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Ophelia | 5:49 p.m. June 8, 2009
The Bible decries many abominations. Those who continue to quote the Bible,
don't seem terribly interested in the hundred other abominations --
including eating a perfectly good ham sandwich! It's interesting how many
"religious" individuals pick and choose which verses to quote. I also
believe the Bible -- as far as it is translated correctly. God wants all of his
children to be happy -- not just straight children, white children, or even just
Christian children. My God, and your God too, is a God of Love -- not a God of
Hate. As I have loved you, love one another. (And there's no disclaimer
anywhere as to who is worthy and who is unworthy of that love. If you have
found one, you're picking and choosing.)
Ernest T. Bass | 5:50 p.m. June 8, 2009
I oppose any efforts to promote traditional marriage.
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@@D Clark | 5:52 p.m. June 8, 2009
Its really pretty simple. Mormons believe in their modern day leaders, you
already know that. They have taken the stand many times that marriage is between
a man and a woman. You already know that too. Why are you asking queastions that
you all already know the answer to. Are you somewhat conflicted inside?
Vince | 5:56 p.m. June 8, 2009
Not for special rights
To those of you who seem to think this is about special rights.
There are no special rights that gays are given, in fact, rights typically given to heterosexuals are denied to gays. When gays ask for them, some chide them as if to ask "no, that's not for you to have. It's only allowed for people to want to be --- (oh, I don't know) --- heteronormative?"
Examples:
1. Heterosexual people are not asked in the military about their orientation/identity. There is no such thing as "don't ask, don't tell" for heterosexuals.
2. Heterosexual atheist/agnostic people who are married civilly are never told that marriage is a sacred religious institution. Or for that matter, heterosexual people who choose not to have a religious ceremony.
3. The vast number of violent hate crimes based on sexual orientatin/identity are directed towards gays. Out of 1,454 hate crimes reported last year through the FBI, 19 were directed at heterosexuals. The rest were against LGBT.
4. If LGBT people are denied marriage, what are the alternatives?
a. therapy - doesn't work
b. celibacy --- and make gays modern-gay eunuchs?
To those of you who seem to think this is about special rights.
There are no special rights that gays are given, in fact, rights typically given to heterosexuals are denied to gays. When gays ask for them, some chide them as if to ask "no, that's not for you to have. It's only allowed for people to want to be --- (oh, I don't know) --- heteronormative?"
Examples:
1. Heterosexual people are not asked in the military about their orientation/identity. There is no such thing as "don't ask, don't tell" for heterosexuals.
2. Heterosexual atheist/agnostic people who are married civilly are never told that marriage is a sacred religious institution. Or for that matter, heterosexual people who choose not to have a religious ceremony.
3. The vast number of violent hate crimes based on sexual orientatin/identity are directed towards gays. Out of 1,454 hate crimes reported last year through the FBI, 19 were directed at heterosexuals. The rest were against LGBT.
4. If LGBT people are denied marriage, what are the alternatives?
a. therapy - doesn't work
b. celibacy --- and make gays modern-gay eunuchs?
Rebuttal | 6:04 p.m. June 8, 2009
To 5:52 p.m. June 8, 2009
"Its really pretty simple. Mormons believe in their modern day leaders, you already know that. They have taken the stand many times that marriage is between a man and a woman. You already know that too. Why are you asking queastions that you all already know the answer to. Are you somewhat conflicted inside?"
No conflict inside ME. There IS conflict and contradiction in your dogmatic claims. "Mormons believe in their modern day leaders" - does this mean you believe in the infallibility of those leaders? Can they be wrong? According to THEIR OWN WORDS, they CAN!
So if you "believe in your modern day leaders", believe them when they say they are NOT infallible, and are common men with common testimonies doing the best they can and (hopefully) relying on inspiration from heaven. But there are no guarantees. If you believe there ARE guarantees in this regard, then YOU are the apostate who preaches for doctrine ideas that are NOT doctrine!
"Its really pretty simple. Mormons believe in their modern day leaders, you already know that. They have taken the stand many times that marriage is between a man and a woman. You already know that too. Why are you asking queastions that you all already know the answer to. Are you somewhat conflicted inside?"
No conflict inside ME. There IS conflict and contradiction in your dogmatic claims. "Mormons believe in their modern day leaders" - does this mean you believe in the infallibility of those leaders? Can they be wrong? According to THEIR OWN WORDS, they CAN!
So if you "believe in your modern day leaders", believe them when they say they are NOT infallible, and are common men with common testimonies doing the best they can and (hopefully) relying on inspiration from heaven. But there are no guarantees. If you believe there ARE guarantees in this regard, then YOU are the apostate who preaches for doctrine ideas that are NOT doctrine!
@Kevin | 6:22 p.m. June 8, 2009
I'm with you. Why do gays even want to live in Utah. There are so many
other places that are less concerned about the gay life style. I seek peace and
tranquility. I am on my way.
LGBT movement will prevail | 6:28 p.m. June 8, 2009
The LGBT movement is inspired by the bashing that is taking place by the
anti-gay, right-wing extremists.
We use your accusations as fodder in our rallies!
We use your accusations as fodder in our rallies!
Anonymous | 6:29 p.m. June 8, 2009
To CougarKeith,
"You Cannot be actively and Openly Gay and hold a Temple Recommend, it just doesn't happen with your Bishop's full knowledge and your Stake President's full knowledge. It's impossible!"
Many aspects of my private and personal life are NONE OF THE BISHOP'S AND STAKE PRESIDENT'S BUSINESS!
I can and I have been active in the Church and gay at the same time for over ten years! I keep private things private. That is as it should be.
"You Cannot be actively and Openly Gay and hold a Temple Recommend, it just doesn't happen with your Bishop's full knowledge and your Stake President's full knowledge. It's impossible!"
Many aspects of my private and personal life are NONE OF THE BISHOP'S AND STAKE PRESIDENT'S BUSINESS!
I can and I have been active in the Church and gay at the same time for over ten years! I keep private things private. That is as it should be.
sydnielouwho | 6:39 p.m. June 8, 2009
People have been asking "Why do gays even want to live in Utah."
Martin Luther king Jr. Once said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Even if they didn't live in Utah the injustice would still effect them...
Martin Luther king Jr. Once said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Even if they didn't live in Utah the injustice would still effect them...
Vince | 6:47 p.m. June 8, 2009
Why is it? | 5:46 p.m. June 8, 2009
You wrote,
1. "Why do gays insist in cultivating an inferior culture. One ridden with disease,"
Have you seen the statistics about the higher rate of sexually-transmitted diseases in Utah.
2. "socially outcast, deviant from the norms"
Only if you cast them out. Gays do not cast themselves out.
3. "it can't reproduce itself."
Many gay men and lesbians do in fact reproduce when they go through the "let's try marriage with a hetero partner/spouse to see if this will cure this"
Even if gays did not reproduce, there would still be gays, because new gay generations are born all the time to heterosexuals.
Gays have been around for millenia.
4. "deviant culture"
Deviancy, no. Different yes.
The real deviancy is when people fall under the impression that gays can be "fixed" as if by magic.
Gays are not confused heterosexuals. For the most part, gays are confused when they think they are heterosexual.
Anonymous | 6:50 p.m. June 8, 2009
Religion poisons everything.
And I mean EVERYTHING!
And I mean EVERYTHING!
Vince | 7:06 p.m. June 8, 2009
Biology of the gay mind
While true, the "gay gene" question may remain open for some time, other studies seem to suggest that there may, in fact, be indeed other scientific findings that show that gays are, after all, not confused heterosexuals.
Point in fact,
"Brains of gay men show similarities to those of heterosexual women"
"The brains of gay men resemble those of straight women, according to research being published Tuesday that provides more evidence of the role of biology in sexual orientation.
Using brain scanning equipment, researchers said they discovered similarities in the brain circuits that deal with language, perhaps explaining why homosexual men tend to outperform straight men on verbal skills tests -- as do heterosexual women.
The area of the brain that processes emotions also looked very much the same in gay men and straight women"
Source: Denise Gellene,
Los Angeles Times June 17, 2008
Is this a case to show that being gay is hard-wired?
How do you change the way your brain is wired?
While true, the "gay gene" question may remain open for some time, other studies seem to suggest that there may, in fact, be indeed other scientific findings that show that gays are, after all, not confused heterosexuals.
Point in fact,
"Brains of gay men show similarities to those of heterosexual women"
"The brains of gay men resemble those of straight women, according to research being published Tuesday that provides more evidence of the role of biology in sexual orientation.
Using brain scanning equipment, researchers said they discovered similarities in the brain circuits that deal with language, perhaps explaining why homosexual men tend to outperform straight men on verbal skills tests -- as do heterosexual women.
The area of the brain that processes emotions also looked very much the same in gay men and straight women"
Source: Denise Gellene,
Los Angeles Times June 17, 2008
Is this a case to show that being gay is hard-wired?
How do you change the way your brain is wired?
On God | 7:15 p.m. June 8, 2009
I have seen no correlation between behavior and God's wrath. Lousy events
occur to good people and wonderful events happen to bad people. Major natural
catastrophe's happen among the moral just as a lack of catastrophe seem to
occur among the "immoral."
On Celibacy for gays | 7:18 p.m. June 8, 2009
How did celibacy work for catholic priests? Enough said.
To Vince | 7:21 p.m. June 8, 2009
You have been reading the sanitized version regarding the end of polygamy within
the church. No, it didn't end with the "to whom it may concern"
revelation in the U.S.
What about the children | 7:26 p.m. June 8, 2009
Amazing that some have stated that they are opposed to gay marriage because they
are concerned about the children. These are probably the same people that jump
from marriage to marriage, popping out children, intermingling the families and
causing chaos for the children. But, it is all good for them because they have
a mom and a dad or a mom and 3 or 4 dads. Heteros have made a mockery of
marriage with divorce rates in excess of 50%, while the gays and lesbians in
Mass have a divorce rate that is less than 9%. If you heteros believed one word
that you utter about religion and God, you'd be looking to the Gay and
Lesbian community to show you how to conduct a loving relationship.
Vince | 7:26 p.m. June 8, 2009
If you are for sustaining Church doctrine, that is great, wonderful. That is great and cherished.
On the issue of same-sex marriage, however, what is the solution?
These are the findings for different agencies who purport to cure gays.
1. Exodus
In a study conducted by Regent United they stated,
"We found little evidence that involvement in the Exodus change process was harmful to
participants in this study.
Taken together, these findings would appear to contradict the commonly expressed view
of the mental health establishment that change of sexual orientation is impossible and that the
attempt to change is highly likely to produce harm for those who make such an attempt."
Source:
A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual Orientation
Paper for the American Association of Christian Counselors, Nashville, Tennessee; 9/07
Stanton L. Jones (Wheaton College) and Mark A. Yarhouse (Regent University)
To counter the trend of continuing failure rates in its movement, groups such as Exodus continually re-align their philosophy with such campaigns as "An Older, Wiser Ex-Gay Movement"
Source: Christianity Today, Oct 2007
One is left to ask, you mean they didn't right the first time?
Vince | 7:43 p.m. June 8, 2009
On Celibacy for gays | 7:18 p.m. June 8, 2009
True, at that. The original reason why celibacy was instituted among Catholic clergy was not to keep men separate, pure, chaste, etc. from "women" and in the case of nuns pure "from men."
Celibacy for Catholic priest was begun later to keep priests from giving their (Church) property to their spouses and children.
History dotcom reads,
"Having no doctrinal bearing in the Roman Catholic church, celibacy is regarded as a purely disciplinary law. A dispensation from the obligation of celibacy has occasionally been granted to ecclesiastics under exceptional circumstances, for instance, to provide an heir for a noble family in danger of extinction."
"Celibacy"
If we were to believe that Catholics priest have always been celibate, why then, did Peter, (according to Catholic Church, have a mother-in-law?)
(Matthew 8:14)
Vince | 7:58 p.m. June 8, 2009
What about the children | 7:26 p.m. June 8, 2009
True, divorce rates are lower in the states where same sex marriage is allowed or where it is close to being passed.
States where divorce is less common:
State Rate of divorce per 1000/year
Massachusetts 2.4
Connecticut 2.8
New Jersey 3.0
Rhode Island 3.2
New York 3.3
Pennsylvania 3.3
On the other hand, California fares #17 and Utah falls in #21.
In Canada, a study shows that divorces have leveled off since the 1970s. One reason why the number of divorces has not not fallen further down is because some partners marry, divorce, remarry, and divorce again, driving the divorce rate higher than couples who only divorce once.
Further, another study finds that while the American divorce rate is about 50% in the United States, in Canada it is 44%.
Vince | 8:08 p.m. June 8, 2009
Not an attack on traditional families
People will usually read too much into what the LGBT are trying to say and will read something that is not there.
What we are saying is "equal rights for us too."
I don't recall ever seeing that traditional families were bad.
Traditional families are fine and great. If you want to define your family as a mother, a father who never get divorced, and who have children, great, wonderful.
If gays want to be married and call their families families - with a mom and a mom, or a dad and a dad, and children.
That is great also.
How is the realization that having a gay family in any way alter the fact that the other family is less of a family?
They are both families.
However, if people keep the notion that their traditional family is under attack it is only because you want to make believe.
Both to be celebrated, cherished.
For that matter, I believe that single parents in any church, including the LDS Church, would be withheld from using the term family. We are together.
Further, families without children, great too.
People will usually read too much into what the LGBT are trying to say and will read something that is not there.
What we are saying is "equal rights for us too."
I don't recall ever seeing that traditional families were bad.
Traditional families are fine and great. If you want to define your family as a mother, a father who never get divorced, and who have children, great, wonderful.
If gays want to be married and call their families families - with a mom and a mom, or a dad and a dad, and children.
That is great also.
How is the realization that having a gay family in any way alter the fact that the other family is less of a family?
They are both families.
However, if people keep the notion that their traditional family is under attack it is only because you want to make believe.
Both to be celebrated, cherished.
For that matter, I believe that single parents in any church, including the LDS Church, would be withheld from using the term family. We are together.
Further, families without children, great too.
sutton | 8:33 p.m. June 8, 2009
They have "ample opportunity"??? Really??? When, where... I would
love to learn more about this...
Secondly, if they have, in fact, had "ample opportunities to take their case to the supreme court... how do you know that they were "reluctant to do so"???
Your entire post reeks of an opinion wrapped up and served as a fact... Whered you get your info???
As for "do we feel lucky"
There have many state supreme courts, including California who have said that banning gay marriage is unconstitutional... this is why some states have to "amend", or change the constitution. Because if your hate isn't in the constitution, then change the constitution. Anyways... yes, I would feel very luck but would you???
Secondly, if they have, in fact, had "ample opportunities to take their case to the supreme court... how do you know that they were "reluctant to do so"???
Your entire post reeks of an opinion wrapped up and served as a fact... Whered you get your info???
As for "do we feel lucky"
There have many state supreme courts, including California who have said that banning gay marriage is unconstitutional... this is why some states have to "amend", or change the constitution. Because if your hate isn't in the constitution, then change the constitution. Anyways... yes, I would feel very luck but would you???
Me | 9:00 p.m. June 8, 2009
Here is what it's all about:
Money(Greed)
Power(Control)
Passions(Appetites)
That's how Satan gets you. Simple.
Once you figure that out, You have Freedom and Choice. Now go and "Choose The Right."
Money(Greed)
Power(Control)
Passions(Appetites)
That's how Satan gets you. Simple.
Once you figure that out, You have Freedom and Choice. Now go and "Choose The Right."
Finding a middle ground... | 9:22 p.m. June 8, 2009
I think we all agree that marriage should be defined and restricted on some
level. The difference lies HOW it should be defined in terms of gender, age,
the number of partners, and how the partners are related. The question then is,
who decides how marriage is defined? Personally, I think it should be left up
to the States.
up to the states | 9:50 p.m. June 8, 2009
Leaving it up to the states, is that really fair??? How would you feel if your
(lets say LDS) marriage is valid in Utah but not Missouri???
Big Fella | 9:56 p.m. June 8, 2009
Hatred is a lifestyle choice.
Jason | 10:11 p.m. June 8, 2009
"I have a daughter who professes to being gay. She does not believe people
are born gay but rather that it is a choice."
While I don't think it's simply a matter of genetics, I can assure you that your daughter is wrong (at least in the vast majority of cases.)
While I don't think it's simply a matter of genetics, I can assure you that your daughter is wrong (at least in the vast majority of cases.)
Jason | 10:13 p.m. June 8, 2009
"The gay rights movement apparently does not care about trying to
understand the viewpoint of people that oppose them. They prefer rhetoric to
real discussion of issues. They want to stigmatize anyone opposed to gay
marriage as a hater, not address our concerns."
It's funny, because I see it the other way around - the gay marriage opponents have been completely unable to provide solid, logical arguments for their position, instead of resorting to mindless rhetoric.
It's funny, because I see it the other way around - the gay marriage opponents have been completely unable to provide solid, logical arguments for their position, instead of resorting to mindless rhetoric.
who cares | 10:39 p.m. June 8, 2009
there have got to be other more intersting topics to discuss.
re: Jason @ 10:13 | 7:04 a.m. June 9, 2009
Here's a logical argument against homosexual marriage:
Society needs children more than anything else to survive.
People who practice only homosexuality cannot produce children.
Society should therefore only encourage sexual behavior/relationships that will produce children.
If 2 people of the same gender want to live together and have a sexual relationship, fine. But they should receive no benefits for doing so, because that would encourage more people to engage in the same behavior.
Man + Man = guaranteed nothing
Man + Woman = children in more cases than not
Society needs children more than anything else to survive.
People who practice only homosexuality cannot produce children.
Society should therefore only encourage sexual behavior/relationships that will produce children.
If 2 people of the same gender want to live together and have a sexual relationship, fine. But they should receive no benefits for doing so, because that would encourage more people to engage in the same behavior.
Man + Man = guaranteed nothing
Man + Woman = children in more cases than not
re Why gays stay in Utah | 7:11 a.m. June 9, 2009
Simple: To drive people like you Nuts!
EVIL WAYS | 7:24 a.m. June 9, 2009
The first HOMO I came in contact with molested me as a kid!!!1 I still think
this is all to cover up their main objective " bring more homo's into
the world " they are sicko's.
To Ernest T. Bass | 7:57 a.m. June 9, 2009
I oppose you.
The most important thing... | 7:59 a.m. June 9, 2009
...to God is obedience to his commandments. I cannot find anyplace where sin is
tolerated= tolerance. I find no place where sin is excused in the name of
kindness and love. Who would dare call God a being of hate for not accepting
sinners in their iniquity? Who has ever flaunted their perversions in the face
of God and his followers with suffering the most sorrowful destruction? Good
luck with all that... you of the GLBT.
Plain and Simple | 8:00 a.m. June 9, 2009
It's interesting to read these arguments go round and round in circles.
Bottom line is that acting on gay tendencies is wrong and perverted. No amount
of rationalizing will change that no matter how hard the gay rights activist
try.
I know you | 8:05 a.m. June 9, 2009
I know some gay rights activists. They are the most hateful intolerant and
narrow minded group I have ever know. The general public should be afraid.
re: re: Jason | 8:11 a.m. June 9, 2009
"Here's a logical argument against homosexual marriage:
Society needs children more than anything else to survive.
People who practice only homosexuality cannot produce children.
Society should therefore only encourage sexual behavior/relationships that will produce children.
If 2 people of the same gender want to live together and have a sexual relationship, fine. But they should receive no benefits for doing so, because that would encourage more people to engage in the same behavior.
Man + Man = guaranteed nothing
Man + Woman = children in more cases than not"
I didn't realize we were facing a shortage of people in America. We don't need to encouarge higher population, we have plenty of people. And as has been said before if this is your reasoning, then every heterosexual couple should have to get a fertility test before marriage to assure they can produce children, since we wouldn't want to give marriage benefits to people who can't produce children.
Society needs children more than anything else to survive.
People who practice only homosexuality cannot produce children.
Society should therefore only encourage sexual behavior/relationships that will produce children.
If 2 people of the same gender want to live together and have a sexual relationship, fine. But they should receive no benefits for doing so, because that would encourage more people to engage in the same behavior.
Man + Man = guaranteed nothing
Man + Woman = children in more cases than not"
I didn't realize we were facing a shortage of people in America. We don't need to encouarge higher population, we have plenty of people. And as has been said before if this is your reasoning, then every heterosexual couple should have to get a fertility test before marriage to assure they can produce children, since we wouldn't want to give marriage benefits to people who can't produce children.
Anonymous | 8:17 a.m. June 9, 2009
Given by Him? Who is Him?
Anonymous | 8:19 a.m. June 9, 2009
Pedophilia? Yawn! Such a tired argument.
The GLBT movement | 8:37 a.m. June 9, 2009
The GLBT movement is like so many other movements that start in a dark place and
try to work their way into the light, hoping to be accepted. Once they pop into
the light for everyone to see, they are rejected and sent on their way. This too
shall be the case with the GLBT movement.
Born that Way? | 8:57 a.m. June 9, 2009
A lot of people think they need to pursue a lifestyle because they think they
were born that way. What happens if they are wrong?
rusby | 8:59 a.m. June 9, 2009
It is really sad, watching these marches. They are all wrapped up in the
pursuit of something (acceptance) that doesn't exist. Whether the world
accepts you and bestows rights on you doesn't matter.
Lock me up, torture me, and as long as I am alright with God, I will be happy.
Also, when all this plays out and you get your "rights" and still feel vacant inside, God will always be there to help you overcome your self. He has helped me overcome inclinations far worse than homosexuality and he can help you too.
Lock me up, torture me, and as long as I am alright with God, I will be happy.
Also, when all this plays out and you get your "rights" and still feel vacant inside, God will always be there to help you overcome your self. He has helped me overcome inclinations far worse than homosexuality and he can help you too.
re: re: re: Jason | 9:16 a.m. June 9, 2009
"I didn't realize we were facing a shortage of people in America. We
don't need to encouarge higher population, we have plenty of people. And as
has been said before if this is your reasoning, then every heterosexual couple
should have to get a fertility test before marriage to assure they can produce
children, since we wouldn't want to give marriage benefits to people who
can't produce children."
Who is going to pay for Bush and Obama's insane spending? Future generations. Unfortunately, we have already mortgaged their lives to pay it off. If our population decreases we will default on the debt and America will go bankrupt. America cannot afford any population decrease! That is reason enough to laugh homosexual marriage off the national stage.
Who is going to pay for Bush and Obama's insane spending? Future generations. Unfortunately, we have already mortgaged their lives to pay it off. If our population decreases we will default on the debt and America will go bankrupt. America cannot afford any population decrease! That is reason enough to laugh homosexual marriage off the national stage.
To My Story | 9:29 a.m. June 9, 2009
" I eventually was able to buy a place in the country where I was able to
keep a small flock of sheep. We all loved each other deeply and where very happy
together."
I'm sorry. Your sheep did not love you. They are incapable of returning your affection, unlike a gay relationship. Your sheep were unable to give permission to your advances. You abused them because of their non-consent. Your sheep were victims.
If you cannot see the difference between your story and a gay relationship, you have bigger problems than liking sheep.
I'm sorry. Your sheep did not love you. They are incapable of returning your affection, unlike a gay relationship. Your sheep were unable to give permission to your advances. You abused them because of their non-consent. Your sheep were victims.
If you cannot see the difference between your story and a gay relationship, you have bigger problems than liking sheep.
JanSan | 9:54 a.m. June 9, 2009
I really get tired of hearing from these ex LDS who say that they lived in so
and so and went to church and then went on a Mission etc.. and are happy
gays.
Do they really think that anyone is going to say - Hey, wow, this is great.. maybe we should rethink our stance here ..
You were taught a truth - you turned your back on it
You were given temple covenants - you turned your back on them
You were given the Priesthood - you turned your back on it...and gave it up! for what?
You gave up the right to have ETERNAL families
You turned your back on revelation
You turned your back on scripture
WHY SHOULD I RESPECT YOU !!!
love the sinner - not the sin YES
But respest you for what you have done... NO WAY!!!!
go on and have your fun....
you will pay for that fun eternally!!!!
Do they really think that anyone is going to say - Hey, wow, this is great.. maybe we should rethink our stance here ..
You were taught a truth - you turned your back on it
You were given temple covenants - you turned your back on them
You were given the Priesthood - you turned your back on it...and gave it up! for what?
You gave up the right to have ETERNAL families
You turned your back on revelation
You turned your back on scripture
WHY SHOULD I RESPECT YOU !!!
love the sinner - not the sin YES
But respest you for what you have done... NO WAY!!!!
go on and have your fun....
you will pay for that fun eternally!!!!
Anonymous | 10:23 a.m. June 9, 2009
jansan... what makes you so sure???
re: re: re: re: Jason | 10:35 a.m. June 9, 2009
"Who is going to pay for Bush and Obama's insane spending? Future
generations. Unfortunately, we have already mortgaged their lives to pay it off.
If our population decreases we will default on the debt and America will go
bankrupt. America cannot afford any population decrease! That is reason enough
to laugh homosexual marriage off the national stage."
Ok, then I go back to the other part of my statement, if you really believe that homosexual marriage shouldn't be allowed because it can't produce children, then there needs to be a fertility test for every heterosexual couple who plans to get married. Any heterosexual couple that can't produce children will be denied marriage. Since according to you its so important for people to procreate then you should have no problem with this since infertile heterosexual couples can't procreate either.
Ok, then I go back to the other part of my statement, if you really believe that homosexual marriage shouldn't be allowed because it can't produce children, then there needs to be a fertility test for every heterosexual couple who plans to get married. Any heterosexual couple that can't produce children will be denied marriage. Since according to you its so important for people to procreate then you should have no problem with this since infertile heterosexual couples can't procreate either.
Anonymous | 10:42 a.m. June 9, 2009
JanSan: I FEEL the love!
re Anonymous @ 10:30 | 10:46 a.m. June 9, 2009
I have never been to China - but I know it's there
I have never been to the moon - but I know it's there. I have never seen the Roman empire in all it's might but I know it existed
I have never seen God but the spirit has wispered and I know that he also is real and that his truths and commandments are real and eternal. Can I PROVE it to you - No, but I cannot prove these other things to you either and they are real. When the spirit testifies you know without the confunsion of the world - unless, you let the world in to dominate your life. The spirit has spoken to my heart and I know what I know - AND I know that God knows that I know and I dare not deny it.
JanSan
I have never been to the moon - but I know it's there. I have never seen the Roman empire in all it's might but I know it existed
I have never seen God but the spirit has wispered and I know that he also is real and that his truths and commandments are real and eternal. Can I PROVE it to you - No, but I cannot prove these other things to you either and they are real. When the spirit testifies you know without the confunsion of the world - unless, you let the world in to dominate your life. The spirit has spoken to my heart and I know what I know - AND I know that God knows that I know and I dare not deny it.
JanSan
re To My Story | 11:07 a.m. June 9, 2009
You referred to my relationship as a problem. That is very intolerant and
hateful of you. To me it is a beautiful thing. Hopefully someday you can
overcome your prejudice.
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