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Blaine Nay | 10:25 a.m. June 16, 2009
Anyone who was awake during those basic science and geography classes back in
grade school knows that the earth has always gone through climate cycles They
know that the planet was warmer a thousand years ago than it is today. They know
about Lake Bonneville which coverer much of Utah and Nevada. They know much of
North America was covered with 4,000 feet of ice just a few thousand years ago.
They know that the oceans were once 500 feet lower than they are to day and that
man's CO2 did not cause sea level to rise to where it has been for the past
several thousand years. Anyone who has been outdoors long enough to be remotely
aware of the incredible power of the Sun (which also goes through cycles) to
heat and illuminate the earth is far more powerful even than Al Gore. To presume
that man is so powerful he can affect climate in spite of solar and earth
climate cycles is the epitome of arrogance and ignorance. I applaud Lt. Governor
Gary Herbert for staying awake in those science classes through which the
radical environmentalists and Governor Huntsman slept.
GP | 10:31 a.m. June 16, 2009
I can tell you unequivocally that CO2 is NOT a pollutant. The so-called
"scientists" who cannot understand that are on a bandwagon leading to
the destruction of America, and the world. CO2 is an important part of life.
The earth isn't going to come to an end because of it. True, the earth
will come to an end, but not because of CO2. There are thousands of scientists
who know and understand this. There are a few scientists who are afraid to
stand up for what they know is right for fear of losing their funding, and their
grants, and their jobs. Believe me, Herbert is courageous for his small voice
questioning what has been happening about this nonsense.
Sally | 10:35 a.m. June 16, 2009
How sad... we actually HAD a governor that thought for himself... and
wasn't afraid to question things... and now we are stuck with this fool...
who just walks around like a bobble head with no real thoughts... he just does
what he is supposed to do. It's a scary thing when the governor of our
state is stuck in the bubble with the rest of you idiots! I need to move.
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Would someone | 10:38 a.m. June 16, 2009
buy the guy a thermometer?
Maybe he should spend the summer in St George, when it's a hundred and plenty for weeks at a time...
Maybe he should spend the summer in St George, when it's a hundred and plenty for weeks at a time...
Dave | 10:38 a.m. June 16, 2009
Herbert will be a much better governor for our state, and has the stones to not
give into the political pressure the left has put with this "climate
change" and the impact human's have on it. How naive are you people,
you buy into this global warming crap just like you bought into BHO making a
positive impact on our society and history will show how wrong you are on both
counts.
MJH79 | 10:43 a.m. June 16, 2009
99% of real scientists? Get a grip with reality, dude or dudette. Global
warming/change hysteria is all about politics and money. Please check your
sources.
HURRAY FOR HERBERT! | 10:50 a.m. June 16, 2009
Gary Herbert has guts to tell the gullible governors in the group
(Montana's Gov. Schweitzer being a better informed exception) that he does
not buy the alarmist hysteria over global warming.
This is far from a settled fact, despite what some advocates insist. (Misled by Al Gore and others).
It appears that most of those criticizing Lt. Gov. Herbert in comments above are from outside Utah. Probably from Kalifornia. Ignore them and their foolish ways, and let us Utahns live in freedom.
Herbert is right to demand PROOF before we squander billions of dollars we don't have on unnecessary climate change stuff, or even worse, get snookered into some "cap and trade" scheme.
I look forward to voting for Gov. Herbert's re-election again and again!
This is far from a settled fact, despite what some advocates insist. (Misled by Al Gore and others).
It appears that most of those criticizing Lt. Gov. Herbert in comments above are from outside Utah. Probably from Kalifornia. Ignore them and their foolish ways, and let us Utahns live in freedom.
Herbert is right to demand PROOF before we squander billions of dollars we don't have on unnecessary climate change stuff, or even worse, get snookered into some "cap and trade" scheme.
I look forward to voting for Gov. Herbert's re-election again and again!
Re: goforit | 10:59 a.m. June 16, 2009
Unlike particulates, sulfur oxides, and ozone, carbon dioxide is not a hazardous
air pollutant. It is an inert gas that is essential for life itself; without
CO2 there would be no plants.
The levels of every one of EPA's toxic air pollutants along the Wasatch Front have decreased even as the overall CO2 emissions have increased. The two are not necessarily connected.
And your contention that Utahns die at a much higher rate than the rest of the US is false: Utah has the lowest death rate from lung cancer and other respiratory diseases in the US, largely because Utahns smoke less than anyone else in the US.
The levels of every one of EPA's toxic air pollutants along the Wasatch Front have decreased even as the overall CO2 emissions have increased. The two are not necessarily connected.
And your contention that Utahns die at a much higher rate than the rest of the US is false: Utah has the lowest death rate from lung cancer and other respiratory diseases in the US, largely because Utahns smoke less than anyone else in the US.
Al Gore? | 11:01 a.m. June 16, 2009
What makes me laugh the most about those who are convinced that Global Warming -
oops, I mean the new PC "Climate Change" is real follow obediently
behind their pied piper Al Gore. Yes Al Gore, the man who has more Faux Pas
under his belt that George W. Bush. The man who claims to have invented the
internet and many other wonderful things. How people can take this man serious
on any issue is astounding to me.
One more thing, greenhouse gasses and small particles are two different things. Many times we confuse poor air quality with greenhouse gasses. Yes they contribute, but poor air quality is usually associated with small particles that damage lungs. Part of the debate needs to include this separation.
One more thing, greenhouse gasses and small particles are two different things. Many times we confuse poor air quality with greenhouse gasses. Yes they contribute, but poor air quality is usually associated with small particles that damage lungs. Part of the debate needs to include this separation.
People say man's impact is minim | 11:07 a.m. June 16, 2009
Is this guy serious?
When has man's impact on earth EVER been minimal?
Just look at any major city today compared to 100 years ago then tell me man's impact is minimal on the environment including the climate.
When has man's impact on earth EVER been minimal?
Just look at any major city today compared to 100 years ago then tell me man's impact is minimal on the environment including the climate.
Jim | 11:08 a.m. June 16, 2009
From many of the comments, you can see what lemmings the liberals are - if one
of their idols say it, i.e. Obama, Gore, a movie star, then the debate IS over
about anything. Since when does being a politician, a star or having more money
give someone additional gray matter. The lemmings sure think so. That's
why they jump on the band wagons of "global warming", "love the
terrorists", "socialist healthcare", "only government can
solve the problems", etc. etc. etc. They never learn from history. Now,
because the lemmings have become so numerous (like a rat infestation), we have a
socialist president, a liberal agenda which can only decrease our standard of
living, and a focus on making sure terrorists and criminals live better and more
comfortable than the majority of the world's population. Not only are all
the lemmings running over the cliff together, they are pulling everyone right
along with them. They are the modern day hippies and anti-americans that caused
so much flack over getting out of Vietnam that getting their way caused the
slaughter of MILLIONS of our fellow human beings. UTOPIAS don't work. The
"smart" liberals never learn.
wow - utah | 11:12 a.m. June 16, 2009
once again the people of Utah live in a fantasy world, especially Baline Nay.
Baline - It is comforting to know that you have so much more scientific expertise than the leading experts in the world. Yes - you're quite right - man can have NO effect on the earth - we are but a speck on the environment. And magical seer stones will allow you to talk to god and there really is a special celestial kingdom for mormons....
Well, all the "no global waarming" pundits do have one thing right. Man cannot possibly kill the planet. No - the planet will be here for millions of years. All man will do is make it uninhabitable for our species, thereby creating the extinction of the human race. Probably just as well.
That's ok - it won't be me - I'll be gone in the 50 yrs it takes you to ruin the planet, and I have no children. But all you mormons, pumping out kids right and left - your kids will bear the consequences of your actions.
great politicians you all have there in Utah. Gotta love the fantasy world you have created. Good luck with that.
Baline - It is comforting to know that you have so much more scientific expertise than the leading experts in the world. Yes - you're quite right - man can have NO effect on the earth - we are but a speck on the environment. And magical seer stones will allow you to talk to god and there really is a special celestial kingdom for mormons....
Well, all the "no global waarming" pundits do have one thing right. Man cannot possibly kill the planet. No - the planet will be here for millions of years. All man will do is make it uninhabitable for our species, thereby creating the extinction of the human race. Probably just as well.
That's ok - it won't be me - I'll be gone in the 50 yrs it takes you to ruin the planet, and I have no children. But all you mormons, pumping out kids right and left - your kids will bear the consequences of your actions.
great politicians you all have there in Utah. Gotta love the fantasy world you have created. Good luck with that.
Listen To The Scientists | 11:12 a.m. June 16, 2009
Mr Herbert I thought you were going to keep the politics of one of our most
popular Governors (Huntsman) the same! You're already dividing us- climate
change is real, Utah had respect because of what Huntsman did for the image and
economics of this state. Why don't you learn from him!
Jon Huntsman I miss you- please come back and keep Utah progressing- seems most Utahan's would rather go back to the horse & buggy days- we need a Governor that will educate himself on the science before he makes such statements!
Jon Huntsman I miss you- please come back and keep Utah progressing- seems most Utahan's would rather go back to the horse & buggy days- we need a Governor that will educate himself on the science before he makes such statements!
figures | 11:20 a.m. June 16, 2009
leave it to mormons to live in a fantasy world. right - no global warming - we
should just continue down the path we've been going. and a con man in the
1800s had conversations with God, and your leaders are prophets.
no one bothers listening to your opinion on this simply because you already live in a fantasy world. your new governor simply is proving the point...
no one bothers listening to your opinion on this simply because you already live in a fantasy world. your new governor simply is proving the point...
re: Sally | 11:23 a.m. June 16, 2009
Yes, Sally, please move! And I'm sure since you are so purely protecting
our fragile earth from destruction, that when you move you won't drive a
CO2 causing automobile or fly an Airplane, so you'll likely be walking to
your new destination. Make sure to wear comfortable shoes that are produced
solely from all natural materials only (do they make such a thing?)
I'm sure your new home won't use evil electricity or CO2 causing natural gas. Its comforting to know that some people like you are protecting the Earth from destruction while others like me aren't. There is such a stark difference between the two of us.
I'm sure your new home won't use evil electricity or CO2 causing natural gas. Its comforting to know that some people like you are protecting the Earth from destruction while others like me aren't. There is such a stark difference between the two of us.
RoR | 11:25 a.m. June 16, 2009
RE Sally
Can I help you pack?
Can I help you pack?
Thinkin' Man | 11:32 a.m. June 16, 2009
Good for Herbert. There's plenty of room for scientific debate as
demonstrated by the many reputable, well-known climate scientists like Richard
Lindzen who disagree with the popular view.
The uncertainties in climate forecasting are a log bigger than the bandwagon wants to admit.
The uncertainties in climate forecasting are a log bigger than the bandwagon wants to admit.
Anonymous | 11:34 a.m. June 16, 2009
Go Gary!!!!!
2 Steps Back | 11:38 a.m. June 16, 2009
Huntsman's biggest mistake during his stay as Gov. was made before the
election when this clown got the #2 spot.
Nate | 11:39 a.m. June 16, 2009
Average global temperatures have remained constant or declined slightly each
year since 2001. The peak occurred more than a decade ago (1998).
Which computer model predicted that?
No wonder scientists are now quietly distancing themselves from global warming theory.
Which computer model predicted that?
No wonder scientists are now quietly distancing themselves from global warming theory.
Are you serious? | 11:40 a.m. June 16, 2009
The earth is overpopulated with humans. There are several reasons for this, but
the biggest one is that people in under-educated regions of the world believe it
is okay to over-procreate.
Because of this over-abundance of PEOPLE, the decisions we make absolutely affect the well-being of our planet. Like it or not, we have taken on a role of stewardship. Regardless of the scientific basis on which climate change is based, the underlying truth is that we are mismanaging the place in which we all live. Efficient use of resources and the promotion of healthy lifestyles is something that would benefit everyone.
Because of this over-abundance of PEOPLE, the decisions we make absolutely affect the well-being of our planet. Like it or not, we have taken on a role of stewardship. Regardless of the scientific basis on which climate change is based, the underlying truth is that we are mismanaging the place in which we all live. Efficient use of resources and the promotion of healthy lifestyles is something that would benefit everyone.
Free thinker | 11:48 a.m. June 16, 2009
It looks like Herbert is one of those who think global warming is a political
question. Everything good is republican and everything bad is democrat. Just
what Utah needs, another politician who decides all issues based on political
party.
Japan | 11:55 a.m. June 16, 2009
when you pepole make light of what man can do to the earth ask the japanese in
the citys that we used the atomic bombs on. Bush changed the name of global
warming to climate change. The polution levels in salt lake are the worst in my
life, and are getting worse. This is caused by automobiles and trucks and pepole
are having more breathing problems. The climate is different look at this moth
how wet it is, and its still spring by the way.
bdub | 11:56 a.m. June 16, 2009
Whenever a group declares "the debate is over!", they are just
acknowledging that they have reached the shallow depth of their argument and
cannot keep going with the discussion. The fact is, no one knows what will
happen with natural environment in the future. Should humankind be wise
stewards of the environment? yes! Polution is bad and we should be looking for
efficiencies in our productiona and use of energy.
Should panic fueled by power grabbing policy makers make us give up freedoms of commerce, socialize the world economy, and otherwise take away opportunity from future generations? No.
As long as there is continuing thought and progression of knowledge, the debate over anything is never over.
Should panic fueled by power grabbing policy makers make us give up freedoms of commerce, socialize the world economy, and otherwise take away opportunity from future generations? No.
As long as there is continuing thought and progression of knowledge, the debate over anything is never over.
goforit | 11:57 a.m. June 16, 2009
I said Utah County. Cuts in air pollution in US cities over recent decades have
added an average of five months of life to their inhabitants, BBC News reported
today. It said that a study had matched air pollution in 51 cities with the life
expectancy of their inhabitants between 1980 and 2000. It found that people in
cities with the biggest shift from polluted to clean air had an average 10
months longer lifespan. Dr C Arden Pope III from the Department of Economics,
Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, and colleagues from Harvard carried out
this research. The work was funded by a number of grants from research agencies
including the Association of Schools of Public Health, the Harvard Environmental
Protection Agency, Particulate Matter Center, the National Institute of
Environmental Health Sciences and funds from the Mary Lou Fulton Professorship,
Brigham Young University. The study was published in the (peer-reviewed) medical
journal, New England Journal of Medicine.
Political consensus = fact ????? | 12:04 p.m. June 16, 2009
It is funny how polar ice caps can be melting in one region and growing larger
in another, but the melting is of greater concern because it steers the more
popular political agenda.
Wind power better not be the solution to all our country's needs because those things are hideous and take up lots of land (a.k.a. disturb the environment) and kill thousands of birds annually. Could you imagine seeing those hideous wind turbines everywhere that there is potential for a slight breeze. I agree that wind is one energy alternative, but lets not go to excess.
REMEMBER WHEN THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION WAS TAUGHT AS A THEORY INSTEAD OF THE GOSPEL TRUTH OF MODERN SOCIETY. REMEMBER WHEN THE BIG BANG THEORY WAS TAUGHT AS A THEORY. The way things are spoken of these things today you'd think that their is no reason to ever prove these theories as fact, because the general concensus says they are fact. The same goes for global warming I mean climate change because it is not getting any warmer.
Wind power better not be the solution to all our country's needs because those things are hideous and take up lots of land (a.k.a. disturb the environment) and kill thousands of birds annually. Could you imagine seeing those hideous wind turbines everywhere that there is potential for a slight breeze. I agree that wind is one energy alternative, but lets not go to excess.
REMEMBER WHEN THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION WAS TAUGHT AS A THEORY INSTEAD OF THE GOSPEL TRUTH OF MODERN SOCIETY. REMEMBER WHEN THE BIG BANG THEORY WAS TAUGHT AS A THEORY. The way things are spoken of these things today you'd think that their is no reason to ever prove these theories as fact, because the general concensus says they are fact. The same goes for global warming I mean climate change because it is not getting any warmer.
re - Nate | 11:39 a.m | 12:35 p.m. June 16, 2009
["Average global temperatures have remained constant or declined slightly
each year since 2001. The peak occurred more than a decade ago (1998)."]
what's your point? the issue isn't "average global temperatures" or climate change in Utah. The issue is climate change at the polls. If you haven't figured that out yet, and Utah thinks like you do, no wonder we're in a heap of trouble.
you people are amazing. yeah - right - there's no problem. the caps are melting faster than ever in history, but it's all good....
crazy people... but I'm sure your right - Utah will be the last place to see climate change, since you're run by the "only true church" - I'm sure God will look out for you extra specially well...
what's your point? the issue isn't "average global temperatures" or climate change in Utah. The issue is climate change at the polls. If you haven't figured that out yet, and Utah thinks like you do, no wonder we're in a heap of trouble.
you people are amazing. yeah - right - there's no problem. the caps are melting faster than ever in history, but it's all good....
crazy people... but I'm sure your right - Utah will be the last place to see climate change, since you're run by the "only true church" - I'm sure God will look out for you extra specially well...
re: Are you serious? | 12:36 p.m. June 16, 2009
So what do we do to solve the over-population of humans problem? Can we send
you to the gas chamber first?
utah... | 12:37 p.m. June 16, 2009
lol - figures fantasy land would be run by a fantasy-boy Herbert. you all
deserve each other
Knowwhat | 12:58 p.m. June 16, 2009
RE - nate@11:39am.
I'm sorry but the caps are not melting faster. You better do some research and you will find that Antarctica has some areas melting but the majority of the continent is colder and has more ice that ever before. NASA website will help you with this. Also Artic ice has increased by about 30 percent since 2005. National snow and ice data center.
Stop drinking the koolaid and do the research.
I'm sorry but the caps are not melting faster. You better do some research and you will find that Antarctica has some areas melting but the majority of the continent is colder and has more ice that ever before. NASA website will help you with this. Also Artic ice has increased by about 30 percent since 2005. National snow and ice data center.
Stop drinking the koolaid and do the research.
GB | 1:12 p.m. June 16, 2009
Let me get this straight, now you're saying that if the weather isn't
exactly right on average that that's proof that we have climate change? So
no matter which way it goes, you're right... unless it's the perfect,
average temperature.
You remind of the African village in "The Gods musts be crazy" who had a coke bottle dropped in their village. Pretty big stretch on which to form definitive conclusions.
You remind of the African village in "The Gods musts be crazy" who had a coke bottle dropped in their village. Pretty big stretch on which to form definitive conclusions.
Grimble | 1:17 p.m. June 16, 2009
How sad that we have to have this discussion over and over and over again on the
DN boards.
Listen, folks, you are welcome to believe what you want, but the FACT is a study conducted by the U. of Illinois found that 97% of climate scientists think that global warming is a reality. Look it up. The people that don't believe in global warming are the people like the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine, who released a petition of global-warming doubters that contained the signatures of such respected scientists as Ginger Spice (of the Spice Girls) and several of the fictional doctors from M*A*S*H.
Herbert is right, there ARE two sides to this debate: the 97% side and the 3% side.
Those of you who continue to doubt the science on this are making your beds with the people who think dinosaurs wore saddles and that the Earth is flat.
I don't blame Huntsman for leaving. It would be frustrating trying to lead a state full of so many proudly ignorant people.
Listen, folks, you are welcome to believe what you want, but the FACT is a study conducted by the U. of Illinois found that 97% of climate scientists think that global warming is a reality. Look it up. The people that don't believe in global warming are the people like the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine, who released a petition of global-warming doubters that contained the signatures of such respected scientists as Ginger Spice (of the Spice Girls) and several of the fictional doctors from M*A*S*H.
Herbert is right, there ARE two sides to this debate: the 97% side and the 3% side.
Those of you who continue to doubt the science on this are making your beds with the people who think dinosaurs wore saddles and that the Earth is flat.
I don't blame Huntsman for leaving. It would be frustrating trying to lead a state full of so many proudly ignorant people.
Grimble | 1:21 p.m. June 16, 2009
Also, all of you who refuse to believe the science on climate change better send
your angry letters to Church headquarters, since the GA's recently met with
Al Gore on the issue and shortly thereafter turned off the external lights of
the Salt Lake Temple in support of Earth Hour, which was a world-wide effort to
raise awareness of the reality of climate change.
Aaron | 1:29 p.m. June 16, 2009
Wow, what scientific proof or observations do they have to reach their
conclusions? According to geological studies, when ever the earth was really
warm the deserts of the earth disappeared. So how will the Southwest desert get
drier and bigger, when physical geology shows a different observation? Why are
some glaciers advancing and some are retreating? Why has antarctica's ice
sheet been growing for the past 30 years? Why has the earth been cooling since
2001? May's global temperature in 2009 was .09 degrees Celcius, which was
the same as 1979. Why have the oceans cooled for the past 5 years? When was the
last continental record high broken? It was 1974 in Antarctica. Why are all of
the computer models wrong with respect to our current global temps? The answers
to all of my questions are out there, you just have to look int he right places
to find them.
Knowwhat | 1:31 p.m. June 16, 2009
Grimble, I guess you need to define what a climate scientist is. Because the 700
scientist that are disenting in the Senate Minortiy Report are surely more than
that 3 percent.
Interesting pattern | 1:34 p.m. June 16, 2009
While reading these comments I've noticed that Global Warming Sceptics tend
to cite real research and real figures, while the Global Warming Believers
resort to anti-Mormon sneers and ad hominem attacks on Governor Herbert. For
example:
Sceptic: "Average global temperatures have remained constant or declined slightly each year since 2001. The peak occurred more than a decade ago (1998)."
Believer: "leave it to mormons to live in a fantasy world. right - no global warming - we should just continue down the path we've been going. and a con man in the 1800s had conversations with God, and your leaders are prophets."
It's pretty obvious to me which side of the debate is confident and sure of the facts, and which side is uncertain and increasingly desperate.
Sceptic: "Average global temperatures have remained constant or declined slightly each year since 2001. The peak occurred more than a decade ago (1998)."
Believer: "leave it to mormons to live in a fantasy world. right - no global warming - we should just continue down the path we've been going. and a con man in the 1800s had conversations with God, and your leaders are prophets."
It's pretty obvious to me which side of the debate is confident and sure of the facts, and which side is uncertain and increasingly desperate.
@Grimble | 1:37 p.m. June 16, 2009
Well, please can you give us the date of the Church press release confirming
their belief in global warming or climate change? Especially as caused by human
activity? No? hmm...
The Church has always taught the members to be wise stewards of our resources. There's nothing wrong with saving energy, reducing water use, recycling, cleaning up the environment, etc. The Church just built a new Church History Library, which is in the process of receiving LEED certification. Doesn't mean that draconian measures to force all people everywhere to conserve and reduce emissions, destroying the economy in the process is a good idea.
The Church has always taught the members to be wise stewards of our resources. There's nothing wrong with saving energy, reducing water use, recycling, cleaning up the environment, etc. The Church just built a new Church History Library, which is in the process of receiving LEED certification. Doesn't mean that draconian measures to force all people everywhere to conserve and reduce emissions, destroying the economy in the process is a good idea.
@12:36 Are you serious? | 1:37 p.m. June 16, 2009
"So what do we do to solve the over-population of humans problem? Can we
send you to the gas chamber first?"
Thanks for that. I can't say I'm surprised to read a fascist allusion / implicit death threat coming out of Utah, the closest thing to Afghanistan the USA has to offer! Look at how great anti-secularism and regression are!
As for overpopulation, I don't know.. I'd say birthcontrol would be a good start?
Thanks for that. I can't say I'm surprised to read a fascist allusion / implicit death threat coming out of Utah, the closest thing to Afghanistan the USA has to offer! Look at how great anti-secularism and regression are!
As for overpopulation, I don't know.. I'd say birthcontrol would be a good start?
Anonymous | 1:40 p.m. June 16, 2009
"Herbert told a lobbyist who approached him at the meeting that when it
comes to energy issues, "regardless of the debate on the science, I'm
a capitalist.""
I think that says it all right there....
I think that says it all right there....
re - Knowwhat | 12:58 p.m | 2:05 p.m. June 16, 2009
["I'm sorry but the caps are not melting faster. You better do some
research and you will find that Antarctica has some areas melting but the
majority of the continent is colder and has more ice that ever before. NASA
website will help you with this. Also Artic ice has increased by about 30
percent since 2005. National snow and ice data center.
Stop drinking the koolaid and do the research"]
wow - I don't know what planet you're from, but here on earth, the poles are melting faster than ever before. I suggest you actually read some literature and scientific studies rather than just listen to your crazy govenor wanna-be...
and it's not the kool-aid - it's the idiots that think everything is ok. wow - the ignorance on this site - must be a Utah symptom...
Stop drinking the koolaid and do the research"]
wow - I don't know what planet you're from, but here on earth, the poles are melting faster than ever before. I suggest you actually read some literature and scientific studies rather than just listen to your crazy govenor wanna-be...
and it's not the kool-aid - it's the idiots that think everything is ok. wow - the ignorance on this site - must be a Utah symptom...
re:re - Knowwhat | 2:16 p.m. June 16, 2009
NASA studies indicate that the ice pack in the Antartic has increased by 100,000
square miles per decade for that last four decades. Do your own research
knucklehead.
That's Awesome! | 2:17 p.m. June 16, 2009
I have also never been convinced that society has caused a global change of our
climate. I am very pleased that we have a leader in our state that feels the
same way. I think it is a very arrogant stance to take to think that us little
ol humans are powerful enough to cause such a global change. It is even more of
an arrogant stance to think we are intelligent enough to stop or change this
alleged new global event. The only real answer to the "Gullible
Warming" scare is that some people have found a way to make huge amounts of
money and have power and control over others. That's really the only reason
to come up with such an allegation. Give em heck, Herbert, don't give in!
For 1500 years | 2:24 p.m. June 16, 2009
. . . there was near-unanimous (much greater than 97%) scientific consensus that
Ptolemy's astronomic theories were correct, and that the universe was
mounted on and rotated within a series of nested crystal spheres.
That consensus did not render Ptolemy's theories correct.
Teaching point:
Whenever a "scientist" tries to convince you with a consensus view, it means two things --
(1) He has insufficient facts to make his case, and
(2) He's selling something.
That consensus did not render Ptolemy's theories correct.
Teaching point:
Whenever a "scientist" tries to convince you with a consensus view, it means two things --
(1) He has insufficient facts to make his case, and
(2) He's selling something.
don't believ in global warming? | 2:24 p.m. June 16, 2009
do some of you REALLY not believe we are killing this planet? are you stuck in
the 1800s?
how can you possibly look around and NOT think we are ruining the planet?
wow - I'm at a loss for words. No wonder you all voted for Bush...
how can you possibly look around and NOT think we are ruining the planet?
wow - I'm at a loss for words. No wonder you all voted for Bush...
Re: re - Nate | 11:39 a.m | 2:27 p.m. June 16, 2009
"what's your point? the issue isn't "average global
temperatures" or climate change in Utah."
Really? I thought that WAS the issue, that increased human-caused CO2 emissions would lead to a significant increase in temperature.
If the actual data show NO significant increase in temperature over the past 20 years despite a steady increase in CO2 emissions during the same time period that kinda blows the whole Global Warming theory right out of the water, doesn't it?
Whether or not the polar caps are melting is irrelevant. If the earth's temperature isn't increasing yet the caps are still melting then it might be due to something entirely different.
That Red Herring, plus your gratuitous anti-Mormon slur only confirms what I posted earlier: In the Great Debate over Global Warming, the sceptics have all the facts. The Believers have only insults and invective.
Really? I thought that WAS the issue, that increased human-caused CO2 emissions would lead to a significant increase in temperature.
If the actual data show NO significant increase in temperature over the past 20 years despite a steady increase in CO2 emissions during the same time period that kinda blows the whole Global Warming theory right out of the water, doesn't it?
Whether or not the polar caps are melting is irrelevant. If the earth's temperature isn't increasing yet the caps are still melting then it might be due to something entirely different.
That Red Herring, plus your gratuitous anti-Mormon slur only confirms what I posted earlier: In the Great Debate over Global Warming, the sceptics have all the facts. The Believers have only insults and invective.
jfs | 2:27 p.m. June 16, 2009
NASA says, "In addition to increasing the amount of melting, global warming
would also be expected to increase the amount of precipitation in the polar
regions.... Global warming could therefore be expected initially to increase
both melting and snowfall. Depending on which increase dominates, the early
result could be either an overall decay or an overall growth of the ice
sheets." Sounds to me like the science is settled. They also said they
need more observations to see if climate models are correct.
Sounds like the models are theories to me.
Sounds like the models are theories to me.
re-re-knowwhat | 2:30 p.m. June 16, 2009
Still no proof provided from the extremist claim, I gave you the places you
could look up the data, but I can planly see you would rather read it on some
blog or hear it from your Fuhrer(Gore), than study it for yourself. If you would
like me to provide that exact pages and scientist's please let me know.
Otherwise go back to your propaganda and name calling distractions.
Shaun N | 2:32 p.m. June 16, 2009
You can still be a good steward of the earth and not buy in to the Global
Warming power grab. Fear is a politicians favorite tool to control the masses
and both parties are masters at using it. It is refreshing that Herbert is
willing to recognize there is disagreement on GW. Just my opinion.
Sad Reality | 2:38 p.m. June 16, 2009
The sad reality is that global warming is real and Herbert will be our governor.
Aaron | 2:51 p.m. June 16, 2009
Plate techtonics are much more violent then man could ever dream of being. They
do more damage to the earth than we could ever possibly do. 99% of all species
were extinct before the humans started ruining everything. The Earth is
extremely resilient. Species have always changed and adapted to their
cicumstances, hence natural selection. For those who think we're killing
the earth, learn a little about science and how the earth works then come
discuss.
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