Who ever the Jazz get will be better then what they already havea and i agree
they need a tough player
If you can't get up above #10 just forget the draft. Trade every draft choice
you have this year and next for a few TOUGH players like Nocioni ect.
get some players that plays more on defense, and someone who hustles more,.get
some guards that can shoot when he is wide open, you know what I'm talking
about, maybe someone with a good stroke shooting outside shots
Re: AnonymousYour entire post basically assumes that O'Conner should
always be able to find the person in the draft who will have the best NBA
career. Basically you're assuming he should be a fortune teller. How many teams
passed on Rondo?I'll give you one that 2004 was a really bad year
for the Jazz. The Humphries and Snyder draft picks both look really bad in
retrospect. Not only Smith, but the Jazz could have gotten Big-Al and Jameer
Nelson that year. In O'Conner's defense though, he was brilliant in
2006 and he did a great job in 2005. Drafting Monta Ellis right after D-Wil
doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, and most experts, besides Ford, thought
David Lee should not have been a first rounder. I really think the
06 Jazz draft is really underrated. Picking up Millsap and Brewer at 14 and
fortysomething is amazing, especially when you consider the top 5 picks consist
of Andrea Bargnani, Ty Thomas, Adam Morrison, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Sheldon
Williams. If you take out Aldridge, is there a two man combo you'd trade for
Millsap and Brewer? Not me.
RE Negitive CommentsO'Conner did not trade Williams for Martell
Webster and Linal Klisa. He traded Danny Granger, David Lee and Danial Gibson.
Yes Portland took Webster, but the Jazz loved Granger, and would have taken him
over Webster for sure. Everyone but Portland had Granger ranked over Webster in
that draft. And Klisa was selected ahead of Lee, but Lee was ranked
#14 in Ford's draft list and he was much higher draft prospect. Finally that year the Jazz selected Miles instead of Monte Ellis. - Chad Ford
Anaylsis "Interesting pick for the Jazz. He does just about everything well but
nothing great. That's normally not a good recipe for a high school player coming
out. Still he went ahead of several more highly ranked high school prospects
like Andray Blatche, Monta Ellis and Louis Williams." Good one O'Conner
Other Draft Blunders. The Jazz took Humphries instead of Josh Smith -
Josh Smith was ranked Much higher than Hunpries on all draft boards. The Jazz took Brewer instead of Rondo - both ranked high, but if the Jazz did
not select Williams they could have had Rondo. Rondo, Ellis, Gibson,
Granger, Smith, Lee, Millsap, Koufas,
Sorry to have to point out your contradiction, but if the NBA will only allow
the elite market teams to win a championship, then how would getting rid of
Sloan help Utah's chances?
Trade Boozer for Bosh and all these problems go away. With just that difference
we would kill the Lakers, Nuggets, Rockets, Spurs, Magic, Cavs or Celtics. Do it
KOC! Do it yesterday!
There are only three teams in the nba they will let win a championship they are
lakers, boston exct. What I mean is they need the money so they will only let
the one millon plus market in population win the championship thats why this
year the lakers will take it in 6 or less. the nba will not allow orlando to
win. Don't get me wrong but I wouyld love to see utah win a championship but it
won't happen at least not under sloan. Thats why wee need to GIT RID OF SLOAN
before the year start again.
Why is it when people question Jerry's methods after twenty years of coaching
(no rings) that everyone thinks it's a negative thing? Great organizations and
companies continually question what they do. If you don't evolve, you die man. I
do think the Jazz need a new infusion of fresh air within their organization
unless you are fine making money doing status quo? As far as Kevin Oconner goes,
he has done much better in the draft over the past couple of years. The problem
with Kevin is he doesn't have the ultimate power, Jerry does. Otherwise, Chris
Paul would be here and not D-Will. Jerry and the coaching staff are conservative
by nature. They think you get better by keeping teams together over time. We
will see this summer how that plan works out if Booz or Memo leaves? That puts
KO in a difficult position. My prediction for he draft....the Jazz have a couple
of older players (jr/sr)in mind that could contribute something, if they are
gone, they either stash another player overseas or completely trade or sell
their draft pick. Fans won't be happy with the DRAFT PARTy!!
Thabeet = Olikawandi
Why the negative comments cause we are tired of settling every year. Tired of
Jerry and losing in the playoffs every year. Tired of the same ol same ol.
Time for some new direction for this team. Who cares who we drafted or didn't
draft. We have had for the past few years all the pieces to win it all and we
have nothing to show for it. Now the team will be broken up and we will be
starting over again. Jerry doesn't have what it takes to win it all. Does the
Name Marty Schotemheimer ring a bell? Wins lots of games but can't win the big
games. Same with Jerry. Looks good on paper but can't coach himself out of a
paperbag in the playoffs.
RE: Celebrate!!It is true that Borchardt was not what the Jazz hoped
he would be. However, there are many players from many different teams of whom
that could be said.As to passing on Parker, if that is a legitimate
criticism, it does not apply only to the Jazz, since he was taken with the 28th
I have never lived in Utah and never seen a Jazz game in person. But the Jazz
have been my favorite team, of any sport, for twenty years. I only get to see
them on TV. At least, usually, they only pick players that seem to be able to
stay out of trouble. I would rather have that than a championship. And yes, I
am a big fan of Jerry Sloan.....perhaps it is a generation thing.I
wonder about all of the negativity in this thread. Were you the same folks that
booed when Stockton was drafted?
Wow, all you haters are depressing.
Man, the original thoughts really are really flowing here.Seriously,
you all make it sound like everyone hates Jerry Sloan and Kevin O'conner.First, for those of you who think Kevin O'Conner just does what Sloan
says, you're wrong. Sure, he picks players that are intelligent enough to play
in the Jazz system and tough enough to deal with the Sloan criticism, but he
thinks independently from Sloan, and he evaluates the talent... Second, Sloan puts the guys on the court that he feels will help the team win.
If that player is a rookie he'll give them a shot. Paul Millsap, Deron Williams,
and AK all got big minutes as rookies.Third, I feel like Kevin
O'Conner has done a brilliant job in the draft. Lets just look at the last 4
years:2005) What he had to deal with: The number 6, and 2 late first
rounders. What he turned that into, Deron Williams AKA the franchise. Do all you
O'Conner haters realize that he traded Martell Webster, Linas Kleiza and a
nobody into a super star? Obviously you forgot that.
O'Connor drafted Williams and Milsap, and Brewer, and traded for other key
players. I love how everyone is an expert on coaching and personel. I have
enjoyed years of the Jazz trying to put hard working/play your heart out players
(ie Williams/Harpring) and would rather see the (for the most part) classy
palyers they try to bring in than put up with the spoiled, talk back to the
coach, cry-baby, criminals that other teams put up with just to win a few more
Good luck on that one.You can count on geniuses O'connor and Sloan to get
Thabeet in Jazz uniform. And if they do get him, you will have to count on Sloan
to play him as a rookie... wait a minute, didn't a certain coach in Utah
who was said to have benched D-Will in his rookie season in favor of keith
McCleod ? Since history always repeat itself in Utah...
This year's draft class is so weak this draft will not do anything for anyone
drafting past 5. If the Jazz want some change then do it through trades of free
agency. We already have way too much youth to win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I hope that the jazz do trade up in
the draft. What they need to do is package boozer and our #20 pick and next
years NY pick or AK (if necessary) to pick up Memphis's #2 pick. I believe if we
did that than we could get a defensive beast in Hasheem Thabeet, than we could
move Okur to the four spot. Also the jazz desperately need a back-up point
guard-though I would like to see Price more before filling that void. Miller
needs to make Jerry play Koufos and price more. If we could get Thabeet
in the draft, I think that would change our team drastically. Look at the nba
and it's progression. It's alwasy been a big mans league. Russel and Wilt early
on, than Hakeem And Shaq and Robinson and Duncan. Now it's Howard. We need
Thabeet to answer back...it could change everything.
The Jazz will duplicate previous brilliant picks like trading for Curtis
Borchardt, passing on Tony Parker, etc.
There are three problems that seem to be obstacles for improvement...Has anyone
really looked at the atrocious job that Kevin O'Connor has done with draft picks
since arriving in Utah. He has to take alot of the blame for this team.Let's face it the Jazz are a soft heartless team with a marginally good
coach.Sloan is always getting outcoached. He does not motivate his
players, will not defend the three, has poor defensive schemes and substitutes
too mechanically. His timeouts are not effective.
Brilliant comments, Miles. That is the point that summerizes the state of the
Utah Jazz. Jerry is a conditioned loser in playoffs and in important games, and
that's what his name stands for:S(tubborn)L(oser)O(ld
fashioned)A(rrogant)N(arrow-minded).You are a genius, Miles. The
Jazz aren't going anywhere with Jarry at the helm, no matter who is on the
If your name is not Dwill or Boozer, forget it. YOu will never see the ball on
offense unless there is a triple team. Stand around the three point line and do
the hokie pokie. Who in their right mind would want to come to Utah unless you
were coming to replace Boozer! Jerry is conditioned to fail in the playoffs.
No defense and predictable offense. The Lakers destroyed us in 5 games. Wasn't
even a series and you Sloan Lovers all want him back cause he won 48 games. Big
get Chris Bosh and we can start seeing serious improvement....Is O COnnor
capable will it be sign and trade for Boozer #20 pick as part of deal for
Bosh?Great ideaNew Coach (not happening) almost =good
DRAFT ANOTHER 2YR PROJECT! Thats just brilliant o'conner, whats needed is
tough,big seasoned vet's! I agree that there talented, and fun to watch when
there at home or just playing good. The team is for the most part young, they
don't need to be any younger,the fans have been waiting long enough.And if I
may: coaching staff take note of the 4 teams that played in the finals and how
todays game is played size,defense,and 3 pt shooting.
So, the Jazz are bringing back the draft party despite only having the 20th
pick. O'Connor going to the pre-draft workouts, but no plans to bring in players
right now for workouts. I think something is definitely up. Jazz
don't want/need another rookie on the team with a 3-year guaranteed deal. KOC's
actions seem to indicate a strong likelihood the pick has already been dealt.
Due to trade restriction re: draft picks, look for the Jazz to make a selection,
then deal the draft rights to that player. The fact the Jazz are
having a party may indicate trading the pick is part of something bigger. Let's
hope! Bringing pack the same team that "HEALTHY" finished the season so poorly
means change is needed. If not, Jazz will just keep losing in the 1st or 2nd
round until Deron's contract runs out and he leaves town.
O connor trading up to get a top 5 pick? really!!!!! not hee hee.........1
"sloanaholc" out of 4, the usual low percentage.... "fun and competitive" it is
all most of you want not interested in winning and competing seriously for a
are pretty sestemic and go top to bottom. There will be no real change unless
Greg drives it. KOC/Sloan are not about to change much. Sloan's
system is somewhat unique and therefor during the regular season other teams do
not make special adjustments for the Jazz. That results in making the playoffs.
The playoffs are about coaching, making adjustments and defense (all
Jazz weaknesses). Hence the Jazz lose early.The playoffs are about
talent (not systems) and the Jazz have too little talent to stop the Lakers,
Cleveland or Orlando. Only Miller can decide if he wants a winner or just the
same old barely adequate. Sloan and KOC are just going to do the same thing and
get the same results. It does not matter a whole lot who the Jazz
draft as the Jazz are horrible drafters in the first round. If they do get a
decent player they eventually go elsewhere (at least over the last 10 years).The problem is continuity to a fault. Get some talent.
I predict the Jazz trade up in the draft to get somebody that can make an impact
right away. And I'm basing this on the fact that they're having a draft party.
They didn't have the party last year because nothing special was going to happen
at the draft. You heard it here first folks!!!
Yes CJ has athletism, but what about heart and desire? Where's his toughness? We
have too many softies, thats what people have been trying to tell you all year.
Why don't you listen? This is not a childs game, it requires being a MAN!
Who's kidding who clueless. Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson had the tools to work
with my friend. I could have won all those championships. Besides take a look
at the sidelines of those teams in those championship years. The players were
doing most of the talking not the coaches. If the old Jerry West/Elgin Baylors
Lakers would have had a center we wouldn't even have been talking about Red
Auerbach. It was all about Bill Russell. Draft choices are the reason for
championship teams. If San Antonio hadn't had the #1 picks with Robinson and
Duncan they would have been going nowhere. Come on Hater! Get real! The Jazz
would have been where the Nuggets were had they not had the misfortune of key
injuries. Jerry Sloan was a magician to get the team to 48 wins. But nowadays
the NBA is such a watered down product almost any halfway decent team can get 40
wins. This years playoffs is all about Labron and Kobe....hopefully Labron can
overcome the obstacle of being down 2-3 going to Orlando. The Lakers are a much
superior club to either the Magic or the Cavaliers, trust me. LAKERS!
We have athletism in CJ and you all bag on him. Why should the Jazz get
athletes, that not what the fans want!! You all pay for boring, stand around
the Jazz are still one of the most exciting teams to watch in the NBA
A party for something they have no business participating in? Why would the Jazz
want to draft a rookie? They don't get to play here and we don't need a rookie
anyway. What we need to do is trade everyone of our draft pick including the
Knicks choice and the 2 drafted last year that are overseas and see if we can't
come up with some veterans with "HEART", desire, and energy. Get rid of the soft
overpaid players we have now. How about some athletism for a change?
"Why so much hate man? It might not be a couple of years, but the Jazz will win
a championship" --------------------------------------------------=That's right, we'll see a the new, vastly transformed Jerry Sloan with
new innovative system that will take the Jazz and the NBA to a whole new level,
never seen before. At the end Jerry will eclipse the memories of Auerbach and
Jackson, as the best of all times to ever suit up to coach basketball.
Why so much hate man? It might not be a couple of years, but the Jazz will win a
Who ever the Jazz pick will amount to nothing but watching them lose in the
Play-Offs.....Nobody will believe Me...I do not know why?