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Utah Jazz: Up next is free agent frenzy
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Anonymous | 12:55 a.m. June 27, 2009
The owners should pay whatever the players demand. There is so much money in
the NBA and people actually believe when the owners cry wolf and say they are
going broke. What NBA team has ever gone broke. Even the Jazz can afford to
resign all these guys. The "luxury tax" is a huge smoke screen. Look
it up, owning an NBA team is an easy way to become super rich (assuming you can
get your hands on one). Just fork over the cash so we can have a championship
team for once.
There really is only one bidder | 1:17 a.m. June 27, 2009
and that is DET. They are looking for character and may bid on Millsap but it
ties up money for at least 10 days. They could also go for Lee/others.
If Okur opts the Jazz can remake the entire team. He will not get 9 Mill on the open market. Who is going to bid? The Jazz should bid on Lee. They would be no worse off. NY will let Lee go if he is at more than 7 Mill. They are saving cap for 2010 and may also pick up Rubio this season. They have Hill at the moment to replace Lee.
Unless DET bids on him Millsap will not get more than the mid level exemption. Memphis is saving cash. OKC wants Blake Griffin. They will try to get him from the Clips who are always in some kind of trouble (sooner or later).
Okur's agent is bluffing. If the Jazz over pay, that tells you they have learned nothing and will never be champions. This economy is bad and will stay bad. The 2010 salaries will be depressed for everyone except the extreme elite players.
Save cash and replace whoever needs to be replaced.
If Okur opts the Jazz can remake the entire team. He will not get 9 Mill on the open market. Who is going to bid? The Jazz should bid on Lee. They would be no worse off. NY will let Lee go if he is at more than 7 Mill. They are saving cap for 2010 and may also pick up Rubio this season. They have Hill at the moment to replace Lee.
Unless DET bids on him Millsap will not get more than the mid level exemption. Memphis is saving cash. OKC wants Blake Griffin. They will try to get him from the Clips who are always in some kind of trouble (sooner or later).
Okur's agent is bluffing. If the Jazz over pay, that tells you they have learned nothing and will never be champions. This economy is bad and will stay bad. The 2010 salaries will be depressed for everyone except the extreme elite players.
Save cash and replace whoever needs to be replaced.
The Jazz have a rare | 1:30 a.m. June 27, 2009
opportunity to totally remake this team into a contender that plays D and wins
Championships. I like Okur. He works hard.
However, the Okur/Boozer experiment will never beat LA or SA. If Okur opts jump on the chance to remake the team.
Koufos and Suton can play C if necessary for a year. Suton shoots better than Okur (go watch his tapes). He also tries to play D.
Even if it takes 2 years to get all of the parts in place,remake the team. The economy will be bad in 2010. The market will be soft for everyone except James, Howard etc.
If Jazz management explain that they are trying to create a championship team the fans will support that for 2 years if the right players are replaced.
Sloan may not be coaching in 2 years. Start rebuilding for a new system that is not outdated. Get some players who will defend and can shoot.
The Jazz have not chance of beating LA or SA without major changes.
If Boozer opts then grab Lee. Trade Lee if he will not play D (NY does not play D).
The Jazz have to lower salary and get better.
However, the Okur/Boozer experiment will never beat LA or SA. If Okur opts jump on the chance to remake the team.
Koufos and Suton can play C if necessary for a year. Suton shoots better than Okur (go watch his tapes). He also tries to play D.
Even if it takes 2 years to get all of the parts in place,remake the team. The economy will be bad in 2010. The market will be soft for everyone except James, Howard etc.
If Jazz management explain that they are trying to create a championship team the fans will support that for 2 years if the right players are replaced.
Sloan may not be coaching in 2 years. Start rebuilding for a new system that is not outdated. Get some players who will defend and can shoot.
The Jazz have not chance of beating LA or SA without major changes.
If Boozer opts then grab Lee. Trade Lee if he will not play D (NY does not play D).
The Jazz have to lower salary and get better.
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The Jazz have a fan base | 1:56 a.m. June 27, 2009
that will support creating a championship team over 2 years. Over the next 2
years the elite teams will get stronger (LA, SA, BOS, HOU, POR, CLE, ORL, DAL)
the financially troubled teams will get weaker (MIL, MEM, PHO etc).
This is the perfect time to remake the Jazz into a team into a contender that can live under the lux tax.
Right now DET is the only team who can bid on Millsap, Okur and Boozer and they will not bid on more than one and may not bid on any. They have lots of options and are rebuilding this year. That is Smart as it will be harder to rebuild next year (competition). SA rebuilt this year.
The Jazz need to learn from DET and SA. Rebuild now and also drop costs at the same time. Don't make the same mistake of over paying players who can't win championships!
Please show us you are not a dumb organization that can't learn from it's past mistakes.
The Jazz have the opportunity to become an elite team. Jump on it. Show the fans you are serious about winning, not just limping into the playoffs.
This is the perfect time to remake the Jazz into a team into a contender that can live under the lux tax.
Right now DET is the only team who can bid on Millsap, Okur and Boozer and they will not bid on more than one and may not bid on any. They have lots of options and are rebuilding this year. That is Smart as it will be harder to rebuild next year (competition). SA rebuilt this year.
The Jazz need to learn from DET and SA. Rebuild now and also drop costs at the same time. Don't make the same mistake of over paying players who can't win championships!
Please show us you are not a dumb organization that can't learn from it's past mistakes.
The Jazz have the opportunity to become an elite team. Jump on it. Show the fans you are serious about winning, not just limping into the playoffs.
todd from santa ana | 2:30 a.m. June 27, 2009
Wow, maybe Okur does leave. If so, the Jazz can survive. We have 3 centers
that can rotate time, maybe bring a better defensive element, if they can get to
speed on help defense, good. Fez at times has shown an ability to battle and
play one on one long as no silly fouls. I hear Suton is passable defensively.
Okur can score but goes long periods often not scoring. This will free up money
that will help maybe picking up another off guard perhaps or small forward. It
would help if more opt out. Korver I have a feeling may get some offers, will
see.
Whatever brings defensive mind set to this team because there is enough offense here to win.,
The jazz could be better in the long run
Whatever brings defensive mind set to this team because there is enough offense here to win.,
The jazz could be better in the long run
Chuck Nunn | 2:32 a.m. June 27, 2009
Paul Millsap stepped up big this past season, but I'm not sure he's
quite at the $10M per year level at this point in his career. One thing I have
no question about is that the Jazz should match to keep him, and I think they
will.
Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!
Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!
Name | 4:56 a.m. June 27, 2009
13 million in the first year and going up? Same level as many time all-star
Elton Brand? Even though Millsap hasn't even been a starter in the NBA for
a full season? Wow! Someone seems to have pretty irrational expectations.
Hopefully it is only the agent and not the player. Can't believe the Jazz
or anyone else will go that high in this economy.
doc | 5:13 a.m. June 27, 2009
As much as I like Millsap, he isn't worth what Elton Brand got from Philly.
He is not a true scorer!! I'd give him between 8 and 9 million a year.
Since 2010 is shaping up to be a great year for both the draft and free agents, it might just be a good idea to dump players and salaries since the Jazz could end up with 2 lottery picks.
Keep D-Will and let all the free agents go because even if the Jazz kept everyone, they are not beating the Lakers with the players they have now, and really, that is the goal, to reach the Finals: to accomplish that, the Jazz will have to go through L.A.
With the right additions in a talent rich draft and free agent class, the Jazz can completely rebuild the team in one year as did the Spurs when they drafted Tim Duncan.
Since 2010 is shaping up to be a great year for both the draft and free agents, it might just be a good idea to dump players and salaries since the Jazz could end up with 2 lottery picks.
Keep D-Will and let all the free agents go because even if the Jazz kept everyone, they are not beating the Lakers with the players they have now, and really, that is the goal, to reach the Finals: to accomplish that, the Jazz will have to go through L.A.
With the right additions in a talent rich draft and free agent class, the Jazz can completely rebuild the team in one year as did the Spurs when they drafted Tim Duncan.
dan | 6:04 a.m. June 27, 2009
They are crazy if they think he deserves as much as Elton Brand received.
Millsap is not in that realm yet.
misses nuber 12 | 6:57 a.m. June 27, 2009
The Jazz start to rebuild now they become either the T-wolves, Kings, or
Grizzlies. You can throw the Warriers in there as well. A very small market
that no free agent will ever come to if he has any comparable offers. The jazz
got a raw deal from Derek Fisher, if they were not so nice to him they could
have advanced a little farther. They are very close now and if they can stay
away from injuries the jazz can contend. Boozer must stay healthy and decide he
is going to defend better.
Did someone say the jazz can learn from Detroit? Really? The same organization that passed on Carmelo so the nuggets could have him. Then they trade the nuggets Billups. Seems like they are more interested in helping Denver than themselves.
Did someone say the jazz can learn from Detroit? Really? The same organization that passed on Carmelo so the nuggets could have him. Then they trade the nuggets Billups. Seems like they are more interested in helping Denver than themselves.
Number one priority | 6:58 a.m. June 27, 2009
should be to talk Sloan into not coming back this year. He is the one constant
through the whole mess of the last couple of years. He never takes the blame
but he causes the problems. He can not coach defense, and he is an egomaniac
that has a mouth like a sewer. Why has this city put up with his antics for so
long. A half way decent college coach could have won as many games as him with
as much talent as he has had. Let Phil Johnson or Jeff Hornacek get this team
motivated and not crush the spirits of te team right out of the gate. Give him
his pension, a new tractor and a blue heeler dog he can swear out all day and
let him ride off into the sunset
page | 7:13 a.m. June 27, 2009
10 mill a year for milsap i don't so
Dr Jazz | 7:24 a.m. June 27, 2009
The Jazz can't pay Millsap 10 million/yr. That would be crazy. I love his
game but he's not going to be an all star soon and probably never. I agree
The Jazz should slow play their hand and will get what they want and save
money.
Boozer caused this problem by being injured or the Jazz could have signed Millsap for 4-6 million for several years.
I hope Boozer opts out. Even if he comes back it will be for less money. Mark Eaton moved faster on defence then Snoozer.
Boozer caused this problem by being injured or the Jazz could have signed Millsap for 4-6 million for several years.
I hope Boozer opts out. Even if he comes back it will be for less money. Mark Eaton moved faster on defence then Snoozer.
Tired | 7:55 a.m. June 27, 2009
I'm tired of all of these athletes who think of nothing but money. All of
us in the real world are struggling to make ends meet.
Maybe it's time to walk away from sports for a year to let the athletes know they need to think about the game and not just the money.
Even begining players make more in one year than most people make in a lifetime! It's hard to imagine for the real person what $10 million a year could even look like.
I love sports and would really miss the games, however it's getting to the point where I can't even afford to sit in the cheap seats for myself let alone take my kids!
At least here in Utah we have some classy players that are not in jail every other week and seem to be involved in the community.
I know I'm not looking at reality and that if we want to win a championship we will have to pay all of our players $5 million a game EACH, but is it really worth it??
Maybe it's time to walk away from sports for a year to let the athletes know they need to think about the game and not just the money.
Even begining players make more in one year than most people make in a lifetime! It's hard to imagine for the real person what $10 million a year could even look like.
I love sports and would really miss the games, however it's getting to the point where I can't even afford to sit in the cheap seats for myself let alone take my kids!
At least here in Utah we have some classy players that are not in jail every other week and seem to be involved in the community.
I know I'm not looking at reality and that if we want to win a championship we will have to pay all of our players $5 million a game EACH, but is it really worth it??
Observation-ist | 8:40 a.m. June 27, 2009
I still like the notion of trading Boozer for Rip Hamilton. Rip plays defense,
brings energy and intensity, and has an offensive game too.
I would like to be a fly on the wall when Kosta and Goran square off. Let each of them take turns whooping up on Fezenko and then match up mano-a-mano. I hope at least one of those two can be a role player for us soon.
The Jazz still do not have a complete 2 guard. We either get Defense (Ronnie B) or Offense (Kyle K).
I would like to be a fly on the wall when Kosta and Goran square off. Let each of them take turns whooping up on Fezenko and then match up mano-a-mano. I hope at least one of those two can be a role player for us soon.
The Jazz still do not have a complete 2 guard. We either get Defense (Ronnie B) or Offense (Kyle K).
IDjazz12 | 8:49 a.m. June 27, 2009
If the Milsap camp thinks that he is worth Elton Brand type number then enjoy
where ever you go Milly. Even Elton Brand is not worth the money he is getting.
Milly is a good player but not great to demand that type of money.
I smell fish!!! Okur says he is willing to take less but the negotiations are far apart. What does he want 10 years?
If the Jazz after free agency opens do not move some people or trade to get better then we will see that the new management(Greg) is just like the old and willing to just be average still. There was plenty of movement out there the Jazz could have been involved in but again no where to be seen.
I smell fish!!! Okur says he is willing to take less but the negotiations are far apart. What does he want 10 years?
If the Jazz after free agency opens do not move some people or trade to get better then we will see that the new management(Greg) is just like the old and willing to just be average still. There was plenty of movement out there the Jazz could have been involved in but again no where to be seen.
Miles | 9:08 a.m. June 27, 2009
Just like I said yesterday, the Jazz will pay through the nose to keep Millsap.
They pay him $10 million a year they are crazy. They could have drafted Blair
for less than a million a year for 3 years. Okur, not worth very much with his
bad back. Boozer not worth keeping period. Nor Korver. I read yesterday that
Boozer is not going to opt out because he knows he will not get any money on the
open market.
It makes no sense to pay | 9:11 a.m. June 27, 2009
the luxury tax for the current Jazz roster. If the Jazz over pay Boozer,
Millsap, Okur or Korver they will kill the future of the team.
This group can not win a championship. They can not beat LA or SA. If they get over paid then the Jazz can not afford to pay role players. Once in the luxury tax the role players cost twice as much.
If the Jazz pay the luxury tax it had better be for players who can win a championship. In years past the Jazz have over paid certain players and then could not get the additional talent they needed to be more than a play off team.
Learn from SA. SA does not over pay Parker and Ginobli. They are both better players than anyone on the Jazz roster. Okur, Boozer and Millsap are not players you can build an entire team around.
It makes no sense to have 3 point guards in the luxury tax. Why have a bad 3rd point guard who can't run the team and pay them double to sit on the bench or worse lose games when they do play.
Please change the mistakes of the past.
This group can not win a championship. They can not beat LA or SA. If they get over paid then the Jazz can not afford to pay role players. Once in the luxury tax the role players cost twice as much.
If the Jazz pay the luxury tax it had better be for players who can win a championship. In years past the Jazz have over paid certain players and then could not get the additional talent they needed to be more than a play off team.
Learn from SA. SA does not over pay Parker and Ginobli. They are both better players than anyone on the Jazz roster. Okur, Boozer and Millsap are not players you can build an entire team around.
It makes no sense to have 3 point guards in the luxury tax. Why have a bad 3rd point guard who can't run the team and pay them double to sit on the bench or worse lose games when they do play.
Please change the mistakes of the past.
Milsap good but | 9:25 a.m. June 27, 2009
he is no Boozer! Wait a minute I didn't say Boozer isn't lazy and
arrogant, but he can be a animal when he is healthy and decides to play (too bad
he is selfish). And to compete with the other teams LA,Orlando,Clevland(now they
have Shack) the Jazz will have to spend money ( meaning go over the cap) to be
among the elite teams. What happens on Tues. with tell all of us fans were the
organization stands. Love the Jazz but I might have get with the Nuggets if they
decide to just sell tickets in stead of win a championship
cut miles | 9:43 a.m. June 27, 2009
use that money to keep Millsap and Memo
Millsap | 9:45 a.m. June 27, 2009
I think Millsap is awesome and I'd love to see him stay in Utah. At the
same time, he hasn't proven that he is worth $10 million/season. That is
crazy. I'm thinking a 3 year deal at around $5-6 million per year is fair.
If Millsap improves and becomes an all-star, then he will have earned the
opportunity to earn $10 million plus. Right now, it's not worth the risk.
These players will continue to be paid huge amounts of money as long as fans
continue to buy merchandise and tickets to the games. $100 for a good seat to a
2 hour ball game is a rip off. I'll continue to attend college basketball
games and just follow the Jazz via the internet.
Keepers | 9:55 a.m. June 27, 2009
RE: Cut Miles:I agree, keep Memo Millsap and Korver dump miles,he`s
worthless/lazy and will never amount to anything other than a 12th man/practice
player
GungaDin | 10:00 a.m. June 27, 2009
Millsap isn't an All Star and won't be. This is what happens when you
let a relative be your agent.
Also, the Jazz won't have 2 lottery picks next year. If they qualify for the lottery with their own pick, it goes to another team (Philly I think as part of the Giricek trade). The only way they get 2 first round picks next year is if they make the playoffs.
That is something to think about too. They could get a top 5 pick next year and have to pay for that too.
Also, the Jazz won't have 2 lottery picks next year. If they qualify for the lottery with their own pick, it goes to another team (Philly I think as part of the Giricek trade). The only way they get 2 first round picks next year is if they make the playoffs.
That is something to think about too. They could get a top 5 pick next year and have to pay for that too.
Cap Management | 10:30 a.m. June 27, 2009
is just as important as talent in the long run to the survival and success of a
team.
There are elite teams such as BOS, LA, and CLE who break the cap on purpose to buy the talent they need to compete for a championship now. That requires deep pockets and very good player analysis and management but it works.
There are teams who are brilliant at cap management and player selection/management (SA) and they win.
There are teams that destroy the franchise with bad cap management and player management(NY).
There are teams that are not good at player management but do try to win (DAL, DET, maybe DEN).
There are financially poor teams (MEM, MIL, PHO lately).
There are teams that are building (OKC, POR).
There are perennial also rans either due to bad cap management or player management (SL, NO).
Utah has the chance to become an elite team. Talent is cheap this year as teams melt down and the economy stays bad. Don't blow the future with bad cap management. Improve your player selection and management.
There are elite teams such as BOS, LA, and CLE who break the cap on purpose to buy the talent they need to compete for a championship now. That requires deep pockets and very good player analysis and management but it works.
There are teams who are brilliant at cap management and player selection/management (SA) and they win.
There are teams that destroy the franchise with bad cap management and player management(NY).
There are teams that are not good at player management but do try to win (DAL, DET, maybe DEN).
There are financially poor teams (MEM, MIL, PHO lately).
There are teams that are building (OKC, POR).
There are perennial also rans either due to bad cap management or player management (SL, NO).
Utah has the chance to become an elite team. Talent is cheap this year as teams melt down and the economy stays bad. Don't blow the future with bad cap management. Improve your player selection and management.
akk | 10:36 a.m. June 27, 2009
We need more defense so if Boozer doesn't opt out Trade him to the Hornets
for Tyson Chandler. They want an expiring contract... resign Okur, He Can play
with Chandler and back up the Five. If Milsap commands too much money let him go
and add an upgrade at the two. Kirlinko and Koufus could be your four and five
back ups. Try and trade Korver and Harpering for an upgrade at the Two(expiring
contracts make them more tradeable) Try and trade CJ (not likely any takers)
todd from santa ana | 10:43 a.m. June 27, 2009
jazz management will always be scared of change, this is why sloan is here
Re: Millsap | 10:49 a.m. June 27, 2009
I agree that the apparent price for Millsap (according to his relative/agent!)
is steep. I don't think he's worth a dime over $10 million a year.
It's really all about what the market dictates. If some team wants to
swoop in and pay him on potentially being an all-star, he could end up with an
inflated contract that might equal his level of play, to which the Jazz should
let him walk.
As is, he averaged almost a double double, and I think is worthy of a deal similar to Okur's contract with the Jazz - a six year, $50 million type deal. At the time he was signed, he seemed overpaid but in my opinion he stepped in and earned his paycheck. I can see a similar scenario for Millsap, and he should take that deal.
As is, he averaged almost a double double, and I think is worthy of a deal similar to Okur's contract with the Jazz - a six year, $50 million type deal. At the time he was signed, he seemed overpaid but in my opinion he stepped in and earned his paycheck. I can see a similar scenario for Millsap, and he should take that deal.
Back Up PG | 10:53 a.m. June 27, 2009
Sloan is going to insist on a 3rd PG. Save some money for a GOOD PG, one who can
run the team well and shoot. Maynor will not be able to run the team for a while
as he learns the system and adjusts to the NBA.
Don't lose a bunch of games early due to a crappy cheap back up PG. Price can't run the team well but can shoot sometimes (I know he is a crowd favorite but he is not a PG and loses games). Knight can't shoot. Both lost games due to weaknesses.
If the Jazz are in the luxury tax they may have to cross train Brewer or CJ at back up PG (3rd emergency option). The best reason for having AK on the second team was that he could act as a point forward and make up for the bad back up PG play.
Get a good back up PG and start AK so the game is not lost in the 1st Q.
Can this team learn from it's past mistakes? Price is not a good PG and he is not a good SG.
Fix the problem.
Don't lose a bunch of games early due to a crappy cheap back up PG. Price can't run the team well but can shoot sometimes (I know he is a crowd favorite but he is not a PG and loses games). Knight can't shoot. Both lost games due to weaknesses.
If the Jazz are in the luxury tax they may have to cross train Brewer or CJ at back up PG (3rd emergency option). The best reason for having AK on the second team was that he could act as a point forward and make up for the bad back up PG play.
Get a good back up PG and start AK so the game is not lost in the 1st Q.
Can this team learn from it's past mistakes? Price is not a good PG and he is not a good SG.
Fix the problem.
akk is right the Jazz have | 11:07 a.m. June 27, 2009
a lot of flexibility. Sloan won't like it but Koufos/Suton could get by at
C or Gortat could replace Okur for cheaper. Boozer's contract could be very
valuable. The Jazz could get 2 upgrades for Boozer in this market.
Use your brain. Continuity is quicksand at this time in this market. Seize the opportunity and make a contender.
If it takes 2 years to become an elite team it is worth it. If you can get the right players at the right price this team can contend. If they keep the same players at the wrong price (always done that before) the team will fall.
Use your brain. Continuity is quicksand at this time in this market. Seize the opportunity and make a contender.
If it takes 2 years to become an elite team it is worth it. If you can get the right players at the right price this team can contend. If they keep the same players at the wrong price (always done that before) the team will fall.
todd from santa ana | 11:13 a.m. June 27, 2009
somehow I could see CJ being an adequate backup point. he has the athleticism
to be successful.
MILSAP IS NO BRAND | 11:34 a.m. June 27, 2009
Milsap is no Elton Brand. Brand was a number 1 pick a big time shot blocker,
scorer and was a double double guy every year. That being said Brand when
healthy is still a level below Garnet, Duncan and the other greats. 6 years and
50 million is very generous for a guy like Milsap. He will max out his tallent
very soon and it will not be 25pts 10rbs and 2.5blk like brand in 2005. It will
be more like 16, 10 and 1 blk. His lack of tallent will get him in foul truble
and he will never carry a team out of the first round. Bottom line is Milsap
does what he does with effort which is fine in the regular season. In the
playoffs however everybody makes a big effort and milsap will be lost in the
trees.
Trade for thought | 11:40 a.m. June 27, 2009
In light of the Carter trade to Orlando it is very unlikely they will be able to
keep Turkolgu.
I think that if the jazz want to win the best thing they can do is let Korver and Milsap (Don't pay him ten mil) go in order to create cap space for Turkolgu and Lee.
Then make a deal that sends Boozer and Miles for Bosh.
New team line-up
Dwill
Brewer
Hedo
Okur
Bosh
------
Lee
AK
Price
Suton
Fes
This would be the best team the Jazz have ever had. Seriously imagine that line-up. 6-10 Hedo, who can definitely play defense, 6-10 Okur, 6-11 Bosh who is a flat out beast, Brewer who is a good defender, Dwill who does it all, Lee is a pretty much a white Milsap, AK is a good shot-blocker, and Suton can stretch the defense.
If we want to win this is the way to go and the crazy thing is it is possible. The Raptors want to get rid of Bosh, Lee will probably leave the Knicks, and Hedo will likely not get resigned.
I think that if the jazz want to win the best thing they can do is let Korver and Milsap (Don't pay him ten mil) go in order to create cap space for Turkolgu and Lee.
Then make a deal that sends Boozer and Miles for Bosh.
New team line-up
Dwill
Brewer
Hedo
Okur
Bosh
------
Lee
AK
Price
Suton
Fes
This would be the best team the Jazz have ever had. Seriously imagine that line-up. 6-10 Hedo, who can definitely play defense, 6-10 Okur, 6-11 Bosh who is a flat out beast, Brewer who is a good defender, Dwill who does it all, Lee is a pretty much a white Milsap, AK is a good shot-blocker, and Suton can stretch the defense.
If we want to win this is the way to go and the crazy thing is it is possible. The Raptors want to get rid of Bosh, Lee will probably leave the Knicks, and Hedo will likely not get resigned.
There is no reason to give | 11:50 a.m. June 27, 2009
Millsap more than the mid level exemption unless DET bids on him. In which case
the Jazz can decide to match or go after Lee. If Millsap goes to DET Boozer has
no place to go.
If the Jazz can't agree on a long term contract then work out a 2 year deal and let Millsap prove he is worth more.
Whatever the Jazz do they should not pay to much to Millsap, Boozer, Okur or Korver. None of them are indispensible. AND none of them can be used to build a championshp.
They are parts left over from a Sloan machine that can't win a championship. Rebuilt the team for a future championship with players who can play D and who have enough talent to beat LA, SA. We are tired of losing to them.
I like Millsap, Okur and Korver but that is no reason to over pay them.
Learn from SA. If you do not have the right players do not over pay them and then trade them for the right players.
I do not have faith in Sloan's scheme. I do not think it is capable of winning in today's NBA.
If the Jazz can't agree on a long term contract then work out a 2 year deal and let Millsap prove he is worth more.
Whatever the Jazz do they should not pay to much to Millsap, Boozer, Okur or Korver. None of them are indispensible. AND none of them can be used to build a championshp.
They are parts left over from a Sloan machine that can't win a championship. Rebuilt the team for a future championship with players who can play D and who have enough talent to beat LA, SA. We are tired of losing to them.
I like Millsap, Okur and Korver but that is no reason to over pay them.
Learn from SA. If you do not have the right players do not over pay them and then trade them for the right players.
I do not have faith in Sloan's scheme. I do not think it is capable of winning in today's NBA.
Keep Millsap, Trade AK | 11:52 a.m. June 27, 2009
Keeping Millsap is priority #1 over Okur, Booz, and Korver. As long as we can
keep him at below $10 million a year, he's worth it. For example, Biedrins
is a better player and a C, and he only makes $9 a year. Not many teams are able
to offer that type of money anyway (OKC, Mem and Detroit), and I see Turkoglu,
Boozer and others as better options.
Another way to keep Okur and Millsap is to trade AK. Everyone knows he's the reason we are in this mess. Without him making so much, we might be in the running for Turkoglu or Gordon. Memphis offered Darko's expiring and Buckner for Zach Randolph. The Clippers turned it down. Why not trade AK for Quentin Richardson's expiring and Buckner? It actually saves more money for Mem and they get the PF they are searching for. Utah would save $4 million for this year and almost $14 million for next year.
Our rebuilding should be based more around trading AK than guessing who will stay or not. We can't control where those player options will go, but we can trade our biggest roster destroyer.
Another way to keep Okur and Millsap is to trade AK. Everyone knows he's the reason we are in this mess. Without him making so much, we might be in the running for Turkoglu or Gordon. Memphis offered Darko's expiring and Buckner for Zach Randolph. The Clippers turned it down. Why not trade AK for Quentin Richardson's expiring and Buckner? It actually saves more money for Mem and they get the PF they are searching for. Utah would save $4 million for this year and almost $14 million for next year.
Our rebuilding should be based more around trading AK than guessing who will stay or not. We can't control where those player options will go, but we can trade our biggest roster destroyer.
to No 1 Priority: | 11:53 a.m. June 27, 2009
One of the better comments on this board, my man. Everyone is going on and on
about Millsap, Koufos, Loozer, etc., etc., but we're just discussing
rearranging the chairs on the Titanic there. We need a new Captain who can avoid
the dangers, not just another season of the same ol' same ol'. And
Sloans act courtside year after year is an embarrassment to his community.
Anyone else in the public eye acts like that in public, they get pilloried in
the press.
McKay | 11:57 a.m. June 27, 2009
I thought Korver already said on a radio show that he was opting out?
magnus | 11:58 a.m. June 27, 2009
Both Millsap adn Okur agents are blowing smoke, now way either of them gets
better than a 10 mil a year offer this year.
Fortunately for the Jazz they can just watch Millsap walk into the meat grinder that is this seasons free agent market, watch his value deteriorate because nobody has the money to sign him, and then match whatever offer he eventually accepts. If Okur is smart he will take any extension worth more than 35 Million because there really aren't to many suitors out there who can or will do better than that.
They are right about him being on the same level as Lee though, the problem is Lee is overrated, just like Matrix and Amare were when they played for D'Antoni.
Fortunately for the Jazz they can just watch Millsap walk into the meat grinder that is this seasons free agent market, watch his value deteriorate because nobody has the money to sign him, and then match whatever offer he eventually accepts. If Okur is smart he will take any extension worth more than 35 Million because there really aren't to many suitors out there who can or will do better than that.
They are right about him being on the same level as Lee though, the problem is Lee is overrated, just like Matrix and Amare were when they played for D'Antoni.
Thoughs has a very good | 12:05 p.m. June 27, 2009
point. The Jazz have lots of options and they have a fan base who will support
and fill the stadium while the team tries to put a winner together.
This team over paid AK. How much is that hurting this team right now and for the last 2 years? When will this organization learn from it's past mistakes.
Show us you know how to run an NBA franchise. This organization should be just as capable as SA in putting together a winner. You have the opportunity begging you. Take the steps, you may only get this chance once in a decade or so.
To paraphrase KOC. He sees some teams becoming elite contenders and other falling back. There will be a 2 tiered NBA. He gets it. Do the rest of the Jazz management get it? Which way are the Jazz going to go.
They can't do the same thing as always without going down. The cap will get them.
Remake the team while the financial conditions favor the owners. The fan base will support.
Pay more for the same, and the fans will know you are not serious and the cap will doom the Jazz.
This team over paid AK. How much is that hurting this team right now and for the last 2 years? When will this organization learn from it's past mistakes.
Show us you know how to run an NBA franchise. This organization should be just as capable as SA in putting together a winner. You have the opportunity begging you. Take the steps, you may only get this chance once in a decade or so.
To paraphrase KOC. He sees some teams becoming elite contenders and other falling back. There will be a 2 tiered NBA. He gets it. Do the rest of the Jazz management get it? Which way are the Jazz going to go.
They can't do the same thing as always without going down. The cap will get them.
Remake the team while the financial conditions favor the owners. The fan base will support.
Pay more for the same, and the fans will know you are not serious and the cap will doom the Jazz.
Miles | 12:09 p.m. June 27, 2009
Let's say Boozer, Millsap, Memo and Korver all walk. Miller will have so
much money to sign some cheaper free agents.
That would leave the following lineup:
1: Dwill
2: Brewer
3: Miles
4: AK
5: Koufus
You would still have Harpring, Fez, Maynard off the bench. Pick up some older/cheaper veterans and play ball.
Then let's see if Jerry is as good as you all say.
That would leave the following lineup:
1: Dwill
2: Brewer
3: Miles
4: AK
5: Koufus
You would still have Harpring, Fez, Maynard off the bench. Pick up some older/cheaper veterans and play ball.
Then let's see if Jerry is as good as you all say.
Miles Continued | 12:18 p.m. June 27, 2009
Only Koufus did not start at some point during the year. So by letting them all
walk, we still have 4 starters left on the team. Fez can back up the 5 spot.
We would need to find a backup 4. Find a backup 2/3. I would rather have that
team that a bunch of overpaid, don't want to play defense whiners, always
injured like Memo and Boozer. If Millsap gets his 10 million more power to him
and Korver can go find a team that uses him correctly. Jerry can prove once and
for all that he is a hall of fame coach. AK may shock everyone at the 4
position where he belongs. Dwill can become more of a scorer like Paul is and I
am sure our defense would improve greatly. Maynor would get minutes and Fez and
Koufus could prove to us all if they are worth keeping around. Then in 2010 we
can load up cause we will have tons of money to spend.
30seconds....GO! | 12:21 p.m. June 27, 2009
I guess I'm one of the few who actually wants to keep the team intact...I
love this team and if they can as a whole commit to defense, than we're
easily a top contender. They need to commint to the entire season (all 82 games)
and commit to defense, and if we can do that, we'll be just fine without
trades.
I think with the team we have we can get it done...but if a few trades happened, I wouldn't mind it as long as we get something back in return. I don't want the jazz to start making trades to avoid the luxury tax, because honestly we have one of the lowest paid teams in the league (26th to be exact) It's about time we start spending some money.
It almost feels like being a jazz fan is like being a cubs fan or a red sox fan (before they started winning championships)...we get extremely close, but find a way to lose it.
I hope the jazz win it all this year!
I think with the team we have we can get it done...but if a few trades happened, I wouldn't mind it as long as we get something back in return. I don't want the jazz to start making trades to avoid the luxury tax, because honestly we have one of the lowest paid teams in the league (26th to be exact) It's about time we start spending some money.
It almost feels like being a jazz fan is like being a cubs fan or a red sox fan (before they started winning championships)...we get extremely close, but find a way to lose it.
I hope the jazz win it all this year!
Brewer and Korver | 12:23 p.m. June 27, 2009
Split the time at the 2 spot and PLEASE get someone at the 3 who actually plays
a complete game,which includes SCORING/REBOUNDING AND DEFENSE,I agree with the
earlier posts, miles is lazy/worthless and probably untradeable,Oak City
probably wants nothing to do with him now
cj a point guard???? | 12:27 p.m. June 27, 2009
WOW!!!! he can`t play the SF position worth a hoot.... now he`s gonna back up
D-will????? wow what are you thinking????
Cross training CJ | 12:28 p.m. June 27, 2009
has several advantages even if he never is needed (hopefully).
1. It will force him to improve his attack to the basket. He is really weak in that area.
2. He will understand the plays better from the perspective of the other players. He will become better at moving and positioning.
3. If he can handle the job he will save a lot of money. We paid almost as much for Knight and Price as we do for CJ.
4. If there is an season ending injury at PG, CJ can get the Jazz by until they can make a trade (like ORL and HOU mid season).
5. If he can handle the role, he is big and can see over who is guarding him. Plus he can hit the outside shot. They can't back off and pack the paint.
I think he can pass. Can CJ dribble well enough? Is his Bball IQ high enough? Can he make good decisions?
He has got to be at least as good as Hart and Price. He certainly shoots better than Knight.
If CJ won't work maybe Brewer can?
1. It will force him to improve his attack to the basket. He is really weak in that area.
2. He will understand the plays better from the perspective of the other players. He will become better at moving and positioning.
3. If he can handle the job he will save a lot of money. We paid almost as much for Knight and Price as we do for CJ.
4. If there is an season ending injury at PG, CJ can get the Jazz by until they can make a trade (like ORL and HOU mid season).
5. If he can handle the role, he is big and can see over who is guarding him. Plus he can hit the outside shot. They can't back off and pack the paint.
I think he can pass. Can CJ dribble well enough? Is his Bball IQ high enough? Can he make good decisions?
He has got to be at least as good as Hart and Price. He certainly shoots better than Knight.
If CJ won't work maybe Brewer can?
@30Seconds | 1:19 p.m. June 27, 2009
The only time this current team plays defense is in the last 8 minutes of any
game that is close. They are fully capable of playing defense but will not play
it all game. They only turn it on when they want/need to.
Unfortunately, when they do turn it on against the best teams they tend to get beat (in a series) and on the road. They are not that good because they lack defensive talent. Even when they turn it on they are lacking against very good teams.
Part of it may be the defensive scheme which does not work against he triangle offense nor the inside out game that SA and many western teams use.
It is time to realize that this team is a play off team but nothing more. Boozer can not attack the rim against LA or SA he can not defend them. Neither can Okur. There are a lot more okay teams that they can defend.
Unfortunately, when they do turn it on against the best teams they tend to get beat (in a series) and on the road. They are not that good because they lack defensive talent. Even when they turn it on they are lacking against very good teams.
Part of it may be the defensive scheme which does not work against he triangle offense nor the inside out game that SA and many western teams use.
It is time to realize that this team is a play off team but nothing more. Boozer can not attack the rim against LA or SA he can not defend them. Neither can Okur. There are a lot more okay teams that they can defend.
BOOZER WORTH PAYING! | 1:41 p.m. June 27, 2009
Boozer is the only one of our three free agent big men worth signing. The
reason is he has trade value. Very few teams wants a center like okur who plays
minimal D. Very few teams want a great bench player as their starting power
forward(Milsap). Boozer is very talented and even though he is no Garnett or
Duncan he is the best available. There is always a chance that he will decide to
show up on D and in the mean time we could move him for a guy like Bosh. We
need to focus on getting boozer to sign on the line and maybe sign Milsap if he
signs a reasonable offer sheet. Korver's 5 million dollar option will
either become an expiring contract next year or room to bring in some quality
role players this year.
FEAR? | 1:48 p.m. June 27, 2009
What are the Jazz scared of. Miles showed very little and we signed him because
he might be good somewhere else? Same with Fes!. Have guys we let go every done
anyting? Mo Williams maybe but he is what we thought he was a 2 in a
point's body. A few guys are in the league but they haven't embarased
us. Stevenson, Pavlovic, Vaughn, Anderson, Snyder, Humphries have done very
little in this league. They certainly have made very little impact.
No Way | 2:01 p.m. June 27, 2009
Let's see if anyone offers Millsap more than the mid-level exception.
I'm happy to see him opt out. Boozer, too. Let them find out how much money isn't out there right now.
Millsap tailed off badly at the end of the year. He's inconsistent, often absent on the road. Can't possibly play starter's minutes for a whole season. Remember the knee?
Get real.
I'm happy to see him opt out. Boozer, too. Let them find out how much money isn't out there right now.
Millsap tailed off badly at the end of the year. He's inconsistent, often absent on the road. Can't possibly play starter's minutes for a whole season. Remember the knee?
Get real.
Korver did not say he was out.. | 2:28 p.m. June 27, 2009
Korver's interview on that radio station said pretty much nothing....LOL
He talked about the possibility of opting out, but never said he was. Honestly,
he sounded like he was 'thinking out loud' and rambling a bit, leaving
everyone unsure of what he actually meant. SOME here in Utah (DAVID JAMES)
posted blog headlines such as 'Korver Ready to Opt Out and Leave
Utah', which were irresponsible and misleading to fans who didn't
actually hear the radio interview or any of the other follow up on it (which
basically concluded that the interview didn't reveal a decision one way, or
the other). Some national outlets then picked up on blogs such as DJ's,
passing on word that Korver was ready to leave Utah. Siler of the Trib. for
some reason is certain Korver will still be here next year... he also spoke with
him after the 'interview' and Korver was genuinely surprised at the
way it was interpreted... and of course, didn't intend to start the talk
that came from it.
magnus | 2:53 p.m. June 27, 2009
what I'd like to see happen...
Sign Millsap, Okur, Korver and Price. Sign and trade Boozer for Hamilton. Trade Harpring and CJ to New Orleans for Chandler and get Harp back after they buy him out.
Roster
PG: D-Will/Price/Maynor
SG: Rip/Brewer
SF: AK/Korver/Harpring
PF: Millsap/Koufos
C: Memo/Chandler/Fes
I think that is a team that could contend. Brewer could also start at SF with AK comming off the bench if that seemed better, but I think with Boozer out of the picture putting AK back in the starting lineup would be a good thing.
Sign Millsap, Okur, Korver and Price. Sign and trade Boozer for Hamilton. Trade Harpring and CJ to New Orleans for Chandler and get Harp back after they buy him out.
Roster
PG: D-Will/Price/Maynor
SG: Rip/Brewer
SF: AK/Korver/Harpring
PF: Millsap/Koufos
C: Memo/Chandler/Fes
I think that is a team that could contend. Brewer could also start at SF with AK comming off the bench if that seemed better, but I think with Boozer out of the picture putting AK back in the starting lineup would be a good thing.
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