I thought the tdS clown was never going to shut up!
Wow! Ute fans get pretty emotional when speaking about the Y. Still looking for
approval I guess.I'm hoping this is the same person who commented before
and thought their "trophy" was legitimate. I wouldn't have thought in a million
years that two people would actually believe that the U won the National
Championship in '08. Yes the Y's championship was in '84, but at least it was an
official championship forever recognized in the records of the NCAA. You get
voted #1 by some random internet site and you actually believe that it means you
won the National Championship. Check back in a few years at the list of NCAA
champions in football over the years. I'll bet if you look at 1984 you will see
BYU and if you look at 2008 you will see Florida. Just because U fans want so
bad to believe that your trophy is legitimate doesn't make it so. And just
because envious U fans want to believe that our trophy is "pretend" or "fragile"
doesn't make it any less "REAL".BTW, how could I be hurt? We win real
championships not made-up ones.
Thank you for your vile, irrational, and envious tripe. Your tears were
delicious. What a perfect ending to the 2008-09 school year.Sincerely,the 2008 MWC/Sugar Bowl Champion;2008-09
Basketball MWC/MWC Tournament Champion;2009 Baseball MWC Tournament
I love how tdS fans can watch their team LOSE to the Utes in Football, BOUNCE
OUT of the MWC Tournament in Basketball and Baseball, CLING to the MOST DISPUTED
title in NCAA Football history...from a 1/4 century ago no less...and claim to
be the superior program.The Nat'l Championship trophy is real, and
made of more durable mat'l than your fragile [no pun intended] award.
No need to come down to Provo when we have one right here in SLC.I
HAVE read the comments on almost every "why?" and Utah article, and it's the
ZOOBS who most often attempt to transition from the present to the past.You can be sure that if you asked any NON-Mormon, unaffilliated with the
"why?" and Utah County, who is a college football fan, they will roll their eyes
at the tdS claim to be #1 from their '84 season, but they will NOT discount what
accolades the Utes have earned this last decade.Face it...the Utes
are NOW. The tdS is a "has-been" that "never-really-was". And that HURTS
you.How marvelous!GO UTES!!!
"The 2008 Utah Football team has a National Championship trophy in their trophy
case. Go ahead, stop by, and see it for yourself.2008 media National
Championships awarded by:1. FansPoll"FansPoll is the only
website of its kind that lets fans choose who the next collegiate football
champion should be. The fans have spoken and confirmed what many believe, that
the true national champ is Utah"2. CollegeFootballTalk"...we
recognized the significance of Utah's accomplishments, and we declared the Utes
the CollegeFootballTalk National Champions. Our readers agreed, making Utah the
overwhelming choice as the rightful 2008 National Champs."I love how
Ute fans live in bizarro world. That's where legitimate championships are
"pretend", and pretend championships are "legitimate". I wonder what that trophy
looks like. Probably a cardboard cutout of a real one. Come down to Provo if you
want to see a real trophy.Also, if you read the comments on almost every
BYU or Utah article, it will be Ute fans that will bring up 1984 or anything
else BYU has done in the past before a Cougar fan would.
5. Quest to stop claiming to have won any championships when it never has, and
never will, happen.The 2008 Utah Football team has a National
Championship trophy in their trophy case. Go ahead, stop by, and see it for
yourself.2008 media National Championships awarded by:1.
FansPoll"FansPoll is the only website of its kind that lets fans choose
who the next collegiate football champion should be. The fans have spoken and
confirmed what many believe, that the true national champ is Utah"2.
CollegeFootballTalk"...we recognized the significance of Utah's
accomplishments, and we declared the Utes the CollegeFootballTalk National
Champions. Our readers agreed, making Utah the overwhelming choice as the
rightful 2008 National Champs."
1. Quest for a winning record.The Utes' have 8 winning seasons in
the past 10. The tdS has only 5.2. Quest to avoid three straight
mediocre years.From '05-'07, the Utes had 7, 8, and 9 win seasons.
If by "mediocre" you mean "unranked" then okay. It happened. But I'll take 3
straight "mediocre" yrs over 3 straight LOSING seasons like the tdS' '02-'04.3. Quest to get as much pub as our rivals.I'm fairly certain
the Utes' publicity and Nat'l profile from 2 undefeated seasons, accompanied by
2 BCS bowl wins and Top-5 finishes in 5 yrs, and nation-leading 8-game
postseason win streak, has surpassed any pub coming from Provo.4.
Quest to stop bringing up the past accomplishments of our rivals and then
claiming they are the ones living in the past.Only ONE fanbase
insists on bringing up events from a 1/4 century ago, and those would be the
zoobs. Utes are more focused on RECENT events.
"Quests" aren't for Utes. They're for zoobs, players, and coaches affiliated
with the tdS. Currently, BronKo is on a "Quest for no more slogans that make us
look arrogant and ridiculous". However, here are a few of MY suggestions for
BronKo to consider:(1) "Quest to reclaim our fanbase". With all
these zoobs out there who are either afraid, embarrassed, or both, to admit
they're tdS fans, and having to glom onto other schools with more competitive
success (i.e. SDSU in Basketball and Baseball, TCU in Football and Baseball, or
bandwagon favorite USC), this has been hurting the "why's" marketing
strategy.(2) "Quest to be honest with our fellow man". Nah. That's
just a pipe-dream. Sort of like "Questing" for a BCS Bowl Bid. Or for beating
teams with a winning record.(3) "Quest to DUPE former and potential
future fans into buying into preseason hype". That'll quick-fix the "why's"
marketing strategy. Any subsequent failures and shortcomings can be blamed on
the refs, the arenas, and the anti-Mormon media. And the Democrats, of course.
Maybe even Bill Clinton.
Second Chance to do what? Make friends? Not cry after a loss? Has he repented
of some sin he committed?Write a real headline like this:Beck
Not Crying About Ravens
I have a few suggestions for the motto of our football team this year.1. Quest for a winning record.2. Quest to avoid three straight mediocre
years.3. Quest to get as much pub as our rivals.4. Quest to stop
bringing up the past accomplishments of our rivals and then claiming they are
the ones living in the past.5. Quest to stop claiming to have won any
championships when it never has, and never will, happen.What do you
Just a matter of time til he flunks out of the NFL.
"Since TCU (then Utah and Arizona) exposed and humiliated the "why?" ersatz
claims to more a more noble and humble "reach-to-a-destination" have been become
de rigueur."Well, that is until they went undefeated, as in their
Rugby team. THEN the Quests TRUE and ORIGINAL intent manifested itself.
re: What a crack up! Utes are funny | 5:08 p.m. May 25, 2009 Gee! I
think the group Bowling for Soup left some choice lyrics out of their song
Now should a zoob in denial question, "what do those two quotes have anything to
do with what BronKo meant":BronKo "Raised the Bar (c.2007)" for his
"Band of Brothers (c.2006)" amid his "Quest for Perfection (c.2008)". Each
year, those goals escalated, and in the year predicted to be the tdS' breakout
season, the "Quest" was born. Look up the word "double entendre".Fans, such as "BYU Rugby Alum", and players, such as DE Jan Jorgensen pounced
on this motto because to THEM, it meant...wait for it...a PERFECT season.
BronKo only backpedaled after the MEDIA jumped on it, not the fans and players.
This suggests it was HIS agenda too. Once criticized for his hubris, he
suddenly about-faced.Why were those T-shirts such a hot ticket PRIOR
TO the TCU game...but not AFTER? Had the team already been perfected? Perhaps
the Frogs would suggest otherwise. And the UTES! And the embarrassingly
mediocre 7-5 Arizona Wildcats.Since TCU (then Utah and Arizona)
exposed and humiliated the "why?" ersatz claims to more a more noble and humble
"reach-to-a-destination" have been become de rigueur.Dubious,
duplicitous zoobs. Only fooling themselves.
I'm glad this story is about John Beck and not Glenn Beck.As a UU
grad & Dolphins fan, I was glad to see him come to Miami and mixed to see him
leave. I was glad to see Cameron pass on Brady Quinn but REALLY irritated when
they drafted Ginn.It was not meant to be for JB w/ the phins and
wish him nothing but the best in Baltimore.
Dick Cheney said waterboarding isn't torture. Just because an official says
something, that doesn't make it true. While none will ADMIT it, BronKo's "Quest
for Perfection" WAS about going undefeated. It's inference has been noted:On a May 4th DesNews article, "Y rugby club claims national title", the
4th poster of the day, "BYU Rugby Alum" said, "Thanks for representing BYU RUGBY
and all those who went before in efforts to bring this coveted trophy home.
QUEST FOR PERFECTION 18-0 is amazingly awesome with rugby." Have those Rugby
players already achieved "perfection"? Have they already ascended to the
Celestial Kingdom? Have they already been translated? Immortalized? NO!tdS DE, Jan Jorgensen, was quoted in the Aug. 11, 2008 edition of Sports
Illustrated magazine as saying, "Nobody's going to be satisfied with just
winning the Mountain West. OUR GOALS HAVE TO BE HIGHER THAN THAT."Since only a BCS bowl can trump a MWC Title, and since the only way to OBTAIN
said bowl for a non-BCS team is to go UNDEFEATED, or ACHIEVE PERFECTION, it's
pretty obvious what BronKo REALLY meant. Only bitter zoobs in denial can't see
"If you are going to try to raise a Ute fan at least know it was 4th and 18, not
19. Anyways, I will raise you 2 BCS Championships..."You have to admit,
for "Hey Genius" to split hairs and correct somebody on a 4th and 18 (as if one
yard makes all the difference in such a scenario) and then to claim that the
Utes have "2 BCS Championships" in the very next sentence, is pretty darn funny.
And I'll tell you what else is funny - the comment from HAHAHAHAHA!!! @ 9:51
(5-25-09). That was funny! Thanks for the laugh.
Yawn...Uuuuu beter get back to you ewes as they may be interested in your stats
that still add up to a big ZERO!U little boys are getting further
and further away from the mythical 1884 that the national media and sports fans
can't even remember!When you can do something in the present--post
it--'til then speak about current accomplishments...which is basically
In no way is any of this slamming on your beloved University up north, it's
simply stating an update about a once local QB for one of the state's major
University's for football. Once and for all for all the Ute fans who still can't
get their head around the "Quest for Perfection" motto, IT COMES FROM THE BYU
MISSION STATEMENT FOR THE UNIVERSITY AS A WHOLE. Bronco didn't just randomly
pick it out, it comes from the freaking school mission statement, which has been
around forever. He's said several times it was never intended to imply they
would have an undefeated season, he just got fed up with trying to explain that
to everyone like yourselves who won't take it any other way.
I don't understand the caption. When was Beck's "first chance" to "start over"?
BronKo has ONE more victory, and ONE more conference title than Whittingham, but
Whittingham has TWO more Coach of the Year Awards. BronKo has ONE
win over a team finishing their season ranked in the Top-25. Whittingham has
FIVE, plus an additional 3 who were ranked at the time we played them.BronKo has five wins over teams from a BCS conference. Whittingham has
SEVEN!BronKo has only TWO Bowl wins, and only to unranked teams with
a combined record of 13-13. Whittingham has FOUR Bowl wins, with only 7-5
[#24] Ga. Tech having fewer than 8 wins. Don't even get me started on
"how many BCS Bowl games/wins?" does BronKo have.The tdS has
accomplished NOTHING since the inception of the MWC. In '01, '06, and '07, your
BEST teams, you've only beaten ONE ranked opponent (an opponent the Utes beat
that year also), and compiled a 2-3 postseason record. You speak of Ute
"delusions of grandeur", but WE weren't the ones throwing Tortillas on our field
at our season opener in 2001. WE never printed up "Quest for Perfection"
T-shirts.Bitter, bitter zoob!GO UTES!!!
For all the delusions of grandeur up north, Bronco still has a better overall
record and more conf titles than KWhitt. BYU, not utah is coming off 3 straight
years of double digit wins and being ranked, utah just finished their first of
both in 4 years. Congrats on your BCS Championship, oh wait I mean Sugar
Bowl victory. I am still laughing from that comment. And for all the
Beck hating utes out there, just remember that Alex Smith is about one season
from replacing Ryan Leaf as the worst first round QB draft pick in NFL history.
Ute fans you need to dial it back a notch. We all know you are going to
disappear next year when you go 8-5 or 9-4 aqnd finish in 3rd or 4th in the MWC
like you did in 2005-2007.
I believe it was a Yewt who first brought up 1984. Why would you continue to add
to all the stupidity? Actually the best comment was the Yewt who said they have
2 BCS Championships. And Yewt fans keep saying that BYU fans are delusional.
Good luck with the Ravens, John. Hang on to the ball please.
We may not reach a 6 game losing streak, but likely 4 or 5 games in a row
carried over from last years miserable ending. But hey, a loss to a good team
in a NEW stadium is better than a loss in the Vegas Bowl to AZ. So things are
getting better, just like the economy. When will this season end?
I'm already tired of BYU fans trying to remind themselves that "things aren't
that bad" by playing the 1984 card. Hopefully 1984 and the anti-depressants
work. The players on this years team weren't even born then - well maybe half
of them weren't.
Some have complained about all the articles on John Beck. Even though I am a Ute
fan, there is nothing wrong with this reporting. After all, most people in Utah
are BYU fans, and if there is a market for it, you will see articles supporting
the interests of that market.Good luck Beck. I hope you do well, but
not too well against my favorite team, the Steelers!
I see the Ute faithful are still obsessed with BYU past and present. How else
do you explain all of these laim comments over and over again, week in and week
Championships? Hilarious! Salt Lake City is the one pretending. The BCS is a
joke. The 1984 Cougars are the only real football champions ever out of the
state of Utah. End of discussion.
You'll raise us 2 BCS Championships? What Championships would those be? I
believe Florida won it last year and USC won it the 2004 season when the U went
undefeated. Granted, those were both great Ute teams...but those weren't
championships. And the funniest thing to me about all this is that the players,
the ones actually doing the competing, don't care nearly as much about the
rivalry and all the trash-talking banter as the fans do...especially once
they've graduated and/or moved on to the NFL. Being a Cougar fan, I'm hoping
Beck, Collie, and all the other BYU alumni do well in the pros...but I also hope
Alex Smith gets the starting job back, Steve Smith keeps tearing it up in
Carolina, and Weddle keeps making big plays in San Diego.
I don't read Ute stories and cannot comment on BYU fans' blogs, but the Ute fans
do love Cougar stories. Keep up the interest fans at East High on the hill.
If you are going to try to raise a Ute fan at least know it was 4th and 18, not
19. Anyways, I will raise you 2 BCS Championships, 2 undefeated seasons in 4
years, and Kruger, Dale, Smith, and Johnson are all still open. You can try to
raise me a '84 pretend championship if you want. Anyways, rivalry aside, I hope
Beck does great in the NFl, along with Kruger, Smith, A. Smith, Sean Smith,
Vakapuna, Weddle, and every other player that comes out of the MWC. The bigger
the mark they make on the NFL, the more legit it makes the conference. Beck
will do well if given the chance, he is smart, athletic, and has a great arm.
Best of luck to every player out of the MWC in the NFL, even Collie.
"FACT | 2:29 a.m. May 25, 2009 beck made a team. good for him. he will
last maybe one year, and kruger will reveal his flaws during practice by
lighting him up on a weekly basis, and kittie fans will cry just like beck did
during his time down south. KRUGER WILL ALWAYS BE OPEN !!!GO UTES !!!"You will eat your words.You're a dweeb. He's already lasted
2 years and very likely already made more money in those 2 years then you will
in your entire life.I'll take your "Kruger will always be open!" and
raise you a "Harline is still open!" AND "4th and 19th!"
It's so dang funny to read the negative yoot ocmments about Beck. They still
haven't gotten over that game where Beck snatched victory from the jaws of
defeat after time expired in their very own Rice-A-Roni Stadium! Let's see what
significant thing was it the yoots did in that game? Oh yeah they snatched
defeat from the jaws of victory. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
beck made a team. good for him. he will last maybe one year, and kruger will
reveal his flaws during practice by lighting him up on a weekly basis, and
kittie fans will cry just like beck did during his time down south.
KRUGER WILL ALWAYS BE OPEN !!! GO UTES !!!
He just might be a QB coach at UU and show their sorry red faces how its
done.Gee, has the U produced ANY, yes ANY QB of the stature of Young or
McMahon or Nielson or even Detmer or Bosco. How about...maybe some other
position? A little rivalry is a good thing but look at the long term quality of
All the yawns from those who bothered to read the whole article. Is life so
boring that you take the time to read something then whine about it?I hope Beck does well, as well as Kruger, etc. Life is too short to be such a
dimwit about charcter.And is there a Beck story in the paper every
week? I don't remember seeing one for months. Must have missed that.
When is football season going to get here?
I was just reviewing the list of Ute starting QBs in the NFL. The Page was
Can't wait til Beck proves himself to some of these Yay-Yewts!!!!! Oh wait, he
already did that. Remember that Harline's still open? It was by far the finest
throw you Yewts will ever see at your 40,000 capacity filled Rice Bowl. Beck's
throw was one of the finest throws in BYU Football history right up there behind
McMahon's hail mary to Clay Brown to win the 1980 miracle bowl vs. SMU. Beck's
arm was nearly as strong as McMahon's which says a ton! And his quick release is
second to none! Everybody deserves a second chance and John has made a believer
out of so many. Amazing senior year. Great talent. Great person. Enough said. Go
So. Dang. Good.
your awesome john beck. your i can't wait to see you at camp
Don't cry when you lose.
So, how long until we have to suffer through another press conference with Beck
crying about how it's not fair that he works so hard and just can't win.
nobody cares dick.......nobody
With few carrots left to motivate the cougar faithful along for the upcoming
football season, the best alternative is a story like this. We still have a 2
game losing streak and that could be pushed to 6 before we play USU. We have
cake in our faces for that "quest", and we have a fireside team masquerading as
a football team. At least we have 1984, right? Oh please.
AMEN!!!!! Keep these stories coming!
Who's better? No one was better then Beck when he played his senior season. He
would have picked apart the utes of 2008! He has it where the likes of smith and
at BYU,3rd rate in NFL at best,he eventually will be an assistant at BYU(2
Years). go UTES.
"He could get the call in the playoffs"...or he could sit on the
bench all year.
Go to some other blogs and leave your nasty comments there. Somewhere there has
got to be a negative comment blog for you two. What is wrong about
hearing about someone getting a second chance? Just call yourself Utah
supporters and be honest about it. Quit hiding behind anonymity. I like to
listen to Utah players getting a second chance also.Utah has about
the same age average as BYU. Several years ago they did a study on the age of
MWC college players comparing them to BYU. BYU only averaged 4-6 months older
than the other teams in the MWC. Around 10 years ago they did this when BYU
played other teams around the country and the TV commentators were also
surprised that the age difference was no where what they surmised it to be. For
some reason you and others think the BYU players are all 25-26 years old. If it
is so good for BYU why are the other teams telling their players to take 2 years
off and do nothing with football. It is nothing by sour grapes.
I'll bet if you look at page reads, stories like this one surpass most other
stories that the D-News publishes. The fact that Ute fans and even alleged
bored-but-BYU-fans-nonetheless are still reading and even commenting is
testament to that. I find it humorous that even in your disdain you reinforce
the publishing of these kinds of stories.
I for one really enjoy these and other stories on former Cougars in the NFL.
Please keep them coming. It is also nice to hear about how the players seem to
be able to see beyond the rivalry, unlike many fans.
I hope you were kidding about that Detmer plug and that it wasn't his fault that
he was playing behind HOF QB's Leading a team to an NFC championship game means
that you lead them all year long, not that you stepped in for a game or two
while the starting QB was out. Detmer does have one prestigious record, most
interceptions thrown by a QB in an NFL game. 7 I think, I bet Max Hall was
trying to best that record last year against the Utes, but came up short
If the NFL does not turn out for Beck, I see him spending two years as a GA at
LSU; then QBC for 3 to 5 at some BCS school; followed by a long stint as the OC
at some BCS school.
There is no doubt that Beck has NFL tools. He has a very quick release, is
accurate, smart, works hard, and has a very decent NFL arm - throwing the 2nd
fastest timed ball at the combine. His arm is probably twice as strong as a Hall
or Detmer and probably more in line with Steve Young's. His problem is exactly
what was stated in this article. One minute he throws a bad pick and the next
the pass of the day. It seemed to be the same everytime I checked in on Miami
articles discussing their camp. He often outplayed the other QBs in throwing
drills and threw passes that wowed those watching but almost always threw a bad
pick or two as well. When he did get on the field in Miami it was the same -
several turnovers mixed with some nice plays. It's one thing to blame Miami's
line and receivers for his game play but it seems he does the same in practice.
Coaches have to trust a starter and so far Beck has shown to be turnover prone.
And yet he also exhibits the raw skills that keeps people hanging on and hoping.
Yawwwnnnn is right. Great to see Beck is making friends. That is sooooooo nice.
I can't wait for a story on how retired BYU quarterback Robbie Bosco has a dog
that he likes to play with or Vai Sikahema now gives guest appearances at his
kids' nursery school. Come on, don't go searching so hard for these silly
Becks awesome! Best of luck to him with the Ravens. He could get the call in the
playoffs and prove the NFL that he's a worthy starter. That would make his stock
soar. Go John!
I really enjoy BYU sports, but do we have to hear about Jon Beck every week? it
is getting old
The NFL is lots of luck and timing, including fitting with the right coaching.
It does not mean that a good athlete is not good.
Detmer led both the Eagles and San Francisco to the NFC Championship game. Its
not his fault he was behind the likes of Farve and Young. Even Montana got
replace by Young.
Isn't as good as many of you BYU fans had predicted. He's not that good, he just
had a few more years in age playing for the "OLD MAN" club in the MWC.
With patience and a lot of luck, Beck should see some action this year. He's
got NFL talent and Baltimore would be wise to give him a shot. If they play
games with him like Miami, it's bye bye. Although, he could try out for the
CFL. That league is small but the intensity on the field and in the stands is
very real. Ironically, the CFL is building new stadiums and adding franchises.
But, I want Beck to make it here. If he goes north, we will never see him even
if he leads a team to the Grey Cup.
this is Beck's last stop in the NFL. He MUST have a good pre-season or else he
is gone for good. Miami was a bust so this has to be a BIG improvement or else
he will be using his BYU degree to do something else in life.
I love to see a guy get a second chance. He will do well, hes a very good back
up. I hope he can start in the NFL someday. Im a big fan, good luck to him. Ill
There's nothing wrong with being a backup quarterback in the NFL making millions
of dollars just ask Ty Detmer.
started too early, too many offensive coordinators, lucky he hasn't had the
injuries that Smith has though. And lucky he has a friend in Cam Cameron. He
should name his next son Cam.If he gets the 2nd string spot, there's
a good chance he'll see action,
Great to see another Mesa Mountain View grad doing well! Go Toros!