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By Tim Buckley

Deseret News

Published: Thursday, July 2 2009 12:00 a.m. MDT

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There is a lot of smoke

right now. This is all agent talk. OKC is the only team left that is likely to offer more than 5.6 mill for Millsap. They will have to out bid the Jazz.

However, there are a number of much better players left who are more established, and proven than Millsap who will be competing for OKC's cap money. Among others there is Lee who has better numbers and a bigger delusion about what he is worth in this market. However, the rumor tonight is that Ariza is leaving LA. Artest is leaving HOU?

Would you rather have Ariza or Millsap? How about Gortat or Millsap? Turkoglu is also available but POR is working on getting him.

OKC really needs an up grade at C more than they need to shuffle Durant and Green.

Don't bet on OKC busting the bank to get Millsap.

Hard work pays off

It is good to see a 2nd round pick have this kind of success with hard work and hustle both on the court and in the weight room. I would love to see the Jazz resign Milsap but wish him the best whatever happens.
I was wondering where he would have gone in this years draft, I think 3 or 4, now he is there for the taking just cough up 10 million a year. and the Jazz with their salary cap troubles arnt' going to pay 23 million a year to keep him.

todd "meanwhile suprise!"

Meanwhile, the competition gets likely better, post#1 beat me to it. So watch Ariza goes to Portland or Houston, Hedo to Portland

If that happens "sloan lovers" or i am sorry "holics" you still love your squad Kev

By the way Avery could become Pistons coach anyday, then again many of you prefered "jer"


what a joke...

Unrestricted Free Agents

left include Kidd, Varajao, Smith, Szczerbiak, Bass, Bibby, Pachulia, Andersen (Birdman), Iverson, Wallace, McDyess, Artest, Wafer, Nesterovic, Ariza, Odom, Andre Miller, Barnes, Hill, Gooden, Marion and a host of lesser names.

Restricted agents include several big names. Childress, Big Baby Davis, Kleiza, Jack, McRoberts, Novak, Brown, Session, Lee, Robinson, Gortat, Diogu, and Delfino.

Would you prefer any of the above over Millsap? Only two of them is likely to get more than the mid level exception from a cap team. Only POR and OKC are likely bidders who will exceed 5.6 mill. SAC does not seem to be very active and ATL has its own FAs.

This is a very weak market. That is why Boozer, Okur and Korver all folded their bluffs.

The market is weak.

Anonymous

I think the offer sheets that Paul might received is between 10 to 12 million which the Jazz can match, otherwise if it higher than 12 million then the Jazz may say goodbye to him, unless we trade immediately Boozer for role players and future draft picks to save some salary cap..good luck to Jazz

Anonymous

I still believe that Boozer is gone.

5 years 40 to 45 million is what a team will offer Millsap. The Jazz will resign him at that

Scenario

OK City still needs to save money for next year re-signings, so they cant offer $10 Million+. In this tight market, anything over $6M or $7M would seem to be too much for an undersized player that needs more time to prove himself a starter for a FULL Season. $7M is already 10 times his past salary, any more than that we should cut and run.

The Jazz should not overpay for potential, look what happened when they did that for Ostertag and Kirilenko! Still paying the hefty price for that huge mistake!

todd from santa ana

i wish boozer was gone, but who will take him now? Dumars doubted they will do it now if you read his quotes. They made 2 big signings. If Millsap stays this cap is way way over for one year i do not think end of world. However, we need to free up payroll so next year we can be in serious running for names.

Portland if they can get Ariza will be closing on La, Denver and SPurs. They become 4th best in West at Worse. You still have fine Dallas squad who finished pretty well. The Clippers I feel will be vastly improved, baron Davis is fired up about this season. Houston if Gortat signed still playoff team, New Orleans wow done nothing either, but just like last season.

Re: Anonymmous 12:59

I think you're wrong. Milsap will not be offered $9MM per year. I don't think the Jazz should sign him for more than $4-$5MM per year. If he gets offered more than that I say let him go.

I hate the Lakers but think Odom or Ariza would fit in well with the Jazz. I have no idea who is after them, but the Jazz won't get either.

I love BirdMan, but he'll likely stay in Denver. A defender like BirdMan or Odom would help the Jazz a lot.

Boozer is staying with the Jazz to finish out his contract. He has good value to the Jazz - if he doesn't break a nail putting him out of commission he's 20/10 guy and a big expiring contract. If the Jazz trade him they'd better get good value.

Chuck Nunn

Millsap is not getting a $10M per year offer. He's not at that stage in his career yet. He'll get an offer of between $5M and $6M, and Utah will match. Don't hold your breath for a Boozer trade either. Jerry Sloan is on the record about how pleased he is to have both Boozer and Okur back, so I'll believe there's a trade when I see it. The drama is gone out of Utah's offseason, check out Oracle for more ...

Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!

Eugene

Milsap has proven his worth with guts and work ethic. If the ball is in the air, Paul usually is the guy who retrieves it.

The Jazz will have to pay to keep him, but please work out a deal to trade Booze sooner than later!

If not, Milsap as a starter sounds real good to me! Boozer as his back-up would make Carlos work harder and attempt some "D". If he is hurt again this year, he stands to end his career in Utah since no other team would take him although the Jazz would significantly lower his salary.

Milsap is only going to get better if given more playing time.

The Market is saying

the Jazz payroll is bloated. The Jazz have over paid their veterans for years. It is one of the major problems with this club. It is built into the Sloan biases and system.

However, it is a function of the management philosophy. Compare the Jazz to SA (how many rings). They understand the word role player. Role players are inter changing parts. There is little need for continuity. How often has SA changed parts and kept their aging team at peak performance?

The root of the problem is a blind faith in the Sloan system that never can afford enough of the right veterans to win more than a trip to the playoffs. The system is complex, so continuity can improve performance, but the system is expensive and slows the development of cheaper younger players. The system also insures enough medium success that the Jazz get low draft picks.

There is a reason that many ex Jazz players do not find success elsewhere. They never did have a lot of talent.

Sloan thrives on taking flawed players and improving them. However, he can't improve them enough. They are still flawed.

Start with enough talent. Get a new system.

The Sloan System

at least run by Sloan and supported by past management practices is a self limiting system.

It has mechanisms built into the system that prevent championships. But it also tends to produce playoff teams under the salary cap. That of course is not true this year.

I am not apposed to the system if it were run and implemented better. It has several advantages. However, years of experience and mediocre results strongly indicate something needs to be changed.

The fans focus on the players and their weaknesses but the true problems are with the implementation of the system. Sloan and management retain and over pay players (instead of replace)who work hard but who lack enough talent to ever make the system produce a championship.

The root problems are in the Sloan biases and management approach of treating the players like family. That has advantages but it is not working.

Instead of taking a flawed player and giving them years to work, the Jazz need to recruit talent and replace players based on performance.

There is a built in bias against making needed changes until there is a crisis.

Kirilenko's contract

The Jazz are in trouble because of Larry giving Kirilenko max money a few years back. Andrei is worthless and is the most overpaid player in the league.

If the Jazz lose Millsap

it will not be the end of the world. He is not the starting PF the Jazz need to win a championship. He will eventually develop into good PF on a playoff team but he has too many flaws to be better than Boozer and Boozer is not good enough.

Sometimes you have to let good people go to replace them with better. Letting go is not a strength for the Jazz. Would you rather have Mo Williams or DWill? Since the Jazz are dependent on PG, DWill is necessary.

The Jazz drafted Suton as insurance for losing Boozer, Okur or Millsap. Millsap is a better rebounder but Suton is a better shooter. Neither are particularly fast nor agile. Suton is probably a better defender. Both need to improve post moves.

If Millsap is gone and the Jazz can't use Koufos or Suton as a replacement, just look at the list of free agents. A back up PF is not a problem.

The Jazz need up grades at all starting positions except DWill. The current players are under performing and overpaid.

The Jazz need to learn to let go so they can get better.

astroboy

Regardless of all the other things surrounding the Jazz roster and payroll, Milsap is not worth 10M+/year. The Jazz should not break the bank to keep an (albeit above average) role player on the roster. It would be nice to see both sides show a little loyalty in negotiations and settle on a deal in the 5-7M range, which is still just above what he's probably worth, but still allows the Jazz to get value out of him.

PS loved the analysis by 'the market' @7:11am, I agree that the Jazz system all the way from management down to playing style is conditioned for mediocrity and stunts the growth of young players and well and hinders the flow of interchangeable players. SA is absolutely the perfect example, get a few great players and continually reload around them.

Anonymous

Do you guys really think that your rants on this message board will change things? Just sit back and enjoy the drama. It is still interesting to be a Jazz fan!

THEeyepatch

With all the big free-agent signings, were just happy to get back the same old players. If we make the playoffs next season it will be a shock to me. Typical Jazz: meet the status quo!

todd from santa ana

hmmm maybe my one game boycott idea from last season could be reintroduced...Sloan elated to have Snoozie and Okur back...


Better play like Phoenix and win every game 120-119

Only way i see it

the same team?

Paying the luxury tax to hold on to 8th in the West? Does that really make sense to anyone? Everyone folds on their "I'm getting out" talk and returns for their option years. Are we expecting that the Jazz can do better than last year with the same players?

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