Comments about ‘SB81 shameful’

When over 50,000 CHILDREN in Utah have their Id's stolen and Utah Workforce Services documents children as young as 3 months old working.
It is shameful that SB81 begins to take a step to encourage employers to use e-verify to protect childrens Id's.

It is shameful that SB81 provides a job protection clause that protects not only a utah citizen, but a LEGAL alien from loosing their job and being replaced by an illegal alien.

It is shamefull that a Jailer is required to verify the status and identity of a person who has 5-10 different Ids and is considered a flight risk.

It is shameful, and ungodly that someone condones and advocates for illegal immigration with its direct ties to Organized Crime which is the network that smuggles and trafficks Human Beings for unbelivable profits.

It is shameful that someone encourages the exploitation of Human Beings for the purpose of Cheap Labor.

It is shameful not to encourage LEGAL immigration, with dignity and respect and security into our nation.

There is a difference between your personal and religious responsibilities and governmental responsibility. You seem to have mixed the two. They are separate and distinct. Why have borders otherwise?

It's OK when liberals like Stuart Reid play the religion card but wrong when conservatives do it.

You are so right. And how about those illegal businesses washing windows, doing janitorial work, yard work and construction, who drive out the small blue collar legitimate businessmen. The legislature finally did something right to protect the citizens of the state.

I think the failure of SB81 is that it is a weak law. The eVerify program should be required of all employers. If you knowingly hire someone who is illegal, you should get a nice, big fine. Hire enough illegals and your business should be forfeit.

It sounds like the letter writer believes the LDS people have a responsibility to teach the supposed descendants of the Lamanites that they are "special" and can do whatever they want (migrate illegally, commit document fraud, lie to employers, steal SS#s, etc.)? Outrageous!

I think Mr Reid is confused.

It is also the desert that is to "blossom as the rose". As far as Lamanites also doing so, I think it incongruent that it would be achieved through illegality and unconcern for existing residents of the various states.

It is true that humble, sincere and converted Lamanites were accepted by the Nephites as residents after consulting with the people (Alma 27). In our case the immigrant situation is much different and also the majority of the people have been ignored. It is not often that the voice of the people will choose wrong but it is common for a minority to choose wrong. We should observe to do our business by the voice of the people.

When scriptures speak of carrying Israelites on their shoulders and in their arms, it refers to gentiles nourishing and nursing all Israel with the gospel in the last days. (1 Nephi, 22:7)

My letter suggest a model legislation of compassion in the law not a model of bigotry. It is interesting that those responding translate that into supporting illegal behavior. Their response only demonstrates reflects what they are really about.

Some others who want to twist the meaning of scripture to justify their attitudes also reveal themselves. It is clear that the Lamanites will inherit this land. This land is given to them and we are to help them blossom in it and if we don't, but instead abuse them in, then in the end when they have the power, they will tear into us like a "lion into a lamb." All of this is prophesied. You can choose what side of this issue you are on, but for me and my family we choose to nurture them and do all we can to support them.

It is amazing to me the lack of compassion and love in this state founded by those being exiled by the compassionless. Founded by those looking for their own compassion and also looking to spread it to others. Remember, we took this land as immigrants at one time from the Indians who rightfully occupied it. If you don’t learn from history you’re condemned to repeat it. This land can be taken from us and given to another if God wishes it. God protects the humble "Zion" like people. Those who nurse the weak and protect the poor, not those who’s bias stand in the way of being Christ like. Well done Utah, we have once again proven like the early members of the church that we can think we are the chosen people and not realize that we are here to help those who need. Right now the Latin people are those people. The Lamanites, those who are to inherit this land. Good luck thinking this land is only for you. I’m sure the Indians believed that at one time too.

Unfortunately obedience to law by the (gag) minute men is a selective exercise.

If it was obedience to law that truely motivated them, they would be rallying at the freeways because of the speeders, they would refuse to particiate in 4th and 24th of July celebrations, for both of the actions that make these days a holiday were against the law at the time. They would refuse to be on land that was illegally taken against the Indians in violation of treaty or from Mexicans.

The Americans who moved into Texas agreed as a condition of moving in to obey the law of Mexico. When they were denied trial by jury they decided to revolt,which was against the law.

I heard a local talk show host admitting that he was speeding to work one morning, to get to his work on time. Yet he constantly sticks it to those who crossed the border illegally,

Strict adherence to law is for others, never for ourselves our kind.

Given that we have taken so much land from others illegally and under questionable circumtance it is the height of hypocracy for us to insist that these people especially, obey these laws.

First of all, you're following the typical liberal practice of falsely equating truth and justice with bigotry and hate.

And since you're playing the religion card, I have a few religious cards for you:

Article of Faith #12 - "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

and

Mosiah 4:27 - "And see that all these things are done in wisdom and order..."

and

1 Ne. 13:15 - "And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance;"

Funny, I have never been called liberal before or that I practiced liberality. I don't believe for a moment that it is liberal or conservative to call for crafting legislation that is compassionate. It's just right.

Moreover, I have never suggested that laws should not be followed. I have petitioned that our legislature do better and be an example of higher standards instead of following the base instincts of constituent bigotry, creating laws to justify that bigotry.

As for playing the religion card, I am not doing that either. I am expressing prophecy that warns against this bigoted behavior seen by the prophets centuries ago and what the consequences will be for those who engage in such behavior. As a people we have been warned and instructed to be on the side of helping those who have been given this land for their inheritance.

The Gentile inheritance yoy reference, in the end is conditioned upon helping the Lamanites. If they do not help they will lose their shared inheritance and will be destroyed. Prophecy is given for a reason. The question is will you learn from it or continue in the path of despising God's children.

Again, you falsely accuse those in favor of orderly immigration (remember Mosiah 4:27) of being bigoted, and falsely accuse those who rightly disapprove of illegals' disdain for U.S. law and sovereignty of being hateful. No, God does not condone lying, cheating and stealing - which is EXACTLY what illegal immigrants do in this country. John 10:1 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a THIEF and a ROBBER."

Regarding "compassion": You exhibit no "compassion" to American citizens who suffer as a result of the legions of illegal invaders giving the U.S. the finger, nor compassion to the good, prospective immigrants who are seeking to immigrate legally but who must suffer the injustice of the disrespectful trespassers unjustly usurping their rightful opportunity.

I don't understand why you're calling shameful a law that helps in preserving America as a sovereign nation. A nation without control of its borders and immigration is not a nation.

I twisted no scripture.

I will merely say in my heart: May God judge between me and thee and reward us accordingly.

Stuart, I've been called a liberal many time and I love what you wrote above.

Well said.

The people of Utah came here legally.

We were fleeing from the compassionless of New York, Massachussetts (persecuted there at the beginning) as well as Ohio, Illinois, and Missouri. We had not, and still not, received any redress of grievances and yet still are loyal subjects in all the lands where we live.

When we came to Utah we followed a policy of friendship with the natives who were here.

Utah fought no "Indian wars". Missionaries have gone out from here to all the world and had great success in Hispanic nations. I came here legally myself, and others can too.

If the people of Utah are righteous they will have nothing to fear from any decent person, and no wicked person either, including those who would behave as predatory lions in the midst of lambs.

I hear all the bigotry on the side of those who wish to call us heartless and the like. Most of us stand for law and order. We teach to honor the law of the land, and expect others to do so too.

The land is for the inheritance of all God's people and all the tribe of Joseph, whether Ephraim or Manesseh.

As long as this thread started because of one man's interpretation of scripture and LDS doctrine, I offer the following:

D&C 58:21-22

21: Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.

22: Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet.

I think this is very significant and very clear. Think about what kind of country this could be if we all just simply followed the rule of law like we're supposed to.

There is absolutely nothing shameful in protecting our borders and in requiring and enforcing compliance with the immigration laws. The writer misuses inapplicable scriptures and ignores the ones that truly speak to the issue (see "Another scriptural reference" and "Re Stuart above). What's shameful is that there are so many who advocate lawbreaking out of compassion. As someone once said, we should be a nation with high fences and wide gates. Let them get in line to come in legally like everyone else.

The writer writes about the Lamanites well guess what the Utahns have shoved the real "lamanites" onto reservations and treated them with distain from the day they stole their lands. The and other south of the border are not the natives of Utah, the American Indian folks are