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Utah Jazz: Okur and Boozer both decide to stay with Jazz

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  • todd from santa ana
    July 2, 2009 8:38 a.m.

    better idea would now be boycott on opening night, except I will be accused by Houdini and others of being an outsider and no one will have the guts to do it.



    Let me beat Houdini..."go Jazz, Go SLC, Go Sloan"

    This roster can destroy the improved SPurs, Lakers and others.



    sure...

  • Apollo Sun
    July 2, 2009 5:20 a.m.

    Whoever thinks that Amare is not a better defender than Carlos Boozer is crazy. Anyway not worth arguing, point is a Amare/J.Richadson for Boozer/AK would beneit both teams, it works out financially.... but more importantly the Jazz would be contenders.

    The idea that no-one trades to help others in their division isn't always true.... the Clippers just traded Zach Randolph to the Grizzlies.

    'JAZZ Fan in the 415' i agree we could do with a center like Chris Anderson. Tyson Chandler is another one (if he can stay fit). And of course Marcus Camby. But i have to say i have high hopes for Koufos, so only if we moves Okur to 4 (got rid of Booz) and had Koufos as back up 5 to Anderson/Chandler/Camby. Bottom line i hope Sloan gives KK a chance to prove he's the Center we've been lacking since...... Mark Eaton?

  • Hey,
    July 1, 2009 10:13 p.m.

    Mr. The Cavs Were Right: The Cavs did not dump Boozer. He dumped them.

  • Howard S.
    July 1, 2009 10:01 p.m.

    It seems the Jazz brain trust have successfully managed themselves into the corner of paying the luxury tax to buy a mediocre team.

  • youngjazzfan
    July 1, 2009 9:50 p.m.

    i like apollo's idea. i think that trade would be good for the jazz and the suns.

  • Crazy Fan
    July 1, 2009 6:58 p.m.

    Boozer is okay. I know he's an all-star and chose to come play here. I know he only averages 22 points and 11 rebounds per game. I know he led the team to the conference finals.

    But that Paul Millsap. Boy, he's a star. He gets double doubles. And he really defends power forwards like Stoudemire and Gasol well. He shuts them out.

    When he plays, we win like 70% of the time. He's a Laker killer. He's worth at least 11 million per year for 7 years.

  • Dana
    July 1, 2009 5:20 p.m.

    I am glad that Korver is back but am not really thrilled with Okur or Boozer. In my opinion this just means that we Jazz fans can look for a 50 win season and an early exit from the playoffs. I really think that this team needs a face-lift. They need to get more athletic and tougher. I would love to see Boozer traded for Hamilton and another player even though Booz is a solid player. He is clearly not happy in Utah and is looking to leave so I wish that they would get it over with now. Why wait? What is to be gained?

  • Coach
    July 1, 2009 2:16 p.m.

    Wow, son of Larry is really bold! (SARCASM) It appears if he ever had an original thought, it died of loneliness...

  • To JAZZ fan in the 415 from Marc
    July 1, 2009 1:55 p.m.

    I think maybe they would be interested. It's an equal trade IMO. If they went to GS they wouldn't get as much talent as they would with a trade with us. An idea that im not sure of, but we have two first rounders next season right? Ours(the Jazz) and the NY Knicks. Why not offer ours as well. We still have the Knicks first, and that will be more valuable than ours. Plus we all know how Sloan loves to play our picks, so it really might not hurt us at all.

  • Yes Apollo
    July 1, 2009 1:39 p.m.

    That would be by far the best scenerio for us. AK doesn't seem happy here and he could become possibly a starter. While Boozer would fit the Suns persona and be a great contribution to them. Amare and J. Rich would fit the Jazz perfectly. It would bring in the defense Booze lacked, and a G that can shoot. Two concerns though-
    1. Brewer is our starting SG. and he very well deserves it.
    2. They may demand Brewer in the trade. Is that worth it?

  • JAZZ Fan in the 415
    July 1, 2009 1:03 p.m.

    Apollo Sun: I like your idea. its solid. I just don't see the Suns making that trade with the Jazz for competitive reasons.

    I can see the warriors deal go down because the Suns don't consider Golden State as big or as consistent of a threat as the Jazz.

    Bottom line: The Jazz need a CENTER that can protect the rim. A legit shot blocker/changer who can help the Jazz deal with teams that have TWO good big men, will help this team. I like Chris Anderson. Energetic, Shot blocker. Cheap, can guard the post. Doesn't need shots gets his buckets through hustling on offense...
    PS I love Milsap.

  • sign and trade
    July 1, 2009 12:08 p.m.

    Do a sign and trade deal and get andre miller to convert to shooting guard. With him and Deron williams on the court our ball control and defense would improve, plus hey... it's Andre....

  • Anonymous
    July 1, 2009 11:39 a.m.

    Jazz won't win a title unless they get a "true center." Love Money Memo but he has a European way of playing center (around the perimeter), and thats great and everything, but we need a big man in the post. Boozer is too small to fill that void. I'm a long time jazz fan, but I know they won't be able to do anything remarkable unless they make some trades to acquire one. Boozer obviously is staying because of the money, he can't make this kind of money anywhere else.

  • ANTI-BOOZER CAMPAIGN
    July 1, 2009 10:42 a.m.

    I'm on board

    It's funny that no other team wanted him. They must have actually watched tape of BOOZER playing defense.

    Boycott the first game with an empty arena.

  • Just Get AMARE!!
    July 1, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    Please somehow get Amare!!

  • Milsap
    July 1, 2009 10:09 a.m.

    is worth the tax penalties. He is proven himself to be a hard worker who is very grateful to be playing with the Jazz...

  • The Cavs Were Right!
    July 1, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    Now we understand why the Cavs dumped Boozer years ago. The Cavs understood he was over-rated...just like the Jazz have painfully come to understand. What a Bust!

  • Anonymous
    July 1, 2009 9:57 a.m.

    Hollywood

    Millsap is going to get a contract about 45 million for 5 years. OKC is the most likely suitor, but they are not going to pay him 65 million. No team is.

    The problem with your assessment of letting Millsap go. He may only average 16 points and 9 rebounds, but we can get that for 5 year a reasonable price. Boozer on the other hand we can only get for 1 year.

    Would anyone really want Boozer for 1 year for 13 million or Millsap for 5 years at 45 million.

    If the Jazz keep Okur, AK, Williams and Boozer long term (at 50+ million a year). Not only do they loose Millsap, but they also loose Brewer next off season. Teams that pay 4 players big money (Phoenix) Nash, Stoudemire, Ben Wallace, and Richardson - can't afford other any other good free agents. The Jazz cannot go long term with Boozer, Okur, Williams and Kirilenko.

  • TrueBlue
    July 1, 2009 9:45 a.m.

    What is sad is Boozer could have been a larger than life hero in this state...it really wouldn't have taken much... But his persona now will be hard to shake. I have tried and tried to say nah it the media creating this image of Boozer... but it has now become to difficult to deny that he is selfish and not really concerned with the team... Sad he could have been larger than life!

  • ANTI-BOOZER CAMPAIGN
    July 1, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    Let's start an anti-Loozer campaign. I am a season ticket holder, and I will be bringing an anti-loozer sign to every game next season. I would encourage all other Jazz fans to do the same. Let's force managment to make a trade!

  • RE: Hollywood
    July 1, 2009 9:23 a.m.

    Spot on assessment of the AK deal. I recall O'Conner agreeing to a max long term contract if the deal could be loaded on the back end. I was worried about that then, and it has come back to bite us.

    It is very popular to hate Boozer right now. I am excited to see how he plays this year. He faces a contract year, and he has already been rejected once. Now that he understands the reality, I think we will see him playing with effort, playing hurt, and maybe even a bit of defense.

    As for Milsap. I love to watch the guy play. He shows effort. He is also undersized at his position. I think a max money deal transforms him from a scrappy blue collar guy to a "made" white collar athlete, and four years from now we have another AK type fiasco.

    Let Milsap go boys, we may not have seen his best year. But as far as value for the money, this guy is history.

  • it doesn't matter
    July 1, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    If A.K. is still counted on to knock down an 18 foot jumper why bother.

  • I Don't Care What People Say
    July 1, 2009 9:19 a.m.

    I want character and integrity first and wins second. People like D-Will, Korver, Harpring, Memo, Brewer, Price, Koufus, Milsap, and apparently our 2 new picks make me proud of OUR team and as long as they are competitive I will buy, watch and cheer! Let the A.K.'s Boozers, Miles, types go pound sand somewhere else.

  • Blauch
    July 1, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    Boozer/Jazz did not attempt a contract extension. (unlike Okur)

    The Jazz have stated publicly they will match any offers for Millsap.

    Millsap (not Boozer) was in at the end of the game against LA - Game 5.

    The Jazz did not sell their draft pick for 3 million - instead they are going to be paying 2.5 (salary plus tax) that a 5.5 million dollar net for a player who is going to get 12 minutes a night backing up Williams.

    As for the Guy who was bagging on Millsap - He is 24 years old. Millsap starting numbers last season - 16pts 10rbs. Boozer starting numbers at 24 - 17pts 9rbs.

    All these things point to the Jazz trading Boozer (not for Stoudemire). Trade needs to be 8 to 10 million less in salary than Boozer

    Boozer to OKC for Chucky Brown and a Future first round pick.

    Boozer to Detroit for Kwame Brown and future first round pick.

    Multi players
    Boozer, Harpring, Miles (24 Million) for Rip Hameltion and Orberto (15 Million).

    The Jazz are not paying 80 million in salary and they are not letting Millsap go for 5 years (45 million) for Boozer 1 year.

  • Eat Crow
    July 1, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    Not Boozer as he made his best deal.

    If we are behind the 8 ball financially that is not Boozers fault. If Millers and bought a painting for $40,000 and 2 years later it is worth $14,000 should they blame the painting? They were the ones who paid Andrei ridiculous amounts even though it seemed like a good thing at the time.

    We get Boozer and Okur for $21 mil a year. Great deal in the market. Stop blaming Boozer for the Jazz's financial woes.

    Boozer is a stud and each game he plays healthy this season is another "in your eye" to the shallow Jazz fans.

    Millsap although a dedicated player is not worth selling the farm for. Some other team is going to pay him a Kirlenko amount of money, and he will be a painful loss for the Jazz but hopefully they have learned their lesson, if not they deserve to lose more.

    Carlos we are happy to have you back!!!!!!

  • on again off again jazz fan
    July 1, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    We just have to admit that Loozer pulled a fast one on yet another NBA team.
    If he tried to play defense, and through pain, as hard and well as he tries to screw his teams over for money, there would be no problems.
    He did it to Lebron and the Cavs, where he probably would have won a championship last year, and he'll keep doing it until he loses money, that is the only reason he didn't leave this year, the chance he wouldn't make more money.
    There is no loyalty in this, just business and I have to admit that it makes sense for his bank account and his kid's college funds.
    Doesn't mean I have to cheer for him or like him.

  • I've figured it out
    July 1, 2009 8:40 a.m.

    So Boozer opting in really only hurts the Miller family and let's face it since they own half the state already, 13 mil really isn't that big of a deal. But what the Jazz should do since they're stuck with his contract, and they're determined to keep Milap is trade Boozer for Bosh, both have similar one year contracts both want out of their current cities. It would be a win win for everybody. I know this won't happen but...

    Keep in mind that the Jazz can't just trade Boozer and dump 13 mil, they would have to get about 10 mil back in contracts, and I think the Millers would agree that going over for one season is better than going over for the next 3 or 4 seasons

  • drjay
    July 1, 2009 8:38 a.m.

    i thnik if players don't worry about the money this season and play the game like they are skilled to play and if we can get jerry sloan to coach little
    different. jerry thought he should a used price more in a rotation????it took last playoff game for that??/ /i think we can give lakers a good run if all our present players play like they are capable
    of playing..lakers utah in west finals!!!remember!!!

  • To HEY1
    July 1, 2009 8:37 a.m.

    Where else have you lived? You sound like several people I know that constantly criticize Utah yet never lived anyplace else. I have lived in California, Colorado, Utah and several places in Europe. Each place had its own quirkiness but in general they were all the same.

  • Millsap is gone.
    July 1, 2009 8:34 a.m.

    You loser millsaps fans will have to face that fact. Millsap isn't KG, he isn't Tim Duncan, He isn't Chris Bosh and he Isn't Karl Malone. Investing your future in millsap would be like investing your future in tyrus thomas who is also a bum. This is the best thing that could happen for the jazz because now millsaps contract won't be an albitross for our team like AK's and Ostertags were. His contract can burden some other team. Millsap is way ovverrated and won't be worth his new contract wherever that is.

  • re:apollo sun
    July 1, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    thats such a stupid idea. amare play worse defense than boozer. why in the world would he be a better playe to have? Jason Richardson Is the same way. Amare spent half of last season injured to and I don't hear the boozer haters complaining about that. Boozer won't be traded end of story.

  • Trade Bait
    July 1, 2009 8:28 a.m.

    Boozer to Detroit for either Rip Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince works financially. Either trade would save the Jazz a million or two, but still works under the salary cap rules. That would give Detroit the post presence they covet, and would allow the Jazz to re-sign Millsap and upgrade at the 2 or 3.

  • Apollo Sun
    July 1, 2009 8:16 a.m.

    Ghost, I know what you're saying. But having gotten rid of Marion and Shaq, the Suns are now desperate for defensive cover. You're right that AK would tie up some of their cap space, but he could work well in their system and Nash could bring the best out of him (like he did with Marion). As for Boozer he would replace some of the offensive hole left by Amare and anyway he'll be a free agent next year and free up another $12.5 million a year in cap space for the Suns in 2010/11. I agree it would be a hard sell, but thats O'Conner's job (not mine) to convince teams that a trade that makes the Jazz better, works for them too!

    Bear in mind both Amare and JRich have 2 more years. So it'll help clear salary cap space.

  • I may be crazy but
    July 1, 2009 8:06 a.m.

    I think the Jazz are still in a good situation as long as nobody tries to sign Milsap for $10,000,000+. I doubt the Jazz are going to keep Boozer, but even if they do and have to eat 13 mil in luxury tax money, they'll be able to recoup some of that in the next 3 years since Milsp's contract will likely be less than 10 mil every year and he's probably only going to get better.

    The only real question is who would they get for Boozer and would a trade ultimately hurt the Jazz long term if some of their young talent pans out?????

  • Ghost
    July 1, 2009 7:40 a.m.

    To Apollo Sun: I like your scenario, but the Suns are trying to clear cap room for rebuilding. Kirilinko doesn’t really play into that because he has two more years on his contract. I would love to see Richardson and Stoudamire in a Jazz uniform next year. Hopefully KO can pull something out of Boozer’s contract that make the Jazz better.

  • Hollywood
    July 1, 2009 7:22 a.m.

  • KOC = Hotseat
    July 1, 2009 7:18 a.m.

    This is about to get very interesting. If we match an offer for Millsap, there is no way he and Boozer can coexist any longer. Who would we start? The Loozer mercinary for one year or the guy we just signed to a 4-5 year deal to be our PF going forward? Boozer coming off the bench.... hilarious but it won't happen. If we resign Millsap, look for Boozer to be gone within a week.

  • Season tickets only worth half
    July 1, 2009 7:00 a.m.

    This team will win 45 — 50 games and lose in the first round. When you have a player that only cares about stats you’ll lose when it counts. BOOZERS defensive effort is so bad it actually creates a negative for the whole team defense concept. He can only score during the regular season when teams don’t play tuff defense. Put a big guy trying on him and he is done.

    There is a reason none of these guys opt'ed out, NOBODY WOULD PAY for these guys at their rate, but us.

    Booz = No effort, no defense, no toughness
    Okur = No defense, no toughness
    Korver = No defense, slow, can only spot-up shot
    Total = No defense, lots of money, first round gone again

    1320 quit towing the company line and say what you really feel, don’t just be a Locke.

  • THEeyepatch
    July 1, 2009 6:53 a.m.

    Good business sense for both Booz and Memo. I guess paying 16 million for Pop-gun 47 is acceptable. Sounds like someone painted the Jazz into a corner on that deal. Who would want to pay a bench player 16 million? Da Jazz.

  • louisiana jazz man
    July 1, 2009 6:52 a.m.

    hope milsap goes to okc little closer for me . 10 mil big barginboz worth 13 millie worth 20.

  • Apollo Sun
    July 1, 2009 6:39 a.m.

    TRADE: What about trading Boozer and Kirilenko to Phoenix for Amare Stoudamire and Jason Richardson. The money works out as their combined contracts are the same. The Suns have been looking to ship Amare. They'll replace him with Boozer and be able to clear themselves of him too next summer if they want. Meanwhile the Jazz will finally get rid of AK's contract and get an all-star PF with defensive ability and an athletic SG with 3PT shooting. If the Jazz are gonna pay luxury tax, why not do it for two player that are worth it.

    Just imagine a lineup of:

    Deron Williams (Maynor)
    Jason Richardson (Brewer)
    Kyle Korver (CJ Miles)
    Amare Stoudamire (Millsap)
    Mehmet Okur (Koufos)

    Finally Championship contenders!!!!!!

  • Doesn't matter
    July 1, 2009 6:16 a.m.

    It doesn't matter who the Jazz have on their team, as long as Ole Jerry is calling the shots they will never win big. His system is broken and doesn't work. Everyone and their dog knew that Knight belonged on the bench, and Price on the floor last season, well, everyone except Jerry. Then after the final loss he says maybe he should have played Price more. Really? Do you think? So Boozer and Memo coming back doesn't really mean anything, just another 8th seed first round spanking for next year.

  • ECR
    July 1, 2009 5:06 a.m.

    Hey1 and Brabbit - when you find a state where the law doesn't dictate what you do, let me know, will you. You guys sound like so many others that I encountered when I lived in Utah. "Oh, these draconian drinking laws and the big, bad Mormon church are making my life miserable." "So where are you thinking of moving to?", I would ask. "Oh, I'd never leave here. I love it here."

  • rvalens2
    July 1, 2009 1:52 a.m.

    " ... And that prompted Boozer's camp to swallow pride, change plans and remain in Utah."

    Hmmn ... there's nothing better than watching Boozer eat CROW.

  • Brabbit
    July 1, 2009 1:31 a.m.

    I would have to agree the law does dictate how you live your life there. My best day in Utah is everytime I drive home and it's in my rear view mirror. Still love the Jazz thank god for nba ticket.

  • HEY1
    July 1, 2009 12:15 a.m.

    Utah in general is a Real Drag!! get over it!
    this is one state where the Law tells you to go home, not good for night life, business, anything, but in Utah, law enforcement dictates what you can do, and how long you can do it! similar to Iran, and N.Korea

  • Millsap plans to sign
    July 1, 2009 12:08 a.m.

    but he wants to see what David Lee gets. MEM is looking for a PF, OKC would like to hassle the Jazz like they did on CJ, however they really do not need Millsap. DET is a possible suitor but they appear to be interested in other players more. POR has 8 Mill in cap, SAC has 12 and ATL has 9.

    There are a number of PF FAs including Varajao, Villaueva, Lee, Odom, Gooden, McDyess, Bass, Davis, Frye, Powe, Smith, Rose, Randolf and others. Wallace, Gortat and Anderson also command attention as Cs. Turkoglu, Marion, Ariza and several other SFs are in the mix.

    Anyway there are a lot of big names available and a lot of good young players with much potential and only 6 teams with more than 8 mill to bid. Some of those teams will save money and some will pursue Guards.

    The big question is how much more than the mid level exemption is Millsap going to get offered?

  • Mike
    June 30, 2009 11:51 p.m.

    "It had nothing to do with love for Salt Lake City, that's for sure,"

    Hey, the feeling's mutual.