(continued)Obama is incrementally using the worst elements from the
two greatest economic catastrophes of the 20th Century: fascism and socialism.
Consequently, we're moving further away from the most successful economic system
in the history of humankind: capitalism. The dumbed-down population,
complacent via the affluence of capitalism, ignorant of history, is instead
‘ga-ga’ over idealism of ‘change.’ Failing to see the
real direction of ‘change,’ it will be a fait accompli by the time
when choice is gone.
Socialism features a planned economy distributing the work and guaranteeing an
equal and just livelihood to everyone. Re-education forces a sense of community
in place of the glorification of power and success of capitalism. In
Italy and Germany fascism merged the self-interests of despotic, single-party
rulers with large corporations for whom war offered big profits. Obama’s direction for the banking and automobile industries sure quacks
like socialism, as Ford looks to become the last free-enterprise American car
company.So there is our truly happy home brought to us by the czars
of the federal government who know just what we need. Enlightened public
servants will do our consumption planning for us, to include telling us when we
are sick, and when we should die.
your comment is silly John. Obama has taken BIG GOVERNMENT in America to an
entirely new level never before seen or even dreamed of ... and there is more to
come. Every democratic government provides basic services to its people at a
reasonable level. Every democratic government also provides for its basic
defense against foreign aggression. Obama however has changed the game and is
attempting to FORCE a government control of every aspect of our lives which is
completely contrary to the beliefs of our founding fathers (see John Adams views
on big government). Obama socialized health care plan is a perfect example which
forces ALL AMERICANS onto government "rationed" health care while eliminating
the healthy competition of private providers. The same thing has happened in
Canada and Great Britain and their advise to America - DON'T DO IT!!!!! Obama is
a socialist with his inspiration admittedly coming from Karl Marx of all
people!!! Which other president can you name in US history who was "inspired" by
the founder of communism???? Fortunately the Obama facade is beginning to fade
nation wide as more and more Americans see this man for the fraud that he is!!
This whole discussion is so silly. How long have we had the public school
system around? I got my property tax bill the other day and I have to pay $2K
to send other people's kids to school. How is that not socialist? So is public
school evil?How about the library? The freeway? Parks? Are all
these "government owned/taxpayer subsidized" properties bad? If so, how?If Obama is a socialist for taxing to redistribute the wealth, then Bush
was a tyrant for taxing to send our money overseas to fight a silly war to
redeem his father's good name.
After reading Erik's comments I am reminded of the monkey with his ears and eyes
covered - hear no evil see no evil. Liberals are finding it more and more
difficult to distance their great Zeus teleprompter king from socialism. Obama
is MOST CERTAINLY a socialist Erik - sorry man. Obama was inspired by the
writings of Karl Marx (from Obama's biography). You never read of Obama being
influenced by Washington or Madison - just Marx. Obama's understanding of
American history is sadly lacking as evidence from many of his statements over
the past several months and it seems like he carries a BIG chip on his shoulder
regarding what he does know of our history and has made it his personal mission
to change America into what he deems to be a more reasonable, socialist state.
Obama is all about BIG GOVERNMENT and having government be in total control of
every aspect of our lives from health care to the banking industry. Our founders
had the exact OPPOSITE view of democracy (see John Adams) and viewed big
government as the enemy to freedom. Finally, the Obama facade is beginning to
fade nation wide - thankfully!!!
Socialism and Communism take away our freedoms. They maybe different but they
accomplish the same goal.
exactly. that's what i said. "economy was bad and he talked the sweet talk"
regardless of who's fault it is. you can blame obama for the economy just as
much as bush because not only were the dems in control of both houses of
congress when this mess started, but obama was serving in the senate. the point
is, he won because he capitalized on the economy.
Lot's of emotion out there. How about some well-reasoned arguments? Typical
The government is doing a poor job in handling Medicare, so what does Obama
intend to do? Create a national healthcare system that will mimic medicare and
cost individuals enough to make the poor more poor but with equally poor medical
care while the wealthy, likely including Obama, will maintain private healthcare
superior to the government run program. Canada has a two tiered program in
which a person can wait 8 months for an mri or use private coverage and receive
the same mri in 2 days. When I got sick with strep in Germany, I used my
cousin's private doctor for immediate treatment.
Obama "forced no auto manufacturer to take the bailout" is like stating "nobody
forced the starving in Africa to take the rice." We are moving TOWARDS more
government controlled businesses under Obama. And that is defined by what
Obama is NOT a Marxist. However, he is unquestionably a
Can't you come up with anything other than empty fallacies to support your
position? Name-calling is childish and adds nothing to the discussion.
Obama is not Marxist--he is a fascist. What other political system
allows publice ownership of business yet the government retains control of their
actions....??Things that make you go....
Maybe it is too late for Neocons to save the country. The Paleolibs counted
'til they won in Minnesota, just like in Washington State four years ago.That's the new Paleolib/ACORN agenda -- keep counting 'til Democrats
win.Kinda reminds me of Iran.
@Marxist=socialist, let me understand, Obama is a Marxist because he confiscates
peoples money. Are you alluding to taxation? So you are saying Republicans do
not tax and spend, are you sure you want to go down that road? Conservatives
confiscated my $$ for the last 8 years, or did I miss the tax loop holes?"From each according to their ability and to each according to their
need", funny u use a quote that sounds just like King Ben in Mosiah. (like many
LDS you might not live as KB suggested)Last time I checked it was a
Communist China that was buying our debt to bail out bad judgment by the Noble
Capitalist who sold our country for profit.I am sure in your
Capitalist country we would be so well off. Maybe we should just shut down
Public Schools, Public Colleges, Public Libraries, Public Highways, Public
Parks, Public everything else and return to a country where there is no middle
class just rich and poor.The end result of un checked capitalism is
slave type labor for sheer Profit! Where do you think calls for social justice
"the reason President Obama won is because the last administration nearly drove
our economy and democracy into the ground.People finally woke
up."i fail to see the logic of that argument. the last adminstration was
over. no matter who won, the last administration would still be over. you keep
blaming bush for obama's victory but that is not the fact. his campaign was
basicly "vote for me and the rich will lose their money and i will give it to
you." is there really still doubt that this is what happened? there is other
politically logical explination.
President Obama's mantra of taxing "the rich" to fund his government programs
sounds an awful lot like Robin Hood: robbing the rich to give to the poor.Unfortunately for Messrs. Hood and Obama, capitalism is based on the
idea of equal opportunity for all, as opposed to Marxism/communism/socialism,
which is based on the idea of equal results for all.
The depth and breadth of people's ignorance and lack of understanding never
ceases to amaze me. As long as the majority insists on voting
Republican or Democrat, nothing will change."Insanity: doing the
same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein
To Ha!!!!!I am not JEM, nor did I grow up in East Germany, but I
know enough about it to say, that your precious life under Barack Obama is so
much better compared to that of former East Germans.Here are some
examples:- The "Planwirtschaft" (planned economy) meant that econmy
was heavily regulated by the government in such a way, that government decided
what was produced and how much of it was to be produced.- Freedom of
choice concerning education and career was limited by government. (Today in
America it is limited through poverty)- Critics of the system were
imprisoned or shot- People who wanted to leave the country were
imprisoned or shot- The Stasi was a secret police that kept a
watchful eye on your every move. Your neighbor could have been a Stasi agent,
ready to betray you to the government if you were not in line.Those
among other things make America a free, not socialistic country, even under
Barack Obama. Reaching out to less fortunate is a good thing.
@Marxist=socialist (previous page) and in general--The problem with
your statement is, that most poor people are NOT lazy, irresponsible or
ineffective. They are poor, because they grew up in less fortunate
circumstances. Further, you point out the difference between Obama and
communists in your very own statement: The fact, that nobody is supposed to
advance in communism, only the leading elite.It is a puzzle, how
especially members of the church resent the idea of giving to the less
fortunate. Isn't that what Christ has taught? Joseph Smith's idea of living
together was actually very close to socialism--The united order. Like you say,
it was very much about "From each according to their ability and to each
according to their need".Social medicine e.g. has nothing whatsoever
to do with socialsim or communism. It is a way of taking care of our brothers
The near-nationalization of banks, the take over of GM and handing it over to
the unions, the current efforts to take over health care, the ridiculous power
grab that is cap and tax, trying to "spread the wealth around." Oh yeah, that's
capitalism in action.The writer obviously doesn't know his
definitions either, because Fuhrer Obama is proceeding down the same path as
Castro, Chavez and his other marxist buddies. He is doing it with greater
stealth and more lies, but he is doing it all the same.
. . . a marxist socialist. OK. It's not illegal. So why does he, and why do
Paleolibs spend so much time running and hiding from the appelation? If they
think to fool us Neocons [I love that term, by the way, it makes me sound as
hip as Carl Rove, and maybe, just a little dangerous!], it won't work.Maybe it will work on the obliviots, though.Note that all
presidents since FDR have foolishly adopted one or more socialist principles.
Call it "New Deal," or "New Frontier," or "War on Poverty," or even
"Compassionate Conservative." All amount to financing handouts for a coveted
constituency by stealing from others.That's what socialists do
best.And that's precisely what the Obama crowd intends to do --
finance one or another scheme calculated to maintain allegiance of some
constituency by stealing from another.It's called politics. And it
stinks. Always has. Always will.All we can do is resist as best we
can and pray for an end to politics.
Nobody cares about what the modern American conservative movement is up to
trying to sway American voters (except for perhaps Utah or Idaho).I
thought EVERYBODY knew that by now.
I don't care if you call Obama's policies Marxist or socialist. Whatever they
are, they are destroying our economy and our freedom and forcing everyone onto
the government welfare plantation.I hope Obama fails!
I try hard to find something good to say about the modern American conservative
movement as displayed by the postings above - but ...
Clearly you only read and get your information from one source,Isn't
that the definition of biased, indoctrinated, etc?And NOT well
rounded?Perhaps you should do a little self-examination, and a some
reading and more listening.
Reading some of the above postings from some obviously unhappy conservatives
(aren't they all?)it must truly be dark times for these sad and lonely
people (what would you expect when they force-feed themselves on Rush O'Hannity
24/7?)And they can't understand that even though these are tough economic
times, the majority of America is full of hope and joy and rapidly leaving them
behind in the dust.
Those claming that Obama isn't a Marxist OK, until he forcable begins
supression, I'll stipulate.Those claming he isn't a socialist, like
JEM, define it for me sweetheart, what is a the defenition of socialist? You
claim we don't understand what it means. You claim that you're from a socialist
country or that you were born there. How old were you when you came here? How
long did you live there? How much did you understand in your youth? When did
you live in East Germany? A lot depends on when you lived there
whether you were living under socialism, fascism, or communism. You might want
to be sure of the time before you answer. Might I suggest reading a few books
to enlighten your mind as to your hero's socialistic tendencies.-Road To
Serfdom-Who Killed the Constitution-Liberty and Tyranny-A
Politically Incorrect Guide to the ConsitutionOr might you be affraid of
truth like your secular progressive group. Do you believe the constitution
needs to be interprated or ammended? Answer that question if you dare but then
you true colors will be shown.
Anonymous | 1:42 p.m.It's NEVER "Too Late". There's always 2010 and
2012. That's the beauty of our system of government. People like YOU can't
just say, "It's over now, we won the election so we're taking over and running
ruoughshod crushing anyone who gets in our way". Because people and parties who
rule like that don't last long in American politics.Keep up your
haughty high-and-mighty attitude and you will have plenty of crow to eat in
2010.The boasting of the Obama-ites has resulted in very high
expectations of this Congress and President. If they don't deliver, the cost
could be quite dramatic in the comming years.I'm just sayin... just
beating your chest because you won the election, but then not achieving any
positive results before the next election... is usually a recipe for disaster.
The suggestion that conservatives are treasonous for wanting Fuhrer Obama to
fail in remaking this country into a fascist dictatorship and selling our
national sovereignty to China through debt is laughable. The stench of liberal
hypocrisy overpowers anything you are trying to say, as RedShirt aptly shows.
Tax the poor to benefit wealthy | 1:15 p.m. My point wasn't nearly
as complex as you made it out to be. It's simple...1. Taxes are
necessary and needed.2. It doesn't matter if I like the way they are
used or not. That's NOT the criteria for them being considered "Redistribution
of wealth" or not. When the government takes income from one person to give it
to another... THAT'S redistribution of wealth (what Obama proudly proclaimed was
going to be his policy if elected).Bottom line... I'm not an
anti-tax kinda guy. Just an anti-redistribution of wealth kinda guy.I don't mind funding the government and it's critical programs. But I am
against the Obama proposal to (as he put it on the campaign trail), "Take the
income from some people and spread it around". That's NOT government's job.
Most government welfare goes to private corporations.
It's too late neocons.You've nastiness is there each and every day and all
one as to do is tune is to Rush O'Hannity to see why this great country has
rejected the "all about me" conservative values.
To "conservatives are treasonous | 11:36 a.m." let me remind you of what
liberals were saying in Aug 2006. Fox News did a poll where they asked
"Regardless of how you voted in the presidential election, would you say you
want President Bush to succeed or not?"51% of those that identified
themselves are Democrats said they wanted Bush to fail. So, if saying you want
the President to fail is treason, you better round up 51% of the Democrat party.
Under free mkt economy the rich get richer and the poor get less poor......Under Obama...the govt just gets more of the money while rich get poorer
and poor go hungry. Unemployment at 9%+ and rising to 10...Nice JOB libs...try blaming that on Bush in 2012!Obama new slogan
"following in the footsteps of jimmy cart
Re: @ "Bleeding Heart Liberal"Having minimal taxes to fund
public/government services and obligations... is a necessary thing."In other words. Having taxes for those things that you want and which will
benefit you is a necessary thing but if taxes are used for anything that does
not benefit you then it isn't a good thing."But when you go on the
campaign trail and state clearly that your goal is to take the money the rich,
who don't really need (or deserve it) and "Spread it around to the little
people"... THEN you're talking "Redistribution of wealth"."You mean
like paying for a road to a business that I never go to so that they can make
money and your fat and ugly family can shop there?"There's a
difference. It's in the intent."Your intent is to take my money and
use it for the benefit of your family but object when any of your money is used
for anything else.The difference seems to be: "everything I want I
get but if I don't want it then you can't have it. You will pay for me to make a
We tried contracted our military in Iraq. We have contractors who can't account
for billions to show for it.The largest redistribution of wealth in
American history started with Reagan. Money was redistributed from the middle
class to the wealthy. In Amer 70% of the wealthy got their money not from work
or being inventive, they got a parental welfare check.
"Bleeding Heart Liberal | 12:44 p.m."A graduated income tax is not
necessarily redistribution of wealth. Taxes are a necessary evil. Having
minimal taxes to fund public/government services and obligations... is a
necessary thing. But when you go on the campaign trail and state clearly that
your goal is to take the money the rich, who don't really need (or deserve it)
and "Spread it around to the little people"... THEN you're talking
"Redistribution of wealth".There's a difference. It's in the
If Obama is a socialist because he believes in fiscal policies that redistribute
wealth, then so were Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Dwight
Eisenhower, and a whole host of other conservative politician that said nothing
about the graduated income tax. That tax is the principal method for
"redistributing" wealth (along with the the estate tax (death tax for you right
wing idealogs).If you truly hate "socialism" then I suggest you
start a movement to privatize all existing "socialist" elements in the country.
These include, Police and Fire departments, Public Schools, Public lands
including national parks, the US Military establisment, Public tax supported
libraries, all public hospitals, including those who treat the military and
military veterans.Do we have "creaping" socialism in this country"
Get a clue right wingers, we are already a nasty, nasty, socialist country. And,
I for one wish we were just a little more nasty so that 46 million people could
have access to basic medical care, including innocent small children who can't
help that they were born to parents with limited financial means. Bleeding
heart liberal? Yes and darn proud of it!
I'm a liberal, but if 11:50 a.m. commentor is right - WHERE IS MY MONEY?!
People are liberal by nature.Hatred is a learned response fostered
by the no-change conservatives in power.
Re:conservatives/treasonous; Spoken like a true Marxist/Fascist!
The writer apparently doesn't know the meaning of the words either.These comments board are worthless because they are dominated by paid liberal
Conservatives and their movement want the president of the United States of
America to fail. It's all they talk about and are trying everything thing they
can in their daily propaganda to do so.They make no bones about it and
preach their revolution to each other every day.This is clearly treason
and treason is against the Constitution.
RedShirt | 9:27 a.m.You got my point exactly.I don't
think we are a city-of-Enoch type society. And we are NOT being lead by the
savior nor even a prophet who is lead by someone who is perfect.Some
may disagree, but Obama is NOT the savior nor is he perfected. If we tried
Communism or it's little sister "Socialism" at this point in America... It would
fail miserably. We want control of our own lives. People don't trust the
government enough (yet) to turn over control of their lives to them (I hope).
To "conservatives go too far. | 10:25 a.m. " it is mroe than just the last 8
years of government that are to blame. Conservatives haven't trusted government
to do the right thing since before 1776. It was because of the power of the
Brittish empire that we had the Articles of Confederation until June 21, 1788
when the Constitution was established. The US was looking for the minimal
amount of government required to maintain order.FYI, it was because
of the Brittish government that the Declaration of Independance was written and
we went to war.
a communist or socialist. Do you know what these words mean? Do you actually
know what a communist is? Have you ever studied Karl Marx? Or are you throwing
out a buzz word because Sean Hannity told you too?
You said, "the only reason he won the election was because the economy was bad
and he talked the sweet talk."No the reason President Obama won is
because the last administration nearly drove our economy and democracy into the
ground.People finally woke up.
REally? you bring it down to the Nazi factor with pathetic evidence. Give me a
break. Maybe get out of the retirement home once in a while and see whats
really going on.
re: Oh Please | 10:10 a.m. June 29, 2009 As a Marxist of the Groucho
persuasion and Libertarian, you take that back.
Obama forced NO auto manufacturer to take government loans ("bailout money").
None. He forced NO company CEOs to resign. Not a single one. Obama never forced
anyone at any time to take government bailout money. Those companies that CHOSE
to take that money did so of their own accord. Obama doesn't have the power or
authority to do the things you radical conservative idiots accuse him of
doing!Until you Glenn-Beck roadies get a clue and educate
yourselves, you will continue to blabber nonsense and lies to each other while
the world moves on without you. Move to your own private Idaho and let the rest
of us actually do something of value!
I agree, he's not a Marxist. But he is a Facist/Socialist.
Sir:No, the Armed Forces Retirement Home, which houses military
retirees and disabled war veterans, is NOT funded by tax payers.I
urge you to do an Internet search for "ARMED FORCES RETIREMENT HOME", or for,
"UNITED STATES SOLDIERS' AND AIRMEN'S HOME" (its previous name).The
Soldiers' Home was founded by a Congressional trust fund, using ransom money
Mexico City paid to General Winfield Scott during the Mexican War to keep from
sacking and looting the conquered city, a common practice at that time.Since then, a small deduction has been taken from each soldier's monthly pay
to support the Home, plus all fines and forfeitures resulting from
courts-martial or non-judicial punishment also goes to support the Home.The Naval Home was taxpayer supported, but when they were combined with
the Soldiers' Home, that ended, and sailors and marines now contribute from
their monthly pay, also.Medical care is provided by Walter Reed Army
Medical Center.We have our own national cemetery, administered by
Arlington National Cemetery.Thank you.John Robert
MallerneeArmed Forces Retirement HomeWashington, D.C. 20011-8400
Marxist? Probably!!Jobs in america? over 50% are Govt Jobs with
some 40% Private...Under Reagan....Under 38% were Govt Jobs with
over 60% Private...Communism is coming...unless we vote out the
"...conservatives have little faith in the government" says neocon RedShirt.Can't say I blame him.That last 8 years of neocon governing
and going too far has almost ruined this fine country.
looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck... it may just be a
Most of the Obama haters on this thread are Marxists. Groucho Marxists.
But at least know what your talking about. Obama isn't a Marxist. Read the his
books about economics. What obama is doing is nothing like marxism or socialism.
You might not like him. But if you know what you talking about people might
actually listen to what you are saying. But saying he is a socialist or a
communist when less that 1% of our industry is under government control is
To "Anonymous | 9:33 a.m." conservatives have full faith in the American people
to do the right thing. However, conservatives have little faith in the
government to get things fixed correctly or without creating even more problems.
@ Capitalism = Freedom? | 6:36 a.m. June 29, 2009Capitalism is a
natural result of freedom.The truth is more that large corporations
use government to block competition.Your example of the auto
industry is flawed.The technology is not yet viable for large scale use.
That is why Electric/Hydrogen cars have failed. Everyone wants to see some
conspiracy ... but the truth is that the cars cost too much and don't drive far
enough for most consumers to want them yet. Even the Hybrid value
proposition is iffy.I think we will eventually get there. But it is
not quite ready.Also if we suddenly all switched to electric
vehicles tomorrow ... we would have shortages of electricity. The energy has to
be created somewhere and infrastructure needs to be created.
I like what RSP said, Individual responsibility was the deal in this country
until FDR came along. YOU, YOUR FAMILY and your Friends helped each other and
the needy! Someone like me who was on disability helped out in ways they could!
They farmed some, they babysat, cooked, cleaned, took care of the kids, worked
at home the best they could, did what they could and it worked out. People
looked out for one another! Now, "Get Disability, Then you can manage". Family
goes on their merry way! It's called Spoiled selfish and irresponsible! Leave it
to the government! I'd rather have lived in the 30's times before Social
Security with the medical advancements we have now! I would be in better shape
than I am now! My family would be closer (Extended), and life would be better
for them! Probably better for me too! This has made me think, FDR was a good
president, but frankly, he started this whole Socialist Thing! It has made a
good thing in the beginning grow to a horrible monster which is now destroying
our country! I love this nation, but at the same time I weep for her!
Karl Marx wasn't a "Criminal" for his ideals of "Government"? Obama is NOT A
COMMUNIST, He IS HOWEVER A SOCIALIST! He wants to "Transfer Wealth" from the
rich to "Spread The Wealth" among everyone, A SOCIALIST IDEAL! He wants to have
the Government Run Health Care: Universal Coverage furnished by GOVERNMENT IS
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE! General Motors is run by the Government on it's board of
directors, taking away PRIVATE INDUSTRY and putting it in the hands of
Government: That is SOCIALIZING BUSINESS IN AMERICA! AIG and other banks being
forced to follow ORDERS and Have Government Own Stock and Have Say In Policy is
Taking Partial Control of Banks, and Partial Control of ALL BANKS is CONTROL OF
BANKS or SOCIALIZING THE BANKING SYSTEM! I am sorry but OBAMA IS A MARXIST! He
won't admit it because it's a "Swear Word" in American Mainstream, but
everything he is trying to do is "MARXIST" and has "Marxist" Ideals! Barack
Obama is in no unwavering terms a "MARXIST"! That is not calling him a criminal,
it is just labeling his politics and his agenda. It's fair and balanced opinion
based on his actions! He's Marxist!
You don't have to pass an intelligence test to be a Fox News watcher or to
listen to talk radio. These people love to name call. The nastier sounding the
name, the better.Obama made his wealth in the free market selling
books.One day he's a socialist. Then a Marxist and even a fascist.
Like Palin, this speaks volumes about conservatives and they aren't educated
enough to see the message they are transmitting.In, eight grade, I
was taught the socialism is government control of business. Fascism is business
controlling government.The Nazi's used slave labor as workers in
Mercedes plants. Marx made people the workers for the state. The
American government nationalized industry during the war. Did it remain
nationalized? No. Why? Because capitalism is in American's DNA.It's
conservatives who don't have faith in the American people. What is a nation?
To "Nothing wrong with Marxism | 8:48 a.m." assuming you believe in the Bible,
there is one instance where a population was able to willingly share everything.
If you look up the story of the City of Enoch, they were able to share the
wealth and eliminate poverty. THe trick was that they were led by a prophet,
not elected officials. They were led by God, through a prophet.
Thanks for writing, Erik, but your rationality and common sense are lost on a
crowd like this one. The typical DN reader is the perfect example of Stephen
Mr.Mallernee, do you pay for your stay at the Armed Forces retirement home or
does our National Socialist government?
here we go again. don't you dems just love throwing that argument here in utah?
the united order is a perfect society in which one chooses to live in and is
governed by god. if there was such a thing as perfect human beings then maybe we
can talk mrxist, but we don't. obama is far from perfect, and despite you
defense of your "savior" president, the majorty of america does not support
marxism, even the majority of those who voted for obama. i agree completly with
Nothing wrong with Marxism | 8:48 a.m. June 29, 2009 above. obama is a marxist
and the only reason he won the election was because the economy was bad and he
talked the sweet talk. if he had said he was a marxist, he wouldn't have come
anywhere near the white house.
There's nothing wrong with Marxism. It's just another economic theory. It
would work too, if implemented perfectly and if the people in that society were
perfect, selfless and only cared about the common good and not their own
familie's welfare.Problem is... there hasn't been a population yet
in the world that can live it perfectly. Somebody (usually in the government)
always thinks their family deserves more than another family and they accquire
it and then other people covet what he has and want it for their family, so
unrest and displeasure starts and the black market grows until the mafia
controls the goods and services people want and what the government dols out to
the people is considered shody and second-class and the system breaks down.
People get tired of working harder in the hopes of improving their familie's
condition, just to realise that their family only benefits from that extra work
if they can find a dishonest way to hide that income from the government.Check his background Obama_fans! He was raised by guys who embraced the
marxist theory (his college advisors). Read Obama's writings. Check his
Tell me again why the Danes rate as the happiest people in the world?
To "Capitalism = Freedom? | 6:36 a.m." yes, capitalism does equal freedom. If
the government decides that it will produce all automobiles in the US. Do you
have a choice? How about if the government takes over health insurance and
taxes you for your insurance preminums, do you have a choice to be covered by
health insurance any more? If the government takes over all banking
institutions and mandates interest rates and minimum qualifications for loans,
is there any choice left to make?What you are forgetting is that
freedom requires that you have choices. Freedom is lost once you eliminate
choices.If, as you say, "OLIGOPOLY reduced our freedom and hurt
consumers." What will happen when we have a government mandated/supported/owned
Part of the problem is that few know who Marx was. Marx was a philosophy PhD of
the continent who was an expat in Britain for most of his life. He believed he
solved the riddle of capitalist accumulation with his theory of surplus value
which was largely based on Ricardo's labor theory of value. He attempted to
answer the question - in a system which mostly sees the exchange of equilavents,
from whence come profits? His answer? Surplus value. To Marx human labor is
everything. Labor is that unique commodity which can create more value than is
necessary to sustain it. This excess is surplus value which is the source of
profits and capital. He anticpated the efficiency of capitalism.Marx was in fact a western economist, the last of the classical economists.
To understand Marx one must live in a capitalist system. The Chinese Communists
and the Soviet economists understood Marx not at all.Marx had
nothing directly to do with either the 1917 revolution in Russia or the rise of
Mao in China. Marx is still worth study because he deals upfront
with the relationship of labor with capital.
"Obama believes he is justified in confiscating money from one person and
redistributing it to someone else= what Marxists and socialists do!"What do you think taxes in any form are? Taxes take money from people and use
it for other purposes. So if that's what makes Obama a marxist and socialist,
then all of our presidents have been socialists and we've been a socialist
country for a long, long time.
"Obama is a corporatist. He was raised by communists and fed nothing but
Communism."That's easily the silliest thing I've read in the paper
today.Are you saying that Harvard Law School teaches its students
"nothing but Communism?"
You're right. The far-right has also hijacked and corrupted the word
"conservative" to mean the views held by radical far-right authoritarian
extremists. True conservatives are now considered to be moderates. Sad.
To "Maxist=socialist", if they are the same, throw in United Order as well. My,
the nut cases are out early today....
Whomever controls the language - controls the world.The far-right
has made large enrodes by denigrating the words "liberal" and "socialism" for
the last 30 years, but America is wise to them today as we all witnessed in the
elections of 2006 and 2008.
Socialism is the step between freedom and communism. Corporatism is the step
between freedom and fascism. Obama is a corporatist. He was raised by communists
and fed nothing but Communism. His books reek of his love of communism read
them. Obama is a corporatist which puts us on the road to fascism. Fascism is
just the right fork of totalitarianism that is communism and fascism.Just
because one former East German thinks that he is not a communist does not make
it so the Chinese government knows that he is a communist and so do thinking
The underlying belief is that somehow capitalism equals freedom of choice, but
the problem is that the natural outcome of free markets and capitalism is that
it brings about consolidation and oligopolies that dominate key industries.
With few massive companies dominating such industries, it naturally brings about
reduced competition, reduced choice for consumers, and reduced pressure to
reduce prices. Think of so many industries that fit this model -- from
automobiles to energy to healthcare to retailing. The consequence
is that consumers don't have the freedom to get the products and services that
want -- for example, consumers have been demanding an alternative to oil for
decades, but the auto industry refused to deliver. When it did in the mid-1990s
(GM's EV1 electric plug in), the industry lobbied to kill regulations requiring
it and took it off the market just before oil prices skyrocketed at plug-ins
would have reduced our dependence on Iran and other oil dictatorships. Again,
OLIGOPOLY reduced our freedom and hurt consumers.The bottomline is
that government MUST step in to bring about solutions that the free market and
capitalism CAN'T deliver due to oligopoly.
The first poster is correct - it is not a crime to be a Marxist. I think the
millions of people who died around the world at the hands of Communists in
China, Russia, Cambodia and elsewhere might think it should be a crime to be a
follower of the teachings of Karl Marx. Regardless of what we call Barack
Obama it is apparent that the notion of individual responsibility that has been
the norm in this Country (at least until FDR came along) doesn't sit well with
Barack. I just call him a big-government statist who thinks the Federal Govt
should micromanage the economy and control the most important aspects of the
economy. He's also an admitted "wealth redistributionist"
Greetings:I think the administration of Barack Hussein Obama is more
akin to the National Socialism of the Third Reich.The same can be
said for previous administrations, whether Republican or Democrat, for they are
all equally guilty of betrayal.Under National Socialism, the
government exercises total control over all private industry, finance, and
commerce.Isn't that what we have now, and have had for some time
past?Let's look at some other comparisons to the Third Reich:Deciding who is worthy to live, and who must die, i.e., abortion and
euthanasia.Laws mandating racial preferences and racial quotas.Thought control, manipulated and enforced by legislating "hate speech",
"hate crimes", "politically correct" speech, and revisionist history.And, of course, gun control.What if those six million Jews had
been armed?So, knowing this, what do WE do?If it's not
too late, we might begin by no longer voting for Republican or Democrat
candidates.We should also carefully study the Holy Bible, the
Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution of the United States.Arm yourselves, and pray.Thank you.John Robert
MallerneeArmed Forces Retirement HomeWashington, D.C. 20011-8400
I think most people think of a Marxist, as a communist and a socialist as
someone within the capitalist system who wants to give to those who have not
earned a benefit something paid for by those who have worked hard to get
something.In those terms Obama was trained by Marxist thinking
professor and is now taking us deep down the road to socialism., through his
spend and spend and spend and spend and spend philosophy. He thinks throwing
money at a problem will solve it. I can give a person a fish or teach them to
fish and they they can feed themselves in the future. At what point does he not
understand the economy?
Obama is both a Marxist and a socialist because they are the same thing only
perhaps in differing degrees. Obama believes he is justified in confiscating
money from one person and redistributing it to someone else= what Marxists and
socialists do! "From each according to their ability and to each according to
their need". There are several problems with that idea however!#1: It
punishes achievement, innovation,investment, hard work and self control and
rewards inefficiency, lazyness, and the irresponsible. When those riding in the
entitlemen wagon out number those who are trying to pulling the wagon, the whole
system collapes,as it always has and always will.America is close to that
collape now and no "bailout" will help!Another problem with Marxism and
socialism is that who decides who gets what and who loses the efforts of their
work? Socialism and Marxism always produces dictators who enforce the
redistribution with tanks and machine guns. The cost of socialism and Marxism is
freedom and prosperity! The results are poverty, suffering and death. No thank
you Karl Marx, you can keep your socialist "utopia". We saw it in USSR, Cuba,
China and everywhere else people bought into your lies!
Of course President Obama is neither a Marxist nor a socialist. Anyone who
would claim that he is obviously doesn't know the meaning of the words. Some
basic education seems to be in order. I was born and raised in a
socialist country, East Germany and actually laughed to read those terms used to
describe the current US president. By the way, being either a
Marxist or a socialist is not a crime. Neither is being a capitalist.