was a guaranteed loss. Sloan played him anyway. Any other organization would
have made a coaching change after the 8th place finish and playing Collins in
the playoffs. Any other organization would have had Sloan for not
developing Koufos so he could play in the playoffs when Okur went down. At least
with Koufos there might have been a chance to win. KOC/Miller could
have got Mutumbo or Moore or a host of other cheap back ups C who could really
play when Boozer was out. Instead Sloan played Collins. They put themselves in a
situation where Sloan could play Collins knowing the Jazz would lose. Signing Fez is a sign that, for some reason, maybe the idiocy will stop and
maybe the Jazz will make some good decisions. It is not that Fez is
more than a bench warmer with potential. It is that the Jazz are moving forward
and getting rid of dead wood that Sloan insists on playing.Miller
may be influencing things a little. Even KOC is defensive about the idea that
the Jazz Org does not try to win but just trys to make ticket sales. That is a
The comment: "this is why the jazz will never win a championship." has to be one
of the most idiotic I have heard. The Jazz paid Collins over 2 Million to sit
the bench last year but now they pay a bigger and more athletic backup center
with more upside $870K and somehow this move is going to cost the Jazz a
championship? We are talking about probably the 12th man and basically a
minimum contract here. I guess you geniuses think they should have
offered this $870K to LaMar Odom or Marcin Gortat and maybe that kind of money
will bring them to Utah? Get real people, the Jazz have waived players like
Brooks Thompson and others when they still had to pay them more than this. They
kept Raul Lopez and Borchardt around for years until they finally had to cut
their losses. Any moves like this have had very little effect on
the Jazz overall success either way. The amount of harm Fesenko can do is
minimal because even if he doesn't play at all it's not like AK or Boozer taking
up 12-15 million each worth of cap space.
Magnus, i guess now we do not have to be worry about Collins and Knight coming
back, like "you stated would have doubts about the Jazz if that happens" No
room because it "appears" Fez will get a longer look, maybe Collins can get a
job with Kreis at "Real"I JUST HOPE "NO TYLER" He will not make us a
better another power forward or a nice "3" are more of need, or move Brewer
there and get a "true 2"Then I am sure many of you trust O Connor,
of course I do not...
this was a good move, bringing back Collins would not be. I like Fes, I just
hope his effort can catch up to his talent.
tradable and Collins was not. Fez is a much better deal than other option right
now. They can trade his expiring contract if he does not shape up. It is a win
win for the Jazz. Either he develops or they can use him in a package to get
somebody they want.
These summer leagues don't do one thing for most of these young players, mainly
because they get no practice time together before or during the play. So don't
put alot of emphasis on a player attending these scrambled up messes. It mainly
is to show the staffs whether players have any basics!
. . . immature butt to Orlando and run it off during the summer league, Sloan
has every right to sit him on the bench next season. He is lucky to have been
given this contract and needs to show his appreciation with some serious work in
I don't get why you people are so high on Fesenko. He stinks and he'll never
amount to anything. I agree with "Disappointing", this is why the Jazz will
never win a championship. I've said it for over 2 years, Fesenko is never going
to amount to anything in the NBA.
As soon as he is done in Europe send him to Louisana and ask Karl to give us
some help with this kid. Make him live with Karl for a couple months and let
Malone rip on him and MAKE him workout alongside of a real workhorse insisting
that he keep up with him in all workouts. Then when he leaves have Karl threaten
him that if he doesn't continue his instructed workouts that Mr. Malone will pay
a unpleasant visit to Utah! End of Story.
I wasn't trying to say Fesenko will ever be half as good as Duncan or Gasol. My
point was that this idea that you need a certain attitude and some kind of
type-A personality to play in the NBA is ridiculous especially if you are 7 feet
tall and semi-athletic. We have seen all kinds of oddballs make it in the NBA
like Rodman, Bison Dele, and Scot Pollard.The chances of the Jazz
drafting, signing, or trading for the next Olajuwon or Shaq in the next 10 years
are about 0%. Seriously, you see guys like Olowokandi and Kwame Brown drafted
#1 overall and Eric Dampier, Raef LaFrentz, Samuel Dalembert, etc. still making
over 10 Million per season not because they were ever great players but because
they were tall.Now some people are saying Fesenko will never amount
to anything because they watched him play a few minutes in the D-league. How
realistic is that? The Jazz knew he was a project from the start and he's still
only 22 years old. In the worst case they can cut him and eat his $875K
Last time I checked, the Jazz still only have 11 players who could be under
contract for next year and they are way over the luxury. When you can keep a 22
year old 7 footer for less than a million, you have to pick up that option.
this is why the jazz will never win a championship.
I'm glad they picked up the option on Fes but it disappoints me he doesn't think
he needs to come to the summer league. If he wants to be in better graces with
Sloan he needs to be here for the summer league. He has potiential but toughness
and attitude and commitment are lacking. He showed he could play tough against
Yao but ...Sloan is terrible with young players and if Fes doesn't show up
in shape and ready to show a different attitude he will sit the bench and only
be an emergency back up. I would love to see Fes and KK improve enough to force
Sloans hand. They would give us the size and D presence we need. Let's hope they
7'0"'s are always good as trade commodities. Fes is young and has enough raw
skills that someone will want to take a chance on him.Maybe the Jazz
keep him one more year. However, I don't think he'll be around by the start of
the season. Look for him to be packaged in a deal to acquire a veteran starter
at the 2 or 3. Or perhaps a very good sixth man. I'm hoping Greg M.
is a bit more impatient than his father was. Larry was too willingly to hang
onto the status quo. The Jazz need to make some major changes if they're ever
going to be championship contenders.Keep Deron. I also believe
Millsap and possibly Koufos will be extremely valuable players. Everyone else is
expendable if the right deal comes along, IMO.
Fesenko isn't worthy to carry the jock strap for Duncan or for that matter
Gasol. Big guys can be slow but Phil Jackson has actually brought out an
attitude in Gasol. Duncan actually showed he cared about winning. Fesenko acts
like he's just happy to be there.Most basketball purists loved MJ.
He had the heart of a champion. Kobe posesses the same thing. They don't
measure success by effort but rather by success. Fesenko has the
heart of a gentle giant. He's a beefier version of Shawn Bradley. When he
tries to be tough, he fouls and fouls and then sits and watches. Fesenko has
the physical skills. Let's see his mental toughness and heart.
@Calgary.Good observation. They better get a refund for using that stock
photo from AP.
lol, what is Araujo picture doing in article about Fesenko?
The best way to predict the future is upon the past. Fes is Fes--don't look for
many changes (in Fes) and you won't be surprised. He won't be playing in the
summer league and will show up in the fall in the same shape as before-perhaps
minus the clown look.
I wonder if y'all have ever read an article where a player is quoted on how they
feel about Sloan. They almost always say that Sloan is an upfront guy who does
not carry grudges. It doesn't matter if Sloan disliked that Fesenko bleached
his hair. I think he will play any guy who is working hard on the court and is
helping the team. Do we remember how Fesenko played against the Lakers in the
last game of the season? He was not good. He was out of position. He made
horrible fouls. Does a player really need a lot of time on the court to play
intelligently? If so, isn't that what the D-League is all about?
YOU MUST PLAY KOUFOS! He is the real deal, and will be our best big man by the
end of next season. Fes is only a five, but KK can play 4-5. PLAY KOUFOS!!
Good move. Hard to care much about this, though, when I really just want them
to hurry and get things settled one way or the other with Boozer and LOCK DOWN A
DEAL WITH MILLSAP!
Fesenko hasn't really impressed me enough to earn another years salary but I
have confidence in Kevin to take a chance on him for another year. When Fesenko
bleached his hair blonde Sloan called him a clown and don't think Sloan likes
him. After we give him a nice contract like this he'd better be in shape. He'd
better dominate during summer league and not be hot and cold. After seeing him
in summer league we'll see what he can do.
When you say "Fesenko is the antithesis of tough." my first thought was so are
Gasol and Tim Duncan. So what? They are tall and use their height well. Sure
Ostertag had his limitations on offense but he did block shots and rebound well.
If he didn't do anything worthwhile then Sloan wouldn't have played him at all
because he hated the guy. Do you think the Zenmaster would have
played guys like Luc Longley and Will Purdue if it is really all that easy for a
6'7" overachiever (like Millsap) to achieve the same results as a 7' soft and
lazy slacker? There must be something to these big stiffs when just about every
playoff team has had some if they aren't lucky enough to have an all-star like
Dwight Howard, Duncan, or Yao. The Jazz could really use more size
because even though Okur is 6'11" he doesn't really play like it and neither
does Collins. Maybe they can't count on Fesenko to fill this need any time soon
but if not what have they really lost? A 2nd round pick and 875K.
running up and down the court. When his tongue hangs out and he slows up Sloan
can substitute. Sloan needs to play whoever will help win and get off of his
biases. The idea that you have to earn playing time while Sloan
plays some less talented veteran is garbage and bad coaching. That
is one more Sloanism that irritates those who are focused on winning instead of
work ethic. If a guy has talent play him. Keep the best combos on the floor.
They will get into shape real quick with enough playing time.Shaq
was not always in the best of shape. Would Sloan bench him?Actually
I think Koufos is going to shine. Fez is more of a developing insurance player
who is good for special match ups and cheap.Fez can contribute more
than Collins did.
At 7-1 300lb Fes is literally a giant even by NBA standards. I am not totally
sure but I think he is 3rd in size behind Shaq and Yao. Yet he is atheletic, he
is not cursed with the Mark Eaton 1 inch verticle (nothing against Eaton). Also
it should be noted that condition for someone that size does not come easy as it
puts emmense strain on the heart (see great danes/andre the giant). Also it
should be noted that Fes played with an intensity greater than Collins, Okur,
and Boozer most of the time. Sloan needs to cut him some slack (he gives plenty
of slack to underachieving all-stars) and give Fes more play time or better yet
I like this move. He's big, athletic for his size, and has a ton of potential. I
hope we get to see more from him this year, but honestly that's up to him. To Sloan's defense though, if I had a professional like Jarron Collins
who shows up every night, works hard, doesn't complain, and battles on every
play, I'd probably have played him more than the rugged, sometimes sluggish, and
lacking effort Kyrylo Fesenko. I think Sloan wants these guys to not feel like
playing time is a right... you have to earn it. Each of the last two years Fes
has come into camp out of shape, although last year was better than his rookie
season. In regards to Morris Almond, I've never heard the Jazz say
that they have no interest in re-signing him. After they decided not to pick up
his third year option, Kevin O'Connor stated that Almond could still re-sign
with the Jazz. Don't be shocked if he comes to camp and earns a one year deal. I
hope that he does.
RE: JASONI agree with Almond...I don't understand why the jazz draft
him in the first round, and give him a lot of money just to sit on the bench. He
hasn't even had a chance to play. The guy can flat out shoot and I would like to
see him get a chance, before we let him go. I feel like if we don't resign him,
it will be another Mo williams incident.
Fesenko could potentially develop into the long, shot blocking presence, we need
so desperately in the middle. And the price is right...a real bargain by NBA
standards. Good move by the Jazz. Now hopefully Fes takes advantage of the
opportunity, because he no longer qualifies for D-League play with the flash.I think letting Almond go could come back to bite the Jazz. The guy can
flat out shoot, and could end up being a tremendous player in the right system.
Obviously, there must have been a personality conflict with the coaching staff,
because I can't think of any other reason he wasn't given more of an
opportunity. Korver shot poorly most of the season, and Brewer is very erratic
with his perimeter game. Maybe when he's gone, more info will come out. I was
really excited when the Jazz drafted him, and just can't understand where things
went wrong with him. So what if he isn't much of a passer or defender...which
describes most players in the NBA.
it tells me Collins is gone. Fine, Thanks for his service we respect the 8
years wearing our colors with pride, good attitude and professionalism. This
had been long overdue. Maybe a good sign. Now Brevie needs to be next. Of
course, Sloan and the "holics" still around.....unfortunately...
An expiring throw-away contract to replace Collins. Ok. Give Kosta minutes!
Let's send Fesenko to the Karl Malone school of conditioning and inside play.
At the end of last season, there was a lot of talk about the Jazz
getting tougher, nastier. Fesenko is the antithesis of tough. He's Greg
Ostertag and we don't need another 'tag. If Fesenko wants to play in
the NBA, he needs to get tough. That may be like asking Richard Simmons to 'man
up'. Possible, but HIGHLY improbable. I want to see more Kosta Koufas!
re:game. netter than no defense? Fes was good defensively offense is question.
seems to have left Coach behind and it showed in the late 2 or 3 games of the
finials. If nothing else Fes would be great under the rim. At least he is
willing to knock some one down when driving to the rim (he might want to work on
that a little),but its better than no defense.
as long as he wins. However, his biases tend to lose games. Orlando's Van Gundy
seems to be a free wheeler going with the hot hand and hunches. He also explains
why he does what he does. If Utah could get a coach who was the
best of Sloan and Van Gundy they might get a ring.
Fez and the Kouf need to start taking Jarron Collins' minutes. I may
never forgive Sloan for playing Knight (and Hart) instead of Price. Sloan's
crush on veterans makes me sick sometimes.
a little insurance if they can't come to terms with Okur. In which case Koufos
would have to start and Fez back him up until a better arrangement was made.It also means that Koufos could get moved to back PF if Boozer walks and
the Jazz can't/don't replace him.The Jazz need capable cheap role
players if they are going to pay DWill his max salary and Millsap more money.
maybe things are starting to change for the better. Fez is cheap insurance, can
be played in special match ups, and might be able to develop into a decent
defensive C with some offensive potential. His expiring contract can also be
used in trades. This also implies that Collins has been replaced as
the back up C. Collins did the best that he could and was a decent guy. However,
Fez should put up much better numbers. Just the idea that maybe the Jazz are
making some much needed changes is encouraging. This also implies
that Koufos could see some playing time at both PF and C. Now if the
Jazz can get a really good back up PG that will be another step forward.