Family favored Demos over GOP in '08 races
RE re: "re: 10:43" | 9:35 a.m. May 22, 2009 I must question your
intelligence too. You wrote I COULD care lessOh, thats great! So
youre saying you do care about your tiring use of parentheses. Wow. I would have thought that by the tirade that followed that you could NOT care
lessBut, who am I to put words in the mouth of such an intelligent,
articulate writer as yourself. PS. I'm a literate gay liberal
atheist capitalist (who can also write) and I LOVE Huntsman. Why? Because he's
not a fearmonger like all of you ignorant straight conservative christain
FYI - I could care less whether you are "tiring" of the "parentheses", but you
have to admit they really do make a point -it got you bent out of shape!! (you
probably will have a problem with exclamation points also!!)Your
problem (or at least one of them) is that you assume way to much"!!" And you
hopefully know what assuming does? "FYI" nobody said I was from Utah, and
nobody said the rest of my family was LDS also. This just proves my
point about yo-yo's (such as yourself) and those of your political association,
you "assume" you know it all, when in reality, you only "assume" you know it
all"!!" You may what to consider some of that "change" that is being thrown
around. "Change" how you judge things you know nothing about, or "assume" you
know everything about"!!" ("PERIOD", "PERIOD" and "PERIOD")Thank you
so much for only proving my point, and you try to judge somebody else's "level
of intelligence". Maybe you should try to find your own level. Take some
advice from someone who has "been around the block enough", you should look down
toward the bottom of the barrel"!!"
To: good afternoonYou are the type of person someone can use to
measure job performance. If you are furious, then that person is most likely
making the correct decision. Also, the shift key pressed while typing the first
letter of a sentence turns the baby letter to a daddy letter. When you get that
mastered google "spell check."
i am both glad and angry to see huntsman go. glad because he turned out to be a
liar and traitor to his beliefs, his party, and his constituents. angry because
no one will probably know the real reason he got nominated. am i the only one
who notices that the only way to get highly respecte in politics is to support
homosexuality? let's not be naive people. we all know a stance such as his in
favor of gay civil unions does not come overnight. he only didn't mention it
sooner because he knew he would not win the election and because he wanted the
nomination. did anyone really ever consider him to run for president before he
went against the utah constitution which he had sworn to uphold? the reaosn i
don't trust him is because he has always lied about being a conservative and
against gay marriage, or because he supported to advance his political career.
either one is unacceptable. even if you are in favor of gay marriage, you cannot
support someon as openly dishonest as this guy.
I'll fight for cancer. Can I get a little money, Mr. Huntsman. I'll use the
money to buy healthy food, I'll use it to stop smoking, I'll use it to buy a
new, more environmentally friendly pickup truck, I'll use it to buy an RV so I
can take my family up the canyon more to breath cleaner air, I'll use it to buy
a membership to the club and get in shape, I'll use it to, build a bigger home,
I'll use it to take my family on vacations so we're not adding to the carbon
emissions in Utah. I'll put that money to good use fighting cancer in my family,
Mr. Huntsman; I promise. Do you want to write a check, or shall I give you my
account number for a direct deposit? I'm thinking $100K should cover it for now.
I'll even vote for who you tell me to. Deal?
I did not vote for Huntsman the first time around and I did not vote for him the
second time around. He has definitely veered into the left lane progressively
over the past several years. Problem with the second time around is that there
were no viable candidates. Sounds like sometime soon he may pull a
Specter....say 2016? because a moderate Republican will not make it as Prez.
(i.e. John McCain). With the moolah issue, they will be prepared for the Demo
party to accept that.I do respect the Huntsmans, however, father and
son. Good men.
cool....they have worked hard for their money and can spend it any way they
chose.they as a family have given much back to the community and
country.It's not your money, quit complaining.
Thanks Gov. We couldn't have done it with out you!!
I am grateful to the Huntsman family for all of their generous donations, I have
had close friends and family benefit from scholarships they have created. I'm
especially grateful for their efforts in cancer research, a field that I am
going to be working in. I would hope to see the government get more involved in
funding, if it means donating to campaigns regardless of party, then by all
means do it.
It is his money. He can donate it whereever he wishes. He does not take your
money and direct it to his wishes--it is his. That said, I wish I had his money
and he had a feather up his nose and we would both be tickled!
If you recall that most Mormons live outside of Utah, in fact outside of the US,
perhaps it won't surprise you that MORE Mormons are socialists than anything
else. Folks in Utah County claim to be Independent but vote straight party
Republican ticket every time because they think there is some connection between
their religion and their politics. Evidently not outside of Utah County--or
Speaking of hypocrits. You champion the cause to eliminate abortion, yet you
and your fellow war-mungering Republicans would love to see a gun in the hands
of every American. And not for any valid or responsible reason, but because a
group of men in the 1700's felt the need to fend off British troops from harming
their family and property. I believe Majerus probably had a similar
view of many outsiders who come into contact with the LDS culture.
This family has done a lot of good with their money, but much harm to the
country, with their left leaning ways. Jon jr. is a wolf in sheeps clothing.Socialists at heart. Good ridence !
This just shows how liberal huntsman really is if the most socialist president
hussein nominates "republican" huntsman to work his magic in china. Atleast this
will open up a spot for some real republican to step in and show Utah what they
Congradulations Mr. Huntsman.Godspeed you.U.S. Ambassadors are
supposed to represent all AMERICA, not just one political party ideology. Since most people on the board can't tell if he's a Republican or a Democrat
-- He'll represent America's best interest.As for the Republican vs
Democrat debate...They're all playing to the same Gadiantons. Politics is
just like watching a Punch and Judy show -- the same puppeteer throwing the
punches at each other, so the sheeple can be entertained.Pay no
attention to the man behind the curtain!
I have always admired your philanthropy and respect you even more for caring
about people more than their Party affiliation- your passion to fight cancer and
help finance research is a great gift. To those on this board that don't
appreciate it and can only attack because you don't support their agenda- they
are the minority- remember Jon Jr you have over an 80% approval rating, that
speaks louder than the few hateful remarks by those on these boards.I will miss Jon Jr as Governor, and to Jon Sr- I wish the best, thanks for
your continued support (and creation) of the Huntsman Center.Utah is lucky
to count you as a resident!
It must be nice to be a Huntsman son, to have everything handed to you, and not
have to struggle at all in life.
Jr. it will be sad to see you go. I think you have done a great job with the
State so far. I admire much of what your family has accomplished. Thank you for
being willing to go and serve the US overseas.
Though Jon Huntsman, Sr remains a fairly wealthy man, I don't believe he
currently qualifies as a billionaire - at least not according to recent
financial postings of his stock.
Thanks Gov!Just as the constitution is hanging by the thinest of
threads your family finances the guys sawing on it.You will probably
make a decent diplomat to China.Now Utah can have a govenor who really
understands freedom and liberty.Utah's gain may also be a gain for
the nation and China.This may well be a win, win, win situation.
Dear Wally,"Gringos" is a derogatory term used by Hispanics to
describe Europeans or "white" people. The irony of your sad efforts at satire is
your secular progressive comrades would love nothing more than to round up all
the "gringos" (white men) in the country and punish them for all the years of
horrible, hateful development of the most peaceful, prosperous, and free society
in recorded history. That the Huntsmans are paying both sides in the
"pay-to-play" game of politics is simply a disgusting reality of our world, not
a platform for partisan finger pointing or reason for your continued dribble
about how terrible Utah is. That someone finds it disingenuous for
John Jr. to run as a conservative and act as a liberal is not hateful, rather it
is a reasonable opinion based on observation. (P.S. Did you change
your name to Wally after being deeply moved by the message of the Disney movie
of similar name? Is your middle name Simba?)
Yes, Utahns were heavily Democratic in the 50's and '60s...but the 1972
Democratic National COnvention exposed the dirty little secret that the National
Party was controlled by the Looney Left advocating abortion, anti-military, gay
rights, legalizing drugs, etc., and that's the watershed event in utah politics.
Utahns left the Democratic party in droves... and have been with GOP ever
since. So for people to say their grandfather was Democrat and good LDS person
to justify current politics, is just plain stupid. That person's Grandfather
would likely be a Republican today because of the progressive fascists in
liberal Democratic party have moved it so far to the left that it leaves most
Utahns stone-cold, and nothing Harry Reid can say will change that until the
National party includes more conservatives.
Huntsman is a rino......apparently so is his father.......What is the story
behind the Huntsman kidnapping back some 20 years ago? Does anyone know the
Stop whinning about the recipients of Huntsman family political donations.
They can and should do what they want. The bottom line is that Jon
Huntsman, Jr. is extraordinarily qualified to be Ambassador to China. This can
be very beneficial for our country if he does his job well. China owns a lot of
this country's debt, and don't forget it. And I admire Jon Senior's
dedication to cancer research and treatment. That is a noble goal in life.
Unfortunatley, your family is very unique. As a non-LDS member of a family with
many LDS members, I hear all too often comments about how they don't know, or
care to know, what a politician actually stands for. What they do when reaching
the voting booth is to either 1)vote for whoever their
parents/siblings/significant other tells them to, or 2)hit the straight party
slot for Republicans.The fact that your family actually takes the
time to research candidates and their beliefs is very unique to the Utah
political landscape.Too many people in this state, and I'm sure
other states but being in Utah I cannot say for certain, have no knowledge of
the situation. They do what they are told. PERIOD!!FYI - Your
parentheses are extremely tiring. The fact that you've been around the block
enough to memorize many useless "yo-yo tricks" has obvioulsy not enhanced your
level of intelligence. Old does not equal educated and correct.
Nice to see the Huntsman's donating money to the political party who supports
abortion. They want to save lives of those with cancer but kill those who
aren't even born yet. Wow. What hypocrits. But then again Huntsman supported
Rick Majerus regardless of Rick's disdain for Mormons simply because Rick could
give Sr. access to the NBA through George Karl. I see the Huntsman's as
hypocrits. Jr. will do well in China. He is well qualified and we won't have
to see him here in Utah.
CP - Ditto's. If only he gave all his coin to Bennett, Butters, Chaffetz, and
Crammer - we would be so much better off...They are the light and truth who will
lead us back to nuclear waste, anti-sodomy laws, and round'in up them gringos.
Those are the "true" principles we want here in Utah.
The Huntsmans gave money to Charlie Rangel in New York? I think they're sniffing
that stuff they make in those chemical factories! He's about as devisive as one
person can get. I lived in New York City - he's horrible!
yo-yo voting conscience = Vote for any yo-yo with a D by his name!!Seriously, what planet are you from?? I call you a yo-yo because you are one.
Probably one of these new "liberals" who seek change in every facet of life, up
one day and down the next, searching "around the world", every now and then
"walking the dog", and after reading your response, a "sleep" at the wheel,
(since you are too young to know, those are all yo-yo tricks in
parentheses). So all mormons vote "R", if you are not the "kettle"
calling the "pot" black (that is not racial thing, it is just an old saying),
you judge others as if they are all the same, yet you, yourself, are basically
doing the same thing from the opposite prospective.I am LDS, I have
five siblings, 3 are "R"'s and 2 are "D"'s, the "D"'s vote the way they do,
because they are educators and think that more money comes to them that way. My
point is, right or wrong, people vote for those who they think will bring them
the most benefit financially............. PERIOD!! ............ just like you
Of course, when you have that much money, you can afford to play both ends
toward the middle!
I have tremendous respect for both Huntsmans, no matter what they do with their
I never would have believed that some Mormons can be so ignorant:Listen,
being a Socialist is not a sin it just mean you believe and want social
justice.Being Liberal is not a sin either, it just mean you are open
minded to other currents of opinion.Being a liberal and a socialist is
closer to the scriptures than being a selfish capitalist. Have you heard of
Isaiahs, The united Order, the sharing in the Books of Acts, etc, etc.About this issue of Mr. Huntsman giving money to both parties...In what way is
that yours or mine busines??The world is bigger and greater than
provincial Utah....is true! Read, learn, travel rememeber "The Glory of God is
We finally have people with integrity and influence who are willing to support
politicians who coincide with personal views regardless of party affiliation.
Why do politics have to be an all or nothing team sport? For example, I enjoy
the idea of a hands-off government but despise that republicans preach freedom
but deny those who believe different than them of basic rights. As Yoda said,
Thinking in absolutes leads to the dark-side. Im glad that Huntsman will donate
to any politician regardless of party affiliation that will assist in his agenda
to fight cancer. You WILL be missed governor.
he who has the gold makes the rules.
"At this stage of my life, there is only one cause that I care about funding:
find a cure for cancer,"Why cant more people have that attitude? It looks
like Huntsman Sr. is very direct and straight forward about his donations. He
gives money to people who support cancer research. How could any of you
complain about who he gave money to if its for cancer research? He could buy the
cure for cancer from Kim Jong-Il for all I care. This whole Red vs. Blue is all
just smoke and mirrors.For the most part Americans want the same things.
Politicians need conflicts between two groups so they can implement their own
agenda. Its called the Hegelian dialectic; two parties generate conflicts to
implement their own agenda. The real creepy thing is Marx solely used the
Hegelian dialectic to justify communism. Literally Marxs whole reasoning for the
need of communism was this Hegelian dialectic, two party generating conflict for
their own means . Understanding the Hegelian dialectic is some very hard
reading, so I hope I understood it correctly. Please dont take my word for it,
go read about it.
We no longer have a two-party system.
It looks like there was some bill that Charlie Rangel was pushing through that
benefited Huntsman Inc. Wise businessmen.
Mormon voting conscience = Vote for the guy with the R by his name. The Utah County Clerks office should consider leaving candidates names blank
to save money on ink. Just put "To Be Determined" next to the R and you can
fill the position once the R wins the election.Please, this has been
and will always be the only voting method for LDS Republicans.If
Huntsman had an 80% approval rating recently, and all the LDS want him out, why
did they still approve of him? I'm assuming the LDS population is not only 20%.
Guess they weren't responding to the survey with their conscience, just the
fact he was a Republican.
Am I the only one who still sees political donations as bribes? And didn't John
Sr write a book on the importance of integrity? It never ceases to
amaze me the gall of the rich and powerful. It's not that they don't have their
own money to fund their own pet project. Maybe father and son are more similar
than I once thought. One wants taxpayers to fund his cancer project, and the
other to fund his soccer stadium project.@Utah Hatred. "You people
don't like anyone or anything" I think most people despise liars,
hypocrites, thieves (those who take from taxpayers for unconstitutional
purposes), and bribe payers who pay to win political favor. Honestly, it is
difficult to find a prominent person who is not infected with one or more of the
aforementioned afflictions. It's not like we don't want a hero to brag about. We
simply cannot find one worthy of the honor.My theory is that they
are all mentored by each other and become proficient in the art of cunning. Egos
blossom as bank accounts grow, and pretty soon they see themselves as gods over
the little people.
reason he's getting "bipartisan" money is that nobody can figure out which party
he belongs to or where he stands!
re: Cosmo | 8:44 a.m. May 20, 2009 Come on. Come on. Listen to the
has a long history of donating to Democrats as well as Republicans and
supporting liberal causes. This is not news. What's news is that Utahns are
surprised by this.Sure, the Huntsman Family (like some of us) is
self serving and they prove that money (though it can't buy you love) can get
you places.My suggestion is for Utahns to avoid their tendency to
worship "successful" saints. Be no more smitten by the Huntsmans than by your
next door neighbors. Chances are your neighbors are better people and serve
without blaring a trumpet for all to see.
How about if they didn't donate their money to anyone? At least they donate to
some one out of their own free will and choice, what difference does it make to
whom they donate?Just because they are rich doesn't make it an obligation
for anyone to donate, they don't have to give a penny. Now if they didn't
donate, you same people bashing the Huntsmans would bash them for not
donating... it's a lose lose situation!
I'm not saying all politicians are corrupt but it does bother me that those with
money have great ability to influence all politicians. Reminds me of a similar
situation where Napolean said:"When a government is dependent upon
bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the
situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes."- Napoleon
The big plan is coming together.
Makes sense. Huntsman Sr.'s main concern right now is cancer science. The
Republicans have gone to great lengths to become the anti-science party."How could a moral person give money to Harry Reid?"The
first step to political irrelevance is to refuse to recognize any morality in
those with whom you disagree politically.
And lets hope that none of you ever have to get treatment for cancer because you
of course would never want to go to the Huntsman Cancer centers- after all you
are all you don't want to be associated with such a terrible family name.
There are always bitter people, and many of them are found here on this forum.
How miserable their lives must be.
"No one, of course, is questioning..."WRONG! I am questioning. Isn't it an
odd coincidence that the Huntsman family donated a massive amount to elect
Obama, then -surprise, surprise- Jonny gets nominated to take the Obama plan to
the Chinese.This move may be good for Utah, to get rid of a Globalist
governor, but it does not bode well for the country as a whole, in the long run.
Some of us are nervous to have him over there negotiating in behalf of the
socialists currently in charge in America.
Democrats aren't devils. I believe several prominent members of your LDS church
were and are democrats, and 50+ years ago Utahn's in general were democrats. If
you think Republicans are going to heaven and democrats are going to hell, you
are insane and don't understand your scriptures! I believe the article said
that they gave to anybody interested in helping ride the world of cancer, what
is wrong with that cause, I would bet it is a lot better than a lot of the
reasons you contribute to candidates, and a better use of the money than many
other things.I am a Huntsman beliver.
were a billionaire and could easily afford to give the legal maximums to both
parties without even feeling a pinch. Why not play both sides of the table?
Who cares what the Huntsman Family does with there money. I think people are
just mad that they did not give it to them.... Have a great day in Utah
It was good to hear that the Huntsman family donates so generously to both
parties. Now if they would do us a big favor and spend a little money on
themselves. Please Jon, get rid of all those pink sweaters and sets of pearls
that your wife, Mary Kaye, wears constantly and get her some new outfits to
wear! If you need help, I'm sure the GOP would love to be a fashion consultant
and spend some money on a few outfits for her. Sound familiar?
The bile seems to flow deep with the posters on this story. Come to my office
and we'll talk about your pervasive dysfunction. In the mean time, the
Huntsman's amount to something and you, well, you just whine. Gotta
go, here comes my next client. He's a narcassistic mormon-hater, who has lost
three jobs in the last two years. His insurance run's out after the next few
visits then you know what happens, he takes his paranoia to the DNews comment
boards and bashes everyone who tries to do something good. Hopefully I can stem
that tide . . .
Good for them. You party before country people make me sick.
It is good to see Utah Mormons wising up to the fact that the Republican Party
is a dismal failure that has nearly destroyed our nation, while catering only to
a small plutocracy. Only the most ignorant would continue to be duped by this
crowd who only appease the top 1% of wage earners. That said, the
Democrats are not far behind in their corporate pandering. After 8 years of
tyrant Bush, and Obama continuing the same grab for power, we are effectively
doomed as a nation.
Charlie Rangel? One of the most corrupt politicians in US History? Wow!
Follow the money! And now you know, the rest of the story. (With apologies to
What say you Demos/libs that always paint Mormons with a broad brush. Maybe
Mormons are more free thinking than you give them credit for. They will always
vote their conscience. You, on the other hand have voted in the most tyranical
govt. in the history of the U.S.A.
I second CP's comments!
Is there really anyone who doubts that Huntsman's ambassador appointments are
really because of his personal talents? Clearly, the only reason for all this is
the money his family has given to politics.
I would be curious to see what Daddy paid for this latest fiascal. Just another
ploy of the rich scratching each other's backs. I hope his replacement will at
least do his job which was not getting done before!!
The article states, "No one, of course, is questioning whether Huntsman . . .
was nominated now as ambassador to China by Democratic President Barack Obama as
a reward for his family's donations to Democrats."That's not true.
Lots of people are questioning whether he was nominated simply because of his
father's contributions. That was the only reason he was named ambassador to
Singapore. It was common knowledge in Washington during the Bush years
(1988-1992) that one could have an ambassadorship by donating $250,000 to the
Republican Party.Furthermore, the political donations that this
article mentions are only those donations that are reportable. Many donations,
the so-called "soft money" donations made directly to the party, are not
reportable. I, for one, am certain that the only reason the Governor is on his
way to China is because of his father's donations to the Democratic Party. If
his father claims otherwise, he should make public all his political donations,
not just those that are reportable.
That is why the Huntsmans are where they're at. They're smart people who take a
strategic view of things and position themselves to take full advantage both in
business and politics. But no one can say that Jr. isn't qualified -- he's
eminently qualified to be Chinese Ambassador -- with his diplomatic experience
already, his exectuive experience, his business experience, and his integrity.
Obama was smart to ask him to take the position. But Huntsman will benefit the
most -- he can always quit and run for President at time of his choosing, and
already have experience in all areas -- businsess, governor, ambassador... etc.
the only shortfall I see is lack of military experience, but then both Clinton
and Obama have demonstrated that isn't a show stopper anymore.
Question??If Jon Jr. and Mitt Romney both end up in the GOP primary, were
would Jon Sr. be throwing his support including his $$$$.
"No one, of course, is questioning whether Huntsman, a two-time ambassador and a
Republican Utah governor who speaks Mandarin, was nominated now as ambassador to
China by Democratic President Barack Obama as a reward for his family's
donations to Democrats."You didn't learn that long drawn out writing
style in journalism school. Doesn't your editor know that the average DesNews
reader needs short words and sentences? Sheesh, come on man.
Good riddance to the Huntsman family.
Their blessings will dry up if they keep giving money to democrats.
Business interest or not how could a moral person give money to Harry Reid?
I am so sorry to hear they donated to Harry Reid. What an embarrassment.
You people don't like anyone or anything
Self interest, this is simple self interest. People buy what they
need. The huntsmans are no different. THey pay what they can for
Very normal behavior: the rich give to both sides to cover their bets. Even
our local banker does it.
This is just terrible. Giving money to the liberals.
Well, I for one am happy for Huntsman Jr. to be going to China. That way Utah
can get a governor who really cares about UTAH and it's people and make time for
us in their schedules. So he got what he wanted now maybe UTAH can get what we
want...a governor who cares! So pack your bags Huntsman Jr and family and fly
away! I won't miss him!