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The body is not a prison

Man's inability or depravity | 1:52 p.m. July 6, 2009

Saint Paul"...fulfilling the lusts of the flesh and of the mind,and were by nature the CHILDREN of WRATH."(Eph.2:2-3)
"God who is rich in mercy,for His great love with which He love us,even when we were DEAD in sins,hath made us alive together with Christ(by grace are ye saved)."(Eph. 2:4-5)
"There is none righteous,no not one!There is none that understandeth,there is none that seeketh after God"(Rom. 3:10-11)

AH? | 2:13 p.m. July 6, 2009

The body is definitely a prison if you have brain damage and are paralyzed for a life time and cannot function on a normal day to day basis as do normal people.

anonymous | 3:39 p.m. July 6, 2009

"And then Ammon said; Beleivest thou that there is a great spirit? And He said,Yea. And Ammon said: This is God, And Ammon said upoh him again: Believist thou that this Great Spirit,who is God,created all things which are in heaven and in the earth?'(Alma 18:26-28)
"God is a Spirit: and they must worship him in spirit and truth."(John 4:24)

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RE: anonymous | 3:39 p.m. | 5:29 p.m. July 6, 2009

So what's your point?

We are all spirits too,

A spirit with a body,

you know like a hand (spirit) with a glove (body).

When Christ was ressurected he had a body,

and Christ demonstrated it the Apostles, by eating and having them touch him.

Are you calling Christ and God a deciever?

Gaining a body is part of becoming perfect like our father in heaven.

When you study the scriptures you realize how much was lost or changed in the many many translations,

you also realize how much is taken out context by those attempting prove a false notion.

Anonymous | 5:54 p.m. July 6, 2009

If anyone says its a halfway house, I'll scream.

Anonymous | 6:03 p.m. July 6, 2009

The mental gymnastics of LDS dualists are always so laughable.

Hold on just a minute | 6:43 p.m. July 6, 2009

Some of these nutty so called religious people, are just that... NUTS!

I also think Orson Pratt, who was a brother to Parley Pratt, was as well, missing a few noodles in his whacked out mind when he wrote a book called: THE SEER. Total insanity!

Anonymous | 6:44 p.m. July 6, 2009

To 5:29

"Gaining a body is part of becoming perfect like our father in heaven."

Please show where in the scriptures this idea is taught.

Anonymous | 6:56 p.m. July 6, 2009

The mormon times post seems like a halfway house. Please mind to your brothers and sisters you make fools of themselves on these posts. You are hurting the credibility of those who can acutally but a sentence together and not just post from the gospel.

sc | 11:54 p.m. July 6, 2009

To: Anonymous 6:44

For some ground rules, lets agree that Christ is perfect and is one with the Father.
Christ was resurrected with a body and 1 Cor 15:20-22 tells us that we will be resurrected also.

In John 17 Christ prays that those who believe in Him will become one with Himself and the Father.

In Matt 5:48 Christ commands us to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect.

to sum it all up:
We are commanded to be perfect like the Father.
Christ has prayed that we be one with them.
We will be resurrected.
Christ has a body and never shown in any scripture he gave up that body.
Does it stand to reason we need that body to be perfect as commanded by Jesus? At the very least, God wants us, for some reason, to have these bodies through resurrection. By study of the scriptures, it becomes clear that a body is a big part of that reason.

Anonymous | 5:57 p.m. July 7, 2009

To sc,

You provided NO scripture to support the assertion "Gaining a body is part of becoming perfect like our father in heaven." There is NOTHING scriptural or doctrinal about your statement. You are teaching false doctrine.

no one' s Perfect | 7:51 p.m. July 7, 2009

Matt 5:48 "Be ye perfect:Christ sets up the high ideal of perfect love(see verses 43-47),Paul explains in Gal 3:24 NIV "So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ,that we might be justified by faith.

Anonymous | 12:14 p.m. July 8, 2009

To sc,

"We are commanded to be perfect like the Father."

Presumably, you are referring to Matt 5:48 where Jesus says, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

The word translated "perfect" simply means "whole, complete, and mature" and invokes agrigultural allusions such as "ripe" in conveying idioms that refer to cognitive and moral development.

It does NOT mean "flawless", "without blemish", or any other neoplatonic nonsense.

Moreover, you misinterpret "even as" to mean "like" in order to argue that we are commanded to be "like" the Father.

Jesus does NOT say we are to be "like" Father in heaven.

He says we are to be mature and fully ripe in our moral sensibilities and rational capacities, in the same way that God is considered to be mature and fully ripe in those dimensions of character.

There is no way anyone with half a brain can possibly extrapolate the meaning of Matt 5:48 to mean that we are supposed to have a "body" "like" the Father has a body!

Your ignorance and naivete is incredible!

RE: Anonymous | 12:14 p.m. | 4:28 p.m. July 8, 2009

Christ sais "be ye perfectt as your father in heaven is"

Christ did not consider himself perfect until AFTER he was ressurected with a perfect body,

which he CLEARLY demonstrated to his Apostles.

TO use YOUR words, he was NOT WHOLE, NOT COMPLETE, NOT MATURED, until he was ressurected with a PERFECT BODY,

And Christ was not PERFECT until he was LIKE our Father in Heaven.

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