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Anonymous | 12:50 p.m. June 11, 2009
some of you are stating that gays may "never overcome their
tendencies" as if they should.
why should they? because someone told you it was bad? who made you the moral police?
why should they? because someone told you it was bad? who made you the moral police?
Jack | 12:57 p.m. June 11, 2009
Sorry, gay relationship, marriage, etc...it's all wrong and no matter how
many people, i.e.: experts, politicians, media-types, Hollywood Heroes,
psychaitrists, etc. support such a movement still doesn't change one
truth...IT'S WRONG!
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ACCORDING TO YOU? | 1:29 p.m. June 11, 2009
According to your religions? If it is "wrong" to you then don't
practice it. But you have no right to tell others how they have to live their
lives.
God is the invention | 1:35 p.m. June 11, 2009
'Inventing statistics': I thought John DC made some nice - and rather
saner than most on this board - comments.
God is real? Proof please. The Bible - esp. in the English version - is anything but a fictionalized historical record? Proof please.
(sigh)
God is real? Proof please. The Bible - esp. in the English version - is anything but a fictionalized historical record? Proof please.
(sigh)
Anonymous | 1:52 p.m. June 11, 2009
Jack,
Could you give me one secular reason that it is wrong? Is there a civil law that makes it wrong? Or is that just your belief? Should we make laws based on peoples beliefs without reasons for them?
Jack?
Could you give me one secular reason that it is wrong? Is there a civil law that makes it wrong? Or is that just your belief? Should we make laws based on peoples beliefs without reasons for them?
Jack?
Oh my | 2:06 p.m. June 11, 2009
The ignorant philosophies of men are running rampant today.
Lucky | 2:11 p.m. June 11, 2009
I'm thank my lucky stars I have enough knowledge not to fall for the
twisted reasoning of the gay activists. I feel sorry for those who don't.
It is a very confusing complex world we live in.
hey jack | 2:24 p.m. June 11, 2009
why is it wrong? because you say so? LOLOL
SLCSKP | 3:03 p.m. June 11, 2009
RE: Come along way
The reason why "gay" people find your story threatening is the number of people who mistakenly assume that if it's possible for YOU to overcome your same-sex attraction (SSA), then it's possible for EVERYBODY to do the same thing.
From religious zealots who lecture gay people on how they can simply "choose" to be attracted to the opposite sex - no matter how repellent (it's like saying that syrup of ipecac is an acquired taste) - to religious kids with struggling with their own SSA and thinking that if they are unable to overcome it, then it's due to their own internal weakness, or lack of faith, or some other internal failing.
The truth of the matter is that nobody should presume to know what happens or doesn't inside another person's head, much less judge them on it. Your faith, or belief system, is unique to you, and is based only on your own experience, as it should be. Attempting to hold someone else accountable to your belief systems is the real immorality being committed on these pages.
The reason why "gay" people find your story threatening is the number of people who mistakenly assume that if it's possible for YOU to overcome your same-sex attraction (SSA), then it's possible for EVERYBODY to do the same thing.
From religious zealots who lecture gay people on how they can simply "choose" to be attracted to the opposite sex - no matter how repellent (it's like saying that syrup of ipecac is an acquired taste) - to religious kids with struggling with their own SSA and thinking that if they are unable to overcome it, then it's due to their own internal weakness, or lack of faith, or some other internal failing.
The truth of the matter is that nobody should presume to know what happens or doesn't inside another person's head, much less judge them on it. Your faith, or belief system, is unique to you, and is based only on your own experience, as it should be. Attempting to hold someone else accountable to your belief systems is the real immorality being committed on these pages.
Anonymous | 3:13 p.m. June 11, 2009
Hey Lucky!
I may have fallen for it...can you give me an idea of what the twisted reasoning is? I really do believe that they are citizens of the United States, and as such, deserve any privilege that I enjoy.
Where are they misleading me?
I may have fallen for it...can you give me an idea of what the twisted reasoning is? I really do believe that they are citizens of the United States, and as such, deserve any privilege that I enjoy.
Where are they misleading me?
re Come along way and SLCSKP | 3:22 p.m. June 11, 2009
actually, the reason gays DON'T find your story "threatening" is
because it is mostly hogwash. Just another mormon trying to throw some wood on
the fire.
and gays have the same wants and needs as heterosexuals. They want children. They just don't want to give up on everything else just for that. Which is why there are surrogates, adoptions, inveto, etc. So the "Come along way" poster gave up on his true feelings, went to therapy (obviously because he felt something was wrong with him), and now lives a lie with a woman.
Good for you!! unfortunately, you could have accomplished the same thing, and had a family, without giving up on your feelings.
The goal is to make it so that you don't feel like you have to choose. Why should you have to choose between a family and your orientation? because some religious person told you to? because you were bullied and picked on? Yeah - those are really great reasons...
and as soon as it is more accepted by society, I bet the poster leaves his wife for a man. And that's where you will cause hurt. You should have followed your feelings...
and gays have the same wants and needs as heterosexuals. They want children. They just don't want to give up on everything else just for that. Which is why there are surrogates, adoptions, inveto, etc. So the "Come along way" poster gave up on his true feelings, went to therapy (obviously because he felt something was wrong with him), and now lives a lie with a woman.
Good for you!! unfortunately, you could have accomplished the same thing, and had a family, without giving up on your feelings.
The goal is to make it so that you don't feel like you have to choose. Why should you have to choose between a family and your orientation? because some religious person told you to? because you were bullied and picked on? Yeah - those are really great reasons...
and as soon as it is more accepted by society, I bet the poster leaves his wife for a man. And that's where you will cause hurt. You should have followed your feelings...
SLCSKP | 3:55 p.m. June 11, 2009
RE: 3:22pm
I wish I could agree with you 100%.
I agree with your statement that gays shouldn't have to sacrifice ANYTHING as a result of their own internal feelings. SSA isn't a barrier to love, affection, stable families, or lifelong happiness.
I DISAGREE with you that "recovered" gays like Come along aren't a threat. They shouldn't be, but they ARE a threat because of religious fools like Jack up above, who use Come along's story as justification to judge and control others' lives; while teenagers with SSA use Come along's story as justification to end their own lives. Both situations are tragic, and they're both very real.
And until people stop extrapolating one person's belief system into universal truth, and learn to mind their own business, Come along will continue to be a threat. You can bet that when Come along backslides into his old habits, the Christians won't be calling attention to him anymore.
I wish I could agree with you 100%.
I agree with your statement that gays shouldn't have to sacrifice ANYTHING as a result of their own internal feelings. SSA isn't a barrier to love, affection, stable families, or lifelong happiness.
I DISAGREE with you that "recovered" gays like Come along aren't a threat. They shouldn't be, but they ARE a threat because of religious fools like Jack up above, who use Come along's story as justification to judge and control others' lives; while teenagers with SSA use Come along's story as justification to end their own lives. Both situations are tragic, and they're both very real.
And until people stop extrapolating one person's belief system into universal truth, and learn to mind their own business, Come along will continue to be a threat. You can bet that when Come along backslides into his old habits, the Christians won't be calling attention to him anymore.
Choice? | 4:00 p.m. June 11, 2009
If it's a Choice, then anyone, anywhere, the whole world over who is
Heterosexual could CHOOSE to be gay, right? WRONG--and the reverse is just as
wrong, too.
Behavior is a choice. | 4:16 p.m. June 11, 2009
The title says it all.
Round and round... | 5:32 p.m. June 11, 2009
These threads dealing with gay issues all sound the same after awhile. The
secularists come out to bash God. The relativists come out to tell us how good
they feel and that is the most important thing. The religous folks come with a
mixture of tolerance and not. The irreligous people say things to try and upset
the religous. The quasi medical people come out for wholesale change and on and
on. I think everyone has the right to seek for knowlege and pursue happiness.
There is certainly a cross section of most everything as represented by the
commentary on this tread.
Vince | 12:32 a.m. June 12, 2009
Nope,
I guess not.
Still crickets. No studies about how gays can convert to straight.
I guess not.
Still crickets. No studies about how gays can convert to straight.
Vince | 12:34 a.m. June 12, 2009
Behavior is a choice. | 4:16 p.m. June 11, 2009
so when heterosexuals act on their heterosexuality it is a choice also?
Someone better let them know they're behavior is a choice.
so when heterosexuals act on their heterosexuality it is a choice also?
Someone better let them know they're behavior is a choice.
Re Vince | 7:16 a.m. June 12, 2009
Yes I do choose to be heterosexual since it is the morally correct choice. Your
point is??
Anonymous | 7:43 a.m. June 12, 2009
The idea of "converting" a gay person to strait is ridiculous, and
even a person who claims they used to be gay and is now strait is no proof of
anything. I had a friend who while growing up thought he might be gay. When his
father found out, he freaked out and sent him to a "psychologist" to
stop it. Well, the guy grew up and got married, had 3 kids, and then after his
father died he was finally able to admit to himself that he actually is gay. He
has been much happier since, and a much better father as well. For all those
years he had just been pretending to be strait because of the pressure put on
him by his father. A gay man can pretend to be strait and force himself into a
family, it doesn't change the fact that he's still gay.
re: Vince @ 12:34 | 7:43 a.m. June 12, 2009
"so when heterosexuals act on their heterosexuality it is a choice
also?"
Of course it is! Nobody engages in any legal sexual behavior without choosing to. Although most people feel all kinds of different sexual urges, they can control them.
So when one eligible adult man (no discrimination exists as to who this might be) and one eligible adult woman (no discrimination exists as to who this might be) choose to unite themselves, their union should be protected and honored the way it currently is, above all others, because it is the only union capable of (doesn't mean that it necessarily will) naturally producing offspring. The special treatment of heterosexual marriage (to which everyone already has access) has nothing to do with "love" or "feelings", only the promulgation of our species.
Since no other legal, monogamous sexual union is capable of procreation, no other should be recognized by the government. It should let adults do what they want as far as sexual relationships are concerned, but only recognize heterosexual marriage. It is after all, a choice.
Of course it is! Nobody engages in any legal sexual behavior without choosing to. Although most people feel all kinds of different sexual urges, they can control them.
So when one eligible adult man (no discrimination exists as to who this might be) and one eligible adult woman (no discrimination exists as to who this might be) choose to unite themselves, their union should be protected and honored the way it currently is, above all others, because it is the only union capable of (doesn't mean that it necessarily will) naturally producing offspring. The special treatment of heterosexual marriage (to which everyone already has access) has nothing to do with "love" or "feelings", only the promulgation of our species.
Since no other legal, monogamous sexual union is capable of procreation, no other should be recognized by the government. It should let adults do what they want as far as sexual relationships are concerned, but only recognize heterosexual marriage. It is after all, a choice.
re: Vince | 7:45 a.m. June 12, 2009
I think you've ventured so far in your logic twisting that you're
finally starting to come around.
@ Vince | 9:12 a.m. June 12, 2009
What's this nonsense about converting? So, you're saying that people
who choose to do one thing, and then later decide to do another are converting.
When someone decides to leave their promiscuous life behind and settle down in a monogamous relationship, are they converting? Or are they simply making wiser choices?
Conversely, when someone who is celebate chooses to act on their urges (whether homosexual or heterosexual) are they converting? Or are they simply choosing not to withstand their desires any longer?
Choices my friend. We all make them. We all are accountable for them. Whether you choose to believe it, or not. That again, is your choice.
When someone decides to leave their promiscuous life behind and settle down in a monogamous relationship, are they converting? Or are they simply making wiser choices?
Conversely, when someone who is celebate chooses to act on their urges (whether homosexual or heterosexual) are they converting? Or are they simply choosing not to withstand their desires any longer?
Choices my friend. We all make them. We all are accountable for them. Whether you choose to believe it, or not. That again, is your choice.
to - Re Vince | 7:16 a.m | 9:56 a.m. June 12, 2009
["Yes I do choose to be heterosexual since it is the morally correct
choice"]
no it's not. it's YOUR morally correct choice. Other people's morally correct choice is to be gay.
oh - wait - you meant that your morals are the right morals... I get it now. You're the morals police. Gee - sorry - mistook you for just another crazy religious nut...
no it's not. it's YOUR morally correct choice. Other people's morally correct choice is to be gay.
oh - wait - you meant that your morals are the right morals... I get it now. You're the morals police. Gee - sorry - mistook you for just another crazy religious nut...
TO - re: Vince @ 12:34| 7:43 a.m | 10:02 a.m. June 12, 2009
[""so when heterosexuals act on their heterosexuality it is a choice
also?"
Of course it is! Nobody engages in any legal sexual behavior without choosing to. Although most people feel all kinds of different sexual urges, they can control them."]
wow - is this poster confused or what? how much of gay has to do with "sexual behavior"?? are you so slow that you think "gay" is about sex? what exactly do you not understand that sex is like 30 minutes a week in most people's lives? And the rest of the time is just spending time with the person you want to be with.
what exactly do you not get? Gay isn't just sex. Is your heterosexual relationship just sex? Probably not, especially if you're mormon.
I have no idea why posters like you seem to focus on the sex part and leave the other 167 hours a week out of the discussion. That's your problem. You're hung up on that one half-hour a week.
Get over it.
Of course it is! Nobody engages in any legal sexual behavior without choosing to. Although most people feel all kinds of different sexual urges, they can control them."]
wow - is this poster confused or what? how much of gay has to do with "sexual behavior"?? are you so slow that you think "gay" is about sex? what exactly do you not understand that sex is like 30 minutes a week in most people's lives? And the rest of the time is just spending time with the person you want to be with.
what exactly do you not get? Gay isn't just sex. Is your heterosexual relationship just sex? Probably not, especially if you're mormon.
I have no idea why posters like you seem to focus on the sex part and leave the other 167 hours a week out of the discussion. That's your problem. You're hung up on that one half-hour a week.
Get over it.
Anonymous | 10:08 a.m. June 12, 2009
re: Vince @ 12:34 | 7:43 a.m.
what? because a couple can have children, "their union should be protected and honored the way it currently is, above all others, because it is the only union capable of (doesn't mean that it necessarily will) naturally producing offspring"???
ARE U KIDDING ME? I don't want children. I don't even want to pay taxes for your children to go to school. But you want this couple (I'll assume married since this is about marriage) to have more rights than me simply because they can have children?
I can't believe you actually said that, and yet I think you actually believe it!!! LOL - that's just ridiculous. There's no way I'm letting some couple have more rights than me simply because they can have kids. That's just stupid to even suggest.
what? because a couple can have children, "their union should be protected and honored the way it currently is, above all others, because it is the only union capable of (doesn't mean that it necessarily will) naturally producing offspring"???
ARE U KIDDING ME? I don't want children. I don't even want to pay taxes for your children to go to school. But you want this couple (I'll assume married since this is about marriage) to have more rights than me simply because they can have children?
I can't believe you actually said that, and yet I think you actually believe it!!! LOL - that's just ridiculous. There's no way I'm letting some couple have more rights than me simply because they can have kids. That's just stupid to even suggest.
TO - @ Vince | 9:12 a.m | 10:19 a.m. June 12, 2009
["When someone decides to leave their promiscuous life behind and settle
down in a monogamous relationship, are they converting? Or are they simply
making wiser choices?"]
wow. your problem is obvious. You think you know what's best for everyone.
what makes you think to "settle down in a monogamous relationship" is "making wiser choices"??
you are simply an old-school morals policeman that thinks everyone should abide by your idea of right and wrong, which you probably got out of some old book.
let me ask you - do you find it wrong for people to have sex out of wedlock? do you find it wrong for unmarried couples to have children? assuming you're a guy - do you think sex with two consenting women at the same time is wrong? I am quite confident your answer to all these questions is a resounding YES.
well, the only reason you have a problem with any of them is because you read it in some book or someone told you it was bad. But I bet they never said WHY, did they?
You, sir, are simply a total prude!! good luck with that in the 21st century...
wow. your problem is obvious. You think you know what's best for everyone.
what makes you think to "settle down in a monogamous relationship" is "making wiser choices"??
you are simply an old-school morals policeman that thinks everyone should abide by your idea of right and wrong, which you probably got out of some old book.
let me ask you - do you find it wrong for people to have sex out of wedlock? do you find it wrong for unmarried couples to have children? assuming you're a guy - do you think sex with two consenting women at the same time is wrong? I am quite confident your answer to all these questions is a resounding YES.
well, the only reason you have a problem with any of them is because you read it in some book or someone told you it was bad. But I bet they never said WHY, did they?
You, sir, are simply a total prude!! good luck with that in the 21st century...
RE - @ Vince | 9:12 a.m | 10:25 a.m. June 12, 2009
and please explain why, if the gay person decides to act on their feelings, why
is that wrong? exactly what is the problem with that?
your post makes sense - just not sure what the point is. So people make choices. Do you really think that you are in any position to say what is a right versus wrong choice?
you state that settling down in a monogamous relationship is a wiser choice than being promiscuous. And why is that? because you say so? I think that's foolish. Why be bogged down with wife and kids when you can just have fun instead? but you think you know best?
wow - you really think a lot of yourself, don't you?
your post makes sense - just not sure what the point is. So people make choices. Do you really think that you are in any position to say what is a right versus wrong choice?
you state that settling down in a monogamous relationship is a wiser choice than being promiscuous. And why is that? because you say so? I think that's foolish. Why be bogged down with wife and kids when you can just have fun instead? but you think you know best?
wow - you really think a lot of yourself, don't you?
re: TO - re: Vince @ 12:34| 7:43 | 11:51 a.m. June 12, 2009
This "confused," "slow" poster recognizes that an adult,
intimate relationship isn't just about sex, but only one kind of
monogamous, adult, intimate relationship is capable of procreation.
Our society doesn't care if two (or whatever arbitrary number of) adults are "in love." In terms of intimate relationships, it cares only about promulgating itself, which is ONLY done through procreation (naturally possible only through heterosexual behavior)- which is why it should continue to honor only heterosexual marriage (into which everybody is free to enter) and be agnostic toward all other adult, intimate relationships.
Our society doesn't care if two (or whatever arbitrary number of) adults are "in love." In terms of intimate relationships, it cares only about promulgating itself, which is ONLY done through procreation (naturally possible only through heterosexual behavior)- which is why it should continue to honor only heterosexual marriage (into which everybody is free to enter) and be agnostic toward all other adult, intimate relationships.
True Colors | 12:03 p.m. June 12, 2009
"Why be bogged down with wife and kids when you can just have fun
instead?"
Ahhh.. the true colors are showing now. This statement shows the selfish attitude of the gay activists. It's all about me me me. Satisfying my own perverse desires and then trying to justify them by forcing everyone else to accept. No self control and no sense of responsibility to anyone.
Ahhh.. the true colors are showing now. This statement shows the selfish attitude of the gay activists. It's all about me me me. Satisfying my own perverse desires and then trying to justify them by forcing everyone else to accept. No self control and no sense of responsibility to anyone.
re - True Colors | 12:03 p.m | 12:54 p.m. June 12, 2009
["Ahhh.. the true colors are showing now. This statement shows the selfish
attitude of the gay activists."]
now that's funny. I wrote that post, and I am by no means gay. My point was that you all have your minds set on a specific societal structure, and you get your morals out of an old book.
and it's not about me, me, me. It's about living life. You think when 2 people hook up at a nightclub and go home for some passion that it's just one of them enjoying themselves? It takes two to tango. But no - you think if you are not married, then it is a sin. That's ridiculous!!
and eventually people settle down and have kids. Does that make it a "wiser choice"? Not at all. It's just a change.
tell me, religious zealot-boy: how is that "perverse"? How does that lack self-control? Because you think it shouldn't be done?
That's the problem with you people. You think your morals are right! and you try to push them on others. just because you read it in a book!!
ridiculous.
now that's funny. I wrote that post, and I am by no means gay. My point was that you all have your minds set on a specific societal structure, and you get your morals out of an old book.
and it's not about me, me, me. It's about living life. You think when 2 people hook up at a nightclub and go home for some passion that it's just one of them enjoying themselves? It takes two to tango. But no - you think if you are not married, then it is a sin. That's ridiculous!!
and eventually people settle down and have kids. Does that make it a "wiser choice"? Not at all. It's just a change.
tell me, religious zealot-boy: how is that "perverse"? How does that lack self-control? Because you think it shouldn't be done?
That's the problem with you people. You think your morals are right! and you try to push them on others. just because you read it in a book!!
ridiculous.
Anonymous | 1:12 p.m. June 12, 2009
"Our society doesn't care if two (or whatever arbitrary number of)
adults are "in love." In terms of intimate relationships, it cares
only about promulgating itself, which is ONLY done through procreation
(naturally possible only through heterosexual behavior)- which is why it should
continue to honor only heterosexual marriage (into which everybody is free to
enter) and be agnostic toward all other adult, intimate relationships."
Are you forgetting that quite a few children are being raised by gays? They are the ones taking care of the ones that have been sluffed off by drug addicts, abusers and selfish heterosexuals. It does not take marriage to create a baby. More children are being born out of marriage than ever before.
Why are you fighting against gay marriage when you really should have your battle against those heterosexuals that are causing society's problems, ie, divorce, abandments, un-wed mothers, etc.
Homosexuals are at the most 5% of the population. The percentage of gays that have married in Canada is about 17%. Maybe 10% of gays will have children.
Where are the big problems that you see with gay marriage? It's actually Heterosexuals causing the problems.
Are you forgetting that quite a few children are being raised by gays? They are the ones taking care of the ones that have been sluffed off by drug addicts, abusers and selfish heterosexuals. It does not take marriage to create a baby. More children are being born out of marriage than ever before.
Why are you fighting against gay marriage when you really should have your battle against those heterosexuals that are causing society's problems, ie, divorce, abandments, un-wed mothers, etc.
Homosexuals are at the most 5% of the population. The percentage of gays that have married in Canada is about 17%. Maybe 10% of gays will have children.
Where are the big problems that you see with gay marriage? It's actually Heterosexuals causing the problems.
For the 12:03 Poster | 1:13 p.m. June 12, 2009
re - True Colors | 12:03 p.m | 12:54 p.m. June 12, 2009 - ["Ahhh.. the true
colors are showing now. This statement shows the selfish attitude of the gay
activists."] now that's funny. I wrote that post, and I am by no means
gay. My point was that you all have your minds set on a specific societal
structure, and you get your morals out of an old book. and it's not about
me, me, me. It's about living life. You think when 2 people hook up at a
nightclub and go home for some passion that it's just one of them enjoying
themselves? It takes two to tango. But no - you think if you are not married,
then it is a sin. That's ridiculous!!
and eventually people settle down and have kids. Does that make it a "wiser choice"? Not at all. It's just a change. tell me, religious zealot-boy: how is that "perverse"? How does that lack self-control? Because you think it shouldn't be done?"
It lacks self-control because it DOES.
Who says?
God.
Unless changes are made, you're meeting with Him will not be pleasant....
and eventually people settle down and have kids. Does that make it a "wiser choice"? Not at all. It's just a change. tell me, religious zealot-boy: how is that "perverse"? How does that lack self-control? Because you think it shouldn't be done?"
It lacks self-control because it DOES.
Who says?
God.
Unless changes are made, you're meeting with Him will not be pleasant....
Anonymous | 1:30 p.m. June 12, 2009
"Who says?
God.
Unless changes are made, you're meeting with Him will not be pleasant...."
And that is not for you to speculate on. God will be his judge, not you. Their meeting will be between themsleves and they will work out what is just - NOT YOU, GET IT.
God.
Unless changes are made, you're meeting with Him will not be pleasant...."
And that is not for you to speculate on. God will be his judge, not you. Their meeting will be between themsleves and they will work out what is just - NOT YOU, GET IT.
Just As I Am... | 2:05 p.m. June 12, 2009
To:Re Vince | 7:16 a.m. June 12, 2009
"Yes I do choose to be heterosexual since it is the morally correct choice. Your point is??"
My point is, I was born this way, so how can it be a choice??? And, by the way, I don't recall you being called as my personal judge and jury. Life on this earth would be so much better if people would just live and let live, and stop worrying about what their neighbors are getting up to, behind their bedroom doors !
"Yes I do choose to be heterosexual since it is the morally correct choice. Your point is??"
My point is, I was born this way, so how can it be a choice??? And, by the way, I don't recall you being called as my personal judge and jury. Life on this earth would be so much better if people would just live and let live, and stop worrying about what their neighbors are getting up to, behind their bedroom doors !
1:13pm poster | 3:15 p.m. June 12, 2009
TO - For the 12:03 Poster | 1:13 p.m
It lacks self-control because it DOES.
Who says?
God.
Unless changes are made, you're meeting with Him will not be pleasant....
------------------------------------------------
please explain when you spoke to God face to face and He told you this. Please tell us when you had this enlightening conversation. How was it you came to sit directly with God and posed such a question, and what did He say exactly?
don't quote some old book of disputable origin. you made it sound like you KNEW for sure that was the outcome, which means you must have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE.
pls expand on this. we are all curious how you got to be God's spokesman, and how He happened to tell you these things. Was it over coffee? at the beach? where did you meet Him?
we are all wanting to know the specifics of your encounter....
It lacks self-control because it DOES.
Who says?
God.
Unless changes are made, you're meeting with Him will not be pleasant....
------------------------------------------------
please explain when you spoke to God face to face and He told you this. Please tell us when you had this enlightening conversation. How was it you came to sit directly with God and posed such a question, and what did He say exactly?
don't quote some old book of disputable origin. you made it sound like you KNEW for sure that was the outcome, which means you must have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE.
pls expand on this. we are all curious how you got to be God's spokesman, and how He happened to tell you these things. Was it over coffee? at the beach? where did you meet Him?
we are all wanting to know the specifics of your encounter....
Anonymous | 3:44 p.m. June 12, 2009
"Yes I do choose to be heterosexual since it is the morally correct
choice."
To have a choice means that you have other options. Do you mean to tell me that you have been attracted to someone of the same sex?
If you haven't, you really didn't make a choice, did you?
To have a choice means that you have other options. Do you mean to tell me that you have been attracted to someone of the same sex?
If you haven't, you really didn't make a choice, did you?
to the 1:13pm poster | 4:53 p.m. June 12, 2009
thank you, mr religious zealot.
you are exactly what is wrong with the world today.
you are exactly what is wrong with the world today.
Todd | 5:04 p.m. June 12, 2009
To Anonymous | 3:44 p.m.
Yours is the most important argument posted on here.
If you have never been attracted to someone of the same sex, then it is impossible for you to claim that SSA is a "choice".
If a person HAS been (sexually) attracted to someone of the same sex, but made the "choice" in favor of opposite sex relations, you have to wonder: where did the attraction come from in the first place?
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["Yes I do choose to be heterosexual since it is the morally correct choice."
To have a choice means that you have other options. Do you mean to tell me that you have been attracted to someone of the same sex?
If you haven't, you really didn't make a choice, did you?]
Yours is the most important argument posted on here.
If you have never been attracted to someone of the same sex, then it is impossible for you to claim that SSA is a "choice".
If a person HAS been (sexually) attracted to someone of the same sex, but made the "choice" in favor of opposite sex relations, you have to wonder: where did the attraction come from in the first place?
-----
["Yes I do choose to be heterosexual since it is the morally correct choice."
To have a choice means that you have other options. Do you mean to tell me that you have been attracted to someone of the same sex?
If you haven't, you really didn't make a choice, did you?]
Vince | 10:12 p.m. June 12, 2009
Being Gay is not a choice
To some of you who fail to grasp the meaning of what it means to be gay.
Some of you have gay sons and daughters, gay neighbors, gay friends, etc.
Many of them are good, honest people, you know them because they know they are your friends and relatives.
Some of them have never lied to you about important issues.
Why do you think they would lie to you about this one issue, particularly about one that affects the way they identify themselves?
There is nothing for gay people to gain from saying "I am gay" to their friends and family except a sense of self-realization once they finally come out of the closet and affirm who they are.
Quite the contrary, many of them have much to lose.
Why would they risk saying that they are gay and inevitably face a life that is altogether different from what the "normal" is?
You seriously think that they would think, "well, I know it is a choice. I woke up one morning, and I decided to be gay" and that they would risk alienating friends and family?
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Summary: God will not not tempt any gay individual above which they are able to handle. They eventually have to choose to act on the temptation of same gender attraction."]
why are you quoting from a book that most people on earth don't believe is real? why are you discussing your god when many people think there is no such thing?
stop using your religious beliefs to opress a minority.