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KBYU may lose its PBS affiliation
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In fairness | 11:13 a.m. May 19, 2009
If we must exclude any hint of religion from taxpayer funded television, then we
should eliminate taxpayer funded television altogether.
Standards | 11:24 a.m. May 19, 2009
In 1957 the US Supreme Court attempted to define obscenity by the local
community standard. In other words, what is obscene in San Francisco is
different than the definition of obscene in Spanish Fork.
So if PBS serves the community interest it ought to allow local programming that fits the local needs.
Utah County and Central Utah obviously comprise an LDS viewing area.
KBYU can continue to exist, subject to FCC licensing, without PBS entanglements. That is for the church to decide.
Now, if the FCC blocks a license, then we can all get indignant with the feds.
KBYU was meeting a local need. PBS doesn't see it that way.
So if PBS serves the community interest it ought to allow local programming that fits the local needs.
Utah County and Central Utah obviously comprise an LDS viewing area.
KBYU can continue to exist, subject to FCC licensing, without PBS entanglements. That is for the church to decide.
Now, if the FCC blocks a license, then we can all get indignant with the feds.
KBYU was meeting a local need. PBS doesn't see it that way.
The Lonely Guy | 11:27 a.m. May 19, 2009
I like to call the pledge drives just to see if I can get someone famous to talk
to me. They say "Hello", and I say "Hello" back, then I ask
them what kind of food they are serving, what kind of car they drive, how many
children they have, what books they have read? etc. I never donate though,
because by then we are too good of friends, and I never mix business with
pleasure.
It's really the only time I can get someone to sit down and talk on the phone. Then I call and tell my friend Bob, and he laughs, then we hang up. We talk about twice a year.
It's really the only time I can get someone to sit down and talk on the phone. Then I call and tell my friend Bob, and he laughs, then we hang up. We talk about twice a year.
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Establishment clause | 11:47 a.m. May 19, 2009
Can you provide any evidence that PBS funds the 4 hours of religious
programming? Seems more like the pledge drives provide that funding. Also
interesting that the most successful pledge drive ever for PBS was on the back
of an LDS history piece.
Carl | 11:54 a.m. May 19, 2009
Nationally, PBS has shown some documentaries on the LDS church. This has played
in a lot wider region than Utah. They do it when they want funding from the LDS
people. Now, they will not have it.
utah rose | 12:02 p.m. May 19, 2009
I'm not LDS but I have no objection to the religious programming, but DO
object to the LIBERAL PROGRAMMING one-slanted view that many of the other
programs project, such as the News hour, the POV programs and others.
The only time there's decent programming is when there's a fund drive.
It's time for us to object for our taxes to support this and let PBS fly by its own
This is another instance of liberals trying to eliminate religion in our lives..
The only time there's decent programming is when there's a fund drive.
It's time for us to object for our taxes to support this and let PBS fly by its own
This is another instance of liberals trying to eliminate religion in our lives..
Sean | 12:22 p.m. May 19, 2009
Okay, I did not read through all of the comments so I apologize if this has
already been pointed out. Almost all PBS shows have a "commercial".
What about "This Old House would not be possible without a generous grant
from the Home Depot". I call that a commercial.
logical | 12:22 p.m. May 19, 2009
I am out of Utah. Our PBS station is neutral and wonderful. BYU should get off
the air of PBS. They have the money, yours, to do it... so do it.
Good grief you can't complain about PBS and then use their airwaves to broadcast your shows.
PBS excellent. It leaves religions out.
Good grief you can't complain about PBS and then use their airwaves to broadcast your shows.
PBS excellent. It leaves religions out.
Anonymous | 12:24 p.m. May 19, 2009
Utah Rose,
The News Hour? Liberal? Are you kidding? That is the last truly balanced news program left!
Many of the documentaries about the LDS Church and its history were produced by KUED and other affiliates. In fact, I don't think KBYU has EVER produced a decent documentary about the Church. And documentaries are not the issue. It is religious programming (like devotionals) that PBS is wondering about.
I think that an affiliate should just show that federal money is NOT used to pay for overtly religious programming. Then let them be.
The News Hour? Liberal? Are you kidding? That is the last truly balanced news program left!
Many of the documentaries about the LDS Church and its history were produced by KUED and other affiliates. In fact, I don't think KBYU has EVER produced a decent documentary about the Church. And documentaries are not the issue. It is religious programming (like devotionals) that PBS is wondering about.
I think that an affiliate should just show that federal money is NOT used to pay for overtly religious programming. Then let them be.
Jay | 12:31 p.m. May 19, 2009
Ditto to that - "Good Riddance to PBS". Who needs them. The only shows
I watch on KBYU are the religious ones.
Lemonuel | 12:38 p.m. May 19, 2009
The Lemon test was set forth in 1971 by the U.S. Supreme Court to enable
suppression of nearly all public recognition of religion with an enormously
expanded interpretation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971). The test requires that all federal and
state laws (1) have a secular purpose, (2) a primary effect that neither
advances nor inhibits religion, and (3) no excessive government entanglement
with religion. If any law violates any part of this three-pronged test, then it
will be stricken by the courts and declared unconstitutional.
Does KBYU's program fit the Lemon Test? Probably not. That's why they are going to lose PBS status.
Does KBYU's program fit the Lemon Test? Probably not. That's why they are going to lose PBS status.
Obama Republican | 12:51 p.m. May 19, 2009
Yes please get rid of PBS! Especially Sesame Street, it is terrible, all that
getting along with folks of different skin colors.
What about Oscar? He lives is a garbage can, No One ever is homeless in our country! Then you have Ernie and Bert, sleeping in the same bedroom for all these years. Think of the children!
3 kids doing the same thing and 1 doing his own? What is going on here people, the left is brain washing our kids...
There has to be a notorious meaning to Big Bird. Someone please help me find the conspiracy? Please.......
What about Oscar? He lives is a garbage can, No One ever is homeless in our country! Then you have Ernie and Bert, sleeping in the same bedroom for all these years. Think of the children!
3 kids doing the same thing and 1 doing his own? What is going on here people, the left is brain washing our kids...
There has to be a notorious meaning to Big Bird. Someone please help me find the conspiracy? Please.......
Anonymous | 1:02 p.m. May 19, 2009
I like the Lemon test. That is a good decision. Thank you for sharing that.
Evil lurks in PBS | 1:10 p.m. May 19, 2009
Clearly Bob the Builder is evil. He's obviously an evil soothsayer... How
dare he try to scry the future by saying he CAN fix it!? Sheesh...
Oh and KBYU has rather wide distribution thanks to PBS, such that folks who use DirectTV for example can access it either on west or east coast... It would be a serious blow to KBYU to lose this means of distribution.
Oh and KBYU has rather wide distribution thanks to PBS, such that folks who use DirectTV for example can access it either on west or east coast... It would be a serious blow to KBYU to lose this means of distribution.
Obama Republican | 1:27 p.m. May 19, 2009
I know in some dark room or star chamber the liberals have thought up the
sinister ELMO and ZOE. You know the plan was to put a Tickle ME Elmo in every
house in the nation. I am not sure why yet but I will find out!
John Pack Lambert | 2:02 p.m. May 19, 2009
To Mr. Lucas at 8:41,
Why is it not ok for public funding to be used for religious programming, when it is used all the time to denigrate and desectrate religions?
Why is it not ok for public funding to be used for religious programming, when it is used all the time to denigrate and desectrate religions?
John Pack Lambert | 2:10 p.m. May 19, 2009
I 100% disagree with the 11:34 commentator. With the way the Obama
administration has used PBS to further its secularist crusade, I wish that Bush
and friends had wiped it out when they had a chance and lessened the power that
later liberals would have to fight the expression of religion in the public
realm.
As I have said, anyone who thinks this is a Utah-specific issue is far too narrow minded and has to broaden their perspective.
The only Utah specificity in this is the secularist really believing the 1st admendment can possibly be on their side. If in fact KBYU has ever recieved federal funding to create programs it was only incidentally influenced by their being a PBS-affiliate. Of course with the sacrilieous, mixing religious symbols and dung, outright war on religion being funded by the NEA I have advocated its abolition from the day I first learned it existed.
As I have said, anyone who thinks this is a Utah-specific issue is far too narrow minded and has to broaden their perspective.
The only Utah specificity in this is the secularist really believing the 1st admendment can possibly be on their side. If in fact KBYU has ever recieved federal funding to create programs it was only incidentally influenced by their being a PBS-affiliate. Of course with the sacrilieous, mixing religious symbols and dung, outright war on religion being funded by the NEA I have advocated its abolition from the day I first learned it existed.
Bob | 2:17 p.m. May 19, 2009
To John Pack Lambert | 2:02 p.m. May 19, 2009
"Why is it not ok for public funding to be used for religious programming, when it is used all the time to denigrate and desectrate religions?"
Wow, I expected much more from you, John. This is quite petty and superficial, isn't it?
First of all, can you be specific as to what you are referring to when you say public funding is being used all the time to "denigrate and desecrate religions"? Are you referring to NSF (National Science Foundation) grants that are used to advance science, which tends to refute religious claims on a regular basis? If so, that is not the fault of science or public funding. That is the fault of religion for putting forward such absurd fictions in the first place. Just because our country has a general toleration for religions does not mean that we won't fund scientific pursuit of TRUTH, and if that makes the lies and fictions of religion look badly, then so be it! No sense whining that your right to believe in FICTION and FALSEHOOD is being denied by publically funded research!
"Why is it not ok for public funding to be used for religious programming, when it is used all the time to denigrate and desectrate religions?"
Wow, I expected much more from you, John. This is quite petty and superficial, isn't it?
First of all, can you be specific as to what you are referring to when you say public funding is being used all the time to "denigrate and desecrate religions"? Are you referring to NSF (National Science Foundation) grants that are used to advance science, which tends to refute religious claims on a regular basis? If so, that is not the fault of science or public funding. That is the fault of religion for putting forward such absurd fictions in the first place. Just because our country has a general toleration for religions does not mean that we won't fund scientific pursuit of TRUTH, and if that makes the lies and fictions of religion look badly, then so be it! No sense whining that your right to believe in FICTION and FALSEHOOD is being denied by publically funded research!
John Pack Lambert | 2:17 p.m. May 19, 2009
To the 7:20 commentator,
It is not an issue of funding but programing. What KBYU gets from PBS is programs, not money. Of course, with the emergence of BYU TV over the last eight or nine years, an ability to end KBYU entirely may have emerged.
I am not convinced a severance of KBYU from PBS would be a bad thing, but I do firmly believe that this rule is built to perpetuate the exclusion of religion from the public shpere which is a bad thing.
It is not an issue of funding but programing. What KBYU gets from PBS is programs, not money. Of course, with the emergence of BYU TV over the last eight or nine years, an ability to end KBYU entirely may have emerged.
I am not convinced a severance of KBYU from PBS would be a bad thing, but I do firmly believe that this rule is built to perpetuate the exclusion of religion from the public shpere which is a bad thing.
Anonymous | 2:22 p.m. May 19, 2009
To John Pack Lambert,
Do you honestly think you are somebody worth listening to?
Do you honestly think you are somebody worth listening to?
John Pack Lambert | 2:24 p.m. May 19, 2009
To Frank at 9:30,
The problem is that the Deseret News too often writes stories so they hit the Utah element, and people do not look broader or think deeper.
While at some level there may be anger against religious people over Prop 8, the decisions of PBS will effect affiliates all across the country who air a variety of religious programs. KBYU is not the only station being effected.
The problem is that the Deseret News too often writes stories so they hit the Utah element, and people do not look broader or think deeper.
While at some level there may be anger against religious people over Prop 8, the decisions of PBS will effect affiliates all across the country who air a variety of religious programs. KBYU is not the only station being effected.
FACTS | 2:31 p.m. May 19, 2009
Replace religous programming which is obviously very harmful to society with
"enlightened" programs such as "Heather has two mommies" and
"Capitalism, the great curse of the civilized world" and KBYU would
not only keep its PBS affiliation but receive numerous awards and an increase
its public funding.
KBYU officials should lose at least one millisecond of sleep over this then move on.
KBYU officials should lose at least one millisecond of sleep over this then move on.
John Pack Lambert | 2:32 p.m. May 19, 2009
To the 2:17 commentator,
I can name several times when NEA funds have been used for things like presentations involving putting crucifixes in dung. There is no question from anyone who knows what the National Endownment for the Arts has done that it has been used to denigrate and attack religion.
I can name several times when NEA funds have been used for things like presentations involving putting crucifixes in dung. There is no question from anyone who knows what the National Endownment for the Arts has done that it has been used to denigrate and attack religion.
Obama Republican | 2:50 p.m. May 19, 2009
The Lefties are coming the Lefties are coming... Hide your children! They are
going to take over the world putting propaganda on PBS. We have to stop it now!
Freda | 3:10 p.m. May 19, 2009
But none of these cases was the same as the KBYU case. In this case, KBYU is not
an INDIVIDUAL, but a Church-owned institution. Individuals have the right to
freedom of speech, but institutions do not have the same rights as individuals.
Public moneys may be used to support individuals who are "not perfect"
- I would go out on a limb and say that most of the individuals who receive
public funding are not perfect. But especially when it comes to the arts, which
is all about individual expression and esoteric experience, individuals may
express themselves in ways you either don't understand, or find offensive.
But the government is obligated NOT to fund INSTITUTIONS whose sole purpose is
subversive to the nation, or establishes a particular religion (which is an
institution as well). To put it another way, the NEA was not funding
anti-religious art; they were just funding art, and each individual expressed
their own interpretation. To put KBYU on comparable terms, if LDS individuals
wanted government funding to express their religious beliefs, they can be
considered for NEA grants as well. But KBYU cannot take public money and advance
their religion.
Make sense?
Make sense?
DJ | 4:09 p.m. May 19, 2009
I live in AZ and I get PBS on channel 8 in Phoenix. I will not support it any
more if they feel like they can't leave KBYU alone.
Why Use Taxpayer Money? | 4:38 p.m. May 19, 2009
Why are taxpayers funding television at all? There is plenty of money out there
for lots and lots of television. Taxpayer money should be used for more
essential services than entertainment.
Jon B. Holbrook | 5:46 p.m. May 19, 2009
The Government giveth and the Government taketh away. Whenever you take money
from the Government, it comes with strings attached. Just ask GM or the
financial institutions that have taken the government bailouts. The Obama
Administration is hostile to religious programmers, especially if they oppose
his agenda. The LDS Church has been blacklisted by the Obama Administration
since it opposes same-sex marriage. Its payback time! You agree with Obama or
else.
I enjoy the programming on KBYU-TV. I contribute to the station during the fund drives. Do not compromise the LDS programming standards in anyway, even if KBYU-TV has to dissolove its association with PBS.
I enjoy the programming on KBYU-TV. I contribute to the station during the fund drives. Do not compromise the LDS programming standards in anyway, even if KBYU-TV has to dissolove its association with PBS.
And I've wondered | 6:19 p.m. May 19, 2009
why the outside world think Mormons are weird.. its postings like a lot of the
ones above that make you (Mormons) appear to be idiots and bigots -- and then
there are the anti Mormon fools--- why do you saps even care???
I travel a lot and the first question I am ALWAYS asked is about how many wives I have and then how I can stand to live with such non- Christian wanna beees.. you don't have a good name folks--- and it's the things you have posted above that feed the flames-- ever heard of LOVE ON ANOTHER??? JUDGE NOT- AS YE JUDGE YE SHALL BE JUDGED???
If you want to be accepted, practice what you teach- Utah and Washington Counties are especially bad--- lots of talk but no practice on the talk...
I travel a lot and the first question I am ALWAYS asked is about how many wives I have and then how I can stand to live with such non- Christian wanna beees.. you don't have a good name folks--- and it's the things you have posted above that feed the flames-- ever heard of LOVE ON ANOTHER??? JUDGE NOT- AS YE JUDGE YE SHALL BE JUDGED???
If you want to be accepted, practice what you teach- Utah and Washington Counties are especially bad--- lots of talk but no practice on the talk...
Ask yourself: So What? | 7:06 p.m. May 19, 2009
Getting rid of PBS would be a blessing in disguise--maybe not even in disguise.
Just a blessing. PBS is a propaganda tool of the Progressives and moral
relativists who are financing their agenda with our money, which progressives
are so good at. Using other people's money to fund their whacky ideas.
Today PBS, tomorrow the Boy Scouts of America. All they do is suck money like a
black hole from church members. I know the Brethren could come up with a much
better program for our young men that would be Priesthood based at a fraction
of what it costs the Church and it's members to prop up the BSA. Guess I
will go to hell for saying that. Right?
Does it Matter? | 8:43 p.m. May 19, 2009
I don't live in Utah, but my folks do. There are enough PBS affiliates to
serve the Utah populace without KBYU. I would recommend that KBYU and BYU-TV
merge a lot of their programming, perhaps focusing the PBS affiliate monies on
developing original LDS Sitcoms and Family Dramas with an LDS theme or backdrop.
Also, since I do get BYU-TV here in So Cal I would like to see the KBYU sports
broadcasts that BYU-TV don't air.
I see this as a wonderful opportunity to produce better programs.
I see this as a wonderful opportunity to produce better programs.
JW Morrison | 8:56 p.m. May 19, 2009
I would not worry if KBYU was not part of the PBS system, in fact, I don't
think that taxpayers should have to support PBS anymore anyway.
Anon. | 1:28 a.m. May 20, 2009
To all those claiming 'liberal bias:'
A survey commissioned by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) in 2003 found that a plurality of Americans find no political bias in PBS or National Public Radio (NPR).
According to CPB, the survey found that "approximately one-in-five detect a liberal bias and approximately one-in-ten detect a conservative bias."
Turns out that claims of liberal bias are conservative misinformation about public broadcasting.
A survey commissioned by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) in 2003 found that a plurality of Americans find no political bias in PBS or National Public Radio (NPR).
According to CPB, the survey found that "approximately one-in-five detect a liberal bias and approximately one-in-ten detect a conservative bias."
Turns out that claims of liberal bias are conservative misinformation about public broadcasting.
Obama Republican | 10:50 a.m. May 20, 2009
Come on people, what about Mr. Rogers? You can't see the liberal bias in
that show. Some old dude with a puppet, playing with trains and hanging with
King Friday! He took his shoes off every episode and put on sneakers who does
that?
We are talking serious liberal propaganda here!
We are talking serious liberal propaganda here!
John Pack Lambert | 12:12 a.m. May 21, 2009
I for one am pleased that KBYU may lose their PBS affiliation. Public supported
radio stations seem kind of socialist to me.
Anonymous | 7:55 a.m. May 21, 2009
"Left wing leaning PBS" LOL!!! The right wing crowd might be happier
with Fascist Daily programming. Or maybe some good old fashioned North Korean
programming where varying ideas are snuffed out. Don't be so afraid of
ideas from all quarters. For the LDS crowd, it's part of the religion to
gather information, knowledge and ideas from diverse sources. I hope PBS stays,
but it interesting that BYU is part of an enterprise so dependent on taxpayer
funds. It creates an interesting conflict.
David | 8:06 a.m. May 21, 2009
To John Pack Lambert,
"I for one am pleased that KBYU may lose their PBS affiliation. Public supported radio stations seem kind of socialist to me."
That is because you are an uneducated, ignorant fool who has no clue what socialism is.
But you sure do have way too much confidence in your own opinions!
"I for one am pleased that KBYU may lose their PBS affiliation. Public supported radio stations seem kind of socialist to me."
That is because you are an uneducated, ignorant fool who has no clue what socialism is.
But you sure do have way too much confidence in your own opinions!
Cosmo | 11:32 a.m. May 21, 2009
We told PBS to stop sending their catalog to our home, in that we will not
support them in anyway possible.
Where can i watch.... | 11:54 a.m. May 21, 2009
My favorite episodes of Hooked on Aerobics? The finest execise programming
around...IMHO.
james stowe | 3:26 p.m. May 21, 2009
keep lds off the air anyway we can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To Cosmo | 6:02 p.m. May 21, 2009
Big Whoop! Think anyone will notice?
Re; James Stowe | 11:58 p.m. May 21, 2009
Change the channel, James.
First Amendment. Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech.
Just change the channel.
First Amendment. Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech.
Just change the channel.
Re; Obama Republican | 11:58 p.m. May 21, 2009
Please stop pretending to be a Republican. You're not fooling anyone.
Drop PBS | 12:01 a.m. May 22, 2009
Who needs PBS? It's a waste of taxpayer money anyway. PBS needs KBYU more
than KBYU needs PBS - in Utah at least.
Frankly, it wouldn't bother me at all if PBS went away. Someone else could pick up Sesame Street, etc.
There is no need for PBS
Frankly, it wouldn't bother me at all if PBS went away. Someone else could pick up Sesame Street, etc.
There is no need for PBS
IndyMeg | 8:28 a.m. May 22, 2009
When my kids were young all I let them watch was PBSKids. No annoying
commercials, questionable shows or inappropriate content. Now, my husband and I
love to watch Masterpiece Theatre, This Old House, old reruns of the mystery
shows i.e. Sherlock Holmes, Poirot, Miss Marple. Any of the other (obvious)
liberal programming we just turn off the TV. Where would I get all the good
stuff without PBS?
Re: David | 8:33 a.m. May 22, 2009
Explain to us "enlightened one" what socialism is.
Since you threw the gauntlet down back it up to prove that you are not an ignorant fool.
Since you threw the gauntlet down back it up to prove that you are not an ignorant fool.
kUt | 10:02 a.m. May 22, 2009
PBS has a lot more to offer than KBYU. PBS programing is educational. And God
knows Utahns need more education than superstition.
Obama Republican | 11:31 a.m. May 22, 2009
@11:58
If being Republican means I have to agree and try to defend 8 years of stupidity which has left our country in the worst financial mess of a generation? I guess I am not a republican!
If being a Republican means I have to belittle and degrade people from Mexico and South America, because they come to the US for a better life for their family? I guess I am not a republican!
If being Republican means we have to swallow as Gospel all words from the CIA, FBI, or Military? I guess I am not a republican!
If being Republican means we need to build bombs, guns and level destruction, for so called National Security? I guess I am not!
I Guess you caught me! I watched way to much Sesame Street, Electric Company, and Mr. Rogers as a kid. I must have learned that Peace and Love can really exist in this world! We just spend way to much time and money to insure they never do!
If being Republican means I have to agree and try to defend 8 years of stupidity which has left our country in the worst financial mess of a generation? I guess I am not a republican!
If being a Republican means I have to belittle and degrade people from Mexico and South America, because they come to the US for a better life for their family? I guess I am not a republican!
If being Republican means we have to swallow as Gospel all words from the CIA, FBI, or Military? I guess I am not a republican!
If being Republican means we need to build bombs, guns and level destruction, for so called National Security? I guess I am not!
I Guess you caught me! I watched way to much Sesame Street, Electric Company, and Mr. Rogers as a kid. I must have learned that Peace and Love can really exist in this world! We just spend way to much time and money to insure they never do!
Not from Utah | 1:28 p.m. May 22, 2009
First, I think a few folks have been confusing KBYU with BYUTV. BYUTV is
available through Dish and DirecTV. KBYU is a local (PBS) station in Utah. So,
the person above who credited PBS with giving "KBYU" wide distribution
to the east and west coasts was mistaken.
With BYUTV so widely available, I am having a hard time seeing the loss in PBS affiliation for as a bad thing for BYU programming in general. Perhaps it is because I am not from Utah, but the main benefit KBYU brings as compared to BYUTV is the local free programming option, and perhaps some student job experience managing the programming.
Am I wrong?
With BYUTV so widely available, I am having a hard time seeing the loss in PBS affiliation for as a bad thing for BYU programming in general. Perhaps it is because I am not from Utah, but the main benefit KBYU brings as compared to BYUTV is the local free programming option, and perhaps some student job experience managing the programming.
Am I wrong?
Re: Obama Republican | 5:37 p.m. May 22, 2009
Well, you just proved my point that you are not now, and have probably never
been a Republican.
I'll tell you what it means to be a REAL Republican:
It means being more ticked off about 9/11 than Gitmo, waterboarding or the Iraq War
It means putting America and our interests FIRST - instead of blaming us first
It means working your tail end off and expecting the same from everyone else
It means fighting to protect our interests and that means someone is probably going to be unhappy with us - so be it
It means expecting our allies to hold up their end of the deal - we need friends not parasites who want to mooch off of us and criticize us behind our backs
It means accepting responsibility - the financial mess we're in is the Republicans AND Democrats fault (see Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank if you doubt me)
It means taking a cynical approach to the news media and not just buying everything the overpaid airheads (Couric, Brokaw, etc - hardly moderates) are saying
It means not giving a rip what bozos like Alec Baldwin and Sarah Jessica Parker think
I'm proud to be a Republican!
I'll tell you what it means to be a REAL Republican:
It means being more ticked off about 9/11 than Gitmo, waterboarding or the Iraq War
It means putting America and our interests FIRST - instead of blaming us first
It means working your tail end off and expecting the same from everyone else
It means fighting to protect our interests and that means someone is probably going to be unhappy with us - so be it
It means expecting our allies to hold up their end of the deal - we need friends not parasites who want to mooch off of us and criticize us behind our backs
It means accepting responsibility - the financial mess we're in is the Republicans AND Democrats fault (see Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank if you doubt me)
It means taking a cynical approach to the news media and not just buying everything the overpaid airheads (Couric, Brokaw, etc - hardly moderates) are saying
It means not giving a rip what bozos like Alec Baldwin and Sarah Jessica Parker think
I'm proud to be a Republican!
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- BYU says Hall incident resolved238
- 2 citations issued at Y.-U. game161
- BYU is champion of the state143
- Religion in politics is tiresome129
My husband was teaching his 6th-grade class in Salt Lake last year when...
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so sorry to hear this terrible news..much sincer condolences to the her family.
Time for him to go. PAST time for him to go.
After reading many comments posted on several stories since the incident...
Hey, I was at that Pres. Holland devotional, too. It was the year after the...
Sometimes when we loose we win, but not in this case. Want a future?...
First Meeting Utah, 12—4 (1896) Last Meeting BYU,...
Max Hall's only mistake was hating the sinner instead of the sin. He...
Kind of refreshing isn't it, Lee.
I voted for Morgan for Vice Chair, and I think he would still be worth voting...
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