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re; this year for the Y | 2:25 p.m. June 16, 2009
Let me get this straight. its actually good to lose austin collie. Its okay to
lose 4 very good offensive linman because theyre still fat....ok. Lastly, a slow
unathletic defense is something you dont talk about. Not exactly the argument I
was hoping for. You make them sound more 6-6 than I do.
re: Money sharing | 2:32 p.m. June 16, 2009
BYU hasn't had the opportunity to knock on the BCS door, unless they
disguised themselves and traveled with the Utes to Tempe and NO.
1996? Good team that lost to Washington, yeah lost a game not undefeated, then was told they would not be invited to the BCS (with a loss already in their pocket). Sorry, but as you well know "Perfection" means not losing a game. Never had a realitic chance of being in a BCS game, and was told so by the BCS.
2001? Much of the same as above. Gave up 72, yeah that's right 72, points to HAWAII. This was after the BCS again told the Cougars they were not qualified for the BCS. Then losses by 18 points to LOUISVILLE?
If the Cougars were "knocking" down the BCS door, apparently they were the only ones who heard the "knocking."
Utah in 04 was dominate, start to finish. They didn't struggle to beat anyone, let alone their rival at home as BYU did in 2001.
You insult your own intelligence by comparing a team who DIDN'T play in a BCS game, with one that has played in TWO.
1996? Good team that lost to Washington, yeah lost a game not undefeated, then was told they would not be invited to the BCS (with a loss already in their pocket). Sorry, but as you well know "Perfection" means not losing a game. Never had a realitic chance of being in a BCS game, and was told so by the BCS.
2001? Much of the same as above. Gave up 72, yeah that's right 72, points to HAWAII. This was after the BCS again told the Cougars they were not qualified for the BCS. Then losses by 18 points to LOUISVILLE?
If the Cougars were "knocking" down the BCS door, apparently they were the only ones who heard the "knocking."
Utah in 04 was dominate, start to finish. They didn't struggle to beat anyone, let alone their rival at home as BYU did in 2001.
You insult your own intelligence by comparing a team who DIDN'T play in a BCS game, with one that has played in TWO.
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teach | 3:02 p.m. June 16, 2009
RE: 2:34 poster
2004 was dominate. I think you mean dominant. That dang Ute education keeps surfacing.
2004 was dominate. I think you mean dominant. That dang Ute education keeps surfacing.
RE:re: Money sharing | 2:32 p.m. | 4:07 p.m. June 16, 2009
"1996?...was told they would not be invited to the BCS (with a loss already
in their pocket)...Never had a realitic chance of being in a BCS game, and was
told so by the BCS."
Not quite. The BCS hadn't materialized for another 2 yrs. In 1997 Nebraska and Michigan split the National Championship. Many believed, as I do, that Nebraska's title was more of a "retirement gift" to then HC Tom Osborne. Michigan, in my opinion was the true NC that year. And this is coming from an Ohio St. fan. The result of this controversy was the BCS, which commenced with the 1998 season.
The '96 BYU team was unworthy of their #5 ranking. They proved this on the field by requiring O/T in the WAC Championship game vs. #21 Wyoming. They proved it again requiring a late 4th Qtr rally to edge #14 Kansas St. And they proved it to start the season by losing to Washington. I would have put them with their cupcake schedule around #15 that year.
Not quite. The BCS hadn't materialized for another 2 yrs. In 1997 Nebraska and Michigan split the National Championship. Many believed, as I do, that Nebraska's title was more of a "retirement gift" to then HC Tom Osborne. Michigan, in my opinion was the true NC that year. And this is coming from an Ohio St. fan. The result of this controversy was the BCS, which commenced with the 1998 season.
The '96 BYU team was unworthy of their #5 ranking. They proved this on the field by requiring O/T in the WAC Championship game vs. #21 Wyoming. They proved it again requiring a late 4th Qtr rally to edge #14 Kansas St. And they proved it to start the season by losing to Washington. I would have put them with their cupcake schedule around #15 that year.
fyi | 4:11 p.m. June 16, 2009
Re to Irish ute...
that was actually a very good post from a ute fan. something you don't see all that often. nice job.
that was actually a very good post from a ute fan. something you don't see all that often. nice job.
@ 2:32 cont. | 4:19 p.m. June 16, 2009
"2001? Much of the same as above. Gave up 72...points to HAWAII. This was
after the BCS again told the Cougars they were not qualified for the BCS. Then
losses by 18 points to LOUISVILLE?"
You are spot on here. However, giving credit where credit was due, Hawai'i won 9-games that year, and many believed they should have been ranked at season's end. At the very least, they deserved a Bowl Bid. Louisville won 11-games that year, carried home the Liberty Bowl trophy, and finished that season ranked #17. THIS BYU schedule was far more competitive than their 1996 squad. BYU had more losses because they played a GOOD Hawai'i and Louisville team.
This fact really jumps out you regarding BYU's dominance. They only dominate against sub-par program. Since they tend to load up on weak opposition, their W/L record appears a bit more sterling than it really is. Non-BCS teams that consistently represent in OOC competition would be Utah, TCU, Boise St, Fresno St, and lately, Tulsa and Navy. An unranked conclusion to BYU's 2001 season seems about right to me.
You are spot on here. However, giving credit where credit was due, Hawai'i won 9-games that year, and many believed they should have been ranked at season's end. At the very least, they deserved a Bowl Bid. Louisville won 11-games that year, carried home the Liberty Bowl trophy, and finished that season ranked #17. THIS BYU schedule was far more competitive than their 1996 squad. BYU had more losses because they played a GOOD Hawai'i and Louisville team.
This fact really jumps out you regarding BYU's dominance. They only dominate against sub-par program. Since they tend to load up on weak opposition, their W/L record appears a bit more sterling than it really is. Non-BCS teams that consistently represent in OOC competition would be Utah, TCU, Boise St, Fresno St, and lately, Tulsa and Navy. An unranked conclusion to BYU's 2001 season seems about right to me.
Jimbo | 5:25 p.m. June 16, 2009
Does Mr. Apo know that he will need to take his earring out to be honor code
compliant?
Advantage??? | 6:43 p.m. June 16, 2009
Wow, I'm sorry I missed this story a few days ago because BYU recruits with
the biggest DISadvantage I can think of. You try putting together a team of
great athletes that live that honor code. It cuts the possible field by about
98%. What a great advantage!
Fully Invested | 7:47 p.m. June 16, 2009
You Utah fans are making me laugh by coming on a story about BYU recruiting
advantages and talking about your superiority over BYU.
As a die hard Cougar fan, I may be the only one willing to admit that in the past 10 years or so the Utes have had more impressive accomplishments than BYU. That being said, You look like idiots when trying to argue your points. You continually rip apart BYU's opponents to prove your point, yet 8 of those opponents are the same. You go on and on about how overrated BYU always is, yet you don't flinch when throwing them in as one of the 3 ranked teams Utah in 08 to help strengthen your argument. So which is it; according to you guys BYU should never be ranked. And when talking about all the ranked opponents that Utah has beaten you always mention where they were ranked when Utah beat them, not where they were ranked at the end of the year. You never give BYU that little benefit, not that it would help because BYU has not been good against ranked opponents of late.
As a die hard Cougar fan, I may be the only one willing to admit that in the past 10 years or so the Utes have had more impressive accomplishments than BYU. That being said, You look like idiots when trying to argue your points. You continually rip apart BYU's opponents to prove your point, yet 8 of those opponents are the same. You go on and on about how overrated BYU always is, yet you don't flinch when throwing them in as one of the 3 ranked teams Utah in 08 to help strengthen your argument. So which is it; according to you guys BYU should never be ranked. And when talking about all the ranked opponents that Utah has beaten you always mention where they were ranked when Utah beat them, not where they were ranked at the end of the year. You never give BYU that little benefit, not that it would help because BYU has not been good against ranked opponents of late.
Re: fully invested | 8:00 p.m. June 16, 2009
Huh? where is this stuff you mentioned in the you always and you never rant?
Is there a point? Is this an argument?
Fully Invested | 8:02 p.m. June 16, 2009
Just to finish, let' list what Utah has done that BYU has not.
2 BCS Bowl wins(very impressive)
Several wins over top 25 teams in the past 5years)
2 undefeated seasons
Things that BYU has done that Utah has not.
National Championship (yes, I know, a long time ago)
14 wins in a season (only team to ever do that)
Heisman Trophy
2 Outland Trophys
3 Davey O'brien awards
1 Doak Walker award
BYU leads Utah in overall conference championships
Most of BYU's accomplishments occurred before Utah had it's run. So, let me say again, recently, Utah has outpaced BYU. But realisticaly, Utah wouldn't be where they are without the past success of BYU. Also when was the last time Utah beat a ranked TCU team in Fort Worth?
2 BCS Bowl wins(very impressive)
Several wins over top 25 teams in the past 5years)
2 undefeated seasons
Things that BYU has done that Utah has not.
National Championship (yes, I know, a long time ago)
14 wins in a season (only team to ever do that)
Heisman Trophy
2 Outland Trophys
3 Davey O'brien awards
1 Doak Walker award
BYU leads Utah in overall conference championships
Most of BYU's accomplishments occurred before Utah had it's run. So, let me say again, recently, Utah has outpaced BYU. But realisticaly, Utah wouldn't be where they are without the past success of BYU. Also when was the last time Utah beat a ranked TCU team in Fort Worth?
Re: 2:22 p.m. | 11:19 p.m. June 16, 2009
Austin Collie was certainly the best WR in BYU history. But I'll tell you
what, over recent years we keep MAKING history in many ways. So don't count
out the success that we very well could have this year.
Ron | 8:37 a.m. June 17, 2009
Would the whining BCS schools be willing to recruit using the same code of
ethics BYU does? That would make for a more fair playing field, wouldn't
it?
geezer | 9:57 a.m. June 17, 2009
Re: money sharing
Don't assume the Utes will agree with you on anything. They'll differ just for the sake of differing. It's that rockets red glare that they can't get out of their eyes.
Don't assume the Utes will agree with you on anything. They'll differ just for the sake of differing. It's that rockets red glare that they can't get out of their eyes.
Re: Fully Invested | 10:57 a.m. June 17, 2009
"...when was the last time Utah beat a ranked TCU team in Ft.
Worth?"
Never. But we've only played them 6 times in our history, and the only time TCU has been ranked at the time we faced them was last season in SLC. Which we won. Now, TCU did FINISH their '05 and '06 seasons ranked, and the Utes went 1-1 against them during those times, winning the '06 match in SLC, and losing the '05 game, in O/T, in Ft. Worth. The Utes lead the All-Time series 5-1; 3-0 home, and 2-1 away.
Heismans, Doaks, Outlands, and O'Briens are INDIVIDUAL awards. INDIVIDUAL awards don't equal Wins. Teams take the field to win the game. Only selfish non-team players take the field for the purposes of those OTHER trophies.
And Utah leads the tdS in overall head-to-head match ups...by about 20 yrs.
Those 14 wins in a single season came by way of 15 games played. The tdS has been the only team to accomplish that since they're the only team to have ever been authorized by the NCAA to play that many games.
Never. But we've only played them 6 times in our history, and the only time TCU has been ranked at the time we faced them was last season in SLC. Which we won. Now, TCU did FINISH their '05 and '06 seasons ranked, and the Utes went 1-1 against them during those times, winning the '06 match in SLC, and losing the '05 game, in O/T, in Ft. Worth. The Utes lead the All-Time series 5-1; 3-0 home, and 2-1 away.
Heismans, Doaks, Outlands, and O'Briens are INDIVIDUAL awards. INDIVIDUAL awards don't equal Wins. Teams take the field to win the game. Only selfish non-team players take the field for the purposes of those OTHER trophies.
And Utah leads the tdS in overall head-to-head match ups...by about 20 yrs.
Those 14 wins in a single season came by way of 15 games played. The tdS has been the only team to accomplish that since they're the only team to have ever been authorized by the NCAA to play that many games.
Anonymous | 3:42 p.m. June 17, 2009
Byu FINALLY RECRUITED A BLACK PERSON TO COME PLAY FOR THEM MAYBE THEY REALLY ARE
TURNING AROUND.
LDS Players choose the Y... | 3:45 p.m. June 17, 2009
...because good things are happenin'. There they can become not just the
players but the MEN they want to become. Go Cougars! Go Rock! Sour grapes in
Washington? Oh well. Better luck with the next promising local QB. But watch
out if he has goals outside of great football. Otherwise, the Y might get him,
too!
just watcin | 4:34 p.m. June 17, 2009
all quit your crying
truth is yew tah needs byu
and byu needs the yewts to be who they are.
I also hate the BCS society. I live in a bcs area, NU, and I always go for the team that is not from a bcs school. So keep up the good work and beat up on those dumb teams from the pac10 and other conferences as such.
truth is yew tah needs byu
and byu needs the yewts to be who they are.
I also hate the BCS society. I live in a bcs area, NU, and I always go for the team that is not from a bcs school. So keep up the good work and beat up on those dumb teams from the pac10 and other conferences as such.
Jakester3 | 5:14 p.m. June 17, 2009
Touche... good article.
This year for the Y again | 5:31 p.m. June 17, 2009
Collie was an outstanding receiver and of course it's not a good thing that
he's gone from the WR's perspective, but from the overall team's
perspective it will probably be a wash as it will require Max Hall to spread the
ball around more. As much as I enjoyed watching Collie go up against double and
triple teams for the ball, I'd be just as happy to see Unga catch the ball
in the flat or see any of the other receivers catch the ball in the seam in
single coverage. Fewer interceptions that way and overall better play.
Also, Jacobsen was not just okay, he was every bit as good as Collie if you compare their freshman years. Who knows if he's still got wheels after the mission, but I'm sure he'll do just fine.
It's not like our entire offense and special teams along with the best three defensive players left, that would be the Ewets.
Also, Jacobsen was not just okay, he was every bit as good as Collie if you compare their freshman years. Who knows if he's still got wheels after the mission, but I'm sure he'll do just fine.
It's not like our entire offense and special teams along with the best three defensive players left, that would be the Ewets.
Anyone else sick of the Utes? | 10:20 p.m. June 17, 2009
We have two BCS wins bla bla bla. Utah BCS wins TWO, BYU BCS wins ZERO bla bla
bla. Who cares about recruiting, it's what happens on the field that
counts bla bla bla. National Championships and Heisman Trophy's don't
matter because they didn't happen recently bla bla bla. BYU never wins big
games bla bla bla.
At some point the self agrandizement gets a little old. I've never been a BYU fan that cheers against Utah, but this year will be different. Just for the sake of shutting up the constant pompous drivel I will enjoy watching Utah lose its way through an irrelevant 8-4 season capped by a beat down in provo. It's amazing how the pride I felt in MWC football when Utah beat Alabama has long since been lost in sheer agitation from the most annoying fans on the planet. Utah fans are more obnoxious when they win than when they lose. No class. A simple "congrats on a great recruit that will improve the intensity of an already outstanding rivalry" must be a little too difficult for Ute fans. Pathetic.
At some point the self agrandizement gets a little old. I've never been a BYU fan that cheers against Utah, but this year will be different. Just for the sake of shutting up the constant pompous drivel I will enjoy watching Utah lose its way through an irrelevant 8-4 season capped by a beat down in provo. It's amazing how the pride I felt in MWC football when Utah beat Alabama has long since been lost in sheer agitation from the most annoying fans on the planet. Utah fans are more obnoxious when they win than when they lose. No class. A simple "congrats on a great recruit that will improve the intensity of an already outstanding rivalry" must be a little too difficult for Ute fans. Pathetic.
re: Dick Baird | 7:31 a.m. June 18, 2009
Hey Dick would the fact that Washington went 0-12 and has a rotten program right
now have anything to do with the TOP QB recruit not wanting to go to your
school? Have you considered that? And seriously, how many people are LDS? Last
time I checked less than 1 % of the world and you think that BYU has an
advantage? Oh, and by the way, I will give it to you that after 2 years of a
mission, missionaries are more mature, but having served a mission and played
college basketball I can tell you it also changes priorities. You get rusty,
you may not have the same desire to play that you did, so quit whining. Maybe
if your team could win a game you might get some recruiting done. And how about
the disadvantage BYU has. How many 18 year old non LDS kids want to go to the
school with our honor code???? You are pathetic. Quit your friggin whining and
hope that U dub can maybe win a couple games this year. Maybe if you can
convert an extra point without getting it blocked, you might get some wins. U
dub is awful!
BYU's disadvantage | 9:23 a.m. June 18, 2009
BYU has the biggest recruiting disadvantage of any D1 school in the United
State. You could not fill out all the D1 teams if they all had BYU's
disadvantage. We'd have to go to 7 man football...
@ 10:20 p.m. | 2:11 p.m. June 18, 2009
First of all, we UTE fans couldn't care less if you zoobies cheered for us
or not. Your support has never been needed. We win our games by putting up
numbers on the scoreboard; not by way of divine intervention or moral
support.
Second of all, we are NOT the most annoying fans on the planet. That would be YOUR fan base. In case you haven't noticed, while the UTES have:
[1] 2 BCS Bowl appearances;
[2] 2 BCS Bowl wins;
[3] the nation's longest win streak;
[4] the nation's longest Bowl winning streak;
[5] 2 Top-5 finishes;
[6] the most wins vs teams from BCS conferences from all non-AQ schools;
[7] head-to-head advantages over the tdS in the last 5, 10, and 15 yrs;
[8] overall head-to-head advantage over the tdS that would require them to win 20 STRAIGHT just to keep up with us...
...and the tdS has NONE of the above, tdS fans still refer to us as "little brother". Your last 2 wins over us were last-minute-miracle-plays, yet you all consider OUR 24-pt annihilation of YOUR team was considered "lucky".
Hypocrites!
Second of all, we are NOT the most annoying fans on the planet. That would be YOUR fan base. In case you haven't noticed, while the UTES have:
[1] 2 BCS Bowl appearances;
[2] 2 BCS Bowl wins;
[3] the nation's longest win streak;
[4] the nation's longest Bowl winning streak;
[5] 2 Top-5 finishes;
[6] the most wins vs teams from BCS conferences from all non-AQ schools;
[7] head-to-head advantages over the tdS in the last 5, 10, and 15 yrs;
[8] overall head-to-head advantage over the tdS that would require them to win 20 STRAIGHT just to keep up with us...
...and the tdS has NONE of the above, tdS fans still refer to us as "little brother". Your last 2 wins over us were last-minute-miracle-plays, yet you all consider OUR 24-pt annihilation of YOUR team was considered "lucky".
Hypocrites!
re: @10:20 p.m. | 2:17 p.m. June 18, 2009
That's great, but how many national championships do you have? Let me help
you
BYU 1
Utah-donut
And what is so awesome about that is Utah will never win a national championship. I love it. And by the way, BYU has won 2 or the last 3 years.
BYU 1
Utah-donut
And what is so awesome about that is Utah will never win a national championship. I love it. And by the way, BYU has won 2 or the last 3 years.
@ 2:17 p.m. | 3:14 p.m. June 18, 2009
Utah was awarded the 2008 National Championship trophy [it's in the trophy
case, go see it for yourself] by FansPoll and CollegeFootballTalk. So as far as
your "...what is so awesome...Utah will never win a national championship.
I love it," you can go cry another river. Your tears have been
delicious.
As far as the AP Poll, Utah acquired 1/3 of the #1 votes Florida received. The recognition was there. However, since FansPoll and CollegeFootballTalk do their postseason evaluations for the NC...IN THE POSTSEASON...rather than the preseason like the AP and USA Today/Coaches poll, AND the voters are the FANS [vis-a-vis LARGER POOL of voters] this trophy has been legitimized. The question YOU must ask yourself is why haven't YOU been able to reach such lofty peaks?
If you ever have the stones to move outside of the Utah County bubble, and interact with people NOT of your faith, you'll find out just how "legitimate" your '84 NC was. Your SOS was 104 out of 108. Michigan was 6-5. The '08 Utes SOS was 31 out of 120. Alabama was 12-1. And ranked!
As far as the AP Poll, Utah acquired 1/3 of the #1 votes Florida received. The recognition was there. However, since FansPoll and CollegeFootballTalk do their postseason evaluations for the NC...IN THE POSTSEASON...rather than the preseason like the AP and USA Today/Coaches poll, AND the voters are the FANS [vis-a-vis LARGER POOL of voters] this trophy has been legitimized. The question YOU must ask yourself is why haven't YOU been able to reach such lofty peaks?
If you ever have the stones to move outside of the Utah County bubble, and interact with people NOT of your faith, you'll find out just how "legitimate" your '84 NC was. Your SOS was 104 out of 108. Michigan was 6-5. The '08 Utes SOS was 31 out of 120. Alabama was 12-1. And ranked!
Can't wait. | 4:49 p.m. June 18, 2009
College football starts in September.
Whining fans and coaches stay around all year.
I will believe the hype when I see the reality on the field. Otherwise Heaps is just a high school player that has proved nothing against college players.
The past is over...I know who won then and I already experienced elation, happiness and less happiness...I am interested in the sport and intensity of future games and seasons.
I think it will be an unconventional season with some suprises and re-emergence of some old conference leaders and competitors. Like CSU and Air Force.
Can't wait.
Whining fans and coaches stay around all year.
I will believe the hype when I see the reality on the field. Otherwise Heaps is just a high school player that has proved nothing against college players.
The past is over...I know who won then and I already experienced elation, happiness and less happiness...I am interested in the sport and intensity of future games and seasons.
I think it will be an unconventional season with some suprises and re-emergence of some old conference leaders and competitors. Like CSU and Air Force.
Can't wait.
For the last time... | 6:27 p.m. June 18, 2009
BYU-HAS-NO-NATIONAL-CHAMPIONSHIPS!
The NCAA website states: The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football.
Into this void have stepped at least 36 self-appointed entities that have declared themselves the deciders of the college football National Champion. The AP poll is only one of many. Interestingly, until the mid 1960s, the AP voted on the National Champion before the bowl games were even played!
Recent arrogance has been for whoever was AP and/or Coaches Poll number one to call themselves the National Champions. This has led to a series of absurd results, such as an abundance of National Championship gear for the year 2003 with both LSU and USC as claimants! In the 1984 AP Poll, BYU received only 38 of 60 first-place votes.
Jeff Sagarins poll has historically had the most credibility. Who was Jeff Sagarins 1984 National Champion? The Florida Gators! In 1984, the 9-1-1 Gator team was deemed to be National Champions by 21 of the 47 rating entities, more than any other college, including BYU! Even the NCAA recognizes the Gators as National Champions on their website!
The NCAA website states: The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football.
Into this void have stepped at least 36 self-appointed entities that have declared themselves the deciders of the college football National Champion. The AP poll is only one of many. Interestingly, until the mid 1960s, the AP voted on the National Champion before the bowl games were even played!
Recent arrogance has been for whoever was AP and/or Coaches Poll number one to call themselves the National Champions. This has led to a series of absurd results, such as an abundance of National Championship gear for the year 2003 with both LSU and USC as claimants! In the 1984 AP Poll, BYU received only 38 of 60 first-place votes.
Jeff Sagarins poll has historically had the most credibility. Who was Jeff Sagarins 1984 National Champion? The Florida Gators! In 1984, the 9-1-1 Gator team was deemed to be National Champions by 21 of the 47 rating entities, more than any other college, including BYU! Even the NCAA recognizes the Gators as National Champions on their website!
Who's crying? | 6:54 p.m. June 18, 2009
Put BYU and all of its 24 year old Mormons in the SEC and they don't win
one game.
Re Whos crying | 9:14 p.m. June 18, 2009
Im a huge Ute and hate BYU but thats a rediculous statement. Id favor byu
against tennessee, vanderbilt, south carolina, kentucky, Arkansas, Auburn and
Mississippi State. Additionally, theyd have a perfectly fine shot against
Georgia, Ole Miss and maybe even Bama. The only team that they would have no
realistic shot against would be Florida. Lets not use stupid bcs loving
conference elitism in our mutual loathing of byu.
Re: 9:14 p.m. | 11:24 p.m. June 18, 2009
Thank you Ute fan. Really. It's unusual to see a guy from the U sticking up
for BYU.
re: 9:14 | 9:06 a.m. June 19, 2009
He wasn't sticking up for byu. He only hates the pub that the SEC gets
more.
A "Blue" Bird in the Hand | 6:51 p.m. June 19, 2009
It is great to get committments of best recruits. It is another thing to have
everything work out, come together over several years when the cards are stacked
against. The U was a great example of pulling it together last season, forcing
the BCS to let'em in again (should have played for the NC). Ben Olsen was
the real thing (Sould've started as freshman at BYU.) and given the chance
and consistent good health would have proven even at UCLA. Things happen,
BYU's program in shambels and he elected elsewhere after his mission. It
happens in different ways at different times. In 1979 everthing was set up for
Danny Vranes to go to BYU. Tom Chambers was favoring going to the same school
as Vranes - things happen and they ended up choosing the U instead of playing
along with Ainge, Roberts et al at BYU. What a team that could have been. I
hope the new recruits work out well but lets worry about getting everyone on
board to live up to this year's expectations. "A bird in the hand is
worth two in the bush"
DL Porter | 11:10 a.m. June 20, 2009
It's amazing that people have the perception BYU has an advantage by
allowing misionaries to play football. Critics always (intentionally or not)
omit the service academies. Do you cry babies want to take on the Air force,
Army, and Navy on the subject of age? The average age of kids on a UNLV
basketball team one year far exceeded the average age of the BYU team, where was
Baird and his fellow sad sacks? Any team that beats BYU should apologize, and
any team that loses to BYU should drop their program. You're playing a team
of married church missionaries for crying out loud. That's not much
different than playing an Amish or Quaker team. Quite frankly, I can't for
the life of me figure out how BYU competes in any sport. Have you seen their
Honor Code? What super jock 5 star athlete wants to go to BYU? If coaches think
the Amish, Quaker and BYU teams have such an advantage, I would suggest those
coaches find another profession, like, for example, McDonald's.
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- Political clash over U.S. debt 12:21 a.m.
- Cave to be sealed with body inside
- Predicting the unpredictable: BYU wins
- Vegas, Poinsettia bowls or bust
- Hall mouths off about hate of Utah
- BYU football: 5 keys to victory
- Glover gives Utes last-second upset
- Cougars turn back Wildcats'
- Man trapped in Nutty Putty cave dies
- Running game key to BYU offense
- Woods, wife unavailable for interview
- Cougars beat Utes in overtime
396 - Hall mouths off about hate of Utah150
- Thunder rolls by Jazz136
- Cave to be sealed with body inside115
- Man trapped in Nutty Putty cave dies115
- Editorial: Poor welcome for Palin113
- Rivalry Week is highly profane88
- Hall's legacy measured today75
- Y. focused on 10-win season73
- Letters: C02 causes warming70
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Football Final | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | T |
| Cougars | 6 | 13 | 7 | 0 | 26 | |
| Utes | 3 | 0 | 0 | 14 | 17 |
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