better idea would now be boycott on opening night, except I will be accused by
Houdini and others of being an outsider and no one will have the guts to do
it.Let me beat Houdini..."go Jazz, Go SLC, Go Sloan"This roster can destroy the improved SPurs, Lakers and others. sure...
Whoever thinks that Amare is not a better defender than Carlos Boozer is crazy.
Anyway not worth arguing, point is a Amare/J.Richadson for Boozer/AK would
beneit both teams, it works out financially.... but more importantly the Jazz
would be contenders.The idea that no-one trades to help others in
their division isn't always true.... the Clippers just traded Zach Randolph to
the Grizzlies.'JAZZ Fan in the 415' i agree we could do with a
center like Chris Anderson. Tyson Chandler is another one (if he can stay fit).
And of course Marcus Camby. But i have to say i have high hopes for Koufos, so
only if we moves Okur to 4 (got rid of Booz) and had Koufos as back up 5 to
Anderson/Chandler/Camby. Bottom line i hope Sloan gives KK a chance to prove
he's the Center we've been lacking since...... Mark Eaton?
Mr. The Cavs Were Right: The Cavs did not dump Boozer. He dumped them.
It seems the Jazz brain trust have successfully managed themselves into the
corner of paying the luxury tax to buy a mediocre team.
i like apollo's idea. i think that trade would be good for the jazz and the
Boozer is okay. I know he's an all-star and chose to come play here. I know he
only averages 22 points and 11 rebounds per game. I know he led the team to the
conference finals.But that Paul Millsap. Boy, he's a star. He gets
double doubles. And he really defends power forwards like Stoudemire and Gasol
well. He shuts them out.When he plays, we win like 70% of the time.
He's a Laker killer. He's worth at least 11 million per year for 7 years.
I am glad that Korver is back but am not really thrilled with Okur or Boozer. In
my opinion this just means that we Jazz fans can look for a 50 win season and an
early exit from the playoffs. I really think that this team needs a face-lift.
They need to get more athletic and tougher. I would love to see Boozer traded
for Hamilton and another player even though Booz is a solid player. He is
clearly not happy in Utah and is looking to leave so I wish that they would get
it over with now. Why wait? What is to be gained?
Wow, son of Larry is really bold! (SARCASM) It appears if he ever had an
original thought, it died of loneliness...
I think maybe they would be interested. It's an equal trade IMO. If they went
to GS they wouldn't get as much talent as they would with a trade with us. An
idea that im not sure of, but we have two first rounders next season right?
Ours(the Jazz) and the NY Knicks. Why not offer ours as well. We still have
the Knicks first, and that will be more valuable than ours. Plus we all know
how Sloan loves to play our picks, so it really might not hurt us at all.
That would be by far the best scenerio for us. AK doesn't seem happy here and
he could become possibly a starter. While Boozer would fit the Suns persona and
be a great contribution to them. Amare and J. Rich would fit the Jazz
perfectly. It would bring in the defense Booze lacked, and a G that can shoot.
Two concerns though-1. Brewer is our starting SG. and he very well
deserves it.2. They may demand Brewer in the trade. Is that worth it?
Apollo Sun: I like your idea. its solid. I just don't see the Suns making that
trade with the Jazz for competitive reasons. I can see the warriors
deal go down because the Suns don't consider Golden State as big or as
consistent of a threat as the Jazz. Bottom line: The Jazz need a
CENTER that can protect the rim. A legit shot blocker/changer who can help the
Jazz deal with teams that have TWO good big men, will help this team. I like
Chris Anderson. Energetic, Shot blocker. Cheap, can guard the post. Doesn't need
shots gets his buckets through hustling on offense...PS I love Milsap.
Do a sign and trade deal and get andre miller to convert to shooting guard.
With him and Deron williams on the court our ball control and defense would
improve, plus hey... it's Andre....
Jazz won't win a title unless they get a "true center." Love Money Memo but he
has a European way of playing center (around the perimeter), and thats great and
everything, but we need a big man in the post. Boozer is too small to fill that
void. I'm a long time jazz fan, but I know they won't be able to do anything
remarkable unless they make some trades to acquire one. Boozer obviously is
staying because of the money, he can't make this kind of money anywhere else.
I'm on boardIt's funny that no other team wanted him. They must have
actually watched tape of BOOZER playing defense. Boycott the first
game with an empty arena.
Please somehow get Amare!!
is worth the tax penalties. He is proven himself to be a hard worker who is
very grateful to be playing with the Jazz...
Now we understand why the Cavs dumped Boozer years ago. The Cavs understood he
was over-rated...just like the Jazz have painfully come to understand. What a
HollywoodMillsap is going to get a contract about 45 million for 5
years. OKC is the most likely suitor, but they are not going to pay him 65
million. No team is. The problem with your assessment of letting
Millsap go. He may only average 16 points and 9 rebounds, but we can get that
for 5 year a reasonable price. Boozer on the other hand we can only get for 1
year. Would anyone really want Boozer for 1 year for 13 million or
Millsap for 5 years at 45 million. If the Jazz keep Okur, AK,
Williams and Boozer long term (at 50+ million a year). Not only do they loose
Millsap, but they also loose Brewer next off season. Teams that pay 4 players
big money (Phoenix) Nash, Stoudemire, Ben Wallace, and Richardson - can't afford
other any other good free agents. The Jazz cannot go long term with Boozer,
Okur, Williams and Kirilenko.
What is sad is Boozer could have been a larger than life hero in this state...it
really wouldn't have taken much... But his persona now will be hard to shake. I
have tried and tried to say nah it the media creating this image of Boozer...
but it has now become to difficult to deny that he is selfish and not really
concerned with the team... Sad he could have been larger than life!
Let's start an anti-Loozer campaign. I am a season ticket holder, and I will be
bringing an anti-loozer sign to every game next season. I would encourage all
other Jazz fans to do the same. Let's force managment to make a trade!
Spot on assessment of the AK deal. I recall O'Conner agreeing to a max long
term contract if the deal could be loaded on the back end. I was worried about
that then, and it has come back to bite us. It is very popular to
hate Boozer right now. I am excited to see how he plays this year. He faces a
contract year, and he has already been rejected once. Now that he understands
the reality, I think we will see him playing with effort, playing hurt, and
maybe even a bit of defense.As for Milsap. I love to watch the guy
play. He shows effort. He is also undersized at his position. I think a max
money deal transforms him from a scrappy blue collar guy to a "made" white
collar athlete, and four years from now we have another AK type fiasco.Let Milsap go boys, we may not have seen his best year. But as far as value
for the money, this guy is history.
If A.K. is still counted on to knock down an 18 foot jumper why bother.
I want character and integrity first and wins second. People like D-Will,
Korver, Harpring, Memo, Brewer, Price, Koufus, Milsap, and apparently our 2 new
picks make me proud of OUR team and as long as they are competitive I will buy,
watch and cheer! Let the A.K.'s Boozers, Miles, types go pound sand somewhere
Boozer/Jazz did not attempt a contract extension. (unlike Okur)The
Jazz have stated publicly they will match any offers for Millsap.Millsap (not Boozer) was in at the end of the game against LA - Game 5.The Jazz did not sell their draft pick for 3 million - instead they are
going to be paying 2.5 (salary plus tax) that a 5.5 million dollar net for a
player who is going to get 12 minutes a night backing up Williams. As for the Guy who was bagging on Millsap - He is 24 years old. Millsap
starting numbers last season - 16pts 10rbs. Boozer starting numbers at 24 -
17pts 9rbs. All these things point to the Jazz trading Boozer (not
for Stoudemire). Trade needs to be 8 to 10 million less in salary than Boozer
Boozer to OKC for Chucky Brown and a Future first round pick.Boozer to Detroit for Kwame Brown and future first round pick.Multi playersBoozer, Harpring, Miles (24 Million) for Rip Hameltion and
Orberto (15 Million). The Jazz are not paying 80 million in salary
and they are not letting Millsap go for 5 years (45 million) for Boozer 1 year.
Not Boozer as he made his best deal. If we are behind the 8 ball
financially that is not Boozers fault. If Millers and bought a painting for
$40,000 and 2 years later it is worth $14,000 should they blame the painting?
They were the ones who paid Andrei ridiculous amounts even though it seemed like
a good thing at the time.We get Boozer and Okur for $21 mil a year.
Great deal in the market. Stop blaming Boozer for the Jazz's financial woes.Boozer is a stud and each game he plays healthy this season is another
"in your eye" to the shallow Jazz fans.Millsap although a dedicated
player is not worth selling the farm for. Some other team is going to pay him a
Kirlenko amount of money, and he will be a painful loss for the Jazz but
hopefully they have learned their lesson, if not they deserve to lose more.Carlos we are happy to have you back!!!!!!
We just have to admit that Loozer pulled a fast one on yet another NBA team. If he tried to play defense, and through pain, as hard and well as he tries to
screw his teams over for money, there would be no problems. He did it to
Lebron and the Cavs, where he probably would have won a championship last year,
and he'll keep doing it until he loses money, that is the only reason he didn't
leave this year, the chance he wouldn't make more money. There is no
loyalty in this, just business and I have to admit that it makes sense for his
bank account and his kid's college funds. Doesn't mean I have to cheer for
him or like him.
So Boozer opting in really only hurts the Miller family and let's face it since
they own half the state already, 13 mil really isn't that big of a deal. But
what the Jazz should do since they're stuck with his contract, and they're
determined to keep Milap is trade Boozer for Bosh, both have similar one year
contracts both want out of their current cities. It would be a win win for
everybody. I know this won't happen but...Keep in mind that the
Jazz can't just trade Boozer and dump 13 mil, they would have to get about 10
mil back in contracts, and I think the Millers would agree that going over for
one season is better than going over for the next 3 or 4 seasons
i thnik if players don't worry about the money this season and play the game
like they are skilled to play and if we can get jerry sloan to coach littledifferent. jerry thought he should a used price more in a rotation????it took
last playoff game for that??/ /i think we can give lakers a good run if all our
present players play like they are capableof playing..lakers utah in west
Where else have you lived? You sound like several people I know that constantly
criticize Utah yet never lived anyplace else. I have lived in California,
Colorado, Utah and several places in Europe. Each place had its own quirkiness
but in general they were all the same.
You loser millsaps fans will have to face that fact. Millsap isn't KG, he isn't
Tim Duncan, He isn't Chris Bosh and he Isn't Karl Malone. Investing your future
in millsap would be like investing your future in tyrus thomas who is also a
bum. This is the best thing that could happen for the jazz because now millsaps
contract won't be an albitross for our team like AK's and Ostertags were. His
contract can burden some other team. Millsap is way ovverrated and won't be
worth his new contract wherever that is.
thats such a stupid idea. amare play worse defense than boozer. why in the world
would he be a better playe to have? Jason Richardson Is the same way. Amare
spent half of last season injured to and I don't hear the boozer haters
complaining about that. Boozer won't be traded end of story.
Boozer to Detroit for either Rip Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince works financially.
Either trade would save the Jazz a million or two, but still works under the
salary cap rules. That would give Detroit the post presence they covet, and
would allow the Jazz to re-sign Millsap and upgrade at the 2 or 3.
Ghost, I know what you're saying. But having gotten rid of Marion and Shaq, the
Suns are now desperate for defensive cover. You're right that AK would tie up
some of their cap space, but he could work well in their system and Nash could
bring the best out of him (like he did with Marion). As for Boozer he would
replace some of the offensive hole left by Amare and anyway he'll be a free
agent next year and free up another $12.5 million a year in cap space for the
Suns in 2010/11. I agree it would be a hard sell, but thats O'Conner's job (not
mine) to convince teams that a trade that makes the Jazz better, works for them
too!Bear in mind both Amare and JRich have 2 more years. So it'll
help clear salary cap space.
I think the Jazz are still in a good situation as long as nobody tries to sign
Milsap for $10,000,000+. I doubt the Jazz are going to keep Boozer, but even if
they do and have to eat 13 mil in luxury tax money, they'll be able to recoup
some of that in the next 3 years since Milsp's contract will likely be less than
10 mil every year and he's probably only going to get better.The
only real question is who would they get for Boozer and would a trade ultimately
hurt the Jazz long term if some of their young talent pans out?????
To Apollo Sun: I like your scenario, but the Suns are trying to clear cap room
for rebuilding. Kirilinko doesn’t really play into that because he has
two more years on his contract. I would love to see Richardson and Stoudamire
in a Jazz uniform next year. Hopefully KO can pull something out of
Boozer’s contract that make the Jazz better.
This is about to get very interesting. If we match an offer for Millsap, there
is no way he and Boozer can coexist any longer. Who would we start? The Loozer
mercinary for one year or the guy we just signed to a 4-5 year deal to be our PF
going forward? Boozer coming off the bench.... hilarious but it won't happen. If
we resign Millsap, look for Boozer to be gone within a week.
This team will win 45 — 50 games and lose in the first round. When you
have a player that only cares about stats you’ll lose when it counts.
BOOZERS defensive effort is so bad it actually creates a negative for the whole
team defense concept. He can only score during the regular season when teams
don’t play tuff defense. Put a big guy trying on him and he is done. There is a reason none of these guys opt'ed out, NOBODY WOULD PAY for
these guys at their rate, but us. Booz = No effort, no defense, no
toughnessOkur = No defense, no toughnessKorver = No defense, slow,
can only spot-up shot Total = No defense, lots of money, first round gone
again1320 quit towing the company line and say what you really feel,
don’t just be a Locke.
Good business sense for both Booz and Memo. I guess paying 16 million for
Pop-gun 47 is acceptable. Sounds like someone painted the Jazz into a corner on
that deal. Who would want to pay a bench player 16 million? Da Jazz.
hope milsap goes to okc little closer for me . 10 mil big barginboz worth 13
millie worth 20.
TRADE: What about trading Boozer and Kirilenko to Phoenix for Amare Stoudamire
and Jason Richardson. The money works out as their combined contracts are the
same. The Suns have been looking to ship Amare. They'll replace him with Boozer
and be able to clear themselves of him too next summer if they want. Meanwhile
the Jazz will finally get rid of AK's contract and get an all-star PF with
defensive ability and an athletic SG with 3PT shooting. If the Jazz are gonna
pay luxury tax, why not do it for two player that are worth it.Just
imagine a lineup of:Deron Williams (Maynor)Jason Richardson
(Brewer)Kyle Korver (CJ Miles)Amare Stoudamire (Millsap)Mehmet
Okur (Koufos)Finally Championship contenders!!!!!!
It doesn't matter who the Jazz have on their team, as long as Ole Jerry is
calling the shots they will never win big. His system is broken and doesn't
work. Everyone and their dog knew that Knight belonged on the bench, and Price
on the floor last season, well, everyone except Jerry. Then after the final
loss he says maybe he should have played Price more. Really? Do you think? So
Boozer and Memo coming back doesn't really mean anything, just another 8th seed
first round spanking for next year.
Hey1 and Brabbit - when you find a state where the law doesn't dictate what you
do, let me know, will you. You guys sound like so many others that I
encountered when I lived in Utah. "Oh, these draconian drinking laws and the
big, bad Mormon church are making my life miserable." "So where are you
thinking of moving to?", I would ask. "Oh, I'd never leave here. I love it
" ... And that prompted Boozer's camp to swallow pride, change plans and remain
in Utah."Hmmn ... there's nothing better than watching Boozer eat
I would have to agree the law does dictate how you live your life there. My best
day in Utah is everytime I drive home and it's in my rear view mirror. Still
love the Jazz thank god for nba ticket.
Utah in general is a Real Drag!! get over it!this is one state where the
Law tells you to go home, not good for night life, business, anything, but in
Utah, law enforcement dictates what you can do, and how long you can do it!
similar to Iran, and N.Korea
but he wants to see what David Lee gets. MEM is looking for a PF, OKC would like
to hassle the Jazz like they did on CJ, however they really do not need Millsap.
DET is a possible suitor but they appear to be interested in other players more.
POR has 8 Mill in cap, SAC has 12 and ATL has 9. There are a number
of PF FAs including Varajao, Villaueva, Lee, Odom, Gooden, McDyess, Bass, Davis,
Frye, Powe, Smith, Rose, Randolf and others. Wallace, Gortat and Anderson also
command attention as Cs. Turkoglu, Marion, Ariza and several other SFs are in
the mix.Anyway there are a lot of big names available and a lot of
good young players with much potential and only 6 teams with more than 8 mill to
bid. Some of those teams will save money and some will pursue Guards. The big question is how much more than the mid level exemption is Millsap
going to get offered?
"It had nothing to do with love for Salt Lake City, that's for sure," Hey, the feeling's mutual.