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Generation gap largest since 1960s, study finds

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No wonder | 1:35 a.m. June 29, 2009
I'm not surprised by the survey results here. What I observe is that many parents fail to talk to their children about their values at all, let alone in a way that applies them to real-life. They fail to give them many guidelines and generally just let society and friends teach. This current generation enjoys an unprecedented level of good living without learning consequences at an early age of their decisions. Furthermore, a surprising number of parents I know like their teenagers to explore areas beyond their own values.

There are many factors for this, but parents are in control and failing to just talk to their kids and stay close. It starts with disinterest at an early age. I see this as a shift that as a societal 'global warming' with far-reaching impact for the children of this generation.
Generally, | 4:46 a.m. June 29, 2009
I find these older people to be more respectable than these younger people. They have more experiences going through the years while younger people took a lot of things for granted. I've leaned toward associating with these people so I can benefit how I can live my life. I am grateful for these older people guiding me through life a bit easier.
Anonymous | 6:45 a.m. June 29, 2009
"18- to 29-year-olds voted for Democrat Barack Obama by a 2-to-1 ratio."
Proof that each generation produces a more liberal generation than the stodgy one before them.
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Senior Missionary in Peru | 8:09 a.m. June 29, 2009
At age 64, I look around at people near my age and see a huge disparity in "apparent age," that is, some 64 year olds look and act much older than other 64 year olds. In general, however, age 64 is much, MUCH younger than I thought it was when I turned 30.

In terms of religion, my own seven children have about the same average dedication to the Mormon faith as my own generation, that is, about the same as the average among my wife and me, my siblings, and my brothers- and sisters-in-law. That observation may or may not be generally true among Mormons.
Old quote still applies | 8:13 a.m. June 29, 2009
"If you're not a Democrat at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a Republican at 30, you have no brain."

Of course it would help if our Republican leaders actually had been acting like Republicans, instead of Democrats.

That said, it's still possible to raise conservative children. At age 14 and 11, my kids are very aware of politics and the world, and see things with conservative, religious values.
Anonymous | 8:42 a.m. June 29, 2009
I don't understand... If you are a republican and conservative you automatically are an upstanding moral person. But if you are Democrat and liberal you're just not moral??? This is what I have been getting from some of these posts

I think some of you people need to get out of your little box...
Independent Youth | 9:04 a.m. June 29, 2009
Thank God these old, traditionalistic views are dieing off. We can now move forward to a more free thinking, accepting, live and let live America. Where all people are free. I love how the older crowd automatically deams us younger people as immoral, misguided sould with no manners or respect. The same can be said to all of you who automatically judge and look down upon us because of our free thinking attitudes. We are seen as immoral because we think it is ok to let the gay couple who loves each other get married and have children??? Maybe you are immoral for trying to force your religion and "values" upon everyone else. Thank God for a new wave of freedom and justice for ALL!!! Not just freedom and justice for all who believe the same religion as me.

As for you senior missionary in Peru... you state "That observation may or may not be generally true among Mormons."

Typical for you to stand on your box and say that these problems don't affect the Mormons. That all is well in la la land... keep thinking that... you will see how wrong you are!
Teacher of Youth | 9:33 a.m. June 29, 2009
To all other "independent youth": As a teacher of your very age group, (and being only 33 years old myself) I have witnessed the best and worst that this generation has to offer. I have seen rampent apathy on one hand and incredible moral strength, kindness and manners on the other.
However, if I had to make a generalization from my years of being a youth and working with youth, then I would have to say that the moral climate and the free thinking, and the overall manners and entitlement of the youth is reaching empidemic proportions.
I love,honor and admire the aging generation. I not only support their stand on moral issues, but I strive to live them and ingrain them into my students.
The youth of today have so many opportunities at their fingertips. Yet with the attitude that many are taking, many of those opportunities may be taken away because of this attitude of free thinking. This may come from an outside influence, but more likely from an addiction that they have brought upon themselves because of that very attitude.
I love the youth and pray for their success.
Answers | 9:45 a.m. June 29, 2009
The reason there's such a difference between the older and younger generations is simple: The younger generation (of which I am, sadly, a part) are generally idiots.

- We are demanding higher pay while working less hours than any previous generation.
- Key educational metrics (ACT scores, literacy rates) are trending down.
- The amount of wasted time (i.e. time spent watching TV, movies, texting, surfing the web, and playing video games) are trending up.....WAY up.
- The sense of entitlement to have whatever your parents had without having to work for it is also up.
- Poor financial planning/management is worse among the young.

Looking at these facts, it's easy to see why my generation are electing people like Obama - promises of getting something for nothing, removal of personal responsibility, etc. I take that back....we're not as idiotic as I stated previously.
@9:04 | 9:49 a.m. June 29, 2009
Umm, maybe you need to re-take biology? Gays can't have children, unless they have other people's children. Whether you look at it from a religious standpoint, a legal standpoint, or a biological one, gay marriage doesn't make sense. The whole reason for legal marriage is not to validate feelings. It's to protect the potential children that may result, and the wife, who as the child bearer and usually the caregiver is in a weaker economic position. Neither situation is applicable in a gay relationship.

Every society that has ever let traditional morality fall apart has fallen itself. Children need both fathers and mothers, and suffer from the lack of either one. Plenty of social research backs this up.

It is so ridiculous watching liberals talk out of both sides of their mouths - on the one hand they say that it doesn't matter the gender of parents, and then you get female politicians and judges - who "bring something totally different" to their positions. How is it that gender matters in politics, business and the judicial system, but not in parenting?
to independent youth: | 9:53 a.m. June 29, 2009
I guess if you think that you have more free thinking, and acually it seems that each new generation votes in more government with more control.
Anonymous | 9:53 a.m. June 29, 2009
I was raised as conservative as they come. To this day, my siblings are among the most conservative people you could ever meet. I completed a bachelor's degree. My views were even more conservative! I completed a Master's Degree. My views began to get radical. Now I bristle when I talk to my siblings because their views are so out of touch and simple-minded. I am liberal now, and it took education and many years to get that way. Funny thing is, my children are peers and colleagues in the liberal camp! We have no generation gap.

Don't pride yourself on how conservative you children are at the ripe old ages of 11 or 14 or even 18, 20, or 30. At the age of 30 I was a conservative monster! Now I cringe when I think of those dogmatic, ignorant times!

Parents have to learn the truth that YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OR INFLUENCE ON YOUR CHILDREN'S ULTIMATE POLITICAL BELIEFS! As much as you try to indoctrinate them, they will be more persuaded by contemporaries rather than you. Get used to it. Your religion and your politics are one generation from extinction.
Alex | 9:58 a.m. June 29, 2009
This might be mean; I look at the older generations as dinosaurs. With any generation you can find the strong parts and pick apart their short comings. Lets look at the past 30 years. Right now heath care is unaffordable. Public education has been knowingly broken for some time now, and still is. The average house price went from 20,000 in 1970 to 230,000 in 2007. We have been in some kind of war for over 30 years now (and were a peaceful nation?). You have let congress be filled with greedy people that have no character or who want to help America. I bet the older generations have NO IDEA who owns/runs the Federal Reserve (they control our money if you didnt know). The worst of all. Is our economy, the US economy is crippled. Why should we follow your lead generations of the past? All of this makes me a little angry. But more, it makes me truly disappointed. It really hurts when you look at your father disappointed that he didnt take more actions to guarantee the quality of America. Respectfully written by the younger generation, I am 23.
Independent Youth | 10:02 a.m. June 29, 2009
@ Teacher of Youth...

I completely agree with you that with every generation there are good and bad. I am not saying that all the youth of today are amazing, wonderful people, and that the older generation is full of closed minded, bigots! I know many, many people of the older generation, who I look up to an admire. All I am saying is that this new generation has all of these oppurtunities because of our free thinking. Imagine how it would be if the free thinkers of the past just sat aside and put racial rights and womens rights on the back burner??? Imagine what the older generations of Great Britian thought of the younger, free thinking people who sailed across the Atlantic in search of religous freedom??? The point is, great things happen, when people learn from the fathers, and their fathers before them, and dare to change things for the better! Of course my generation has things it needs to work on, but we will dare to push the envelope and bring freedom and free thinking to all. And it will be good!
bless our young people | 10:22 a.m. June 29, 2009
God bless our young people.
If it weren't for them, we would see no progress whatsoever.
And this is the way it has been since time began.
Be there, done that | 10:31 a.m. June 29, 2009
To the younger generation, "angry" about what has happened - I simply say "HARD WORK IS THE ANSWER".
Hard work? | 10:48 a.m. June 29, 2009
dont assume this "younger" generation doesnt know what hard work is. Who do you think will be putting roofs on house for the next decade? The young generation. Plus parents lead by example! its called parenting
Knowwhat | 11:09 a.m. June 29, 2009
To anonymous 9:53, It seems a though you are intelligent, but maybe the change in you was not because of education but indoctrination.
in my opinion, | 11:23 a.m. June 29, 2009
the legal voting age should be raised to 40. I'm not kidding.
Anonymous | 11:28 a.m. June 29, 2009
To "in my opinion"

How old are you? I think the legal voting age should be raised to one year older than whatever your age is!
Better government | 11:43 a.m. June 29, 2009
"each new generation votes in more government with more control" states the obvious paranoid of change conservative.

In reality each new generation votes in BETTER government than the one before.

And in the last 8 years that took this country the closest to fascism as we have ever seen - a BETTER government wasn't hard to find.

Why do you think our younger voters turned out in droves last November?
Anonymous | 11:51 a.m. June 29, 2009
To Knowwhat,

Call it what you will. At least I no longer listen blindly and dogmatically to the rantings and ravings of conservative ignoramuses (such as Glenn Beck) who have, unlike myself, NEVER read Smith, Hayek, Condillac, Condorcet, Fichte, Hamilton, Hume, Jefferson, Kant, Madison, Mason, Montesquieu, Paine, Reid, Rousseau, Schiller, Voltaire, Stewart, Webster, Wollstonecraft, Adams, Bastiat, Bentham, Chevalier, Darwin, Douglass, Emerson, Engels, Goethe, Hazlitt, Malthus, Marx, Mill (both), Spencer, Tocqueville, Armitage, Friedman, Nisbet, Novak, Rothbard, and many many others.

Your speculations about my own indoctrination are ignorant. Just what we have come to expect from your kind.
Anonymous | 11:57 a.m. June 29, 2009
Before this degenerated into a political argument, someone claimed that "parents are in control."

How is it that parents are in control if they spend most of their days outside of the home, as do their children? All the while, kids teach each other how to be adults. It's called "socialization." You know, how the social norms of the day get passed on. School, TV, Internet, and video games have far more influence in kids lives than parents.

Why don't parents pass on their values? There isn't time.

For many, this is all very good news. It feels like progression, even though we've seen it before...
Anonymous | 12:06 p.m. June 29, 2009
The modern American conservative movement is so paranoid they even demonize their young.

What a bunch of sickos!
@11:57 | 12:36 p.m. June 29, 2009
Parents can still choose to be in control, whether most decide not to do so is besides the point.

"How is it that parents are in control if they spend most of their days outside of the home, as do their children? All the while, kids teach each other how to be adults. It's called "socialization."" - Now that's sick. Even if most people think it's normal.

Kids don't teach adult behavior - ever read "Lord of the Flies"? Kids need their parents to teach adult behavior, otherwise we end up with the law of the jungle. So parents need to turn off the TV and the video games, and either put their kids in schools with similar values or home school them. I'd much rather socialize my kids myself, passing along my values and ensuring they learn appropriate behavior. They are polite, independent, smart kids who are comfortable with adults and children both.
Anonymous | 1:40 p.m. June 29, 2009
"Kids need their parents to teach adult behavior"
so says this conservative fool.

And what behaviors are they being taught?

Lies about WMD's in order to rush to war?
Bilking people of of zillions of dollars (Madoff)?
Crooked elections (Rembember the chad in Florida?)
Adulterous Politicians from "family-values" parties?
The list goes on and on.

Forget it young people. Ignore the nasty right-wing.
@1:40 | 2:08 p.m. June 29, 2009
Well, in my home, they're taught honesty, hard work, respect, and morality. By my husband and myself. We don't cheat on each other, on our taxes or our employer. We read the news, and discuss what the person did, why it was wrong, and what they should have done. Whether they are on the right or left. We tell the kids that politicians in general are very subject to corruption, especially the longer they are there. We discuss the pros and cons of all of them, right and left.

It amazes me how people on the left can see no wrong with Obama, while those of us on the right were constantly griping about Bush's screwups. And then the left turns around and thinks we're the unthinking ones.

We tell them the truth, as far as we know it, while acknowledging we make mistakes and don't always know everything. We teach correct principles, and hope that they'll learn to govern themselves as adults, while giving them appropriate limits and consequences now.

What part of that conservative approach do you think is wrong?
not kidding anyone | 2:28 p.m. June 29, 2009
"Well, in my home, they're taught..."
Trouble is they are listening to your "conservative values" via Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter" while you are listening to these hypocritical creeps.
What part of the approach is wrong?
Easy.
The in-your-face lies (WMD's in Iraq) and non-stop hypocrisy (GOP "family values" Sanford and his adulterous affair)
The Greatest Generation | 2:33 p.m. June 29, 2009
entered adulthood during World War II and the Korean War. Most of these people are in their 80's and 90's now and should be admired, respected and emulated. They are some of the most amazing, hard working, gifted people that have walked the planet, surviving the Great Depression as small children and World War II as young adults to forge our country into great prosperity. Then you have the baby boomers who rebelled against this generation. Then they gave up their so-called 60's counterculture (most of them) to be the yuppies of the 80's while their teenagers became Generation X.

It has been amusing to see all of the back and forth in these posts and the name calling by "liberals" and "conservatives" alike. I've taught high school for 20 years and there is both much to praise in today's youth as well as much to be concerned. They haven't inherited a world that is all that great, but rather a lot of uncertainty from 9-11 to the economy. Their moral compass is like a wind vane and swirls about. But are they as messed up as their parents? Hardly.
to:Independent Youth | 2:56 p.m. June 29, 2009
You are dumber than a bag of hammers - time will show you that your free thinking will lead society and yourself to slavery as a consequence of the choices that "free thinking" leads to. If it feels good do it makes for a rotten state of affairs. Good luck to you as you do whatever you feel free to do.
Old Fart | 3:45 p.m. June 29, 2009
I remember when we wouldn't let women vote or have a say in business matters - that was wrong.

I remember when we wouldn't eat with blacks or mexicans - that was wrong.

I remember when we forced Japanese citizens to live in prison camps - that was wrong.

I remember when we used to make fun of gay people - that was wrong.

When you start getting "older" you start to think about your life and remember how right the attitudes seemed at the time and how wrong they are today.

I hope we learn from our mistakes and start being nicer to each other.

@not kidding anyone | 3:52 p.m. June 29, 2009
Where did I say I listen to Rush, Coulter or anyone else? Because I don't. Yep, conservative politicians are POLITICIANS first meaning that they almost all of them sleep around and think they are above the law and common decency - and I believe I made it clear that we criticize all of them, right or left.

Guess what - almost every Democrat in Congress also voted to go to war in Iraq. Based on faulty intelligence maybe (which they all saw, just like the White House) - but everybody in our government and European governments believed it - not just the Republicans. And it may not have even been faulty - Saddam did have people in Nigeria looking to buy yellow cake - you might want to look at it, amazing how the MSM stopped reporting on it after that issue was found to have actually occurred. Not to mention the long convoys that went from Iraq to Syria for weeks leading up to the invasion (wonder what exactly was in those trucks), and the scientists who testified that Saddam was just waiting to reinstate the WMD programs once the world got tired of babysitting him.
michaelm | 4:28 p.m. June 29, 2009
Interesting that the so called liberal or progressives on this string of posts spew out hate, inflammatory rhetoric, site singular examples of which democrats have just as many, and throw out mean spirited remarks and name calling. While some of the conservatives do likewise most seem to be forgiving and open to discussions.

So which one is the selfish, arrogant, closed minded group again? It does not seem to be the ones most known for studying both side of issues (research solidly points to conservatives as having a better grasp of both sides) Which one is known to be more mean spirited, name calling, and having the most personal of attacks (here the progressives and liberals win from study after study). Which group has demonstrated the greatest deal of closed minded one sided, and group think by technical measurement (once again it is liberals, so called intellectuals, and progressives that win this from research from it's own organizations and institutions).

Thats okay because a poor, narrow view, selfish and arrogant populous is exactly what progressive leadership requires to stay in power and continue to grow by scaring the uninitiated into hatred and a lack of responsibility.
Change is good and inevitable | 5:52 p.m. June 29, 2009
God bless our young people.
They see the BS that has been force-fed them and refuse to buckle under to it.
Live with this fact, neocons.
james | 6:18 p.m. June 29, 2009
The generation gap is a ongoing endeavor.
When I was a yougster in the 1960's Our elder berated my generation because we were anti establisment. And we advocated civil rights and womens rights.
They also criticized us because we smoked pot and grew our hair long. And our music because it contanied lyrics for drug use and sex.
Now that I am part of the older generation. We berated todays youngers for low morals, racist and misognist and racist lyrics of rap music.
When the young generation mature. They will berate theier youngers. This cycle will continue with all future generations
Punkaman | 11:31 a.m. July 24, 2009
Much has changed since I was a kid the early 50's and drove myself to high school with a rife in a rack in the window of the truck which I left unlocked along with tools and boots which I needed after school to work on the farm. Now days, it seems to me, there is more outstanding youth and sadder hopeless ones. The youth have become polorized. Our generation has done many good things but the wanton disregard of family duties and real love, which is difficult having generally taken over, and I suspect will shortly lead to our society's downfall.
Most of our failure has been moral! Most of our sins have roots in envy. I'm sad for most of the children in the world. Many many mothers have failed to love their children as they should. Almost all of the fathers have also failed their children with bad role models or completely abandoning their fatherly duties altogether! The latter is acute abuse to kids and our society will pay the price of such shocking error and sin.
I pray for my 35 grandchildren and fear for the world which they will live in.

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