Here's my problem with this story. I have a hard time believing it happened
like it is reported because of the simple physics of it. So they're saying with
the cops standing right there, he knocks one guy out, then knocks over another
and repeatedly kicks him, and somehow the police don't try to stop this? And
then he still has time to run, then thinks better of it and lets them arrest
him? Something about this story stinks, and considering the source, might it be
media bias? If the courts determine he's guilty, then yes, suspend him
and revoke his scholarship for a year. But I just don't think it happened the
way they say it did.
Research has shown that participation in student activities (junior high thru
college) has a beneficial effect on the person's long term success when compared
to students who do not participate. This includes all student activities
(athletics, debate, drama, music, school paper, student government, clubs,
etc.). Research also shows that of the different kinds of student activities,
participation in sports is the poorest predictor of long-term success. In fact,
studies done by a University of Idaho researcher showed that participants in
school sports (from junior high through college) actually has a detrimental
effect on the participant's social skills. And the more involved the student
is, the greater the damage.We should not be surprised when athletes,
especially football players get involved in these fights, etc. They have been
trained to believe that they are something special and should receive special
treatment and have no responsibility for their antisocial behavior.A
few years ago a college coach was criticized for some of the things his players
had been caught doing and his response was that if they wanted a winning team,
this was the price the college and supporters would have to pay.
Three of your swimmers this year stole a car and tried to use the owners credit
card. BYU has the same problems every other school has. Nothing special about
We've got Yewt fans going back 30 years - 30 YEARS - and bring up Jim McMahon???
And yet if 1984 is ever mentioned BYU gets slammed by our little brother up
North??? Typical "pick & choose" mentality by Yewt fans.I suggest you get your own house in order and stop worrying about what BYU
does. It makes you look foolish.
Knock of the childish comments. You do this in anonymity. Most of you wouldn't
have the courage to say this the persons face.When police see you
knock someone unconscious and then kick him, that is a cowardly act, in an of
itself. Despite what the courts do I would not want that young man representing
my school. He can go somewhere else and get his act straight and then apply for
readmission, under a magnifying glass. Too many athletes think they
are prima donnas. Just think R. J. Soward of Fontana, CA via USC. Got away with
it in high school and thought he could continue in college and in professional
football. Gone after one year. Coaches are either character builders or
enablers. I like Bronco's philosophy. 99% of all college players
never play a down in professional football, so college should be preparing
yourself for life and that is not football. After football you still need to be
a productive member of society.When BYU played UCLA I was there,
with their fans behind us. They were not vulgar, as I have experienced from far
too many Utes. That Said BYU is not perfect.
to the comment about the most drunks in the MWC at the U, that is a joke, have
you ever been to UNLV or SDSU, get over yourself. and i am glad that when the
ute player was out in a bar, the whole byu team was at home together reading
their scriptures and watching re-runs of general conference. they are all such
good role models.
Or we could say two of the last seven "LOL"
Too bad it wasn't Collie or any of the zoobees commenting here. Coach Kyle
just gained another scholarship and does not take this kind of action to be
taken lightly. There also is no place on the Utah roster for that kind of
behavior. Until he incident is investigated fully , Coach of the Year Kyle will
level an appropriate punishment. the incident reminds the Crowton years from
And BYU has won two out of the last three games against Utah. LOL
What would BYU's felony problems be? Jaywalking isn't a felony, even in Provo.
Gee if you actually were 99.9% white that would actually fix your felony
problems. What WERE you thinking?
Actually, BYU's football team isn't 99.9% white. It is about 62% white counting
all the polynesians. About the same as the utes, actually! Typical Ute grad.
can't do math!
Its because our team isn't 99.9% white. Right byU?
As one who knows of the antics of Jim McMahon Glass houses rings a bell. BYU
and his teamates covered upmore of his tracks "mishaps" than anyone wants admit
to. Don't believe me ask those who were there. So get of your high horse
realize that it is what it is and the University and coaching staff will handle
it appropriately. P.S. Several General Authorities are Utah Alum.
OK, this comment was made yesterday but I missed it, so I apologize for coming
late to this thread.To compare the attack on Paul Kruger to this
incident with Mo Neal is not just inaccurate, it is completely INSANE!!! Kruger
and his brother and a couple others got jumped by some gang-bangers after
leaving a Christmas party at a friend's house. His involvement was totally in
self defense, as evidenced by the absence of police charges against him. And if
you Cougie fans have a reaction to Kruger attending parties, you obviously don't
know him very well, even though he grew up in your back yard. What
a horrible knee-jerk reaction from a myopic Cougar fan. Please don't forget
that about half the U student body belong to the same church as you guys, and
that over HALF of Utah's players, including Kruger, are not just LDS but are
returned missionaries. Get a freakin' clue!!!
I recall that BYU lost......
Hey does anyone recall the final score of last years BYU-UTAH game?
Not sure why my 1st comment didn't post.....I just wanna say thanks to the young
Ute who is helping to ensure another DUCKS victory against an over-rated UTAH
team. Don't get me wrong, the UTES are my SECOND fave team behind
OREGON....best of luck this year, other than when you come to Autzen....but if I
was you I'd save your plane fare.......
I appreciate the commitment your players have to making sure that we dominate
you guys in Autzen this year.....too bad, cuz behind Oregon, Utah is my #2 fave
Wow.... to the guy that says that Utah has the most druken fans in the MWC. Have
you attended a game outside of Utah???????????? Get out of the bubble and your
sheltered life there in UTAH county!!!!!!!If you have ever been to a
football game outside of Provo you will know that college football tradition is
to tailgate before the game!!!!!!!! Utah fans participate in this tradition by
partaking of a few alcoholic beverages before the game. Who are you to judge
Utah fans. One more thing......college kids party, and have fun. Funny how all
the bYu fans think that they are national championship bound because the
recruited the top QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seems like a typical bYu fan/player,
arrogant, self righteous, and to top it off the kid has a freaking publicist. We
will see, we will see. Sounds like bulletin board material to me. Last
thing....man the traitor that transferred from USU to bYu (Riley) looks like you
be lucky to be playing on the practice squad buddy!!! HAHAHAHHAAH. One last thing.......GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Oh yah...we
have been to and won two BCS bowl games in the last 4 years.
We live in a sports society where newspaper reporters read the daily police
blotters to pick up info just like this. Ask anyone in the bar business, fights
like this happen all of the time, but it only makes news when it involves an
athlete or celebrity. That doesn't make what he did excuseable. No matter what
precipitated it, based on the police descriptions it sounds like Mo Neal lost
control with rage. This is the kind of situation the Coach warns his players
against in every team and personal meeting with them--don't make bad decisions
and keep yourself out of compromising situations. Unfortunately it looks like
this player made a bad personal decision and ignored those admonitions. And now
he will face the consequences, both legally and with his standing on the team
and the University
I'm not sure why Whit is going to leave it up to the legal process. The U should
be conducting its own investigation into the incident. And, to all the U
commentators/defenders who bring up the BYU honor code, I would point out that
the honor code likely says nothing about assaulting other people. That's
something that wouldn't be included in any honor code.
What is truly sad is that this kid probably thinks he did nothing wrong up to
the moment the police ordered him to stop and the like a coward he ran. I'm LDS,
did not go to BYU although my father-in-law did and one of my brothers did. I am
a Ute and will forever be a Ute, however we Utes do not need nor do we want
thugs and cowards representing our team and University. Let the law take it's
course and then let the young man go. We do not need him or players like him. I
had my run ins with hulking football players trying to intimidate me and others
in the past. I have never backed down and never will but fortunately I was able
to avoid physical confrontation. Good for both myself and the player. Everyone
needs to be held accountable for their actions, right or wrong. My mother's
favorite word was and still is consequences. We all have to face the
consequences of our actions, both good and bad. In this instance perhaps this
young man will learn from the consequences of his actions. I hope so.
"You may win a National Championship ... a real one this time." One
important aspect concerning BCS NC's has apparently escaped your modest
understanding. They, too, are mythical, i.e., "not real". Do you want me to
explain it to you? Ok, I'll type this very slowly so you can follow along. Feel
free to move your lips as needed while you read. You see, the NCAA doesn't
actually hold a playoff to determine a true champion like they do for other
sports. No, seriously. Come on now don't start crying, hang in there. The two
teams that get to play for the so-called NC are chosen by voting in some polls.
Remember how Whittingham was crying to the press last season that his team
should be #1? Yep, I'll bet you're starting to get it now.
As far as Bronco's comments about football not being the #1 priority last year,
I watched a terrific movie this weekend called Forever Strong. One of the 2
coaches in question in these comments reminds me of the coach at Highland high
school, and the other is a bit closer to the Flagstaff coach that would rather
turn a blind eye and put winning at greater importance than anything else. Remember ute fans- with all the top-quality athletes and bigger,
stronger, and faster guys that you have compared to BYU you should be
embarrassed that they beat u as often as they do.
Everybody in the world drinks (except in provo), get over it and try to act
"If any disciplinary actions will be taken"? Whoa there, coach. Step away from
the linebacker. You are sending the WRONG message to the players there. Step up and be the man. Let the player feel the burden of injuring two
people OFF the field and the impact it has on the Ute club. So
Word out of Provo.....HEAPS!Word out of Yewtville.....NEAL!Go Yewts!!
so classy and brave to kick a man senseless while he is laying on the ground.
Then just run away like a little baby. I can see a life of crime and prison in
his future. All this in front of the police. Not the brightest lamp in the room.
What if any discipline. Way to step up Kyle. Heaven forbid you suspend a player
or take a stand. The player will play as scheduled with no school recourse.
Hopefully the legal process will take care of it.
We're all waiting for your intimate knowledge on the Ratliff situation...
About time we have some perspective. Thank you both for being reasonable.
Not so sure that citing BYU in '03 is a winning argument - those players were
run out of town faster than Max Hall gave up turnovers. BYU *did* discpline
them, so pointing fingers at that program doesn't put Utah on any higher moral
ground, and I don't think KW has been as responsive as he should such incidents.
So this is when Utah fans start to defend and justify a terribly stupid decision
by a Utah knuckle head by pointing to terribly stupid decisions made in the past
by BYU knuckle heads. Please spare us at least this one defense strategy!
Please! Please don't try to right this wrong by claiming "harvey was worse!" Is
that the kind of moral relativism you really use to determine what is right or
wrong? "Let the legal process run it's course" is also a plain silly
argument! Have a conversation with the kid. If he did what it appears he did, he
should be gone...whether he's wearing blue or red...GONE!
The guy sounds lame. Many of the utes are not like this.
A linebacker arrested for assault?Excuse me, but that is what
linebackers DO! This is just an occupational hazard.
yeah Marcus Wilson had a history well before Uteville..in high school he got
suspended for a serious injury in assaulting a fellow high school student yet
everyone downplayed and looked the other way. He even went to a religious school
called Juan Diego..i quess character can not be bought but be built so it don't
come easy , you know it don't come easy~!
hahaha... All i hear is remember when the byu guy did this or the byu guy did
that. You guys are sad!
As a die hard BYU fan I think that any other BYU fan that takes pleasure in this
incident needs to get a little class. It's unfortunate when any player (whether
for BYU or Utah) makes such a stupid decision that may cost them their future in
the sport and taints the name of their team. Unfortunately, stupid mistakes are
the reality of both BYU and Utah players at this age and, except in a few
instances inapplicable to BYU or Utah, it has nothing to do with the coaches.
While I have plenty to say about the lack of class from Utah's fans,
particularly when I face the drunken vulgarity that accompanies attending games
at rice eccles stadium, I don't function under any kind of dillusion that BYU
players would never get into this type of trouble. Anyone who does is seeing
life through blue tinted goggles. There are plenty of potential bar fighters on
BYU's team and plenty of Mormon RMs on Utah's team. The potential for this is
probably greater at the U, but it's less forgivable at the Y where they've
agreed to an honor code. Sad story regardless.
I take no joy in watching a young man mess up his life, and this is from a man
that bleeds BYU blue. Having said that, he really could have killed the
individuals that he assaulted, so, justice has to take its course. By the way,
just a question, what is the average gpa and sat score for a Utah freshman?
Unfortunate event. Could happen to anyone. It's no time to cast judgement on a
good program with a good coach.
Re:RememberHarveyThe difference between football players getting in
trouble and regular students is - The regular students don't get their name
plastered all over the news if something happens. Athletes are held to a high
standard phyically. But what they don't realize is the same is true
emotionally.Having said that - really there is no excuse for this
behavior. Bad form to all those who don't do what they are obligated to do for
a university's athletic department. It's simple - you don't behave and do
schoolwork - you don't play or go to school. Coaches weren't hired to be
babysitters they are hired for their knowledge of football. It should be the
University's responsibility to deem punishment for bad behavior. You sign a
contract once you become a student at a University. If you represent a
University and you commit these crimes.. you are no longer a student. Of
course, every circumstance is unique. But the university will have more
resources to deal with this than a coach. Plus the coach's name doesn't get
dragged through the mud with the player's.
Bad things like this happen on both teams. It is a shame that it happened. I
believe Whitingham will manage the situation appropriately. Even though I bleed
blue I beleive Whitingham is as committed to the image of the team and what is
good for the school and individual as is Bronco.
This goes to show why BYU has lost 24 out of 25 games to ranked teams while Utah
has gone to two BCS bowls and cleaned up both times. No wonder Max Hall fumbles
the ball and throws so many interceptions. No wonder BYU just can't seem to win
the Big Game. You need to quit waiting for "Magic to Happen", and get into some
bar fights. Have some spunk Bronco. Take the team out for a night
on the town and see what happens. You don't need to worry about breaking the
Honor Code, think of it as being like "holding". Yes its against the rules but
you're promoting BYU's unique lifestyle to the world so its OK.Think
of how fast your defensive secondary will get as they train by running from the
cops after clobbering a couple of hapless patrons in a bar. Have
the O-Line bust up some saloons the night before The Big Game and see what a
difference it makes in pass protection. You may win a National Championship ...
a real one this time.
Also in the short memory category, all were found not guilty or charges dropped.
Not so with Ratliff.
Could this altercation have been fueled by roid rage? Football players and other
athletes have been known to use that stuff, u know. Just look what's happened to
Kyle Gunther since he's no longer in the program. He's lost about 70 lbs. When
Whitt visited him at 1280 The Zone he was shocked and said he couldn't even use
him as a tight end now.
Give him a break. It's not like he killed, shot, or assaulted anyone really bad.
People get in fights, there are two sides to every story. Sounds like he was
just running from the cops -- who knows what they would have done to him in that
Not that it excuses what Neal did, but certain BYU fans have short memories. A
state grand jury indicts four Cougars in '04 of gang rape, and our guy gets in a
bar fight?Look at just the past few weeks of what players across the
country have been caught doing, it is clear that Utah by and large recruits
players of high character.
Don't we want the consequence to at some point benefit Mr. Neal? I'm a BYU fan,
I have no business commenting on how Coach Whittingham will respond. I trust
that he has the best interests of his players at heart - that is his job. He is
the one that will know what to do. If he doesn't do the right thing if somebody
else's opinion - so what?
I just have to remind myself that the immature BYU fans who write on these blogs
are not indicative of all BYU fansIt is always sad to see a young
person make a mistake that could cost him his future. I hope things work out
for him. It would be wrong to deny him the chance to make things right.I applaud Kyle Whittingham for respecting his team and his player by not
talking to the media. He is a class act.
Things get swept under the rug all the time? Really, like what? As a matter of
fact, these guys' academics and personal lives are subject to more scrutiny than
the rest of the students. You are playing fast and loose with the truth.My point about the prima donna treatment is this: Sure, you may have
heard of Mo Neal. Could the average Utah fan pick him out of a crowd? I
seriously doubt that.If you think a player getting in a bar fight is
a black eye for the U., take a look around the rest of the country at what
players get caught doing. This is nothing. Even at BYU a few years back with
the rape incident.
stuff happens! dont let him play a game or two depending on what thecourts find
him guilty or not guilty
Mr.Unga was selling perscription drugs,and breaking into busineses,after he
sighned with byu.And one cannot forget the running back who punched the women in
the theater for talking during the movie.It happens on all campuses.This
doesent mean its right.This is just another example of athletes thinking they
are above the law.The preveious two mentioned have cleaned up there acts,I hope
Mo can to.
If the guy has a lawyer, he's already been counseled to not talk to anyone about
what happened. If he told Whittingham "the whole truth" then Whittingham could
be subject to being a witness for the prosecution. Last time I checked, football
coaches aren't affodred the same confidentiality privilege as lawyers and
rabbis. Whittingham is wise to wait until the legal system runs its course.
Why is it that Whittingham has to wait for the court process to run its course?
Why not call the player into his office today and ask him to tell the truth, the
whole truth, so he knows how to deal with the situation. Tell the kid to tell
him the truth and then tell him that his penalty will be more severe if he finds
out later that he lied. That will get the players attention and Whittingham will
know what he has to do when the time comes regardless of how the court process
turns out. Then show real integrity if the guy got off the hook on a
technicality but suspended him anyway because he knows the guy is guilty.
Way to go Utes.
I am a byu fan but really the utes do a good job of getting good people and
players. Other cougar fans need to lay off its not like utah has the problems
of say Penn State Iowa or The real U(Miami). Kids make mistakes and as far as i
can tell the utes usually do right by them.
What a pathetic article to have to read. Kid made a big mistake and should be
punished. Too bad, looked like he had some potential to be a player.Suspend him for at least the first couple games depending on what the courts
say. Possibly more.Or you could make him just red shirt like the
TDS does with their DUI recruits.
I just wonder how many crimes get covered up by cops and campus security that
are UTE fans. Neal, way to dishonor all the great players that have
played for the UTES. Ouch black eye!
I'm not just referring to THIS athlete. It starts in high school (sometimes
before) where many of the star players get treated differently. Things get
"swept under the rug" all the time.If these guys were actually held
accountable for their "mishaps" then maybe by the time they were grown men,
they'd act like grown men instead of thugs.And just because he
wasn't a "starter", it doesn't mean he wouldn't have been one this year. He's
obviously got talent or he wouldn't have gotten this far. Now it may be too
late, though.Regardless of the school this is a black eye (again)
for college sports, and doesn't help the overall image.
I think what "let see" was trying to say with Kruger, though rather stupidly,
was that Mo Neal was treating his victim the way Kruger was treated.
Look at what happened to Ratliff (nothing) after his sexual assault was not
revealed until after the season was over.
I don't see any prima donna treatment either. Coach Whittingham will wait out
the justice system for a verdict, then take appropriate action. I
really irks me when Americans can't tell the difference between an indictment
and a conviction. In this "land of the free" where one is "innocent until
proven guilty", it amazes me how many people want action BEFORE THE COURTS!The ONLY people who know the circumstances of the assault, and whether
or not this young man is guilty, are the witnesses. And they will all have
their day in court.Coach Whittingham already booted one 4-star
player off the team for team violations in Marquis Wilson. But only AFTER his
conviction. It was the right thing to do. And we went to the BCS without him.
I understand what you're saying but don't put words in the mouths of the rest of
Utah fans. Neal was expected to contribute greatly this year. If you can't
recognize or know the names of the second string how could you call yourself a
fan? Or did you just start cheering for the U this year?
Mark my words.......This guy is done.
Ummm I think any real Utah fan would know who Mo Neal is. He started several
games last year due to injuries and played in the sugar bowl. That said I also
think most of these comments are idiotic. He was arrested just like anyone, he
is in jail with bail set and he will be dealt with in a fair manner once the
legel process is over. Coach Whit is very good at that and he has kicked others
off the team for behavior not becoming a Ute. And to the idiot making the
comment about Kruger. Go back,read the story, he was actually trying to end the
fight and protect someone not fighting himself when he was stabbed, get off your
high horse and last but not least stop comparing BYU and Utah, you cant and BYU
has had more than it share of issues of this nature. Or did you forget about the
rape incidents oh not so long ago?
Get off your high horse. No one asked your opinion. This article has nothing to
do with your pompous team and program. And to re:justme...if you
haven't heard of Mo Neal, you're not much of a fan. Go cheer for byU where 10%
of the stadium knows what's happening on the the field.
He's a back-up middle linebacker. To say he's treated like a prima donna is
ridiculous. I'd never heard of him till now, and you'd be hard pressed to find
a fan who could recognize him or the rest of the second string. Sly Sylvester,
Koa Misi, guys like that, maybe, and even then I wouldn't say they exactly get
the "star" treatment.
It's unfortunate that athletes are protected from day one so they think they are
invincible. How can anyone behave that way and believe there'd not be serious
consequences? Make them be accountable just like any other citizen
who participates in such thuggery. Maybe if all athletes see that there ARE
consequences for this flagrant display of stupidity behavior will change.This type of thing is UGLY. It can happen at any school as long as the
athletes continue to be treated as prima donnas.
Just slap his hands tenderly, so we can get a bunch more like him!!It's GREAT for our program to stay in the NEWS!!!!
BYU and their football program was literally mocked last season when their head
coach flat-out admitted that football was not his nor the school's number one
priority, instead saying that pursuits such as obtaining an education or service
to your fellow man was more important.Coach Whittingham, while I
believe him to be a good man, has not set the same tone for his players.And what do we get?At Utah, one player last year was stabbed
in the stomach in a fight at a party (that was Krueger, wasn't it?) and now one
of their own beats one guy completely unconscious and then repeatedly kicks
another man while he's down on the ground, largely defenseless in that position.
(I mean, when's the last time you got attacked by a dude lying on the
floor?)BYU, on the other hand, had a player suspended for kicking in
a door (a door!, not a person) after someone threw a water ballon at his
girlfriend.Yeah, those are about equal crimes.I bleed
cougar blue and want to win but I'll take "football isn't number one" and good
behavior any day of the week.
I smell another toothless suspension coming.Maybe he'll have to miss
the first week of practice or something.
Way to represent!
send a message that it is a privilege to be on the team and if you break the
rules , you pay the dues! In this day and age i would hope we had progressed way
pass this stage of behavior...and don't say anything about youth etc to cover up
this one. Football is a game when one steps off the field all the work and
descipline of focus along with control should prevail. I love the utes but not a
one of them are given any more rights or entitlement then anyone else! If you
can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen be a role model as you have
disapointed more than yourself!!
What an idiot
More drunken thugs play for Utah than any other team! More ute students show up
drunk at RES than any other stadium in the MVC. Utah, clean up your act! You are
an embarassment to Ute alum.
If this guy went to BYU, their fans would be justifying it by saying how tough
the honor code is.
If this guy went to BYU the Ute trolls would be all over him.
Just another unfortunate situation for a very successful team