Published: Wednesday, July 1 2009 12:00 a.m. MDT
Typical Desnews Milk Toast.
The editorial says that E-Verify will pull apart families. Families may be
pulled apart because the adults CHOSE to enter or stay in this country illegally
with full knowledge that they were breaking the law. They certainly do not need
to be separated but can take their children home with them. Again, it is their
CHOICE. Whatever happened to people being taught to be accountable for their
own actions? Breaking laws brings consequences for each of us. It has ever
been so. I cannot understand why some folks think illegal aliens and their
employers aren’t required to be accountable for their actions like the
rest of us. How many American families are separated when our
soldiers go off to war? How many families are separated when sons or daughters
(or parents) go on missions? Consider all the criminals in prisons who are
separated from their families. None of these can choose to take their children
with them. Illegal aliens are free to do so. Their choice to break the law
brought them to this point. It is also their choice about whether or not to
break up their family. They do have choices.
The editorial says, “The law places extra burdens on business owners,
requiring them to use an E-verify system for which many of them lack training.
Elsewhere, this system has been shown to reject legal residents by
mistake.” A study in June 2009 by the Program Evaluation
Division of the Office of the Legislative Auditor, State of Minnesota found that
most participating Minnesota businesses have positive opinions of E-Verify and
report that the cost of using the system is not a significant concern. This
study also reported that the accuracy of E-Verify has improved and that
nationally, 93 percent or more of queries result in immediate verification of
work-authorization; less than 1 percent result in erroneous determinations that
an employee is not eligible to work. Did you get that? Less than 1%
of queries result in erroneous determinations that an employee is not eligible
to work. This is infinitely more accurate than eyeballing fraudulent IDs and
pretending not to notice. I just wish all employers were required
to use E-Verify. I think the day will come.
Nearly all Federal crimes including arson, bank fraud, bank robbery, bribery,
carjacking, child pornography, identity theft, identity fraud and many more are
enforced at state, local and federal levels.So why would these
hypocrites in sanctuary areas feel illegal immigration is any different? Those who come here illegally, steal our IDs and ignore our laws have
already demonstrated they lack the honesty and decency to ever become American
citizens. a.) Enforce the existing immigration laws.b.) Secure
the border.c.) Don't hire illegal aliens.d.) No anchor babies.e.) Deportation through attrition.
Why do the Democrats work so hard to steal elections and gain control of
legislatures when they advocate ignoring the laws that already exist? The
operative word here is "illegal." As for the issue of Federal and State
jurisdiction, we already settled that question 136 years ago. Over 600,000
Americans, the equivalent of over 6,000,000 now, died to determine that Congress
and the Constitution get to decide who is a citizen, not some local cabal in
Atlanta or Selma or Salt Lake City.
... when its easier and less time consuming to rely on emotion.The
Deseret News should not be surprised when this thoughtful editorial is roundly
rejected by the majority of Utahns.It was only weeks ago that the
current Lt. Governor, a man with zero scientific experience or training
questioned a Nobel Prize winning scientist on the validity of global warming.With their reaction to this editorial, Utahns will again illustrate how
comfortable they are with a fact-free society.
Why would obedience to law cause sadness? Here in Utah, and in many other
places, we were taught while we were still young that every blessing is
predicated upon a law and if we want any blessing we must be willing to live the
law to which that blessing belongs.America is a good and wonderful
place, in part because we have order. That order is sustained by law. Those
that obey those laws live freely within an ordered society.When laws
are disregarded, chaos results. When laws are ignored by those who have taken
an oath to uphold those laws, even greater chaos results, because then many are
given the impression that our laws are meaningless.The law is not
meaningless. Breaking a law has consequences. Families will be hurt. Those
families were first hurt when they chose to ignore immigration laws. They were
hurt again when our politicians wanted their vote and chose to ignore their
illegal activity. Now they will be hurt a third time when the original law is
enforced.Obedience to law brings happiness. Breaking laws brings
misery. Choices have consequences.
The argument is made that these people break the law, well who hasn't broken a
law?The argument is made that these people are criminals, but the
law against being undocumented isn't a criminal law, any more than
jaywalking.The argument is made that these people do harm because
they send money back home, but if the world wasn't willing to accept the US
dollar as an international currency, our overspending would cause great
inflation, their sending money home is effectively the opposite of
counterfeiting money.The argument is made that these people commit
more crimes, but newly released studies show this isn't true.In
short a lot of arguments are made against these people, but the arguments and
the truth are not in harmony.These people pick our crops, clean our
hotel rooms, provide affordable housing to through their high quality and
affordable labor, without their contributions, our economy would be less than it
is.If many common people are frustrated that the government doesn't
listen to them, it is because officials in government are aware of, and
acknowledge something they don't or refuse to, that these people are great
contributors to society.
Why would obedience to law cause sadness?Go take a class in American
and world history, and when you are finished come back and comment in this
forum.Slavery, Jim Crow laws, Laws against giving protection to Jews
so they couldn't be taken to the ovens.You come across as someone
who is ignorant of any history, as someone who learned as a child to obey all
laws, and never got past that simple precept to see that life and the world is
more complicated than that.
I get tired of everyone who takes the illegal immigrants side and says, "They
aren't doing anything worse than jaywalking...." What they won't accept is that
these illegal immigrants FAMILIES are bleeding the medical field dry. They go to
hospitals and can't be refused services just because they are illegal. So THAT
cost is passed off to you and I. They don't pay taxes, so that money is lost and
not recovered. Remind me how that relates to jaywalking or speeding? I
sympathize with their story that they're trying to find a better life for their
families but there is a LEGAL way to do that. My mom came here from Sweden years
ago LEGALLY. She didn't complain that the country didn't speak Swedish to
accomodate her. We now, because of the illegal immigrants, are forced to have
Spanish speaking options for everything and THAT comes at a cost to the legal
taxpayers. It's okay to feel sorry for these illegal immigrants plights, but our
sorrow and pity doesn't need to go any further than that. Become citizens
LEGALLY. That's the law!
People who argue against comprehensive immigration reform, say making the
undocumented pay a fine is amnesty, if they are allowed to stay in the
country.Well is it amnesty too if when anyone gets a speeding ticket
they also get a fine, but are allowed to continue on with their journey and not
sent back to where they started?
Let's just annex Mexico. It is a fabulously rich country and we are paying the
price for its social problems and foolish system. At least we should send the
Mexican oligarchs a bill.
This is a sad day for Utah. We will see the consequences of our choices
over time and see that this law will do more harm than good. I am amazed by
people's unwillingness to see things as they really are. The editorial say's "It
turns anyone with brown skin into a suspect and is sure to breed racism." The
breading of racism has already increased greatly in this state because of people
holding to views about this law that do not square with reality.
... is moral.For a refresher course, see "Civil Disobedience" by
Henry David Thoreau.
Conservatives will quote you a thousand reasons for allowing illegal immigrants
to come and live in the United States and all of them will be false, phony and
lies. The real truth for allowing the illegal immigration is to provide cheap
labor to business.When something threatens that goal, it is
considered a sad day. A sad day for business.However a sad day for
Utah businesses with regard to the cheap labor market, is a most happy day for
I agree let them do it legally, but how are they to do it legally unless
comprehensive immigration reform is passed by the congress?
The only notorious part of SB81 is how notoriously weak a bill it is. The
eVerify provision should apply to all employers in Utah and there should be a
large fine if any employer hires an illegal without using that process. I think
the only compassion we're seeing in this paper is compassion for the Chamber of
Commerce and the employers who may actually have to pay legal wages.
If we allow foreign workers to come at will, should we also allow foreign
businesses of come at will. Shops, stores, factories, plumbers, banks, etc.If America is to become (or remain) a fair place to live and have life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness, there must be balance in the forces that
control our lives. And the biggest forces that control our lives is business.
What they don't realize is the burdens Illegals do place on society far
outweights the burden expecting them to be fairly, and legally in this country
TO WAKE UPI work in a west side hospital where a large amount of our
clientele are hispanic and I have talked to people in charge about what you say
and have found it not to be true. The majority of them do pay taxes and do so
legally though They are not eligible for welfare or other entitlements accept a
few emergence service and education for their children.
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