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Published: Tuesday, June 16 2009 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Are you serious?

The earth is overpopulated with humans. There are several reasons for this, but the biggest one is that people in under-educated regions of the world believe it is okay to over-procreate.

Because of this over-abundance of PEOPLE, the decisions we make absolutely affect the well-being of our planet. Like it or not, we have taken on a role of stewardship. Regardless of the scientific basis on which climate change is based, the underlying truth is that we are mismanaging the place in which we all live. Efficient use of resources and the promotion of healthy lifestyles is something that would benefit everyone.

Free thinker

It looks like Herbert is one of those who think global warming is a political question. Everything good is republican and everything bad is democrat. Just what Utah needs, another politician who decides all issues based on political party.

Japan

when you pepole make light of what man can do to the earth ask the japanese in the citys that we used the atomic bombs on. Bush changed the name of global warming to climate change. The polution levels in salt lake are the worst in my life, and are getting worse. This is caused by automobiles and trucks and pepole are having more breathing problems. The climate is different look at this moth how wet it is, and its still spring by the way.

bdub

Whenever a group declares "the debate is over!", they are just acknowledging that they have reached the shallow depth of their argument and cannot keep going with the discussion. The fact is, no one knows what will happen with natural environment in the future. Should humankind be wise stewards of the environment? yes! Polution is bad and we should be looking for efficiencies in our productiona and use of energy.

Should panic fueled by power grabbing policy makers make us give up freedoms of commerce, socialize the world economy, and otherwise take away opportunity from future generations? No.

As long as there is continuing thought and progression of knowledge, the debate over anything is never over.

goforit

I said Utah County. Cuts in air pollution in US cities over recent decades have added an average of five months of life to their inhabitants, BBC News reported today. It said that a study had matched air pollution in 51 cities with the life expectancy of their inhabitants between 1980 and 2000. It found that people in cities with the biggest shift from polluted to clean air had an average 10 months longer lifespan. Dr C Arden Pope III from the Department of Economics, Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, and colleagues from Harvard carried out this research. The work was funded by a number of grants from research agencies including the Association of Schools of Public Health, the Harvard Environmental Protection Agency, Particulate Matter Center, the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and funds from the Mary Lou Fulton Professorship, Brigham Young University. The study was published in the (peer-reviewed) medical journal, New England Journal of Medicine.

Political consensus = fact ?????

It is funny how polar ice caps can be melting in one region and growing larger in another, but the melting is of greater concern because it steers the more popular political agenda.
Wind power better not be the solution to all our country's needs because those things are hideous and take up lots of land (a.k.a. disturb the environment) and kill thousands of birds annually. Could you imagine seeing those hideous wind turbines everywhere that there is potential for a slight breeze. I agree that wind is one energy alternative, but lets not go to excess.

REMEMBER WHEN THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION WAS TAUGHT AS A THEORY INSTEAD OF THE GOSPEL TRUTH OF MODERN SOCIETY. REMEMBER WHEN THE BIG BANG THEORY WAS TAUGHT AS A THEORY. The way things are spoken of these things today you'd think that their is no reason to ever prove these theories as fact, because the general concensus says they are fact. The same goes for global warming I mean climate change because it is not getting any warmer.

re - Nate | 11:39 a.m

["Average global temperatures have remained constant or declined slightly each year since 2001. The peak occurred more than a decade ago (1998)."]

what's your point? the issue isn't "average global temperatures" or climate change in Utah. The issue is climate change at the polls. If you haven't figured that out yet, and Utah thinks like you do, no wonder we're in a heap of trouble.

you people are amazing. yeah - right - there's no problem. the caps are melting faster than ever in history, but it's all good....

crazy people... but I'm sure your right - Utah will be the last place to see climate change, since you're run by the "only true church" - I'm sure God will look out for you extra specially well...

re: Are you serious?

So what do we do to solve the over-population of humans problem? Can we send you to the gas chamber first?

utah...

lol - figures fantasy land would be run by a fantasy-boy Herbert. you all deserve each other

Knowwhat

RE - nate@11:39am.

I'm sorry but the caps are not melting faster. You better do some research and you will find that Antarctica has some areas melting but the majority of the continent is colder and has more ice that ever before. NASA website will help you with this. Also Artic ice has increased by about 30 percent since 2005. National snow and ice data center.
Stop drinking the koolaid and do the research.

GB

Let me get this straight, now you're saying that if the weather isn't exactly right on average that that's proof that we have climate change? So no matter which way it goes, you're right... unless it's the perfect, average temperature.

You remind of the African village in "The Gods musts be crazy" who had a coke bottle dropped in their village. Pretty big stretch on which to form definitive conclusions.

Grimble

How sad that we have to have this discussion over and over and over again on the DN boards.

Listen, folks, you are welcome to believe what you want, but the FACT is a study conducted by the U. of Illinois found that 97% of climate scientists think that global warming is a reality. Look it up. The people that don't believe in global warming are the people like the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine, who released a petition of global-warming doubters that contained the signatures of such respected scientists as Ginger Spice (of the Spice Girls) and several of the fictional doctors from M*A*S*H.

Herbert is right, there ARE two sides to this debate: the 97% side and the 3% side.

Those of you who continue to doubt the science on this are making your beds with the people who think dinosaurs wore saddles and that the Earth is flat.

I don't blame Huntsman for leaving. It would be frustrating trying to lead a state full of so many proudly ignorant people.

Grimble

Also, all of you who refuse to believe the science on climate change better send your angry letters to Church headquarters, since the GA's recently met with Al Gore on the issue and shortly thereafter turned off the external lights of the Salt Lake Temple in support of Earth Hour, which was a world-wide effort to raise awareness of the reality of climate change.

Aaron

Wow, what scientific proof or observations do they have to reach their conclusions? According to geological studies, when ever the earth was really warm the deserts of the earth disappeared. So how will the Southwest desert get drier and bigger, when physical geology shows a different observation? Why are some glaciers advancing and some are retreating? Why has antarctica's ice sheet been growing for the past 30 years? Why has the earth been cooling since 2001? May's global temperature in 2009 was .09 degrees Celcius, which was the same as 1979. Why have the oceans cooled for the past 5 years? When was the last continental record high broken? It was 1974 in Antarctica. Why are all of the computer models wrong with respect to our current global temps? The answers to all of my questions are out there, you just have to look int he right places to find them.

Knowwhat

Grimble, I guess you need to define what a climate scientist is. Because the 700 scientist that are disenting in the Senate Minortiy Report are surely more than that 3 percent.

Interesting pattern

While reading these comments I've noticed that Global Warming Sceptics tend to cite real research and real figures, while the Global Warming Believers resort to anti-Mormon sneers and ad hominem attacks on Governor Herbert. For example:

Sceptic: "Average global temperatures have remained constant or declined slightly each year since 2001. The peak occurred more than a decade ago (1998)."

Believer: "leave it to mormons to live in a fantasy world. right - no global warming - we should just continue down the path we've been going. and a con man in the 1800s had conversations with God, and your leaders are prophets."

It's pretty obvious to me which side of the debate is confident and sure of the facts, and which side is uncertain and increasingly desperate.

@Grimble

Well, please can you give us the date of the Church press release confirming their belief in global warming or climate change? Especially as caused by human activity? No? hmm...

The Church has always taught the members to be wise stewards of our resources. There's nothing wrong with saving energy, reducing water use, recycling, cleaning up the environment, etc. The Church just built a new Church History Library, which is in the process of receiving LEED certification. Doesn't mean that draconian measures to force all people everywhere to conserve and reduce emissions, destroying the economy in the process is a good idea.

@12:36 Are you serious?

"So what do we do to solve the over-population of humans problem? Can we send you to the gas chamber first?"

Thanks for that. I can't say I'm surprised to read a fascist allusion / implicit death threat coming out of Utah, the closest thing to Afghanistan the USA has to offer! Look at how great anti-secularism and regression are!

As for overpopulation, I don't know.. I'd say birthcontrol would be a good start?

Anonymous

"Herbert told a lobbyist who approached him at the meeting that when it comes to energy issues, "regardless of the debate on the science, I'm a capitalist.""

I think that says it all right there....

re - Knowwhat | 12:58 p.m

["I'm sorry but the caps are not melting faster. You better do some research and you will find that Antarctica has some areas melting but the majority of the continent is colder and has more ice that ever before. NASA website will help you with this. Also Artic ice has increased by about 30 percent since 2005. National snow and ice data center.
Stop drinking the koolaid and do the research"]

wow - I don't know what planet you're from, but here on earth, the poles are melting faster than ever before. I suggest you actually read some literature and scientific studies rather than just listen to your crazy govenor wanna-be...

and it's not the kool-aid - it's the idiots that think everything is ok. wow - the ignorance on this site - must be a Utah symptom...

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