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Could 'excited delirium' be cause of deaths?
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A defibulator of some type should be dispatched with a car that carries a police officer with a taser. The other alternative is not to use tasers in non deadly situations. I hope the widow of this man can help others by getting this done in an settlement. Hospic not allowed in a hospital, unless they were requested. That is until changed, but the hospital had to be sued for them to concede the need for them.
A cover up for a fellow officer and policy's is out of line.
If the widow wants to give a walk for this fine.
I just don't see how she could with any type of a conscious.
Utah Police sometimes go overboard? What exactly do you call overboard? Have you ever been accused of going overboard when you knew the claim was bogus? Really?
Have you ever been a police officer? Have you even bothered to go through the UHP citizens academy so you can know what they go through and know what you are talking about?
They have precious little time to play 20 questions, ask if the guy wants a latte, or get him a comfy pillow. Really, you should tell us where this documentation is you refer to about tasers killing people.
Making random claims like that have no teeth and are usually bogus. Did you get it off of a 9/11 conspiracy site? Do you believe that Bush took the towers down? Was it an inside job? Really?
This case HAS NOT BEEN DOCUMENTED as to cause of death yet. It may have NOTHING to do with the taser. Really, you should figure that part out first.
Really.
You know what... even his wife, Anna locked him out of the car, she didn't want him to be near their daughter. Obviously she was scared, just listen to her 911 call, you hear her fear not only that he was cabable of hurting himself, but motorists passing by. You can hear the fear YET LOVE in her voice for her husband, yet she knew he was freakin' out!!! Her voice is full of love for him!
So... before you blame officers of the law, go to law enforcement school, get out on the streets put yourself into situations as they do daily! THEN start talking about what they should do in ANY given situation!
btw I am not in law enforcment, and don't have family in law enforcement either, but I am thankful we have those who are willing to put their lives on the line EVERYDAY for our safety.
Now.... understand I know there are some "bad cops" out there, but by and large they are a minority!
My heart goes out to a wife, children, parents and siblings who have lost Brian, but.... BLAME WILL GET US NO WHERE!
To address a post by ANNONYMOUS "The other alternative is not to use tasers in non deadly situations."
You can be sure that if it is indeed a "deadly situation" the Taser will most certainly NOT be an option. By definition a "deadly situation" is one likely to produce death to the officer or another person. At that point, a deadly situation is met with deadly force, not a Taser.
A man pulls off all his clothes and runs into traffic.
Lets see.... Should I call 911,
Police or try to get him dressed?
You guessed right- The police.
The fact is that this man died immediately after being tased, and this is not an isolated incident. Tasers are obviously dangerous as they send shock through the body that takes you off your feet screaming in pain. I don't think that EVER happens when you touch a door knob. I think the police should stop taking the questions surrounding tasers as a personal affront and get on board with trying to make sure that people do not die in non-deadly situations, which obviously the police felt this situation was because they did not shoot this man. Let's call for dispassionate studies and tight policies regarding taser use.
I'm sure a death like this causes those using tasers to evaluate their policies.
It seems other news outlets said the other officers after arriving discussed how they could make the tasering look warranted. So which is it?
I wasn't there, were you? I say that because you speak as if you were there and you are stating fact. Tell me, how is it you know the first was not justified? And, the second? Did you conduct an autopsy on Mr. Cardall to state your conclusion that it was the second shock that killed him? Please support your claims. I would love to hear them.
In your perfect little world, have you ever had to go face to face with a person whom you cannot reason with and it was your job to take that person into custody for their safety and yours and to do so without you getting injured as well? I'm guessing you haven't. You would have called the police to deal with such a problem, so don't second guess them unless you are willing to put yourself in the exact same position. Done.
I have been in the business for 39 years.
Any questions?
These people that are getting Tased are totally out of control and a threat to those around them.
I agree with the officers comment that their lives are at risk 24/7 and they are not all knowing and or clairvoyant. Even people with medical conditions that cause their current state are a threat. The officers need to adopt a defensive and protective position. Help and protect others and themselves. The laws of nature are their boundaries and it is very unfortunate for those involved.
Some police agencies in this state refuse to enforce a law and claim it will cause mistrust of officers? And this doesn't
Tasers are a good tool. Although this was an unfortunate incident, Tasers save more lives than they take. Many have said the officer should have tackled Cardall or simply 'put handcuffs on him'. Those people obviously have never wrestled with a mentally ill person, let alone having to wrestle one while trying to keep them from taking your gun out of your holster. This is real life and things are not as easy as they are on TV.
If we as the public can't find people willing to work for us and protect us without them using dangerous or excessive force and with out being rude, then we may have to be willing to accept force and abusive behavior, but not yet!
You need to realize that what you're hearing is outrage from your employers. We're not satisfied with your behavior. Change your attitude and behavior or quit.
To those of you who are police who are upset with being portrayed as "Bad Guys" I ask, where were you when I was working downtown, watching as a man was handcuffed and then beaten. As soon as they realized they were seen I was arrested and thrown in jail. I was threatened with felony prosecution for asking for an attorney. No charges were filed and I was eventually allowed to go on my way. Sadly, this is not the only case, I have spoken to others who have had the saem thing happen.
The problem with police officers is that they refuse to admit that some of them should never have been issued a badge in the first place. Also they see most people as a criminal. As long as you allow some of your officers to violate laws and rights you will all be painted with the same bruch. Deal with it.
Inthe meantime will continue to distrust cops and their actions.
Does this mean you also stand by the need for the SECOND tasing [i.e., absolutely necessary, life threatening situation, no other options available, etc.???]
Yes? or No?? please.
Now with that said, I wish over the years that I would have had something other than a gun, a stick, of my hands.
Mental subjects sometmes can be talked down, most times however they maintain their state of mind and need to be forced. In my day this ment a good old fist fight or the use of a batton, and always required the need for extra officers. People with mental problems usually have an increased level of stregenth and a resistance to pain.
Would I have used a taeser in this incident? I don't know, I was not there and the tapes do not show physical acts by Mr. Cardall.
Would I have used one in my career? Yes many times. physical confrontation seldom has a winner. Mr. Cardall may have been beaten severly in this sitation. Better than dead ? yes. Still ridiculed? YES
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this event was unfortunate for sure.