Readers' forum: Show Obama the door


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  • bumper sticker
    Sept. 14, 2009 4:06 p.m.

    "I'll keep my mortgage, my money, my insurance; You can keep the CHANGE." I laughed so hard!

  • uhh...what...
    Aug. 27, 2009 8:02 a.m.

    Sue | 12:41 a.m. June 26, 2009 - are you serious, "at no one's expense"? Are you a tax payer or just someone riding on the back of the working man/woman. You must think he's paying for all these initiatives out of his own pocket or from some magic piggy bank in the Treasury basement. Those who got in on CARS thank the tax payers for giving them $4500 and those that are buying houses thank the tax payers for the $8000 they have been given. I didn't get either of these freebies, did you. Do you honestly think that printing more money and giving away the farm is the way to go, especially if it means that we'll be the worst for it in the future, both immediate and long term. Hurray for green this and that and hooray for feeling good but it can't and won't last without a little dose of reality. I mean, how much longer can we support the failing industries, be it banking or auto or whatever. Guess we'll see. Go Green!

  • Obama out and Beck in
    Aug. 25, 2009 1:15 p.m.

    We need Glenn Beck in the White House. Moral people must stand up for righteous leaders. God Bless America.

  • The RN
    Aug. 17, 2009 6:56 a.m.

    What a great opportunity for the liberal left to really learn about their cohorts in stupidity. Just spend 20 minutes and re-read the comments made. Hate, lies, dishonest representations of things said and insinuations about things not said. Go ahead, re-read them and you will get a new perspective on why so many conservative thinkers and those on the right are so opposed to Obama's agenda. Here is Government 101, HS level...for all those radical leftists who write so dishonestly:

    The election in 7 states was carried by less than 1% of the States voters. But each one got all of the electoral college votes. One is called living in a democracy, the other is called living in a Republic. Don't distort the differences between the electoral college votes and the populace vote. And don't get on a public comment forum and try and re-write history to serve your own lies and dishonest comments. The simple fact is that the political conservative want less government in their respective lives. They want less government in church, less in the doctors office, less in the public school, family and bedroom. The Liberal want more.

  • Re" true freedom
    Aug. 17, 2009 1:46 a.m.

    Analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the Joint Committee on Taxation shows that the House bill that's being rushed through by Democrats would add $239 billion to the deficit in the next 10 years – and that's after raising taxes by $820 billion and cutting Medicare Advantage by $150 billion. Now do you understand? We can't afford it!

  • True Freedom
    Aug. 17, 2009 12:20 a.m.


    We need access to a PUBLIC HEALTH CARE option to have true CHOICE and true cost controls.

    If Medicare and Medicaid was privatized, do you think it would still be around?

    It would of been bankrupt years ago with the money sharks of the private system in control.

    I dont see seniors complaining about wanting to go to a privatized system.

    Do you think any privatised insurance scam cares?

    More importantly I dont see PEOPLE in the following countrys fighting for a privatized system.

    Australia, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France ,Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Slovenia, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom (England) Etc.

    They can SLEEP BETTER knowing they all have COVERAGE.

    People in all other countrys that have a public healthcare system also have options for private healthcare too!

    They have more FREEDOM of choice than Americans.

  • Brain Washed
    Aug. 3, 2009 10:20 p.m.

    Just wondering if all of the people on here backing Obama are going to follow the chosen one over the cliff of socialised health care?

    At least think for yourself for once in your life and realize Obama is trying to completely destroy the best medical industry in the world. If we as Americans let the Federal Government run our healthcare system we will never recover. Just take a look at Europe and Canada, and the time that people have to wait to be treated.

    If you think that Obama is telling the truth when he says he doesn't want to do away with private insurance, you are only fooling yourself. Obama wants nothing more than to control everything he can. As an Iraq Veteran believe me when I say you would rather go to a private hospital rather than a government hospital. Socialised health care equals government hospitals everywhere.

  • Eric Moutsos
    Aug. 3, 2009 9:09 p.m.

    Because power corrupts, society's demands for moral authority and character increase as the importance of the position increases.
    John Adams

  • Obama in decline
    July 27, 2009 5:26 p.m.

    The Obama facade is becoming more transparent each and every passing month. People now understand some things about BO:

    1. He is not as smart as once believed. His economic policies have economists across the country scratching their heads and his recent press conferences have analysts all saying... what???
    2. He is much more liberal than once believed. Obama spoke as a moderate during his campaign but he is governing on the far far left. America is NOT a far left country and people are pulling their support.
    3. Obama is a Chicago thug. A snake is a snake and Obama's past is certainly coloring his policies. Anyone who knows the Chicago political machine is saying Obama is a typical corrupt product of the system.
    4. Obama is a radical. America is NOT radical.

    I expect BO's popularity to continue to decline and unless he can reverse the unemployment decline his fellow liberals in congress are in BIG trouble come the 2010 elections.

  • Dixie Dan
    July 27, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    Has any presidency done more harm to our Constitution and economy that George W. Bush? If the lunatic fringe wants Obama/Biden ousted, that means our President would be Nancy Pelosi per our constitution. Pleasant dreams!

  • Blame Game
    July 27, 2009 3:51 p.m.

    Dear obsess | 1:35 a.m. June 29, 2009
    Apparently you are totally illiterate in what happened during the Clinton era. The Clinton era pushed through these bills... fruits of that idiot legislation that Clinton and his cronies pushed through the congress.


    My Gosh!! A little histroy lesson is due...

    Who controlled the Senate and the House under Clinton from 1994 to 2006?

    The Wigs? Nope!
    The Federalists? Nope!

    Those dang socialist democrats?!? Nope...

    The Republicans!! Yes the good ol GOP was pushing this "idiot legislation".

    Clinton didn't make the law it was the GOP in power in Congress just like today we have the Democrats.

    Indeed I blame Clinton and the Pugs for acts like removing the Glass Steagle Act put in place after the Great Depression to regulate the finical system.

  • Red Shirt: Analysis
    July 27, 2009 3:34 p.m.

    Red Shirt uses bits and pieces from article trying to argue a point. But if he took the time to read the entire article he would contradict his own points.

    For example, I still haven't heard how Obama and media made the current recession worse. When in fact everyone in mid 08 was saying recession likely to last into 2010.

  • Anonymous
    July 8, 2009 12:41 p.m.

    @ to replacement | 6:21 p.m.

    Mitt Romney's "business savvy" would make far more sense in this current environment????

    Running a nation is not at all the same thing as playing corporate takeover games with a sporting goods store!

    Get a clue, buddy.

  • Anonymous
    July 8, 2009 12:18 p.m.

    the writer has no clue whatsoever - amazing - i am speechless...

  • Neil
    June 30, 2009 8:27 p.m.

    How wonderful it would be if we could have had Obama instead of W. Bush, then things would be so much better. Let's hope the republicans can learn something from their mistakes and become part of ths solution and not just problem and trouble makers.

  • Show Mr. Anderson The Library
    June 30, 2009 7:30 p.m.

    Mr. Anderson, stop, take a deep breath, and read a book. Slowly wean yourself from the 3 hours daily of neocon radio. Gradually ease in to reading books that you might not even agree with. I've seen it done before, I assure you...You can beat paranoia and ignorance!

  • to replacement
    June 30, 2009 6:21 p.m.

    You thinking is off. Georgia Bush was not a good president. Selecting another not good president is not a better solution. I am agnostic, live in Georgia, and would far prefer the choice to have included Mitt Romney. His business savvy would make far more sense in this current environment.

  • Miss Opinionated
    June 30, 2009 2:08 p.m.

    I love in these comments when everyone refers to the fact that we live in a "democracy". Actually, we live in a representative republic. Not only is Obama a disappointment to me, but so are the representatives we've elected to speak for us. I'm not always sure they have our best interest at heart, but their own. Being a conservative, I am disappointed with republicans acting more like liberals in an attempt to be seen as more electable. Conservatives want conservative thinkers-go figure!

  • To Obama Republican
    June 30, 2009 1:24 p.m.

    "Obama Republican" is an oxymoron.

  • To Anonymous @ 12:14pm
    June 30, 2009 1:16 p.m.

    "Fear mongering" and "Constitution-trampling" politicians? Who do you think you are kidding?!

    "Fear mongering" is the lifeblood of liberalism and the Democratic Party, and "Constitution trampling" is their modus operandi. How else to you explain a bloated federal government that dominates nearly every aspect of our lives and seeks to control the rest? The federal government was designed to be one of limited powers, so that the federal tyranny now unfolding would never occur. Our constitution has already been shredded by politicians from both parties who have expanded the power of the federal government. It almost makes me pine for the Articles of Confederation.

    Go ahead blame Bush and the GOP, as you undoubtedly will. You will find no argument here. Bush and the GOP have been a big part of the problem because they have ignored conservative principles and have instead espoused liberal ones in an ill-advised effort to "move to the center."

    It's time for "We, the People" to reject the "fear-mongering" and "constitution-shredding" of both parties, take back the power, return the federal government to is limited sphere, and return freedom and prosperity to our great country.

  • Obama Republican
    June 30, 2009 12:29 p.m.

    It is no wonder the Republican Party is shrinking! They truly have lost focus, or maybe it is just BIG BUSINESS blocking their view.

    I just do not get the thought process anymore, we spend billions on bombs, guns, espionage, and black ops. Why because the "Military Industrial Complex" DDE: wants it that way.

    If we took one year, yes one year of the defense spending in this country and spent it on alt fuel sources we could be off our addiction to oil. How simple is that, spend money to cut the life line of our enemies. Instead we go on funding the very countries that want to destroy us! Check out the Pickens Plan for one solution.

    The Oil Companies in this country do not want any change in policy. In turn they fund both sides Dem and Rep and we go no where. Status Quo for Oil is the best policy.

    Obama has very limited power when up against the real tyrants in this country.

  • Town Heathan
    June 30, 2009 12:20 p.m.

    Why is it that about 50% of the time, the editors of this site won't let my comments through (all clean and respectful mind you)while they are always willing to let bigots like this one publish full articles.

    I don't get it DN!!!!

    But then again...I don't get Rush Limbaugh either....

  • Anonymous
    June 30, 2009 12:14 p.m.

    You think running a conservative will win? Get real. That's not what America wants. America wants leaders who care, not more fear mongering and Constitution-trampling politicians. MCCain might have done better had he not picked a right-wing nut case to run with.

  • What??
    June 30, 2009 11:50 a.m.

    Why is it, no matter what subject, Mormons always get dragged into it? We are not talking religion, we are talking politics! Pay attention to the subject at hand or don't post.

  • to: one question
    June 30, 2009 11:50 a.m.

    what you say is the sad truth. they know it;s true, but they don't like it. dems have only one adv atage in politics: unity. where the republicans split thier parties because thier conscience tells them to reconsider something, dems blindly follow their party. some may say this is not so, but the facts suggest that it is. how many clinton supporting dems voted for mccain or independently after obama was nominated, despite all the things she and her campaign said about him? romney never said anything bad about mccain which is why the reps supported him when he ran. as a romney supporter, i for one would not vote for mccain if he had said so many bad things about romney as obam did about clinton, or if romney had said so many things about mccain that would make question his intergrity like clinton did to obama. one cannot even dispute the fact that if these dems had a mind of thier own, obama would have never won the election.

  • one question
    June 30, 2009 11:04 a.m.

    Over and over again I see the dems/liberals accuse every FACT dropped by a Rep/conservative as being straight from Rush, Hannity, etc... How do you know? How do YOU know unless YOU are listening to these same people. I get accused of being a Limbaugh listener every time I burden a dem with a FACT. Dems hate facts... However, I cannot tell you the last time I heard the Limbaugh show. Funny thing, when he is on, I am at WORK. Go figure.

  • To Get Real
    June 30, 2009 12:31 a.m.

    The problem with the last election was that the GOP did not run conservatives, and the media is flat-out biased. The GOP ran Democrat-lite candidates and RINOs who were propped up by the liberal media in the primaries (e.g., John McCain) and deserved to lose. No one can out-racist, out pander, out demagogue, out tax and spend, out lie the Democrats.

    By the way, are you a paid political hack like so many other liberal posters on this board?

  • Wow!
    June 30, 2009 12:12 a.m.

    I cannot believe that conservatives have the audacity to argue that President Obama wants to take away their freedoms. Conservatives dont value any freedom except their own. You see, if your a conservative out beating people over the head with a bat and someone makes a law outlawing beatings then they would argue your intolerant. But heres what I dont understand. They used to play this game better. What happened? You really think Rush Limbaugh has mainstream appeal? You really want to make him the republican rallying cry? Have you all gone mad? GO TO THE MIDDLE!!....or not...just go on getting your clocks cleaned.

  • Don't tread on me.
    June 29, 2009 6:35 p.m.

    American automakers made what sold.
    Detroit cranked out those Gas guzzling SUVs because that's what 'mericans waz buy'in! $$$

    Toyota already had Hybrids developed and on the road because gas has been $5+ in Japan for years!
    50% of the cars in Europe are Diesels because gas is been over $5+ per gallon for years there too.

    Americans driving their 8mpg Hummers and SUVs 80 miles per hour had ONE summer of $4 per gallon and you'd think it was the end of the world!

    No-one has the right to force anyone to do the right thing, that takes away freedom of choice.

    Grow and take personal responsibility.
    If you BUY green, they will BUILD green.

    I for one am ticked off that I have to "bail out" greedy Automakers for build cars that know one wants anymore.

    Go Germany, Go Japan!!!

  • Get Real
    June 29, 2009 4:07 p.m.

    To Anonymous @ 10:22 am | 2:58 p.m. June 29, 2009
    Ditto to those who say conservatives are just "parroting" Rush Limbaugh. I guess that's because you can't refute what Rush is saying. He's right, and you resent it.


    Really, have Rush run for office since he's the top Republican in 2012 and lets see what America thinks.

    If he and the GOP is right then why do the Democrats hold the House, the Senate, and the White House?

    If your polices were so good for America then why were they rejected over the last few elections?

    Right wing kooks be it in Iran or Afghanistan are just that nuts. No wonder we continue pray more moderates will lead these societies. The same goes for us.

  • Your Obama Bashing Motive
    June 29, 2009 2:59 p.m.

    A Question..... | 9:44 a.m. June 26, 2009
    "Why when President Bush was in office was it OK to criticize, call him names, etc? Now that Mr. Obama is in office the Left demands that he be respected... Hypocrisy?"

    Bush's took eight VERY LONG years to do the damage he did to this country. It will take much longer than that just to recover. But, within days of Obama taking office the Republican choir began their droning chant of "...he's destroying our country! Family Values! Founding Fathers! Stop Marxist Socialism!"

    You MUST accept the idea that there is NOTHING that you Republicans can do to ever take away your history of President Nixon and his watergate and the Vietnam War. Nothing can take away your history with President Reagan and the Iran Contra secret government. Nothing can take away Bush's government based on theology and dogma over reason and science.

    You're going to have to live with that.

    Sadly, we ALL share the history of Republican presidents lies, deceptions, fearmongering, subversive manipulations and criminal activity.

    Obama will NEVER be one of you, no matter what lies and fearmongering you spread about him.

  • To Anonymous @ 10:22 am
    June 29, 2009 2:58 p.m.

    Do you and your liberal friends know anything other than empty fallacies, such as ad hominem (attacking the individual, not the argument) and the appeal to ridicule (ridiculing an argument without refuting it)? That's about as sophisticated as a playground argument. (Oh yeah? We'll you're stupid, and your mom dresses you funny!) I guess if that's all you've got, that's all you've got.

    Ditto to those who say conservatives are just "parroting" Rush Limbaugh. I guess that's because you can't refute what Rush is saying. He's right, and you resent it. So, go ahead with your empty fallacies. They mean nothing and do nothing except "convince" people who already agree with you.

  • Anonymous
    June 29, 2009 2:37 p.m.

    The TRUTH | 7:17 a.m. June 29, 2009
    katrina? so does bush control the weather?

    No he doesn't control the weather nor does he control the terrorists that attacked us on 9/11 from Afghanistan.

    BUT he does control to how act to those disasters:

    Katrina reaction was a absolute failure for the richest country in the world.

    Reaction to the attack from Afghanistan was a failure: attacking Iraq while Taliban and Al Qayda grew into nuclear Pakistan.

  • Clueless Republicans
    June 29, 2009 2:27 p.m.

    AmericaWakeUp | 4:27 p.m. June 28, 2009
    He is running the entire show all by himself...a true dictatorship..

    Obama is a dictator? I recall the election was a landslide victory when compared to recent elections.

    I did not know that he was making and passing the laws, suppressing decent, etc. Didn't the House 219-212 just last Friday pass the "Cap and Trade" bill. Not really dictator like.

  • Anonymous
    June 29, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    Mr Anderson exemplifies a group of sad, bitter, and ignorant conservatives who are fortunately being marinalized and are dying off so that this country can continue to lead the world.

    Good riddance to you and your type.

  • re: the truth
    June 29, 2009 8:55 a.m.

    "Or illegal aliens doing a better job of speaking English then our 43rd President, wonder why he didn't use a teleprompter."
    or our 44th for that matter. the one industry that as boosted during this crisis is the teleprompter business. can you say "b "uh" rack hussien obama"?

  • to: constitution
    June 29, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    funny thing. a civil rights lawyer does'nt study the constitution, he studies wats to get around it. constitutional lawyers study the constitution. either way, someon who says we need to rewrute our founding documents isn't good as being either. and to The TRUTH | 7:17 a.m. June 29, 2009
    katrina? so does bush control th weather? wow, i'm surprised we were so eager to kick him out of office. katrina's failure did not come from bush, it came from the governor. the president has no power to interfere with a state. if there was a problem, the state failed, not bush. if bush did interfere, he could've faced impeachment charges for violating his duties. or maybe that's why the dems are so mad about katrina. missed chance for impeachment.

  • The TRUTH
    June 29, 2009 7:17 a.m.

    the truth | 4:44 p.m. June 26, 2009,
    "Bush may have done wrong, Obama IS doing wrong,"

    May have? What part of the worst economy since the great depression do you not understand, which started in Dec 2007 a year before Obama took office?

    Or NO WMDs in Iraq? Or no Al Qayda links to Iraq or 9/11? Or United States does NOT torture?

    Or War funding through China? Or Katerina failure.

    Or continue reading my pet goat while the country is under attack.

    Or illegal aliens doing a better job of speaking English then our 43rd President, wonder why he didn't use a teleprompter.

  • RE: re: Red Shirt
    June 29, 2009 6:38 a.m.

    re: Red Shirt | 10:34 a.m. June 27, 2009
    Red Shirt. You take a little bit of factual information then add some spin so the end result are distortions and lies just as Limbaugh/Hannity

    YES, absolutely true. His facts are all spin that can easily counter argued.

  • A Answer ...
    June 29, 2009 6:30 a.m.

    A Question..... | 9:44 a.m. June 26, 2009
    Why when President Bush was in office was it OK to criticize, call him names, etc? Now that Mr. Obama is in office the Left demands that he be respected and allowed to do his job. Hypocrisy?

    Bush wasn't elected president by the people Al Gore had the popular vote (aka people chose Gore). It was the SUPREME court that decided on FL thus giving the presidency to the right-wing conservative.

    Sound similar... fast forward to 2009 in Iran where the SUPREME leader decided the election for a right-wing conservative nut.

    Ironic how we want right-wing nuts in other countries out for more open minded liberals yet right-wing nuts are good for this country??

  • Anonymous
    June 29, 2009 6:04 a.m.

    Hear Hear! | 10:31 a.m. June 26, 2009
    Obama should be shown the door...before Fuhrer Obama and his hacks destroy our country beyond repair.

    FYI the country over the last 8 years has been destroyed under the Bush Administration. Clinton left with a surplus Bush left the country in the worst economic condition since the great depression and being despised around the world.

    BTW conservatives need to make up their minds on Obama ... is he like Hitler or a Messiah? Bush on the other hand preemptively invaded a country(like Hitler) and quoted the bible in his speeches (like the Messiah).

  • Constitution
    June 29, 2009 5:54 a.m.

    From the sounds of it Frederick has studied the Constitution more then Obama... oh wait Obama is a Civil Rights Lawyer who finished with honors from Harvard law... while Frederick is most likely a Joe the Plumber from BYU.

    BTW I didn't see the government intervening in Ford's affairs... I wonder why? Maybe its because Ford didn't take billions in tax payer bailout.

  • Not a leader
    June 29, 2009 5:49 a.m.

    Obama is not a leader, he is a new generation pitchman trying to sell america a load of crap. To save america you can't do it by taking control of the economy or business, there has to be some thought given to put more money in the hands of consumers. Consumers are the base of the economy, not failing businesses that can't be salvaged with financial gifts. If anything is to be taxed, let it be the imported goods and products so america can become self sustaining again. The world economy is dependent on the american consumers who have jobs and are working.

    His goals to give every poor more welfare will only worsen our economic woes. He should be giving the poor jobs with better incomes and let them be their own care takers. Socialism and welfare only creates more poor and more economic problems.

    By the time Obama has done all his damage to our economy with his so called support for the poor we will be in a bigger depression than we now face. Obama's plans to tax the working americans to fund and give welfare to the poor will not work.

  • Dear obsess
    June 29, 2009 1:35 a.m.

    Are you absolutely clueless when you blame Bush? Apparently you are totally illiterate in what happened during the Clinton era. The Clinton era pushed through these bills, removing restrictions and controls and oversights. It took a few years for the problem to develop and we now have the fruits of that idiot legislation that Clinton and his cronies pushed through the congress.

    Start finding out the facts before you shoot off your mouth. First put brain in gear before starting mouth. THe apostle Peter ha it right when he said the toungue is indeed in a slippery place.

  • "America WakeUp"
    June 28, 2009 8:56 p.m.

    is a good example of hysteria. Oh my goodness...get some help!

  • Anonymous
    June 28, 2009 8:41 p.m.

    Frederick, wow...just wow.

    Do you read...ever? Or are you just parroting Rush's talking points.

  • Atlas
    June 28, 2009 8:06 p.m.

    Obama is bad. It is obvious to the intelligent, independent and productive. Now what? Representative governments are frequently up for vote. The mid-terms are gearing up. Learn the issues. Share your thoughts. Get out the vote.

  • AmericaWakeUp
    June 28, 2009 4:27 p.m.

    In reading the list of anger issues, most readers/writers didn't address reasons to show why Obama should be shown the door out...i.e He has hidden & sealed his birth, academic, educational records to prove to Americans that he is or is not qualified to be president... Even the Supreme Courts have thrown out the complaints filed by every attorney questioning Obama's citizenship... He promised change and he has complied.The country's debt is in its worst economic fate ever!...He is running the entire show all by himself...a true dictatorship...(by the way, what's happened to Biden)I just heard that re. Health care, Oba said that the elderly & medically- hopless, should be let to die. I believe the plan may be in the works. In Jan.2009 My dad was feeling weak, I took him to the hospital & he died.(physician= middle eastern & I believe he was terminated)...In 1 day Hiroshima was demolished,In 1 day Germany was demolished,In 1 day the Twin Towers went down. Wonder what Obama can do in 4 years? We're seeing the show in real life!He is good looking & has gift of gab.

  • That's right
    June 28, 2009 2:52 p.m.

    And how likely do some of you people think it is that Obama and other Democrats will be "shown the door". It's not going to happen so you guys should try and contribute what you feel are the best things you can to our country (instead or trying to break it down). I am a Democrat now for this reason. I don't agree completely with either Republican or Democrat platforms, but the Democrats have a vision of the future that I like. And Republicans do more whining, complaining and doomsday type predictions than anything else. Get a life and a purpose for our future and stop bringing us down!

  • Article of Faith
    June 28, 2009 2:23 p.m.

    We had an election and President Obama won. The fact that Obama didn't win Utah doesn't give us the right to nullify the process. I disagreed with those who wanted to impeach President Bush because they opposed his policies, and I disagree with those who wish to toss out President Obama because they oppose his policies. As a Mormon, I was taught at a young age: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." This Article of Faith does not merely apply for the leaders we vote for or agree with.

  • Savant
    June 28, 2009 11:34 a.m.

    I did not vote for Obama but I hope he does well - we can all use an improvement. I don't agree with the letter writer in all of his points and I certainly don't think we know enough about him and his performance at this point.

    But on the other hand, I think giving him a "free pass" is dangerous and I am also concerned that those who blamed every problem under the sun on Bush and were vicious in their verbal attacks (and on Palin and others) are now wanting "civility" from the right when it comes to Obama.

    There does indeed need to be debate on health care, energy, etc, but debate indicates two sides - something liberals don't seem to want to deal with. The facts are that Canada and the UK are not our model for a health care system (these are smaller countries who restrict immigration to those with a lot of money) and that despite what Mr. Gore (whose motives include fame and fortune) says, there IS time to address climate change and do it right.

    And finally, I don't want a green car until they get a lot better.

  • John Gilmore
    June 28, 2009 2:01 a.m.

    I understand the letter writer's frustration.

    Obama is a major disappointment to me too.

    He wouldn't know a mandate if it slapped him in the face. It's slapping, again and again. It's a slapping machine.

    He's bowing to the corporations, he's acting naive in regard to republican intent on health care reform (of course, their goal is to stop anything from happening, as it has always been), and he doesn't seem to understand how badly the democratic party is infiltrated by fundamentalist capitalists.

    What we need is a candidate who is not afraid to be a liberal. Obama is a left leaning moderate (at best) in policy, even if I believe he's a liberal at heart.

    We can only hope that in his second term he takes a sharp turn to the left, because I highly doubt we'll see any meaningful reform in the next three years in the most critical areas this country has seen since WW2 - health care - and the most important issue this planet has ever seen - energy policy.

    Please raise my taxes.

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  • This is so Utah
    June 27, 2009 11:39 a.m.

    Im sick of Rep,s comments, I'm sure they were silent for the last 8 years!!! YES!!! WE REALLY NEED GREEN CARS!!!! What's wrong with you people???? or you want still want to buy ugly american cheap cars!!! you still want to pay a lot for gas I can imagine!!!

  • re: Red Shirt
    June 27, 2009 10:34 a.m.

    According to Kerry's Commanding Officer, George Elliot, Kerry being awarded Purple Hearts for shrapnel wounds was more the rule than the exception. (snopes)

    Billionaire is how you referred to Gore yet you haven't provided a source (ie tax returns) to show us his net worth.

    Obama was one of several plaintiff lawyers against a bank for DISCRIMINATORY lending practices. You provided NO evidence of BAD loans.

    Red Shirt. You take a little bit of factual information then add some spin so the end result are distortions and lies just as Limbaugh/Hannity/Beck/O'Reilly/Drudge/Newsmax/etc. do. You have been a good pupil.

  • Anonymous
    June 27, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    How many years will it take to undo the damange "the One" is doing?

    Bush didn't even come close to this clown.

  • Geeze
    June 27, 2009 8:12 a.m.

    Hey Oh Brother @ 5:39, we live in a REPUBLIC! Get it right, idiot!

    That being said, do you honestly feel its right for Obama to even consider signing bills from congress that were Rahm-rodded down the people's throat without time to read and adequately argue the for and against points? Is this really the man we need to pull America together again, or are you as blinded by his image as all the other Democrap?

    300 pages of changes dropped onto lawmakers laps at 3:am for the Global Warming Bill. If Repugs had done this there would have been riots in the streets by the Democraps, but when they do it is is because the Repubs lost and we need to "face the facts" of the lost.

    Tell me just who is NOW doing great damage to our country?

  • RedShirt
    June 27, 2009 7:51 a.m.

    TO "Re Obama the teacher | 7:20 p.m." here goes. John Kerry didn't get special treatment, he was awarded purple hearts for injuries that most soldiers consider minor. My source for that was from some retired army officers that were in Vietnam. (not swift boaters either)

    Al Gore has invested in a software company that has developed software to track CO2 emission. He also owns "Generation Investment Management" which just happens to be a carbon Trading Company.

    Obama was one of the plaintiff lawyer in the case "Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank Fair Housing/Lending/Insurance

    Docket / Court 94 C 4094 ( N.D. Ill. ) FH-IL-0011 State/Territory Illinois"

  • short memories
    June 27, 2009 7:47 a.m.

    Reds like Redshirt like to use the unilateral approach to everything.
    "GIVE ME EVIDENCE!" Neocons demand. (Redshirt does this all the time)
    But are hard pressed to come up with the same.

    They get this from the bogus WMD's in Iraq BS.
    Remember that?
    Sad way to through life if you ask me.

  • @ Obama the teacher
    June 27, 2009 1:18 a.m.

    You contradict yourself. First you imply Red Shirt is using logic, history and statistics to defend his "legitimate" views. Now you are saying he is just expressing his opinion. Which is it? opinion or facts?
    I would challenge Red Shirt's use of "history, statistics and logic." They rarely reflect the "facts." Sources of information are always important. Surely you wouldn't accept "facts" spouted by Keith Olbermann now would you?

  • Obama the teacher
    June 26, 2009 9:19 p.m.

    Yes, let's make Red Shirt write a thesis every time he expresses an opinion, with quotes, references and cross-references, footnotes, bibliography, and irrefutable mathematical notations, all within his allotted 200 words. And if he doesn't, then just dismiss it with mockery and demands for sources, not with any substantive rebuttal.

    Somehow, I don't imagine your high standards apply to any assertions made by those on the left.

  • shecky
    June 26, 2009 7:30 p.m.

    Say what you will. I'm still relieved that Uncle George has gone back to Texas. And by the way, wasn't it Bush who was in a big hurry to bailout the failed banking system? How selective our memories.

  • Re Obama the teacher
    June 26, 2009 7:20 p.m.

    So let's ask Red Shirt what he uses as sources.
    What source did he use to suggest that John Kerry got special treatment in being awarded Purple Hearts?
    What was his source to suggest that Obama was involved with a lawsuit to force a bank to make BAD loans?
    What was his source to show that Al Gore has personally become a billionaire as a result of his support of global warming?
    What was his source which said Timothy Geithner wrote tax code?

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 6:23 p.m.

    I don't see RedShirt as an "evil" person any more than Dick Cheney is an "evil" person.

    But one reaps what they sow don't they?

    Less is more, Red.

  • Push harder? Uh, no....
    June 26, 2009 6:17 p.m.

    "Tracey | 5:32 p.m. June 26, 2009
    America is blessed that God has send us such a great leader in President Obama to guide us through these troubled times. We all need to get onboard and do our part too. The pickle suckers need to quite their crying and put their shoulder to the wheel an take a positive attidute. Yes, we can."

    Tracey -

    Just what, exactly, is the value of "putting your shoulder to the wheel" of a train that is heading off a cliff?

    Obama may mean well but in the real world you can't PERFORM well if you're clueless. Like they say, "knowledge is power" and Obama simply lacks much of the knowledge required to perform adequately for the world's greatest nation.

  • Bill in Payson
    June 26, 2009 6:05 p.m.

    Is this a private fight or can anyone join in???

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 6:03 p.m.

    Hard to figure out why conservatives hate a president that is intelligent, compassionate, and 100% American.
    But look who they voted for previously.

  • family values?
    June 26, 2009 5:56 p.m.

    With the Idaho guy propositioning another guy in the airport men's room, McCain dumping his ill wife for a richer, younger one, two GOP governor's living apart from their wives and family ... looks like the Democrats are the newly christened family-values party.

  • Tracey
    June 26, 2009 5:32 p.m.

    America is blessed that God has send us such a great leader in President Obama to guide us through these troubled times. We all need to get onboard and do our part too. The pickle suckers need to quite their crying and put their shoulder to the wheel an take a positive attidute. Yes, we can.

  • Reason
    June 26, 2009 5:13 p.m.

    Why do I get the impression that many of the barbs against RedShirt were written by the same person? It sounds like our good ol' Anonymous again. Yes, I realize that the name Anonymous is used if you dont enter a name, but this one is different.

    The writing of THIS Anonymous is usually easy to recognize, even when he (she?) posts under different names. He posts frequently on these forums, but contributes nothing to the discussion, and offers only taunts and insults. He only makes himself look petty. He reminds me of a little irrelevant dog who yaps constantly and nips at the heels of adults who are attempting to engage in an intelligent debate. I just roll my eyes, smile, and ignore the yapping.

    Re: the original letter writer: Good letter.

  • Obama the teacher
    June 26, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    All the Redshirt bashers out there must be taking their lessons from Obama. Any time a legitimate complaint is made of policies using history, statistics, and logic, the only comeback is a bunch of dismissive "LOL, Rushbaugh, Hannity-lover, Faux News brainwashed, neocon, last 8 years of Bush, etc., etc.," with no logical or reasonable rebuttal to your point. The intent is to cleverly marginalize and diminish your credibility, and create an impression that they are so enlightened that your arguments are not even worthy of a rebuttal other than mockery. Obama is a master at this, hoping that what is lost to his worshipers is the fact that he has offered no reasoned rebuttal.

    ...And when their policies ultimately fail miserably according to historical precedent, they will still blame you.

  • the truth
    June 26, 2009 4:44 p.m.

    republican get in to sex scandals

    DEMOCRATS get inot sex scandals,

    Bush may have done wrong,

    Obama IS doing wrong,

    two wrongs do not make it right.

    Logic simple enough even a liberal SHOULD understand it.

  • @Redshirt 4:10
    June 26, 2009 4:38 p.m.

    Yeah, that's all they've got.

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 4:37 p.m.

    I love Obama. I figure that all you extremeist need to just chill out.

  • Hypocrisy
    June 26, 2009 4:28 p.m.

    Fredrick and other fellow Conservatives.

    who's your alternative? So you want to already boot Obama after only 6 months calling him a failure and STILL reserving judgment on Bush even after 8 years of disaster. So who's the alternative? Who should we put in place after Obama is shown the door?

    George Bush? Dick Cheney? Sarah Palin? Mitt Romney?

    See, it's all about realistic solutions. This is one of the main reasons why the GOP has been losing in states that used to be their strongholds.

  • To Shirt hannity 4:10
    June 26, 2009 4:27 p.m.

    Yeah way to bring it tough on that post. You could have at least brought NEENER NEENER. What did you learn from Hannity today, What "news" did he spew today. I guess we'll have to wait till Monday to hear "your" thoughts.

  • sounds like a teacher
    June 26, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    Redshirt is starting to sound like a jaded junior high school teacher who gets off on giving failing grades to everyone for not doing the assigned homework.


  • Dear RedShirt
    June 26, 2009 4:22 p.m.

    I think they might be jealous of your vast knowledge They are envious that they do not know everything about everything like you do.

  • Redshirt not evil
    June 26, 2009 4:20 p.m.

    I don't see Redshirt as "evil" (that's a conservative ploy) just a willingly brainwashed, sad and lonely human being who cannot accept reality (overwhelming support for the new administration).
    Yes, Virginia, there are still some (neocons)around.

  • re: Redshirt
    June 26, 2009 4:14 p.m.

    Redshirt making demands as if he sits in judgement of it all.
    This is typical of neocons and why they are doomed to self-righteous failure. (except in Utah)

  • RedShirt
    June 26, 2009 4:10 p.m.

    To "Anonymous | 3:26 p.m." and "re: Redshirt | 3:31 p.m." is that all you have?! I bring out quotes, points of history and other such verifiable things, and this is all you have to come back with?!

  • RedShirt's awesome kiss his boot
    June 26, 2009 4:09 p.m.

    To: Anonymous @ 11:09 a.m.

    "Dear RedShirt: I think you should volunteer for South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford's re-election campaign.

    Your hypocrisy is perfectly suited for it."

    I am sure he would be happy to do so but he is to busy trolling the internet and posting nonsense. If he is going to be busy with Sanford's campaign then we will not have the blessing of reading his long winded and moronic posts since he won't have time to make any.

    Please don't leave us RedShirt. We are enlightened by your posts and would sorely miss your wisdom, knowledge and humor. We love to read your posts and hear your justify your evil votes for evil people who agree with your evil opinions.

    I am sure our founding fathers loved to read the op-eds of British voters who supported their right to vote to harm Americans. I am sure that they truly enjoyed reading the rationale for why Britain had the right to start wars of aggression that caused innocent Americans to die.

    The modern day neocons and conservatives in Iran and the U.S. would be at home in pre-Revolutionary Britain

  • Pot calling kettle
    June 26, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    Frederick Anderson wrote: "President Barack Obama is an angry man."

    Mr. Anderson, look in the mirror. It's called "projection," projecting your feelings onto another person.

  • re: Redshirt
    June 26, 2009 3:31 p.m.

    And the childish Limbaugh-sounding nonsense continues.

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 3:26 p.m.

    By the pathetic postings of neocons like RedShirt above, it must be agonizing for the modern American conservative movement to have nothing to look forward to in 2012 other than a Palin/Limbaugh ticket.
    This might explain their non-stop weird nature.

  • to: Red Shirt
    June 26, 2009 3:24 p.m.

    While the addition of Palin to the Republican ticket excited many Conservatives, it resulted in the defection of many moderates. Hard to see how the Republicans can become a national party when their base support is so narrow.

  • To Bucky Jay
    June 26, 2009 3:14 p.m.

    Obama good, Bush bad... Corporations greedy, government good... America broken, the rest of the world good... Conservatives bad, liberals good...

    A pathetic and predictable discourse, as usual.

  • MrH
    June 26, 2009 3:08 p.m.

    Oh the sour grapes and pity parties of writers like this...too funny. Anyone who does not share his narrow view must be shown the door... too sad. Time to grow up dear sir.

  • To redbaugh
    June 26, 2009 2:56 p.m.

    If you had payed any attention to the final results you would know that the uptick when Palin was named was very short lived. As soon as most sane republicans found out more about her they dropped like rocks is the polls. Nice try though, you can now return to the hannity hour.

  • Grover
    June 26, 2009 2:56 p.m.

    I get it now..."show him the door"! Right, like in he doesn't belong in the oval office, he should be holding the door for the real POTUS. Ok, with that corrected focus ask yourself what would have made people overwhelmingly both in electoral and popular vote make your doorman candidate the new President?Only the complete and total failure of his predecessor and the "loyalty above all" defense of his record by his party. Get used to it.

  • To redshirt and idahoan
    June 26, 2009 2:31 p.m.

    Way to pat yourself on the back....(same Person)

  • RedShirt
    June 26, 2009 2:15 p.m.

    To "Palin/Limbaugh ticket | 1:34 p.m." actually it was Republican trying to be better "Progressives" than the Democrats that killed their party. If you reviewed the last presidential race, McCain did better against Obama once he added Palin to the ticket. That brought back many conservatives to consider voting for him.

    If you paid attention to the campain, rather than just sitting back and enjoying that tingly feeling that runs up your leg when Obama speaks, you would have seen the reports.

  • Palin/Limbaugh ticket
    June 26, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    With people like Redshirt speaking for the conservative movement, that movement is clearly doomed.
    Keep up the good work Rush, er, I mean, Red.


  • Amen Anonymous 10:54
    June 26, 2009 1:12 p.m.

    You made some excellent points.

    I was a registered independent for over 30 yrs, voting on both sides of the political spectrum. I became a Democrat in 2006. It is sad to see what has become of the Republican Party. When Republican leaders are apologizing to Limbaugh it is clear Republicans have lost their way. How ironic that so many Mormons are Republicans when the Republican presidential candidate was a divorcee and they rallied around the VP candidate whose unmarried, teenage daughter was pregnant, while assailing the family man, Barack Obama.
    What responsibility do Republicans take for the past 8 years?

  • Hatuletoh
    June 26, 2009 12:49 p.m.

    It's Utahan pontificate on presidential politics. It was funny when Rocky Anderson protested against George Bush, and it's funny to hear the cries of "socialism!" from the other side. Owing to our small population and intransigent insistance on voting 'R' in all national elections, US presidents only come here when they're Republican and in need of a friendly crowd to pat on them on the back. Even then, they don't actually care about our opinions. And why should they?

    Put briefly, Mr. Anderson's opinion doesn't matter and neither does mine.

  • Letter....
    June 26, 2009 12:42 p.m.

    of the year!

  • DBG
    June 26, 2009 12:13 p.m.

    @RedShirt:Certainly the "seeds" were planted after the turn of the 20th Century. However, I was merely pointing out that Congress authorized this "sieze" under TARP, which was under Bush's watch. This could have been avoided and let these businesses fail if these bailouts never occured. At least Obama is standing up for the taxpayer's money. And placing accountability squarely on the shoulders of the CEOs.

  • JN
    June 26, 2009 12:05 p.m.

    Hey, Indiana, you sound pretty angry and hateful yourself.

    Take the emotion out of it and listen to the argument, provide a reasonable justification for what you believe, THEN we'll have something to discuss. Throwing words around it easy, thinking and reasoning is hard

  • To Km
    June 26, 2009 12:04 p.m.

    Do you think Bush didn't use a teleprompter. You could see his beady little eyes squint when he was focusing in on a word. He would stutter and stammer and then mispronounce the word that he most likely didn't know the definition of.

  • Demosthenes
    June 26, 2009 12:02 p.m.

    As the unemployment rate continues to rise, the stock and real estate markets continue to flounder, with Federal deficits putting the next 2 generations in massive debt, and with inflation looming on the near horizon, the next election cycles will certainly measure the American people's satisfaction with Obama's "hope and change."

    To all letter writers: If you want to make a point effectively, stick to facts and logic. Labeling and name-calling won't change anyone's mind--they tell more about the writer than the subject of the letter.

  • Keep OBAMA!
    June 26, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    Look at all Obama has done or can do: Raised the car industry from the dead, calm the weather with his signature, give back our health with his promises, and turn debt (water) into properity (wine). I was a doubter before, but now I know, HE IS THE MESSIAH!!

  • @Idahoan
    June 26, 2009 12:00 p.m.

    The leftist posters on here would like to smother Redshirt. He just shines too much light.

  • Idahoan
    June 26, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    Anonymous of 11:09: Did you not read RedShirt say he is more inclined to vote Libertarian? How do you get off saying he's hypocritical? He pointed out the problematic Democrats. He didn't say there weren't any problematic Republicans. By indicating his willingness to vote Libertarian, he isn't siding with the Republicans. He's pointing out that both parties have their problems.

  • RedShirt
    June 26, 2009 11:33 a.m.

    TO "Anonymous | 10:57 a.m." how about this. Obama is following Hoover and FDR for this recession. Those two presidents did nothing to help the depression, and actually made things worse.

    Hoover started massive infastructure projects, which had no effect on the economy.

    Next, we had FDR and his protectionist tarrifs, wage controls, price controls through the blue eagle, the "Alphabet soup" government offices, and a host of other things intended to make things better, which actually did nothing to help. Obama is doing nearly the same things.

    Obama put into the stimulus act the "Buy American" provisions, which are causing other nations to not-buy american at the same time. Obama is enacting wage controls on any company that receives stimulus money. He is adding or expanding existing government programs faster than FDR built his "Alphabet soup" empire.

    The problem lies in the fact that Europe didn't do what Hoover and FDR did, and, for the most part was done with the depression by 1933. The US lingered in the depression until around 1939 or 1940. What I don't want to see is a repeat of the depression where massive ineffective government programs were experimented with.

  • KM
    June 26, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    Why not show him the door by taking his teleprompter away, so whoever is behind his words will just go away... ditto with his blackberry.

  • nothing
    June 26, 2009 11:21 a.m.

    wrong with being angry at the America hating left.
    If I hear "at least give this administration a chance" again, I am going to blow chunks!
    He has been given a chance to show just how Marxist he is. Who would have guessed with his associations and upbringing? He has spent our childrens future and thats just OK with the ME crowd. Well the "chickens are comming home to roost" as one of Obamas spiritual advisers once said.
    I say Prepare for that which is about to come to the formerly most free country in the world.

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 11:09 a.m.

    Dear RedShirt:

    I think you should volunteer for South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford's re-election campaign.

    Your hypocrisy is perfectly suited for it.

  • Hilarious republicans
    June 26, 2009 11:05 a.m.

    Blind to their own myriad inadequacies. Blind to the current ruination caused by their puppet Bush. I would like to see them offer up a candidate that we could be proud of, but every one they can find is a bigger joke than the last. See "Replacements" comment above.
    The GOP as we know it is dead...stinking. It is an empty, mindless, lost shell of it's former self.
    The few remaining stragglers can offer up nothing and no one of substance, so they throw darts at the current administration.
    Weak, embarassing, and completely predictable.
    RIP GOP. You are gone. Valueless, insignificant, passe, trite, rotting, without merit.
    You had your chances for 8 years, and all we did was slide further into the abyss. Thanks a lot GOP.
    We have seen your work, and it benefits few, and hurts many. You lost. Now go sit in the corner and be quiet.
    Good riddance. Now leave us alone as we clean up your mess.

  • to the letter writer@10:04
    June 26, 2009 11:05 a.m.

    you may want to go back and read the letter the letter writer is the one that used the word hate to begin with in reference to Obama. You can't through stink bombs then get made if you come out smelling bad.
    you may also want to read hear hear's post.

  • K2
    June 26, 2009 11:00 a.m.

    Sorry, but don't have anything in rebuttal - folks like you are hopeless. "...shown the door....", let's just wait til the next presidential election or better yet, let the President serve this great country under very trying circumstances. Have we forgotten the Who's Who that put us in this inherited mess?

  • RedShirt
    June 26, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    To "Gordon | 10:20 a.m." the UAW has a higher labor cost per hour than the non-UAW plants. There are studies out that show that both make about the same amount of money per hour. The problem lies with the union and union rules.

    Within the UAW, if a worker's job it to put the knobs on a dash board, that is all that worker can do, even if it takes him 4 hours to do what the UAW quota says he can do in 8 hours. In a non-union job a worker could put knobs on cars for 4 hours, then head over to lug-nuts on tires. The non-union worker could do more in an 8 hour shift than a single union worker. This alone saves on the cost of a car. Then, you add in the union mandated benefits that are better than what the engineers receive, and in the end, unions add about $2000 to the price of a new car. So, for UAW manufacturers to compete with non union companies they have to cut corners and lower quality.

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    Conservative economics like the Commodities Futures Modernization Act created Enron and the recession. It was Phil Gram.

    Once conservatives dis a great job passing the blame for Nixon's recession on Carter and their "Arkansas Project" even had Limbaugh's listeners believing the Clinton's murdered Vince Foster.

    Today conservative liars are trying to stick Obama with their depression. They know their willing idiots well. Play on hate. Come up with stupid stories about birth certificates. Name calling works. Conservatives, like school children, love to name call. Play race:"the first affirmative action president."

    If he's articulate call him an elitist. If Obama is popular call him a messiah. Call the willingness to talk being weak. What if Mormons had just talked at Mountain Meadows first?

    Fairness is bad. Being intelligent is suspect. Evil can and does distort good to be bad and strives to morph bad to like good.

    Once Mormons encouraged intelligence, education and you were taught to be elite at whatever to did in your life.

  • door is open
    June 26, 2009 10:49 a.m.

    "Show Obama the door"

    The modern American conservative movement has made sure the DOOR (to the White House) was wide open.
    Thanks to the monstrosity of the last 8 years.

    And as GOP guy Colin Powell wisely pointed out, that door will again be open in 2012 as the world sees how awful the conservative movement is and reject them even more thoroughly than in 2006 and 2008.

    Thank God!

  • to: re: to the letter writer
    June 26, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    Gallup results from the 2008 election show that Republicans lost votes in all demographics. Notably, college-graduates, Midwesterners, 18-29 yr olds, and moderates. Since a lower percentage of blacks support the Republican Party in general, the fact that some blacks switched support from Republican to Democratic was not as signficant as other demographic groups.

    Obama will be the first one to accept responsibility for mistakes. But one can't ignore the fact that the condition of the country he assumed responsibility for was far different than the one Bush assumed responsibility of. Only a fool expects a 6 mon turnaround.

  • Hmm...
    June 26, 2009 10:39 a.m.

    Frederick Anderson sounds like an angry man too.

  • Hear Hear!
    June 26, 2009 10:31 a.m.

    Obama should be shown the door, along with Reid, Pelosi and all of the hating liberals now in charge. Let's hope more of us wake up before Fuhrer Obama and his hacks destroy our country beyond repair.

  • Gordon
    June 26, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    Gus: You told me so many new and important things about Obama. Things that certainly make me agree with you! After reading your letter I put my house up for sale on craigslist, shifted what little investments I have left into gold and purchased tickets to a stable off shore Caribbean state to live. By the way, is that cake chocolate?

  • Gordon
    June 26, 2009 10:20 a.m.

    You perpetuate the myth that NY Time Financial analyst, Andrew Ross Sorkin, first wrote about in that auto workers making $70 an hour. Media Matters for America reports that the $70 figure includes" health care, the projected cost of future benefits but also benefits paid to current retirees." Strange that none of you right wing "I -am- a- real- American" types ever mention that GM executives are paid obscene salary and benefit packages for companies that fail to perform. Who is the real culprit? The CEO of GM, G. Richard Wagoner, made $24 million in each of the last two years while running the company into the ground, and go a 33% increase in his base salary for this year. Alan Mulally i of Ford made $21.4 million plus $750,000 in family travel. Chrysler would not disclose Robert Mardelli's salary which is surely in the same range. The average GM worker makes about $28 an hour and as Felix Salmon writes " I can assure you that GM is not paying $42 an hour in health insurance and pension plan contributions." Even less with the shift of health care to UAW trust funds. Let the truth beknown.

  • RedShirt
    June 26, 2009 10:19 a.m.

    To "Replacements | 9:39 a.m." lets see if the Democrats have had any better in recent history.

    We have the community organizer that used discrimination laws to sue banks to either make the bank leave that area or else give out bad loans, contributing to the current crisis.

    We have the canidate that got his purple hearts as quickly as he could in Vietnam for minor injuries that most soldiers just brushed off.

    We had the canidate that has positioned himself to make billions of dollars off of global warming.

    We have the ex-president that was disbarred in his home state with a sex addiction.

    Then there is the former KKK member.

    The VP canidate that had an affair (which produced a child) with a campain staffer, and made his fortune suing Doctors and winning using junk science.

    How about the guy that was in charge of writing tax codes that couldn't pay the proper amount of taxes.

    The point is that if you want to say that there is nothing good in the Republican Party, look at what the Democrat Party is filled with first.

    Granted, I am probably more inclined to vote libertarian now than_I_was_before.

  • re: to the letter writer
    June 26, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    why is it that every time someone has an opinion that is against obama it is discarded as hate? this is the only reason he won the election everyone kept using the hate card. if you don't vote for him, you are a racist. i am sick and tired of this stupid, ignorant and uneducated baseless argument. let's look at this another way. in many states obama won over 90% of the african american vote. should we start calling blacks racist for not voting for mccain? racism works both ways, not just whites towrds blacks. so if your going to play the hate card, i call your bluff. the racism in the elction was directed towards whites. as for obama himself, i a proud to live in a country with the freedom we enjoy despite my disappointment in the people's wisdom in this matter. no more bush bashing. the mistakes obama are m aking are his own and as has been pointed out, more and more people are starting to realise it.

  • Publius
    June 26, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    This is one of the stupidest letters that the DN has printed in a long time. This guy certainly hasn't been listening to Obama -- or anyone else for that matter. He's obviously isolated in his own paranoid hate-filled little world.

    Obama has turned out to be remarkably centrist and is certainly devoted to the best in the American tradition. For heaven's sake -- just listen to the themes he keeps emphasizing.

    Fred-- get a grip, or get lost.

  • THEeyepatch
    June 26, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    Let's not think what the "Founding Fathers" opinion would be today. Let's focus on the problems at hand. I didn't vote for Obama, but we should give him a chance to get "His" plan in motion. It's way to early to show him the door. Their have been Presidents that abused their power and are revered today. Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, W, come to mind.

  • A Question.....
    June 26, 2009 9:44 a.m.

    Why when President Bush was in office was it OK to criticize, call him names, etc? Now that Mr. Obama is in office the Left demands that he be respected and allowed to do his job. Hypocrisy?

  • Replacements
    June 26, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    OK. Which Republican should we replace Obama with?
    A) The one that had an afair in Argentina?
    B) The one that had an affair with a staffer?
    C) The one that solicites sex in the men's room?
    D) The one that allowed her daughter's boyfried
    to sleep over and get her pregnant?

  • Oh Please
    June 26, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    I said a prayer for Obama this morning that he would be guided and inspired in helping our nation. And that he would be able to stay clear of the hatred of people like this letter-writer who are motivating the unbalanced among us to shoot people they don't agree with.

  • Gitmo
    June 26, 2009 9:34 a.m.

    I see no reason to close the facility in Cuba. The letter writer belongs there.

  • CEO's in charge
    June 26, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    The last 8 years the country was run into the ground with tax breaks for the mega-rich, incentives to move businesses overseas, disappearance of anti-trust laws ... a CEO's dream come true (at the expense of the rest of us).

    And the neocons STILL think all of this is just swell.


  • KM
    June 26, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    Its not a matter of "you are sore loosers" or "give him time to fix the mess." No more excuses! Bush was a fool for leaning left on fiscal matters, especially when the leftist congress was there to push our economy over the edge. Where was the veto pen? I guess Bush, who was so hated by libs, was really a lib himself. But you have to hate somebody.
    Lets see, Obama has increased the debt by a multiple of 4. He did this in 6 months and he is not even started. What does this say about the world our children will grow up in. We trust Obama to make sure the most innocent among us are executed, ( the unborn ). and now we trust this benevolent King to be compassionate with our health care and our economy? Nice!

  • Gus Talwynd
    June 26, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    Not only that, but Obama sometimes doesn't coordinate his clothes particularly well and comes off as a "less than" snappy dresser. Granted his style still is far superior to many, but there are times where his tie is a bit askew indicating that he doesn't belong in the White House. It is really his way of secretly signaling to the socialists that he is one of them.

    When he smiles, the sides of his mouth are turned up a slightly in a snear, indicating the contempt he holds American people. He doesn't smile like that when he talks to his dictator friends.

    It is doubtful that he brushes his teeth with a non-fluoridated tooth paste. Like any com-symp-lover, his use of toothpaste containing flouride (and probably tooth whitners to boot!) confirms, in no uncertain terms, that he is really a foreign agent who will take American down.

    We are in are last days being a free nation with this charlatan in office. This arugula-eating, America-hating fraud even has been know to pronounce the word "To-MA-toe" in contradiction of real, freedom-loving Americans. Talk about arrogance. He takes the cake!

  • RedShirt
    June 26, 2009 9:28 a.m.

    To "DBG | 9:06 a.m." did it really start under Bush, or was it Clinton, or Carter, or Nixon, or FDR, or Teddy Rosevelt. They all planted the seeds for what we are now seeing.

    From the creation of the Federal Reserve, to having the Federal Government become a bank that loans money to people who didn't qualify, to pushing those loans.

    The point is, if you follow the breadcrumbs back far enough you will find that it is government policies that have created the mess we are in. Now, do we trust the people who create the problems to solve them?

  • AB
    June 26, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    I have to laugh at Libdumbs saying Bush made his friends rich. How ironic. Do any of you Kool Aid drinking lefty's realize that the auto unions are the cause for the decline of the American auto industry? When the average worker earns over 60K per year to stand in a line an place knobs on a dashboard, and then wont concede when they are about to lose their industry, and Obamas answer is to throw more money at them, he is pandering to his buddies and voting bloc, rather than show some cajones and force them to either cut some salaries and perks or go belly up. So now the American tax payer gets soaked for keeping his people fat and happy. Wake up Libdumbs! Obama is no better than your nemesis Bush, in fact he is worse for this country becuase of his irresponsible fiscal blowout that we cannot possibly hope to support!

  • CB
    June 26, 2009 9:20 a.m.

    Too bad a course on Jimmy Carter wasn't taught in the schools, then there would be more understanding of what is taking place, and the end results. It's all been done before. We've had the 'green cars' before, they just didn't call them 'green'. Datsun, Toyota, etc. etc. We had a little french one that you could push off the ferry when it refused to start. Death traps on the highway.
    "Green buildings" too. Chapels without windows, shorten windows in others. Gas saving 55 miles an hour on the freeways. Been there, done it, and had to suffer through it. Too bad we have to repeat this kind of history. It's like the ad on the radio of the mom trying to tell a teen the dangers of drinking, they just keep repeating, "I Know, I Know." Well you Obama sycophants, prepare to learn.

  • To: Sue
    June 26, 2009 9:10 a.m.

    "President Obama is handling one of the worst economic crisis" There is the problem. HE should not be handling this WE should! The less the government does the better off we will be.

  • DBG
    June 26, 2009 9:06 a.m.

    @michaelh: Sorry pal, that's incorrect. This all started under Bush's watch. Congress passed TARP which gave authority to "seize" these entities. You are blaming the wrong person.

  • neocons don't care
    June 26, 2009 9:05 a.m.

    It is pathetic to see the modern American conservative movement willingly slipping further into the slime and muck each day.

    They either don't know how Rush Limbaughish they come across, or they simply don't care.

  • Bosox
    June 26, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    The US Constitution is a very important and necessary document for our country. But there is absolutely no way that this one document could have or should reflect every possible issue, event or problem that this country has and will face. The constitution is not a holy writ but it was a dang good start.
    So michaelh stop trying to tell us that this one document is all we should live by. And if I remember correctly I believe we have had a Utah republican czar or two.
    Democrats were not the only voters that put Obama into the White House. Stop being so one-sided. Our country did not get into this financial crisis in six months nor will we get out of it in six months. Give this administration as least a chance.

  • BY
    June 26, 2009 8:44 a.m.

    I wish the DesNews would publish more substantive letters as opposed to those that just engage in ad hominem nonsense. What basis does the writer have for saying that Obama "disdains America and everything it stands for" or is not "dedicated to freedom and equality"? It's one thing to disagree with the specific policies of the President, but to assert--without basis whatsoever--that he is actively anti-American and deliberately wants to "punish America" is ridiculous and does not deserve to be published. Save the space for someone who at least criticizes a policy or voices their disagreement in substantive terms.

  • How to show him the door
    June 26, 2009 8:38 a.m.

    There are various reasonable and decent methods of showing the door to elected officials:

    You wait 'til the next election and elect someone else.

    You impeach for some sufficient reason. The Senate must be prevailed upon to initiate these proceedings, and must prevail.

    Other ways to, symbolically at least, "show him the door" would be through a majority of the Congress opposing one or more of his desired goals. This may be because he exceeds their own limits, or because the Congress actually disagrees with some key aspect of his agenda, or responds to a public outcry against some program or law promoted by the President.

  • Bucky Jay
    June 26, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    Bush good, Obama bad... Corporations good, government bad... America good, the rest of the world bad... Conservatives good, liberals bad...

    A pathetic and predictable discourse, as usual.

  • ds
    June 26, 2009 8:18 a.m.

    Obama was elected by the America. How were you going to "show him the door"?

  • Grimble
    June 26, 2009 8:18 a.m.

    Another incoherent unhinged rightwinger drunk on the wine from sour grapes.

  • Gordon
    June 26, 2009 8:11 a.m.

    To Paranoid Far Right Wingers: Attention! Attention! President Obama gets to tell the US auto industry what to do, because our representatives voted Detroit a fat bailout, for which in return we the people now own a majority of GM! For too long Detroit as dragged it corporate tail trying to keep change from happening. Now it will! The Founding Fathers never wrote anything about Detroit because they could not have conceived for such an industry. They mostly embraced Tom Jefferson's idyllic social construct of a nation of independent, self sufficient farmers. Michael: I don't think you can compare the giant agribusinesses and millionaire farmers of California's central valleys with the Kulaks. The kulaks were peasants, the subsidies these California agri-giants receive put them in the regal class. Had Bush and Cheney not engineered this economic crisis with weak bank regulation and wasted money on war in the Iraq, President Obama and Congress would not be taking such historically significant actions in the first place. I love your myopic view of the situation. It makes me laugh! Please see a good optometrist, it make you feel better when you can view reality without your distortions.

  • Just give them a tax cut
    June 26, 2009 7:59 a.m.

    If we just gave this letter writer and everyone else a tax cut, we'd all be happy! That's the GOP way!

    Go Bristol Palin! You go girl!

  • Grover
    June 26, 2009 7:54 a.m.

    Why is it that whenever a DNews letter mentions "the founding fathers", I feel the need to turn the page? I am sure the founders were nice guys and all, but they were after all politicians and divided fiercely into partisan camps at that. This letter trying to connect the fathers, the auto bailout and the President takes the cake. Next.

  • to: orders from headquarters
    June 26, 2009 7:49 a.m.

    I am beginning to think it is the democrats who have no minds. Falling at the feet of Obama and worshipping his every word and deed. At least try and be objective.

    I for one was very unhappy with President Bush and I am a conservative. Just because Obama is different does not make him better. He will destroy your freedoms and you are kissing his feet as he does it.

  • Dear Mr. Anderson
    June 26, 2009 7:42 a.m.

    Ahhhh. The shoe is on the other foot now. Had we only been able to show Pres. Bush-league the door so early in his tenure.....
    We would have hundreds of trillions of extra dollars not frittered away on lies, un-needed wars, and lining the pockets of his fat-cat Repub cronies.
    Sorry pal. Grin and bear it.

  • Voting people to death is okay
    June 26, 2009 7:34 a.m.

    Re: orders from headquarters

    "Then what the [blank] would you call "ordering" an illegal, immoral and unwinnable war?"

    That's different. Ordering other people's children to fight and die in a preemptive war against another country which did not attack us is fine but ordering a business to do something or not get any government help is a horrible thing.

    "Neocons have clearly lost their minds."

    Once you realize that they are always right and that they can vote on who lives and dies then everything will be fine. Also, make sure you don't go anywhere near their money. That's off limits but they will tax us to their hearts delight and use our taxes to advance their own interest and in the process they may even make sure a few thousand of us die in wars of aggression so they have a higher chance of winning an election the next time they vote.

    To sum up their position in one word: ME

    If it doesn't have to do with them then it doesn't matter but if it benefits them it is good and if a few thousand people die so be it.

  • stevo
    June 26, 2009 7:32 a.m.

    Yo Fredrick, move along Rush will be on in a couple of hours!

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 7:27 a.m.

    It's too bad that Frederick does not buy into the whole democracy thing. There was an election. The President won overwhelmingly. Frederick will have his chance to vote for or against the President in 2012. Then America will choose again. Frederick, that is democracy, the system we have. Your hatred is palpable, evidenced by this letter and the others you have written. You might want to reign it in, because, like it or not, the President is in office and will remain so. Instead of viciously attacking, why don't you affirmatively promote your own candidate for the next election. And explain why instead of calling names and making completely false statements. Tyr it sometime. Maybe you could actually study about our system of government, too.

  • Out there
    June 26, 2009 7:24 a.m.

    Qualities like leadership and oratory skills are certainly to be seen as alien in Utah. Put the tinfoil hat back on, they're coming to get you!

  • orders from headquarters
    June 26, 2009 6:45 a.m.

    "President Obama "ordered" the car industry to make green cars. The Founding Fathers called this tyranny."

    Then what the [blank] would you call "ordering" an illegal, immoral and unwinnable war?
    Neocons have clearly lost their minds.

  • evolutionfish
    June 26, 2009 6:30 a.m.

    Paranoid much?

  • michaelh
    June 26, 2009 6:26 a.m.

    Amen, amen and amen.
    He violates his oath of office nearly every minute. What has the Obama administration done that is constitutional? All the Czars? The seizing of the banks, manufacturing, financial take over, medicine, firing CEO's , setting pay and bonuses? Where in the constitution is he given this power? I can show you the articles that make what he has done and is doing ILLEGAL. Is this the CHANGE you voted for Democrats? Power to the dictator? You really want this? He is starving out the Californian farmers just like the Kulak's were starved out of their farms in Russia. When are you going to wake up? Look at Iran see how hard it is to get your freedom back once it is lost?

  • to the letter writer
    June 26, 2009 6:14 a.m.

    Someone clearly hates America but I am not sure its Obama. Why so much hate and anger towards our fairly elected president or democratic voting process and the majority of Americans who voted for him?

  • Oh brother...
    June 26, 2009 5:39 a.m.

    Mr. Anderson,

    We get it that you don't like President Obama. Many Utahns don't. OK, fine, you're entitled to your opinion.

    The fact remains that the "door" that the majority of American voters showed Mr. Obama was the door leading into the White House. Deal with that fact.

    It's called democracy.

    I think he's doing a fine job as President.

  • I'm PROUD
    June 26, 2009 5:18 a.m.

    President Obama makes this American PROUD once more. The arrogant thieves of Bushco are GONE! There is hope for our country despite people like red-ranters who entertain us with their letters to DES NEWS.

  • 2012
    June 26, 2009 5:05 a.m.

    One and done, door closed and a lot of Americans will right the ship Left or Right, even those that voted for the guy are starting to see the holes in his agenda. Stay tuned!

  • AndyDad
    June 26, 2009 4:57 a.m.

    When you say the founding fathers sought equality with the Declaration of Independence. . .did that include their slaves? No? Oh. . so you are lying then.

    When you are saying the president ORDERED the car industry to change. . .how did he go about doing this? Pressure that they so richly need? Well that isn't ordering. A president can't "order" the car industry to do that. So you lied again.

    So why should anyone believe your silly opinions? I have a feeling you are still hurting that your "team" lost so bad in November. Poor sweetie.

  • Indiana
    June 26, 2009 4:34 a.m.

    you are so right on all counts Frederick... too bad America was so stupid as to buy into the "change" mantra imposed on them by the antry, hateful left. The price was way too high and apparently going to go higher!

  • Sue
    June 26, 2009 12:41 a.m.

    Don't we need green cars, isn't it in everyones best interest? We all have bosses that tell us what to do everyday. Let's be fair here, President Obama is handling one of the worst economic crisis we have had if not the worst. I applaude him for getting the right things done at no one's expense and nearly everyone's benefit. The auto makers should have been on top of this years ago. Remember they didn't want to give up their private jets or make financial concessions, they just got a little encouragement.

  • Obsess much?
    June 26, 2009 12:15 a.m.

    Wow ... I can't imagine that the Founding Fathers had much to say about the auto industry, since cars didn't come along until much later. Take a chill pill. It's going to take more than a few months to undo the untold damage to the U.S. that Bush inflicted over the past eight years.