not pick up Steve Nash while
we're at it?
Even if Tracy is not fully healthy, the Jazz would be doing themselves a favor
by making the trade. The Jazz would then have lots of space in 2010 with a
great NYC pick on its way. It would show Deron Williams the Jazz are committred
to winning and will do whatever necessary to do so. Bring on the Boozer and