Perhaps a more practical definition of pride/humility is the scriptural "cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh" (2 Ne 4:34). It's a matter of who or what we rely on, our Father in Heaven or something else, whether ourselves, an earthly philosophy, or any number of other things. True humility, sometimes called meekness in the scriptures, is learning to trust in the Lord in all that we do or experience.

The cliche that bothers me when I go to church is.

A speaker, speaking presumably to the people in the church will end their talk by saying. "I say these things in the name of thy son Jesus Christ Amen".

None of us have a son named Jesus Christ, so this meaningless, thoughtless statement irratates me.

No, there is no shame in humility in the Church. But there is great PRIDE in FALSE humility! People go out of their way to appear humble and say ingratiating and self-depricating things in order to give the illusion that they are humble because humility is considered a sign of righteousness and in the Church everyone is engaged in this big righteousness marathon to see who can earn the highest honors in the kingdom of god!

thank you for your comments and discussion of difficult topics, I appreciate your efforts it really helps me on my journey trying to learn from this life.

Another opening comment that I dislike is the speaker who says, in substance, I don't want to be here, I should not have been asked to speak, I don't have anything to offer, and so forth. Maybe they think this is a show of humility. Some of these speakers go on to do a good job, but they set up an unnecessary obstacle to receiving their message. Others go on to prove that they should not have been invited to speak.

I guess it must be in the way you prepare for sacrament meeting or your total attitude towards it. These little tidbits is actually nitpicking thus taking away from what the speaker is trying to convey. It has nothing to do with humility or anything else. Many close their talk that way because that is how they were raised to do it.

The other is just a way of breaking the ice. I wonder if the same ones who are in some way condemning have really ever spoken to a group of people. Whether it is your own ward or one you are visiting, it is nerve racking. Sometimes it is true that a person is a little subdued as to the topic at hand. Why, they are unfamiliar with it, they really have a hard time living what the subject is about, or their own testimony may be weak. The talk gives them strength and the ability to maybe even open their own eyes.

Someone once said they could do better or why them, they are new what do they know. Maybe it is time we listen more with our hearts than our minds.

Anonymous 2:46 p.m. June 4, You have no right to put me in to this category, or others you don't know us so how do know we are like the people you mentioned? "No, there is no shame in humility in the Church. But there is great PRIDE in FALSE humility! People go out of their way to appear humble and say ingratiating and self-deprecating things in order to give the illusion that they are humble because humility is considered a sign of righteousness and in the Church everyone is engaged in this big righteousness marathon to see who can earn the highest honors in the kingdom of god!" I agree there are many who are prideful but not all not even the majority is prideful You sound like a person with a ax to grind and don't care who gets hurt so long as you get to grind your ax. That is what I get from your comments so correct me if I am wrong, however, don't put me others like me in that catagory7 Pride has nothing to do with how I feel & thank. Clean up yourself before condemning others.