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  • Jazzfan2
    June 22, 2009 5:34 p.m.

    Who ever the Jazz get will be better then what they already havea and i agree they need a tough player

  • Forget It After #10
    June 2, 2009 11:10 a.m.

    If you can't get up above #10 just forget the draft. Trade every draft choice you have this year and next for a few TOUGH players like Nocioni ect.

  • scout please
    June 1, 2009 10:16 p.m.

    get some players that plays more on defense, and someone who hustles more,.get some guards that can shoot when he is wide open, you know what I'm talking about, maybe someone with a good stroke shooting outside shots

  • Adam
    June 1, 2009 7:40 p.m.

    Re: Anonymous
    Your entire post basically assumes that O'Conner should always be able to find the person in the draft who will have the best NBA career. Basically you're assuming he should be a fortune teller. How many teams passed on Rondo?

    I'll give you one that 2004 was a really bad year for the Jazz. The Humphries and Snyder draft picks both look really bad in retrospect. Not only Smith, but the Jazz could have gotten Big-Al and Jameer Nelson that year.

    In O'Conner's defense though, he was brilliant in 2006 and he did a great job in 2005. Drafting Monta Ellis right after D-Wil doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, and most experts, besides Ford, thought David Lee should not have been a first rounder.

    I really think the 06 Jazz draft is really underrated. Picking up Millsap and Brewer at 14 and fortysomething is amazing, especially when you consider the top 5 picks consist of Andrea Bargnani, Ty Thomas, Adam Morrison, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Sheldon Williams. If you take out Aldridge, is there a two man combo you'd trade for Millsap and Brewer? Not me.

  • Anonymous
    June 1, 2009 2:25 p.m.

    RE Negitive Comments

    O'Conner did not trade Williams for Martell Webster and Linal Klisa. He traded Danny Granger, David Lee and Danial Gibson. Yes Portland took Webster, but the Jazz loved Granger, and would have taken him over Webster for sure. Everyone but Portland had Granger ranked over Webster in that draft.

    And Klisa was selected ahead of Lee, but Lee was ranked #14 in Ford's draft list and he was much higher draft prospect.

    Finally that year the Jazz selected Miles instead of Monte Ellis. - Chad Ford Anaylsis "Interesting pick for the Jazz. He does just about everything well but nothing great. That's normally not a good recipe for a high school player coming out. Still he went ahead of several more highly ranked high school prospects like Andray Blatche, Monta Ellis and Louis Williams." Good one O'Conner

    Other Draft Blunders. The Jazz took Humphries instead of Josh Smith - Josh Smith was ranked Much higher than Hunpries on all draft boards.

    The Jazz took Brewer instead of Rondo - both ranked high, but if the Jazz did not select Williams they could have had Rondo.

    Rondo, Ellis, Gibson, Granger, Smith, Lee, Millsap, Koufas,

  • Re: Aaron Johnson
    June 1, 2009 1:25 p.m.

    Sorry to have to point out your contradiction, but if the NBA will only allow the elite market teams to win a championship, then how would getting rid of Sloan help Utah's chances?

  • Chadders
    June 1, 2009 1:01 p.m.

    Trade Boozer for Bosh and all these problems go away. With just that difference we would kill the Lakers, Nuggets, Rockets, Spurs, Magic, Cavs or Celtics. Do it KOC! Do it yesterday!

  • Aaron Johnson
    June 1, 2009 12:20 p.m.

    There are only three teams in the nba they will let win a championship they are lakers, boston exct. What I mean is they need the money so they will only let the one millon plus market in population win the championship thats why this year the lakers will take it in 6 or less. the nba will not allow orlando to win. Don't get me wrong but I wouyld love to see utah win a championship but it won't happen at least not under sloan. Thats why wee need to GIT RID OF SLOAN before the year start again.

  • The Truth
    June 1, 2009 11:33 a.m.

    Why is it when people question Jerry's methods after twenty years of coaching (no rings) that everyone thinks it's a negative thing? Great organizations and companies continually question what they do. If you don't evolve, you die man. I do think the Jazz need a new infusion of fresh air within their organization unless you are fine making money doing status quo? As far as Kevin Oconner goes, he has done much better in the draft over the past couple of years. The problem with Kevin is he doesn't have the ultimate power, Jerry does. Otherwise, Chris Paul would be here and not D-Will. Jerry and the coaching staff are conservative by nature. They think you get better by keeping teams together over time. We will see this summer how that plan works out if Booz or Memo leaves? That puts KO in a difficult position. My prediction for he draft....the Jazz have a couple of older players (jr/sr)in mind that could contribute something, if they are gone, they either stash another player overseas or completely trade or sell their draft pick. Fans won't be happy with the DRAFT PARTy!!

  • Sneaky Jimmy
    June 1, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    Thabeet = Olikawandi

  • Miles
    June 1, 2009 9:44 a.m.

    Why the negative comments cause we are tired of settling every year. Tired of Jerry and losing in the playoffs every year. Tired of the same ol same ol. Time for some new direction for this team. Who cares who we drafted or didn't draft. We have had for the past few years all the pieces to win it all and we have nothing to show for it. Now the team will be broken up and we will be starting over again. Jerry doesn't have what it takes to win it all. Does the Name Marty Schotemheimer ring a bell? Wins lots of games but can't win the big games. Same with Jerry. Looks good on paper but can't coach himself out of a paperbag in the playoffs.

  • JD
    June 1, 2009 6:45 a.m.

    RE: Celebrate!!

    It is true that Borchardt was not what the Jazz hoped he would be. However, there are many players from many different teams of whom that could be said.

    As to passing on Parker, if that is a legitimate criticism, it does not apply only to the Jazz, since he was taken with the 28th pick.

  • risky
    May 31, 2009 7:59 p.m.

    I have never lived in Utah and never seen a Jazz game in person. But the Jazz have been my favorite team, of any sport, for twenty years. I only get to see them on TV. At least, usually, they only pick players that seem to be able to stay out of trouble. I would rather have that than a championship. And yes, I am a big fan of Jerry Sloan.....perhaps it is a generation thing.

    I wonder about all of the negativity in this thread. Were you the same folks that booed when Stockton was drafted?

  • Dapper2k
    May 31, 2009 6:45 p.m.

    Wow, all you haters are depressing.

  • Re: Negative comments
    May 31, 2009 6:24 p.m.

    Man, the original thoughts really are really flowing here.

    Seriously, you all make it sound like everyone hates Jerry Sloan and Kevin O'conner.

    First, for those of you who think Kevin O'Conner just does what Sloan says, you're wrong. Sure, he picks players that are intelligent enough to play in the Jazz system and tough enough to deal with the Sloan criticism, but he thinks independently from Sloan, and he evaluates the talent...

    Second, Sloan puts the guys on the court that he feels will help the team win. If that player is a rookie he'll give them a shot. Paul Millsap, Deron Williams, and AK all got big minutes as rookies.

    Third, I feel like Kevin O'Conner has done a brilliant job in the draft. Lets just look at the last 4 years:
    2005) What he had to deal with: The number 6, and 2 late first rounders. What he turned that into, Deron Williams AKA the franchise. Do all you O'Conner haters realize that he traded Martell Webster, Linas Kleiza and a nobody into a super star? Obviously you forgot that.

  • Re: Sokol
    May 31, 2009 5:14 p.m.

    O'Connor drafted Williams and Milsap, and Brewer, and traded for other key players. I love how everyone is an expert on coaching and personel. I have enjoyed years of the Jazz trying to put hard working/play your heart out players (ie Williams/Harpring) and would rather see the (for the most part) classy palyers they try to bring in than put up with the spoiled, talk back to the coach, cry-baby, criminals that other teams put up with just to win a few more games.

  • Re: 30seconds...GO
    May 31, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    Good luck on that one.You can count on geniuses O'connor and Sloan to get Thabeet in Jazz uniform. And if they do get him, you will have to count on Sloan to play him as a rookie...
    wait a minute, didn't a certain coach in Utah who was said to have benched D-Will in his rookie season in favor of keith McCleod ?
    Since history always repeat itself in Utah...

  • Miles
    May 31, 2009 4:22 p.m.

    This year's draft class is so weak this draft will not do anything for anyone drafting past 5. If the Jazz want some change then do it through trades of free agency. We already have way too much youth to win.

  • 30seconds...GO
    May 31, 2009 12:45 p.m.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. I hope that the jazz do trade up in the draft. What they need to do is package boozer and our #20 pick and next years NY pick or AK (if necessary) to pick up Memphis's #2 pick. I believe if we did that than we could get a defensive beast in Hasheem Thabeet, than we could move Okur to the four spot. Also the jazz desperately need a back-up point guard-though I would like to see Price more before filling that void. Miller needs to make Jerry play Koufos and price more.
    If we could get Thabeet in the draft, I think that would change our team drastically. Look at the nba and it's progression. It's alwasy been a big mans league. Russel and Wilt early on, than Hakeem And Shaq and Robinson and Duncan. Now it's Howard. We need Thabeet to answer back...it could change everything.

  • Celebrate!!
    May 31, 2009 10:15 a.m.

    The Jazz will duplicate previous brilliant picks like trading for Curtis Borchardt, passing on Tony Parker, etc.

  • Sokol
    May 31, 2009 10:06 a.m.

    There are three problems that seem to be obstacles for improvement...Has anyone really looked at the atrocious job that Kevin O'Connor has done with draft picks since arriving in Utah. He has to take alot of the blame for this team.
    Let's face it the Jazz are a soft heartless team with a marginally good coach.
    Sloan is always getting outcoached. He does not motivate his players, will not defend the three, has poor defensive schemes and substitutes too mechanically. His timeouts are not effective.

  • Re:Miles
    May 31, 2009 6:32 a.m.

    Brilliant comments, Miles. That is the point that summerizes the state of the Utah Jazz. Jerry is a conditioned loser in playoffs and in important games, and that's what his name stands for:
    S(tubborn)L(oser)O(ld fashioned)A(rrogant)N(arrow-minded).
    You are a genius, Miles.
    The Jazz aren't going anywhere with Jarry at the helm, no matter who is on the roster.

  • Miles
    May 31, 2009 12:24 a.m.

    If your name is not Dwill or Boozer, forget it. YOu will never see the ball on offense unless there is a triple team. Stand around the three point line and do the hokie pokie. Who in their right mind would want to come to Utah unless you were coming to replace Boozer! Jerry is conditioned to fail in the playoffs. No defense and predictable offense. The Lakers destroyed us in 5 games. Wasn't even a series and you Sloan Lovers all want him back cause he won 48 games. Big Deal.

  • todd from santa ana
    May 30, 2009 11:38 p.m.

    get Chris Bosh and we can start seeing serious improvement....Is O COnnor capable will it be sign and trade for Boozer #20 pick as part of deal for Bosh?

    Great idea

    New Coach (not happening) almost =good idea

  • WHY,WHY
    May 30, 2009 9:23 p.m.

    DRAFT ANOTHER 2YR PROJECT! Thats just brilliant o'conner, whats needed is tough,big seasoned vet's! I agree that there talented, and fun to watch when there at home or just playing good. The team is for the most part young, they don't need to be any younger,the fans have been waiting long enough.And if I may: coaching staff take note of the 4 teams that played in the finals and how todays game is played size,defense,and 3 pt shooting.

  • Hollywood
    May 30, 2009 8:36 p.m.

    So, the Jazz are bringing back the draft party despite only having the 20th pick. O'Connor going to the pre-draft workouts, but no plans to bring in players right now for workouts.

    I think something is definitely up. Jazz don't want/need another rookie on the team with a 3-year guaranteed deal. KOC's actions seem to indicate a strong likelihood the pick has already been dealt. Due to trade restriction re: draft picks, look for the Jazz to make a selection, then deal the draft rights to that player.

    The fact the Jazz are having a party may indicate trading the pick is part of something bigger. Let's hope! Bringing pack the same team that "HEALTHY" finished the season so poorly means change is needed. If not, Jazz will just keep losing in the 1st or 2nd round until Deron's contract runs out and he leaves town.

  • todd from santa ana
    May 30, 2009 4:59 p.m.

    O connor trading up to get a top 5 pick? really!!!!! not hee hee.........1 "sloanaholc" out of 4, the usual low percentage.... "fun and competitive" it is all most of you want not interested in winning and competing seriously for a title...

  • The problems with the Jazz
    May 30, 2009 3:06 p.m.

    are pretty sestemic and go top to bottom. There will be no real change unless Greg drives it. KOC/Sloan are not about to change much.

    Sloan's system is somewhat unique and therefor during the regular season other teams do not make special adjustments for the Jazz. That results in making the playoffs.

    The playoffs are about coaching, making adjustments and defense (all Jazz weaknesses). Hence the Jazz lose early.

    The playoffs are about talent (not systems) and the Jazz have too little talent to stop the Lakers, Cleveland or Orlando. Only Miller can decide if he wants a winner or just the same old barely adequate. Sloan and KOC are just going to do the same thing and get the same results.

    It does not matter a whole lot who the Jazz draft as the Jazz are horrible drafters in the first round. If they do get a decent player they eventually go elsewhere (at least over the last 10 years).

    The problem is continuity to a fault. Get some talent.

  • STEVE-O
    May 30, 2009 2:45 p.m.

    I predict the Jazz trade up in the draft to get somebody that can make an impact right away. And I'm basing this on the fact that they're having a draft party. They didn't have the party last year because nothing special was going to happen at the draft.
    You heard it here first folks!!!

  • Re Miles
    May 30, 2009 2:13 p.m.

    Yes CJ has athletism, but what about heart and desire? Where's his toughness? We have too many softies, thats what people have been trying to tell you all year. Why don't you listen? This is not a childs game, it requires being a MAN!

  • Re: JazzHater72 @ 4:17am
    May 30, 2009 12:39 p.m.

    Who's kidding who clueless. Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson had the tools to work with my friend. I could have won all those championships. Besides take a look at the sidelines of those teams in those championship years. The players were doing most of the talking not the coaches. If the old Jerry West/Elgin Baylors Lakers would have had a center we wouldn't even have been talking about Red Auerbach. It was all about Bill Russell. Draft choices are the reason for championship teams. If San Antonio hadn't had the #1 picks with Robinson and Duncan they would have been going nowhere. Come on Hater! Get real! The Jazz would have been where the Nuggets were had they not had the misfortune of key injuries. Jerry Sloan was a magician to get the team to 48 wins. But nowadays the NBA is such a watered down product almost any halfway decent team can get 40 wins. This years playoffs is all about Labron and Kobe....hopefully Labron can overcome the obstacle of being down 2-3 going to Orlando. The Lakers are a much superior club to either the Magic or the Cavaliers, trust me. LAKERS!

  • Miles
    May 30, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    We have athletism in CJ and you all bag on him. Why should the Jazz get athletes, that not what the fans want!! You all pay for boring, stand around basketball.

  • leonard
    May 30, 2009 8:07 a.m.

    the Jazz are still one of the most exciting teams to watch in the NBA

  • A Draft Party?
    May 30, 2009 7:59 a.m.

    A party for something they have no business participating in? Why would the Jazz want to draft a rookie? They don't get to play here and we don't need a rookie anyway. What we need to do is trade everyone of our draft pick including the Knicks choice and the 2 drafted last year that are overseas and see if we can't come up with some veterans with "HEART", desire, and energy. Get rid of the soft overpaid players we have now. How about some athletism for a change?

  • Re:JazzHater72
    May 30, 2009 4:17 a.m.

    "Why so much hate man? It might not be a couple of years, but the Jazz will win a championship"
    --------------------------------------------------=

    That's right, we'll see a the new, vastly transformed Jerry Sloan with new innovative system that will take the Jazz and the NBA to a whole new level, never seen before. At the end Jerry will eclipse the memories of Auerbach and Jackson, as the best of all times to ever suit up to coach basketball.

  • JazzHater72
    May 29, 2009 11:42 p.m.

    Why so much hate man? It might not be a couple of years, but the Jazz will win a championship

  • JazzHater72
    May 29, 2009 10:53 p.m.

    Who ever the Jazz pick will amount to nothing but watching them lose in the Play-Offs.....Nobody will believe Me...I do not know why?