Racial overtones? It punishes all people here illegally. How can that be
racial?Children born here are not an issue. They would be going home
with their parents Mr. Robles. Could you explain why you would think otherwise?
Why is SB-81 being debated?It passed... it's law! ENFORCE IT!
Why is any american even considering defending any illegal aliens who has forced
their way criminally across our borders for the sole purpose of being and
economic dependent and thief? The only racial overtone is that they are all
illegal mexicans, a single race identifiable by race. When there is no other way
of identifying illegal foreign nationals except by race then this is what we are
left with to establish illegals and deport them. These illegals have chosen
their path and now must face the consequences. And for anyone to suggest parents
abandon their children in a foreign country is deplorable. One measure that
should be included in the SB81 bill is to deny citizen birth certificates to
children of illegals because the certificates were falsified by the parents with
stolen ID's or false names, therefore makes them and illegal document. Give
these children certificates of birth in a foreign country and that they are not
americans. These 'anchor babies' are a disgrace to america and don't deserve any
credibility. These parents used these children as a pawn for illegal and
criminal acts. Their shame is of their own making.
We should adobe Mexico immigration laws. If the Mexican citizens do not rob,
rape or kill illegals the Mexican government will. They unlike our
Corrupt/Lawless politicians enforce their Immigration laws!
The reason that it will stay the same is becuase both sides of the aisle agree
on the issue for different reasons. The Republicans get cheap labor for their
rich contributors. The Democrats get an increase in supprot for programs for the
poor & more votes for looking sympathetic. For both parties it is win win & like
campaign finance reform & term limits will never change.
For those opposed to SB81-Please tell us ALL the laws which people
should be allowed to ignore. If they are laws that can be ignored then they
should be repealed as not necessary.Let me start the list far you,
and then YOU add all the other laws;1. U.S. immigration laws
requiring visa, and permission.2. U.S. having a secure border3. [for you to fill in...]
its hard to imagine that emotions ran high and they where not able to find any
understanding of each other concerns at that meeting based on the very calm and
rational responses on this thread.
right because every law passed was a good idea right? maybe we should have never
done away with segregation laws or the extermination orders on the LDS faith.
comparing this bill to other sound law that may actually help the situation is a
really weak argument to defend a bad bill.
Based on the statements and actions of some "immigrant activists" I would add
the following:3. Laws requiring voters to be citizens4.
Laws against identity theft5. Laws requiring a social security for
Where is the humanity? I would guess that the majority of the commenters on
this page are christian. With that being said, where is IT? People are
survivors and they do what is necessary to survive. Open the borders across the
world. I love the undocumented people that come here. KEEP SURVIVING!!
I was there! The ironic thing about the emotions ran high part is all of the
yelling and threats came from those for the bill. This whole argument comes down
to money! Uneducated people are worried about losing their jobs to immigrant
workers. News Flash! 1. For the most part immigrant workers are not taking your
jobs. 2. If they are go out and take advantage of the wonderful education
opportunities that are available to you. We have become a very entitled society
and feel we are owed everything. NOT TRUE, if you have not got an education that
is your fault you have had every opportunity to do so and still can if you
havent. On the corporate side of things Large corporations lobby heavily to make
sure immigration laws don't change and make sure local governments turn their
heads to their companies.
Now for the future, Immigration is important and essential for and thriving
economy, do some research. There is more upward mobility in class with
immigrants than those who are Long time citizens. My belief is if we truly want
to have a global economy then lets open our doors to everyone who is not a
criminal. The children of immigrants for the most part go to college they get
graduate degrees they become productive members of society. Their motivation is
the same as yours and mine, the same as our ancestors who made it able for us to
be born citizens of this great country. They want to provide for their families
the best possible.
In this meeting Rep. Herod said 46% of Hispanics are committing all the crimes
in Utah. NOT TRUE Mr. Herod, simply NOT TURE, and if you say your not a racist
that is sure a comment with racial undertones. So any of you who think a Mexican
is coming to take your job, I say shame on you, shame on you for not using the
many opportunities this wonderful country has to offer you to make yourself a
better person. Shame on you feeling someone or our country owes you anything
when you are not willing to better yourself because it might make you miss some
of your beer drinking time. So I say go drink another and wait for you
unemployment to come in and blame it on the Mexicans!
I guess the moderator didn't like my comment, it wasn't offensive but I AGREE
with you Humane!
where I live. WVC USED to be a nice area to live in. The illegals have pretty
much taken it over. I make a fairly good income and could probably afford to
move, BUT I REFUSE to give up. I keep hoping on hope, that they'll (someone)
will enforce the law! I stop at the store this a.m. for a sandwich and have to
wait behind a 30 something couple that doesn't speak a word of English that had
3 DIFFERENT purchases, one with the WIC vouchers, one for the food stamp
vouchers, and one for the beer and coffee purchases. Which reminds me, I live
right next to one of the "Mexican markets", and if those guys leaving there with
beer are 21, I'm 130. I've tried calling the police and asking them to MAYBE do
a sting and send someone in to check it out, but if they have I sure don't see
any difference!Long story short, I've concluded there's one set of rules
for illegals, another set of rules for all the rest of us!
Humane - who was it that said something about rendering unto Ceasar that which
was Ceasar's? Have you had your identity stolen yet? has a relative been fired
from his $20/hour construction job because the contractor found some illegals
willing to do it for $8? Or perhaps you think it humane that human
traffickers (sp?) are able to take advantage of the illegals and use them as
virtual slaves, keeping them in substandard and unsafe living conditions (25 in
a two room apartment locked from the outside) and collecting $15/hour for their
labor and only giving them $3, after charging them $2500 to smuggle them into
the country? yep, that's pretty humane. Why do you choose to ignore things
like that?you like udocumented people coming here? you want to
fling the border wide open? Great! Osama, send in a few hundred al qaeda
operatives! we could do with a few hundred north korean operatives and chinese
spies. the russians and iranians would love it to.
To me, this issue is the No. 1 issue with voters. Due to the fact that MANY
cities STILL refuse to enforce the law, I suggest lawmakers add more "teeth" to
it. When lawmakers re-convene in Jan. and sit around and wonder why they can't
make the budget work, they should be considering how much they spend on services
for illegals. Free healthcare, free social services, jobs lost that should be
going to Utahns, etc. I get a little tired of lawmakers whining about not being
able to make the budget work when they're giving away our hard-earned tax
dollars to the illegals!Since the Feds REFUSE to enforce the law, it
now falls to Utah State Govt. and local cities, whether we like it or not!
Kids born here to illegal parents-no problem. Just give the mom a choice. She
can go home and take her kid with her, or she can go home and leave the kid with
legal relatives, or put it up for adoption. Either way the illegal person
leaves. Its not right to award the illeagl woman by letting her sneak into the
country, get pregant and stay the rest of her life. Send her back, send back any
illegal males, and let the mom make a real hard choice.
Josh,We have 8 million employed illegals in this country driving
down wages for legal Americans. How dare you criticize your own countrymen in
support of law breakers and theifs. Get a clue about this invasion and stop
blaming poor and uneducated blacks, whites and hispanic Americans for the
invasion of thier lands.
I totally disagree with all those that they have a close-mind and think the
inmigrant people is stoling the american jobs. I hope it would be not to late
for this state, becuase if illegal inmigrants left there would be not enough
income to survive the crisis the BUSH get into...
Arrest all criminal invaders and those who do not up hold the laws in place that
protect legal citizens.
It the law, right? Why dont we start by enforcing the polygomist laws. We are still debating SB 81 because Patriot Americans are hiring illegal
immigrants to do the hard work and keep them off the book and not pay taxes.
so im miguel i born in texas so im a us citizen my parents also are citizens but
not my grandparents i do speak more spanish than english i spent more time i
mexico than in usa, i couldn't get in to the army because i have a big tattoo of
the mexican flag in my back i recently came from my mission(LDS member) in
mexico and i just found a law in utah were i meet my girl that its gonna affect
the latino raza no matter if they are legal or not because if a cop stops you
walking on the streets and you looks latino for them you are illegal rigth?!