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Herbert challenges reality of global climate change

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Anonymous | 5:59 p.m. June 15, 2009
And he is going to be the next Governor? Heaven help us all!!
Good for Herbert | 6:06 p.m. June 15, 2009
Obviously the Montana Governor has never been to Europe for him to state the debate is over with in that region of the world.

Climate Change as outlined by the UN and Al Gore has many 'top CLIMATE Scientists' disagreeing. Their names were put on that findings without their consent. They know that through the studying of climate records that we are actually much cooler than we have been just in recent human history.

We are coming out of a period known as "The Little Ice Age". Of course it seems hot to some. But during the times of Christ for several hundred years, it was significantly hotter than it is now.

Climate is directly tied to the sun, not Co2, in fact Co2 cools the earth. There is a reason why you can only see a couple of man made objects from space, because despite what our arrogant nature tells us, Human's have far less impact that we would like to think.

Is this a joke? | 6:10 p.m. June 15, 2009
So science is now something politicians vote on?
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arc | 6:12 p.m. June 15, 2009
The earth gets cooler and warmer. IF you figure that WE are causing most of it, you have to take into account things most people don't.

0. The solar wind is at a 50 years low, which could cause global cooling.
1. The rain forests are critical. Burning and clearing rain forests are a bigger deal re: greenhouse gases than cars. Remember the Harrison Ford ad with the tape on his chest being ripped off?
2. You have to take into account that Methane Gas, (not burned) released in to the air is much worse than burning it. Methane gas is worse than CO2 re: "greenhouse" gases.
3. You have to take into account that methane released into the atmosphere often comes from several non-man sources: Wetlands, cows belching, termites, permafrost, etc.

Most of us are willing to agree with cleaner air, water and land, that said, I am not worried about the CO2. I am worried about the cow belching and termites. :)
Yay for Governor Herbert! | 6:18 p.m. June 15, 2009
This is the dumbest debate since Darwinism. Global Warming is nothing more than a political scare tactic. NASA has already studied the problem and they've concluded that the Sun warms the Earth NOT people. That's just common sense! I remember learning that in grade school about 30 years ago. Al Gore is a moron and so are all the people who believe his quackery.
Research Scientist | 6:32 p.m. June 15, 2009
Finally, a politician that is interested in looking at peer reviewed scientific studies and facts instead of pseudo science contrived to benefit political agendas.

The debate over "climate change" is indeed NOT over.


Anonymous | 6:33 p.m. June 15, 2009
At least he doesn't fall for the belief that the debate is over. There are too many well informed, well educated men with conscience who believe that the debate is NOT over. Climate change is all about money, just follow Al Gore's trail. Congratulations Governor Herbert for your common sense, courage,and insight not to just follow the heard on this nonsense. What a nice change and a real breath of fresh air
utahenergyideas | 6:34 p.m. June 15, 2009
Gary Herbert is a great man and will be a great governor.

We may not agree with each other re: CO2 cap/trade, taxes, or our effects on climate.

We need clean energy, clean air, clean water, clean land and energy independence. We also need to encourage energy efficiency and technologies such as ground source heat pumps.

We do need more renewable energy. Coal is reportedly being removed fast enough in Utah that it could last only 15 to 45 years for use in Utah at current rates.

We will need more electricity to offset a reduction in the use of foreign oil, and we can't afford to just rely on coal.

Do we have existing dams that we could add hydro power to, without putting more land underwater, hurting our rivers and/or wildlife?

It has been pointed out that renewable energy will help the state's economy in places that coal, or gas won't. Renewable energy being added to the mix will increase the life of the Utah coal economy.

Having goals to rely on renewable energy and energy savings to make up the increased demand on power is good.
No big surprise! | 6:40 p.m. June 15, 2009
Why did Huntsman have to leave and stick us with a man who is more interested in looking for the few scientists to confirm his own point of view, rather than look at what the vast majority of scientists are saying. This is the typical know-it-all Republican politician whose credentials far outweighs the real experts in the field whether it be scientists, health care workers, or school teachers. If they are not careful, they might even start challenging God's knowledge.
Ralph Hansen Ph. D. | 6:43 p.m. June 15, 2009
Hooray for Herbert! He understand science doesn't operate by consensus - only politics does. Anthropogenic global warming is a theory based on highly speculative climate models. They're nothing more than mega-million dollar computer games.

Just what is it that possesses so many gullible people to believe these models that predict that a modest increase in the concentrations of a trace gas in our atmosphere (CO2) can overwhelm the sun, the oceans and the clouds that create weather on our planet? And why is it most of those who believe have a "D" behind their name? How convenient that regulating CO2 would give liberals control over energy policy and the lives of every American.

Nature constantly seeks equilibrium - that's why we have weather - and human carbon dioxide emissions are nothing but a blip on nature's radar. The Lt. Gov. is not only right to question the "consensus," he's right that humans have a minimal impact on our climate.
Shocking... | 6:45 p.m. June 15, 2009
An ultra conservative shills for mining, film at 11.
Mc | 6:56 p.m. June 15, 2009
It's good to see that Herbert has an open mind, willing to analyze and evaluate the science rather than jumping on the political climate change bandwagon.
Eugene | 7:01 p.m. June 15, 2009
Hooey is rigtht! It's just another way the left can push their agenda on the regular folks! Fight back on this nonsense, America! Chicago has had the coldest June on record! It snows in places this year that have not ever received snow begore. The intermountain west has seen one of its coldest and wettest springs on record.

Besides a true trend in warming must be considered over thousands of years, not just a decade or two. Need I say more!
Finally!!! | 7:06 p.m. June 15, 2009
A governor who thinks like the vast majority of his constituents!!!

I hope these meetings were not taxpayer funded.

I'd feel a lot better about western states governors assembling to discuss bigfoot and UFOs because at least congress isn't trying to pass crippling legislation (cap n' trade) to stop those myths.
Cambridge | 8:19 p.m. June 15, 2009
When someone declares the debate over, you can be assured they are speaking dogma, not science.
Anonymous | 8:31 p.m. June 15, 2009
Getting pretty sick of the left vs. right rhetoric. How is this a political issue? Can we stop listening to spin from the left and right and just use our own minds for a while? Yes, there is enough science to support climate change, and yes, there is enough science to suggest some serious consequences--so, duh, we stop looking for a conspiracies and do something about it. If the vast majority of scientists in the world are wrong, what's the worst that could happen? Cleaner air & water?
@ Anon 8:31 | 8:38 p.m. June 15, 2009
No the worst that could happen is trillions of dollars of wasted resources that could have been used to cure cancer or AIDS, provide healthcare for the uninsured, end hunger in our lifetime, etc.
Jess | 9:00 p.m. June 15, 2009
Here's some science that is not politically inspired: In geological time, the amount of CO2 in our presently is almost at an all-time low. Millions of years ago when the earth had the greatest amount of plant cover it also had the most CO2 in the atmosphere. Why, because plants grow better in a CO2 enriched environment. The more CO2, the more food production for our hungry planet. We will also have much more oxygen since a product of photosynthesis is oxygen. We'll all be healthier with more CO2. If you still remain unconvinced that CO2 is the enemy and you actually believe the global warming hypothesis and think we should sequester CO2, then grow more trees. Tons and tons of carbon is locked up in trees on our planet. CO2 is not the enemy, it is vitally important for the survival of life on our planet. It's a good thing that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing.
Michael | 10:37 p.m. June 15, 2009
I am not a scientist - I am a pragmatist. I believe in what I can see, touch and feel. Go to Google and search images of "shrinking glaciers". That is something that can be seen and measured. Melted ice means more water in the oceans. More water in the oceans means higher sea levels. Higher sea levels means massive destruction and flooding. Go and learn, explore, decide for yourselves and quit letting politicians tell you what is "truth" and "fact".
Hester | 10:44 p.m. June 15, 2009
The debate IS over among the "politically correct" elite who think their opinion is the only one that matters. The debate is NOT over at the grassroots level, nor even among the scientific community. There are many excellent scientists who have no pre-determined political agenda, but who remain sceptical of the climate change findings that have been reported thus far.
Go Gary Go! | 10:47 p.m. June 15, 2009
What a gutsy move on Herbert's part! This is awesome. Herbert is going to be awesome. He has a way of speaking his mind but at the same time bringing all sides to the table for good healthy discussion. I am really excited to see what he does as our governor.
Tab L. Uno | 10:50 p.m. June 15, 2009
Hopefully the next Governor of Utah will just allow the federal government and the scientists to protect our global environment as there are larger climatic and economic issues at stake. The huge consensus of world scientific opinion has determined the urgent need to begin addressing climate change by whatever means necessary to our next generation's survival. How long did it take people to accept the earth was not the center of the universe and actually circled the sun, that the world was round not flat, that evolution from apes was a scientific fact, and that now humans contribute to global warming. When the small minority of people willing to risk our future survival based on conspiracy theories, it becomes the very narrow undemocratic and rigid, narrow road that autocratic, dictatorships have also taken.
shecky | 11:12 p.m. June 15, 2009
It takes a man of real courage with little or no scientific background to disagree with about 99% of actual scientists who do this every day for a living.
Les Hudelson | 11:14 p.m. June 15, 2009
Perhaps it finally time to have a educational tune-up for the readers and speakers who throw out opinions without the slightest notion of the meaning of the words that they use.

But I am sure that the same people who discount science will argue that their interpretation of the words are also acurate, as they seem to not care about history, arithmatic, or any medium of acurate communication of thought, much less the integration of facts, thought, and wisodom.
For 40 years now we have a radical right wing, ignoring all of the efforts of the educational and scientific feilds to make it possible for the USA to have aided in the winning of WWII, that allowed us to then go forward, as an educated country, leading in all aspects of society.

Today we cannot even field a competitve Math team internationally.

Sciece is not an omnipotent entity like some people want to believe in. It is science, it is in therory, if you have educated your society to be open minded, constanly checking it's own self. We then need not waste time in arguing, we merely look at truth. It is what it is, no denieing it.
John | 12:10 a.m. June 16, 2009
What a bleeding nitwit.
"Help me understand the science." ???

God save us from these ignorant morons.

Every scientific academy and society in every developed nation is in agreement. The evidence is mountainous. The models work forwards and backwards. The best and brightest minds are all saying the same thing. When, WHEN will idiots like this stop with this "I'm not convinced" game?
We don't have time to coddle these fools.
Utah is a Backwater | 12:20 a.m. June 16, 2009
The entire WORLD is in agreement on climate change, even GWB acknowledged its existence. Now we have an ignorant political hack making Utah look like a redneck backwater of ignorance.

Just what we deserve; Utah is the center of the universe when it comes to conspiracy nuts, misinformation, Ponzi schemes, and right-wing fear mongers.

Gov. Herbert, you need to back up your statements with facts before you open your ignorant yap.
Dave | 12:36 a.m. June 16, 2009
If global warming has been occuring for the past several years,the sea levels should be rising already. New York City should already be under water as the "scientists" predicted. Is this happening?
duh | 1:08 a.m. June 16, 2009
Any Utah citizen who does not believe in global climate change obviously has not been in Utah in the month of June. We have almost gotten more rain then we are expected to get for the entire summer in less then a month. Maybe this is not directly caused by global warming but still seems a little odd to me, maybe next year it wont rain at all
Brandon | 1:24 a.m. June 16, 2009
I would have to say that Obama is the best thing that has happened to Utah in quite a while. Finally a governor who can look at something with common sense and who reflects Utah's values. I am thrilled Prince John will be establishing his kingdom in a socialist society where he'll feel quite at home.
Science Teacher | 2:23 a.m. June 16, 2009
Just do a little research and you will soon find MANY that disagree with the politically-charged GW debate. Some stories include loss of funding, chair positions, tenure, blackballing if you even DARE to speak out against GW.

GW is a farce. I just can't wait till UT science core catches up so I can stop teaching kids two versions of environmental science: the GW/Al Gore/liberal/politicized/govt. controls your life version and the truth.
Read the newspaper | 4:20 a.m. June 16, 2009
Nearly every newspaper in America believes that climate change is man-made. Who are we to disagree with the experts?
Cats | 5:09 a.m. June 16, 2009
Consensus is NOT scientific fact. Also, there are literally tens of thousands of scientists who are NOT convinced by the man-made global warming theory. Also, those who assume it is just "science" do not understand how political correctness and personal self-interested agendas can affect even "science."

When it comes to "true" science the debate should NEVER be over. Only those who are afraid to debate say the debate is over. When the models that predict global-warming disaster are applied to historic fact, they don't accurately predict what has actually happened. They have clearly been proved to be invalid.

We should NEVER be so quick to accept "science" when there are personal and political agendas involved.
@ Michael 10:37 | 5:13 a.m. June 16, 2009
What you might not know is that there are pictures from the 1950's of even smaller glaciers, yet no catastrophic flooding. Go figure.
M Bardon | 5:17 a.m. June 16, 2009
NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT but refreshing to hear a man like our future Governor with conviction and courage speak up against the crowd who blindly follow junk science.
Math vs. Science | 5:18 a.m. June 16, 2009
Math is not always science (and science is not always empirical). A lot of math these days, especially when it comes to the environment and the economy, is based on mathematical models. Such models give the illusion of objective science to any idea the model builder wants to encode in mathematical language. There are so many untested assumptions underlying mathematical "models" as to render most of them useless.
An Observer | 5:18 a.m. June 16, 2009
Congratulations, Gary Herbert! Huntsman's departure cannot come soon enough. Looking forward to the new direction for the state under your direction.
Hurray for Huntsman | 5:37 a.m. June 16, 2009
The best thing Huntsman did was to agree to go to China, so we could have a governor who is not auditioning for national office. Herbert will not become another governor moonbeam, like Huntsman was trying to do. It's time for someone to stand up to the pet political projects of Al Gore.
Bottom line... IPP3, California | 5:41 a.m. June 16, 2009
Utah is a major exporter of power to California. Schwarzenegger signed the Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006 that required the state to no longer purchase coal-fired power from Utah. The IPP3 plant in Delta was postponed indefinitely because southern California refused to buy into the project, and instead, purchased wind power development near Milford, Utah. All the wind developed there (two phases of about 400 MW) is going to southern California, though there are three more phases of the project that are still not committed yet -- perhaps Utah might buy some of its own wind in the future.

The bottom line is that there are economic and political forces well beyond Herbert's control that drive Utah's energy market -- from cap and trade to export markets that won't buy Utah's coal-fired electricity. The practical reality is that cleaner energy addresses climate change, keeps Utah exporting for economic development (wind will bring millions of California dollars in development to the town of Milford and Beaver County), cleans Utah's air (think the smog in National parks to the Wasatch Front), and prevents mercury and other pollutants in our fisheries and waterways (good for hunting/fishing).
How Embarrassing! | 5:55 a.m. June 16, 2009
Herbert, were you channelling Energy Solutions, Buttars and Ruzicka while you embarrassed the state of Utah in front of real governors?

The sign of things to come, is the obvious dumbing-down of Utah after four years of a Renaissance.
Nice summer, where is the heat? | 6:24 a.m. June 16, 2009
If we get much more "global warming", we may have to use our furnaces all summer long. In all my life I don't remember a summer as cool as this.
Instereo | 6:26 a.m. June 16, 2009
Global Warming, Evolution, and Abortion are all topics where it's easy to turn off the brain, start up the ideology and quit thinking.
Robert McLean | 6:29 a.m. June 16, 2009
"Climate Change" is a Gold Rush for scientists who wish to live off the public dime. There is no evidence that the emission of "Greenhouse Gases" could cause the climate to become warmer. In fact the opposite is true.

In 1880 Krakatoa exploded in Indonesia and emitted more CO2 than man has produced in all of his existance to that time and for hundreds of years to come. The Result? The following year there was a very cloudy,cold summer CAUSED BY THE DENSE CLOUD COVER! So the reality is that climate change by man is utter stupidity and will be used to curtail our freedom, increase umemployment, increase government size, and help the Obama destruction team further cripple America. Please help stop these idiots. What they think and do can't stop Global Warming, but it can ruin the future of you and your family!
What Scientists used to say | 6:30 a.m. June 16, 2009
re shecky | 11:12 p.m. June 15, 2009
It takes a man of real courage with little or no scientific background to disagree with about 99% of actual scientists who do this every day for a living.
____________________________

If 99% of scientists disagree with

.... ACTUAL REALITY ....

who are you going to go with? This has been the coolest summer I can ever remember.

When I was in elementary school in the 1960's we were told

1) that scientists had determined we were headed for another ice age.

2) that the world had a 20 year supply of oil left.

Seems to me the 99% of scientists out there have a thing or two yet to learn.

That is the take of this "uneducated" so called hick.


Have you noticed? | 6:33 a.m. June 16, 2009
They don't call it global warming anymore. It's called climate change.
Things have always changed | 6:36 a.m. June 16, 2009
I was watching a science show on the tv and the take away for me was that through out all of history, the worlds climate has always changed, from cold to hot, from hot to cold.

As a matter of fact, in the times of the dinasaurs, CO2 was in much greater concentration in the atmosphere than it is today, it was hotter then too.

People panicing reminds me of the chicken in the barn yard, telling all the other anamials that the sky is falling.

Truth be told, in times past, its been hotter than now, its been colder than now, there has been more carbon dioxide than now, and at other times there has been less carbon dioxide than now. And guess what? Life has thrived through it all.
Go figure | 6:38 a.m. June 16, 2009
I was about to turn on my furnace this morning (16June2009,Tue), but my 4th grader urged me not to as it will help with global warming if I didn't.

Seems those youngsters are getting a mighty fine education.
jr | 6:50 a.m. June 16, 2009
Typical Utahns think their govern has all the knowledge to make the decisions for them. Look outside of your small world and research and get your own opinion instead of one mans based on his political agenda
Anonymous | 6:51 a.m. June 16, 2009
Herbert, like the rest of the naysayers, see what is their immediate vicinity and deny the big picture. Kind of like those who thought the sun orbited the earth. Guys like this will continue Utah's slide into obscurity. Even if clilmate change is not a reality, what's wrong with being good stewards of the environment, and not pillaging the planet? Sees like a truly "conservative" principle, if you ask me. "Guts" does not equal brains.
Thank YOU! | 6:59 a.m. June 16, 2009
AMEN! How so many have fallen prey to this fairy tail is beyond me! Way to go, Herbert!
@shecky | 7:15 a.m. June 16, 2009
99% of the scientists huh?
I would say it might be closer to %50
Just like with everything, for every one scientist that is sure of global warming you will find one who is against it.

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