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Holladay torn about police proposal
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As for improved quality - well, decreased patrol hours is not a good start. Quality is also influenced by who gets hired - and that is a crapshoot no matter which police force your talking about - there is never a guarantee on what you're going to get. And all government entities have a tough time (due to the nature of government HR policies) of getting rid of incompetence.
Save money by adding another layer of bureaucracy? He is looking for a sucker to help him pay for the growing administrative costs for his city.
Look at what happened to the Jordan School district split; they are wasting tons of money with new buildings for administrators. How do these people get elected???
This is a great place, lets not mess it up.
UPDATE, UPDATE, Well, I was just stopped at a ROADBLOCK on Wasatch Blvd by the Cottonwood Heights Police. I was detained for 5 minutes for no reason and finally let go when I was forced to produce all my documents. My wife and I were shocked and offended. When I asked for the reason I was stopped, I was intimidated by 4 officers including a short rotun man (seem to be incharge) that was not in uniform who 'encouraged' me and my wife to leave, 'now'.
Mayor Dennis Webb and Holladay City Council (Grant Orton), I want NOTHING TO DO with the Cottonwood Heights POLICE. I do not want them in MY CITY.
The 900,000 start-up cost will be paid by Cottonwood Heights taxpayers. Cullimore doesn't think you saps will mind though... just ask him. If the residents don't show up to resist this disaster in the making you deserve everything you will get from Russo and his Raiders.
For those of you that were "caught" in the road-block... get used to it as it has just begun. The trick CHPD uses is to stop cars in the border areas so the likely hood of non-residents being stopped is greater and the calls to the mayor are less.
Hopefully Cullimore's daddy's company will fail soon as he is running it into the ground and he and the village idiot will take leave.
One last note. CHPD's claim of the SO being out of the city is a joke. Ask Midvale how often CHPD is in their city...
CHPD currently writes LESS tickets/month than the SO in Holladay.
CHPD is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more of a presence than the SO ever was. Most people (the law-abiding ones, I guess) like that very much. I beleive CH only hired 2-3 more officers than were paid for under the SO contract, yet they're see so much more - why is that? (Maybe because the officers actually patrol our streets, & we don't pay excessively for services NOT rendered in the city, etc.)
Both options provide safety/security for the citizens, the CH model simply puts daily patrol/enforcement first and relies on mutual aid for major events. The SO claims the only way to survive a major event is to have ALL resources in House 24/7 - that is a major overhead cost (~$1 million/year) they pay for daily but use rarely.
The SO could always contract these specialty services separately to the local CHPD. Or Holladay, too, for that matter. Its not like these services have to dissappear if the SO is replaced by a local PD.
Even though a larger organization can appear to leverage better use of money, it all comes down to how well the SO has responded to local needs.
Also, another crucial point is that a local government can more easily adapt its police to repond to its needs since the local PD would be accountable to the city...while the SO, not necessarily so.
A citizen making a complaint against or suggestion for a local PD would have a better chance of getting change..since a local PD would be influenced by local voting/officers.
CHPD will never go back to the sheriffs office or UPD. Both of you know that because you work for CHPD. The Chief and mayor hates the sheriff.
The only thing I see in CH are cops pulling people over and giving them tickets. Check the CHPD website and look at their ticket stats. As for local control and "local government can more easily adapt its police to repond to its needs since the local PD would be accountable to the city"....the cops should be accountable to the citizens not the the city government. This is why CH is in shabbles right now, the cops answer only to the mayor and his wants.
I was stopped at the 'checkpoint' last night. I was on my way home to Sandy from work. I know DUI's are a serious menace to society but there are better ways then to harrass innocent citizen to catch 1 or 2 of these people. The sign at the start of the checkpoint said 'Road work ahead". Then I was accosted by uniformed officers demanding to see my driver license. This is wrong.
You need to find a better way to stop drunk driving without infringing on the constitutional rights of free citizens. Shame on the Cottonwood Heights Police last night.
Then the officers have boundary problems to enforce laws on those that don't live in the city. Case in point is thefts, a thief living in another city cannot be pursued across city boundary's. Then crimes committed in one city are not crimes in every city so the thief and your goods are gone forever.
Don't know about this UDP and never heard of the proposal but hopefully it allows pursuit and investigation across city boundary's. There should be no boundary's for pursuit, investigations, arrests between cities, counties, or state. Every city should be networked to share information, make arrests, and enforce laws. Even traffic laws should be pursued between cities as all cities are under the same traffic laws and rules.
If you want to have your children unfairly treated and scared of the police by all means make this change.
I like seeing the local cops, roadblocks, fine with me, it shows we have police protection to wouldbe criminals. Holladay can do what they want, but I'm very satisfied with the visable Cottonwood Heights force.
There needs to be a Metro Police Department in the Salt Lake Valley. You can't tell where Salt Lake, South Salt Lake, Murray, Midvale, Sandy begin and end by driving down State Street. West Jordan, South Jordan no longer have any discernable boundries like they used too (ie, open space). Sandy, Cottonwood Heights, Draper all run together.
With over 1 million people in the valley now, it makes sense to combine. Whether or not the Metro Department is run by the Sheriff or a governing body made up of representatives of the various muncipalities, it needs to be done. It ought to be done now before the Legislature steps in and makes it manditory.
Easy to do if we get rid of all the politics. (Mayors and Council).
It's up to the Citizens of Salt Lake County.
I say NO to joining CHPD. Local Control is a Myth with CHPD proposal. The final say will still be in CH control. Where as Holladay residents we have no say on voting for Mayor who can in turn Hire/Fire Police Chief.
At least with the County we can vote Winder out if we don't like him..
If we are going to "metro" all of our services (UPD, UFD, courts, parks, schools, etc) we might just as well go all the way and opt for metro government.
It is also not true that it is worse.
The bottom line is what the people feel they need right now. Do the deputies assigned to the area always stay there? No they dont. If an officer in as area miles away needs assistance, the assigned deputy will leave. Just a fact.
Another good argument would be West Valley. They chose to form their own police dpt. At the time there were two and sometimes three deputies assigned to the area. The argumrent of juvenile, narcotics and regular detectives assigned dosent work. They are in an office far far away and not available for quick response. Where would West Valley be today without their own police?
The Sheriffs office is an excellent law enforcement agency. THey just are not always the best choice. This seems to be one of those times.
Ex cops second comment "The bottom line is what the people feel they need right now." The citizens love their services from the Sheriff's Office. That is the Bottom Line.
First, some people become Officers because they want the preceived "Power" that goes along with it. Thanksfully, these types are short lived. Their own actions weed them out most of the time.
Second, most Officers have a real desire to make a positive impact in their communities. These people want to SERVE and PROTECT. They do their best every day to improve their area.
Finally, some Officers, myself included, move to smaller "start up" or struggling Departments because they believe they can help shape the Department and make it better. The problem is, if they are quality Officers, they are use to working hard and keeping busy. New or struggling Departments don't have the work load these officers are use to so they engage the public. I stopped dozens of people every day but that doesn't mean I cited them.
They say with local contol you can keep your own officers in your own city. Then they say if there is an emergency we can count on other agencies to come help us. Hello! Do not those same other cities expect you to come help them?
Russo and Cullimore spout off about how many more tickets and DUI's they have written since the Sheriff left. Then, when citizens complain, they claim they are not writing that many tickets. Councilman Bruce Jones even put an article saying they dont write many in the Valley Journal. This pair is so two-faced it is ridiculous.
They say the biggest comment they hear is that people see their cars everywhere. Of course, they fail to mention that it's Midvale residents telling them that.
Cottonwood Heights has several fine officers. They just lack competent leadership at every level.
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