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Herbert challenges reality of global climate change
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Climate Change as outlined by the UN and Al Gore has many 'top CLIMATE Scientists' disagreeing. Their names were put on that findings without their consent. They know that through the studying of climate records that we are actually much cooler than we have been just in recent human history.
We are coming out of a period known as "The Little Ice Age". Of course it seems hot to some. But during the times of Christ for several hundred years, it was significantly hotter than it is now.
Climate is directly tied to the sun, not Co2, in fact Co2 cools the earth. There is a reason why you can only see a couple of man made objects from space, because despite what our arrogant nature tells us, Human's have far less impact that we would like to think.
0. The solar wind is at a 50 years low, which could cause global cooling.
1. The rain forests are critical. Burning and clearing rain forests are a bigger deal re: greenhouse gases than cars. Remember the Harrison Ford ad with the tape on his chest being ripped off?
2. You have to take into account that Methane Gas, (not burned) released in to the air is much worse than burning it. Methane gas is worse than CO2 re: "greenhouse" gases.
3. You have to take into account that methane released into the atmosphere often comes from several non-man sources: Wetlands, cows belching, termites, permafrost, etc.
Most of us are willing to agree with cleaner air, water and land, that said, I am not worried about the CO2. I am worried about the cow belching and termites. :)
The debate over "climate change" is indeed NOT over.
We may not agree with each other re: CO2 cap/trade, taxes, or our effects on climate.
We need clean energy, clean air, clean water, clean land and energy independence. We also need to encourage energy efficiency and technologies such as ground source heat pumps.
We do need more renewable energy. Coal is reportedly being removed fast enough in Utah that it could last only 15 to 45 years for use in Utah at current rates.
We will need more electricity to offset a reduction in the use of foreign oil, and we can't afford to just rely on coal.
Do we have existing dams that we could add hydro power to, without putting more land underwater, hurting our rivers and/or wildlife?
It has been pointed out that renewable energy will help the state's economy in places that coal, or gas won't. Renewable energy being added to the mix will increase the life of the Utah coal economy.
Having goals to rely on renewable energy and energy savings to make up the increased demand on power is good.
Just what is it that possesses so many gullible people to believe these models that predict that a modest increase in the concentrations of a trace gas in our atmosphere (CO2) can overwhelm the sun, the oceans and the clouds that create weather on our planet? And why is it most of those who believe have a "D" behind their name? How convenient that regulating CO2 would give liberals control over energy policy and the lives of every American.
Nature constantly seeks equilibrium - that's why we have weather - and human carbon dioxide emissions are nothing but a blip on nature's radar. The Lt. Gov. is not only right to question the "consensus," he's right that humans have a minimal impact on our climate.
Besides a true trend in warming must be considered over thousands of years, not just a decade or two. Need I say more!
I hope these meetings were not taxpayer funded.
I'd feel a lot better about western states governors assembling to discuss bigfoot and UFOs because at least congress isn't trying to pass crippling legislation (cap n' trade) to stop those myths.
But I am sure that the same people who discount science will argue that their interpretation of the words are also acurate, as they seem to not care about history, arithmatic, or any medium of acurate communication of thought, much less the integration of facts, thought, and wisodom.
For 40 years now we have a radical right wing, ignoring all of the efforts of the educational and scientific feilds to make it possible for the USA to have aided in the winning of WWII, that allowed us to then go forward, as an educated country, leading in all aspects of society.
Today we cannot even field a competitve Math team internationally.
Sciece is not an omnipotent entity like some people want to believe in. It is science, it is in therory, if you have educated your society to be open minded, constanly checking it's own self. We then need not waste time in arguing, we merely look at truth. It is what it is, no denieing it.
"Help me understand the science." ???
God save us from these ignorant morons.
Every scientific academy and society in every developed nation is in agreement. The evidence is mountainous. The models work forwards and backwards. The best and brightest minds are all saying the same thing. When, WHEN will idiots like this stop with this "I'm not convinced" game?
We don't have time to coddle these fools.
Just what we deserve; Utah is the center of the universe when it comes to conspiracy nuts, misinformation, Ponzi schemes, and right-wing fear mongers.
Gov. Herbert, you need to back up your statements with facts before you open your ignorant yap.
GW is a farce. I just can't wait till UT science core catches up so I can stop teaching kids two versions of environmental science: the GW/Al Gore/liberal/politicized/govt. controls your life version and the truth.
When it comes to "true" science the debate should NEVER be over. Only those who are afraid to debate say the debate is over. When the models that predict global-warming disaster are applied to historic fact, they don't accurately predict what has actually happened. They have clearly been proved to be invalid.
We should NEVER be so quick to accept "science" when there are personal and political agendas involved.
The bottom line is that there are economic and political forces well beyond Herbert's control that drive Utah's energy market -- from cap and trade to export markets that won't buy Utah's coal-fired electricity. The practical reality is that cleaner energy addresses climate change, keeps Utah exporting for economic development (wind will bring millions of California dollars in development to the town of Milford and Beaver County), cleans Utah's air (think the smog in National parks to the Wasatch Front), and prevents mercury and other pollutants in our fisheries and waterways (good for hunting/fishing).
The sign of things to come, is the obvious dumbing-down of Utah after four years of a Renaissance.
In 1880 Krakatoa exploded in Indonesia and emitted more CO2 than man has produced in all of his existance to that time and for hundreds of years to come. The Result? The following year there was a very cloudy,cold summer CAUSED BY THE DENSE CLOUD COVER! So the reality is that climate change by man is utter stupidity and will be used to curtail our freedom, increase umemployment, increase government size, and help the Obama destruction team further cripple America. Please help stop these idiots. What they think and do can't stop Global Warming, but it can ruin the future of you and your family!
It takes a man of real courage with little or no scientific background to disagree with about 99% of actual scientists who do this every day for a living.
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If 99% of scientists disagree with
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who are you going to go with? This has been the coolest summer I can ever remember.
When I was in elementary school in the 1960's we were told
1) that scientists had determined we were headed for another ice age.
2) that the world had a 20 year supply of oil left.
Seems to me the 99% of scientists out there have a thing or two yet to learn.
That is the take of this "uneducated" so called hick.
As a matter of fact, in the times of the dinasaurs, CO2 was in much greater concentration in the atmosphere than it is today, it was hotter then too.
People panicing reminds me of the chicken in the barn yard, telling all the other anamials that the sky is falling.
Truth be told, in times past, its been hotter than now, its been colder than now, there has been more carbon dioxide than now, and at other times there has been less carbon dioxide than now. And guess what? Life has thrived through it all.
Seems those youngsters are getting a mighty fine education.
I would say it might be closer to %50
Just like with everything, for every one scientist that is sure of global warming you will find one who is against it.
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