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Artifact thefts targeted by federal officials

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this may help | 10:18 a.m. June 10, 2009
even the locals have repented there as they now realize the importance of the area. they have even yanked a few chains in correcting the behavior the people are more conscious of what is going on down there. it is time for all to get educated about the destruction being done to such magnifigant sites which won't be around very much longer if allowed to be mistreated ...so here's to you local people ..you are really the stewards for the rest of america!!
KM | 11:09 a.m. June 10, 2009
Feds target the U.S. citizens for theft.
Mind your own business | 11:36 a.m. June 10, 2009
There are miles and miles or land that have not even been touched by anyone in that area. You people in the city think you know everthing and try to control peoples lives. These artifacts would lay barried forever and people would never have the chance to understand or view them if people did not find them. If you knew the area you would know what you are talking about. Seeing as you dont, maybe you should look at all the crime, rape, drugs and other problems around you in the city and put our tax dollars to use on fixing real problems. I cant believe the FBI showed up with gains to get these people, they would do less to a murderer. Get your facts and worry about yourself.
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Worry about yourself | 11:49 a.m. June 10, 2009
When will people in the city worry about themselves and their own problems like drugs, murder, ect... I think its ridiculous the FBI had to bring down 100 men with guns to search the homes of these people for some pottery. They would do much less dealing with drug traffickers or murderers. Stop trying to tell others what to do and worry about the problems in your backyard. Since you dont know the area you have no credibility.
ray | 11:58 a.m. June 10, 2009
i think they should leave all artifacts lay where they are so the dust will eventually cover them up then they will be gone forever.
Priorities? | 12:37 p.m. June 10, 2009
Okay, its a crime to steal stuff off public land.

However, we have tens of thousands of people here in UTAH (and many millions nationwide) who have broken federal laws prohibiting entering the U.S. without permission. Worse, a number of these illegal aliens are dealing drugs, and engaged in violent crimes.

Why are the FBI and the (chronically grandstanding) U.S. Attorney Brett Tolman wasting time on folks picking up arrowheads in the middle of nowhere while illegal alien criminals are roaming our streets committing new crimes.

WHO SETS THE PRIORITIES?
A crime is a crime | 12:43 p.m. June 10, 2009
Bravo to the law enforcement officers for their hard work. It seems that those arrested were treated as criminals because they were enganged in criminal activity. Robbing archaeological sites on federal land is just as much of a crime as drug dealing, bank robbery and other crimes.

I grew up on a ranch in the southwest and am too familiar with rifle-bearing pothunters who would desecrate sites with backhoes, taking what they wanted and destroying the rest, including graves. This was done all in the name of profit, and folks would trespass on private property and federal lands to do it. Pothunting is not a passive hobby; it is a serious blackmarket business that robs us of our shared national heritage.
Give me a break | 1:49 p.m. June 10, 2009
I would be willing to bet that at least 75% of the residents in the four corners have some sort of artifact in their home.... weather it be an arrow head or a big hunk of pottery, thats just how it is down here. So untill you plan on searching every home down here stay in the city where all the drama and problems should stay.
RE: MYOB & Worry | 2:23 p.m. June 10, 2009
After living in Moab and Monticello and doing business in Blanding for many years I know very well the "we're above the law" attitude that infects this part of Utah and their county commissioners. The same family names Redd and Shumway keep coming up in the news - over and over. How about the slaughter of the deer outside of Monticello or Earl (Mnt. Dew) Shumways looting of Indian graves in 1995 or James & Jeanne Redd looting Anasazi grave.

How about we dig up some of the old Mormon pioneers graves in southern Utah to get some good stuff to sell?
Anonymous | 3:16 p.m. June 10, 2009
I understand the concern over pot hunters and desecrating/destroying Indian burial sites and other places of archeological significance, but I think criminalizing the collecting of points and arrowheads broken or whole, randomly found in the wilderness in non-archeological significant sites is absurd. Many of these articles would be forever lost and completely unknown to humanity if they are not picked up by the random hiker or hunter lucky enough to come across them in their travels.
wow | 3:30 p.m. June 10, 2009
look how arrogant some of these comments are ..that explains the attitude and stewardship these people think they have over this area. I personally know many of these people who so readily snitch another out or have to know the latest scandal even amongst their own members of the predominant religion. Well if you talk the talk , you better walk the walk and don't try to hide behind other's sins..you go to church every darn wk so you don't pay the lord your tigte with ill gotten money just impress your neighbors either.Obey the law of the land because the city folk do!
Anonymous | 3:40 p.m. June 10, 2009
Why do so many Utahan seem not to understand English? What part of "public" in public lands don't you understand?

Using the values of rural Utah if you park your car and leave it, they have a right to steal it. This makes one wonder where they were taught values!
go ole' utah | 3:46 p.m. June 10, 2009
In about 300 hundred years the next inhabitants will be digging up your trash (plastic bags, plastic bottles, glassware, Xbox), home, and graves. What comes around goes around.
notice | 3:49 p.m. June 10, 2009
how not one native american is on that list ...we wouldn't dig up Brigham Young's grave nor desecrate the sacred temple yet these people do! How arrogant and I hope your church leaders are watching! Because as you guys have been hammering the natives down there with the law...it's your turn to dance to the tune! Obey the law of the land and follow the command! What don't you understand? It has nothing to do with wheter one is city folk or hill billie folk. Just be the right folk! Notice the names and that says alot about the arrogance these folk hold as if they have the god given right to go ahead and break the law. The Redds have a history of this and need to do the 90% of any time given! And you school teachers need to be kicked out as i don't want no felons around my kids!! Get er done!
they deserve it | 4:11 p.m. June 10, 2009
i think they desrve evry charge they get they went to sacred grounds and disturbed them. how wuld u like it if someone bothered the place were u lay? its cool to see ancient stuff but if u dnt have permission dnt touch em its like the temples in mexico they r sacred and we dnt like pple messin with em, thk u for sum justice for the pple who R.I.P. have sum respect
with so many | 4:20 p.m. June 10, 2009
law enforcement officers living in Blanding on every block , how come they never noticed? Oh, I know just look at the last names. Special strokes for Special folks , damn the country , damn the religion, damn the native beliefs who have lived there longer yet don't do this autrocity. As far as the 75% , well buddy that is still how many are breaking the law and still try to say they obey the law of the land as taught by their leaders. Some of these people are leaders themselves in the field of medicine , education who should lose those positions for sure. Many take their last names to seriously as if that is going to get them in heaven. A yyyyeeeeehaaaaawwww! Dueling banjos!
Cats | 4:34 p.m. June 10, 2009
I live in the Four Corners area of Utah. Everyone I know if VERY respectful of the ruins and artifacts in the area. In fact, I know people who know many archeological sites that they will not reveal to anyone because they don't want damage done to the sites.

Yes, there are many that have artifacts in their homes, but the vast majority of these have been obtained on their own private property. You need to understand that this area has THOUSANDS of ancient ruins. They are literally everywhere. A great many of these sites exist on private property.

Most people in the Four Corners area are EXTREMELY protective of this area and the natural and historic treasures that are here. Unfortunately, a few people may have betrayed the trust and looted these sites. THAT IS A CRIME. If these people are guilty they should be prosecuted. that remains to be seen. LET'S WAIT AND SEE HOW EVERYTHING PLAYS OUT.
Yes but... | 4:38 p.m. June 10, 2009
Many found arrowheads on their own farms. Others found them on public lands years ago prior to laws and social stigma. Those charged here are alleged to have been creating a wake of theft and destruction on public lands. If so, they should be convicted.
Where's the respect? | 4:45 p.m. June 10, 2009
It's amazing that people have such little respect. These people didn't take just arrowheads or pieces of pottery. These people raided burial grounds! How would you feel if someone dug up the grave of your family members and stole their wedding bands, necklaces or other meaningful pieces of jewelry? How would you feel if someone scattered your relatives bones? Come on people!

Yes, there are several local families who have been doing this for generations
but they're breaking the law. Let's not forget that. Small town politics and name dropping isn't going to work this time.

This local is very pleased with todays outcome and will be very interested to see what happens next.
Awe shucks... | 5:03 p.m. June 10, 2009
If proven, these acts are dispicable.

But these are only a fraction of the people in San Juan County. The vast majority of San Juan's people are law abiding citizens. The "Redd" family has thousands of members of various lines so we can't blame it on a family or two. We also don't know the religion of any of these folks or whether they go to church or not. I'll judge people by their actions--not their geography, surname or religion.
take your medicine | 5:04 p.m. June 10, 2009
this is a crime..by educators who are suppose to be good examples..yet have squandered their existence for a pocket full of mumble pegs...all should be ashamed of yourself. this area has been toxined by every imaginable source for the all mighty dollar. I hope your leaders do speak out very loudly on this issue..Echo Hawk is doing his job and living the religion of the LDS faith..he follows and enforces the law of the sacred so why can't the rest of you?
Anonymous | 5:26 p.m. June 10, 2009
I wondered how long it would be before people tried to turn this into an LDS issue and how hippocritical all the Mormons are. This has nothing to do with that.

In the eighties a prominent couple in Blanding had their home raided and they were arrested for having artifacts. It turned out they had obtained every one of them legally. We have to see how this thing plays out. There may be some extenuating circumstances.

Anyway, PLEASE people let's not turn this into a Mormon thing. IT'S NOT.
Sacred Grounds | 5:37 p.m. June 10, 2009
burial grounds, are considered "Sacred Grounds" like any graveyard, it is very much against the law, to dig up, and or take articles from!

But to be out on public lands and happen upon a broken, or chipped arrowhead or piece of pottery or a bead from an ant pile, I don't feel there should be anything illegal about it!
Anonymous | 5:43 p.m. June 10, 2009
This is all politics and show. Probably most of these folks will get off because the government has to prove that any artifacts they have were taken from Federal Lands. That will be almost impossible to prove. Most of these people have extended families in that area and they own hundred and hundred of acres of private land. Taking artifacts from private land is perfectly legal. Probably 99% of the people who live in the Four Corners area have arrowheads and pottery shards sitting around on a shelf in their home. Shall we assume they are all fellons. Someone needs to get a life!
heck of a way to fight a war | 6:10 p.m. June 10, 2009
Maybe this one will get posted. The informant found some young kids who dumb enough to take him out and dig some sites. He then bragged and continue destroying sites side by side with the ones arrested. Unlike when the government makes drugs from readily available drugs then puts them out on the street to sell and arrest people. Artifacts have to be found and dug on sacred sites. The only way the informant could gain the trust of these old men, was to build a reputation as a player. The government man plundered the same ruins they are now bragging about protecting. It's called intrapment and it is worse when a government agency breaks the law because they are sworn to uphold it. People need to realize how this agent built up the trust. sadly most wont care because it gives them a happy feeling thinking something good happend. As president Nixon said when the president or in this case the government does it it is not against the law. Sad day for America Law.
L | 6:15 p.m. June 10, 2009
I have lived in Moab and worked in the Monticell and Blanding area. Some of the names are recognizable. I is well known in some circles that this is a COMMERCIAL (Black market type without a business license etc.) that is not limited to just the present, but has gone on for a long time. This is criminal activity just as are some of the gang actions elswhere who should also be prosicuted whenever charges can be proven.

To the archelogist, an arrowhead, a pot or other artifact is significant, but where it was found, what was around there, sometimes even the vegetation is important in putting the puzzle together.

Go down to the store, buy a puzzle, reach in and randomly trow away some of the pieces. Now put the puzzle together ... sometimes it will make sense and other time you may wonder what was on those missing pieces.

I complement the authorities for working togethe to find and arrest these criminals. I hope the court systems follows through with other than a slap on the wrist and leaves the message that crime does not pay.

There are a lot of great people in SEUtah, some BAD ones!
DonQuixoteinUtah | 6:44 p.m. June 10, 2009
No way, the white man stealing from indigenous people. Unbelievable! That's never happened before. The white man would sell his mother if he could.
puzzeled | 6:55 p.m. June 10, 2009
So how many pieces of the puzzle did our government throw away. This individual and others bragged and showed then sold artifacts dug up at the Poncho House. This one is on the Navajo Reservation. The Navajo's should be relaxed knowing our government is raiding their ruins to protect the ancestors. I wonder if the Indians on the television have been informed of this disaster. I think not. So many pieces of the puzzle left or lost with out the truth.
puzzled | 7:00 p.m. June 10, 2009
puzzeled | 6:55 p.m. June 10, 2009
So how many pieces of the puzzle did our government throw away. This individual and others bragged and showed then sold artifacts dug up at the Poncho House. This one is on the Navajo Reservation. The Navajo's should be relaxed knowing our government is raiding their ruins to protect the ancestors. I wonder if the Indians on the television have been informed of this disaster. I think not. So many pieces of the puzzle left or lost with out the truth
It's About Time | 7:13 p.m. June 10, 2009
There are alot of things such as this that happens in Blanding. Because they have "the name" they get away with things. They are never held accountable for their actions. Usually the kids of these so called "upstanding citizens" get off the hook but if you have no connections you get the full extent of the law. So I say it's about time.
who's we whiteman? | 7:27 p.m. June 10, 2009
these people are so intolerant and insensetive of the native people..unless it involves money..a history of ..justice department on voting violations..court jury panel selection effect..nepotism on jobs..in a county of 55% navajo there exist very few Dine' people in that big sheriffs force. The justice department needs to look at how many natives are sent to prison vs. non natives for the same crimes.And yes religion does play a huge part in the hiring process especially when you have a recemt felon working in the hospital system getting special treatment in some highly sensitive areas.Surely this kingdom will one day fall as all the natives see what is the truth!
Really? | 7:48 p.m. June 10, 2009
So these sights are the Navajo's ancestors? It is my understanding that when the Navajos showed up these people left or "disapeared". The reason why Navajos don't go to these sights is because it is like going to the scene of a crime their ancestors committed long ago when they moved in. Yes, there were Native Americans before our current native americans. When are we going to hear an apology from the tribes for the deeds of their ancestors?
RE whos's we whiteman? | 7:54 p.m. June 10, 2009
You need to look up the facts and find out how many natives have been kicked off the force for dui or breaking some other part of the oath.
Would if the tables were turned? | 7:54 p.m. June 10, 2009
As a Native American myself I was so happy to finally read about something being done about these people taking precious items from the dead and other sacred items, I would love to ask all of them if I can dig up there relatives and take what I want to put on display for my own purposes. We were all taught from a young age that "If it's not yours, don't take it!!!!"
IQ | 8:02 p.m. June 10, 2009
For all of you who are calling these sacred burial grounds. Realize that most of these ancient people buried their dead in their trash piles or anywhere else where the ground was soft. As for the Navajo customs of respecting their dead. Until the white man came along they just sent the old people off into the desert to die and don't even know where their bones went. Now for sanitary purposes they are forced to bury them. Show me an Indian burial ground from l850 to 1920.
puzzled | 8:07 p.m. June 10, 2009
When I said this "individual" I was refering to the agent that turned in all the evidence and the boys he was digging with, not my self. Dont need the federal agents busting down my house.
Cats | 8:09 p.m. June 10, 2009
It will be really interesting to see just what kind of proof they have in court. How do you prove how antiquities were obtained, where they came from, how long ago they were obtained and if they were obtained legally or illegally. That's going to be pretty hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Clearly, the credibility of the informant will be questioned.

If these people have obtained and sold these items illegally, they should be prosecuted and convicted. However, it's going to be pretty hard to prove. I also think that if they are convicted they should probably pay fines and not be incarcerated. I think some of this stuff can get a little crazy and unreasonable nowadays.

I know of sites where ancient human remains are sticking out of the sides of cliffs just eroding away. No one tries to rebury them because the Indians don't want anyone to touch them--not even to preserve them. So they are just deteriorating away and soon will be gone. Kind of illogical, huh.

RE: IQ | 8:22 p.m. June 10, 2009
True, so true. To bad that most of America has bought into the whole "Dances with Wolves" stuff. Have the Utes ever apologized for enslaving children from other tribes. I wonder if those kids would be considered artifacts? Read your history folks.
Culture | 8:26 p.m. June 10, 2009
Yes this is a cultural problem. I started with the Weatherill, continued with the Universities of Utah and BYU paying the local residents of Blanding to dig (Ruins and Burials) artifacts to place in their museums. ($5 per Pot at the time, and contunued as a hobby and a meager way to make a few extra dollars for a few residents. I has been passed down from several generations.
To lump this groups together and say they all did the same bad things is just not true. Some are Pothunters and burial robbers, some are collectors of artifacts, and some, in contrast, are mearly arrowhead hunters. I'm sure they will all be held accountable for their appropriate actions. This battle has been going on for years between the "feds" and "a few" residents of San Juan Co. To say they all break the law and lay claim to San Juan Co. is just not true. This problem is not specific to one family name and the LDS church has nothing to do with this, and for my Native American brothers to say they are above reproach on this issue....I know better, but I don't blame you all!
LIKE I SAID BEFORE | 9:20 p.m. June 10, 2009
IF IT'S NOT YOURS DON'T TAKE IT!!!!
The Almight $$$$ | 9:49 p.m. June 10, 2009
That's what it's all about. According to the article I read, it said alot of these people were selling these items to feed their meth addictions and probably to pay for their outrageous homes, cars, boats, atv's and other toys.
And it all comes down to the fact that they did break the law. Two of them have already gone through this and they didn't learn their lesson the first time around. I think they are cash strapped even being a physician because his wife was always pushy trying to sell some sort of health products even if you didn't want it.
a | 10:18 p.m. June 10, 2009
Never been so proud to NOT be related to any of the "prominent" families.
WSU Cougar | 11:49 p.m. June 10, 2009
It's very simple. If something is not yours and you take it, it's stealing and you are a thief. Period.

Can't get simplier than that!
Finders Keepers? | 1:42 a.m. June 11, 2009
Yeah, some guy selling trunk loads of this stuff needs to be stopped, but if you find an arrowhead on the ground while exploring, who should you return it to? Who are you stealing from? Who else would have ever found it if not found by anyone else after the past couple hundred years? I like them prosecuting the guys making tons of money digging up and selling, but average Joes who accidentially find some small remnants while hiking should be left alone.
John A. | 6:07 a.m. June 11, 2009
Selective law enforcement at it's best. Turn a blind eye to illegal alien felons and go after legal citizens who are no threat at all. Perhaps, the artifacts were collected on private land. If that is the case, then no law was broken. Let's see what happens when the whole story is revealed.
obey the law | 6:15 a.m. June 11, 2009
what part of illegal do these folks not understand?
Leave it behind | 7:01 a.m. June 11, 2009
30 years ago it may have been acceptable to collect pot shards and arrowheads, not anymore. Why must we feel a sense of dominion over all we encounter? It seems far more significant to come upon a pot shard village in its natural locale rather than in a box in ones closet. I hope for maximum sentencing for those found guilty; let a stern message be sent. Please people: look, admire and touch, but please leave behind what you find.
Re: Finders Keepers? | 7:20 a.m. June 11, 2009
Return what you find to where you found itpretty simple. It is becoming increasingly rare to find any remnant of the Ancestral Puebloan culture in its original locale. If we all take what we find, there will soon be nothing left. Realize that its likely that other people have already discovered your finding; they chose to leave it behind. If you found an artifact from the Museum of Natural History that had mistakenly fallen to the ground, would you feel entitled to take it home? Perhaps we should view the Four Corners area as its own natural museum?
So what | 7:33 a.m. June 11, 2009
I don't care if people dig up treasures. Let them find them, preserve them, sell them to the highest bidder. Why leave them buried? Gov't wants the treasures for themselves. Gov't employees want to protect their jobs, justify their existance.
Anonymous | 8:00 a.m. June 11, 2009
Let's get one thing clear. These artifacts are NOT Navajo. Anasazi is a Navajo word meaning "ancient enemies." These are the remnants of a different ancient people who most believe to be the ancestors of the Pueblo Indians. They were a violent, vicious, cannibalistic people. I'm sorry to say that, but it's the truth. Let's not have any romantic illusions about about their civlization.

Now, having said that, the artifacts are priceless and it is illegal to take and sell them. People need to learn to treat these sites with respect and the vast majority of people in San Juan County do.

If these people are guilty they need to be held responsible. However, it might be pretty hard to prove in court that these items were not found on private lands or that they weren't found prior to the enactment of the law.

Let's wait and see just how well the cases hold up in court.

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Examples of the types of ancient artifacts that have been stolen are displayed. Many of the Anasazi items that have been looted and sold were found on federally owned land.

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