Comments about ‘BYU basketball: Y. signs transfer, cuts Pinegar’

Don't do it!

It is rare that a scholarshiped player is cut. But in reality a scholarship is only a year-to-year commitment. Just as a player can say no thanks, quit the team and move on, so can the school. BYU has had situations in which severing ties appeared pretty mutual. Bad behavior or poor grades is one thing but when a player is a good kid, working hard, but clearly won't contribute (like in this case) it can be a bit tougher. In this situation it appears Pinegar would have initially at least preferred to stay with the team so I'm sure it wasn't the easiest conversation.

Whenever this happens at Utah, there are many grumblings in the comments about loyalty, etc. Maybe Cougars can now accept that this is just how it is. Sometimes you give a guy a schollie and he turns out to not really deserve it. You have to take it back for the good of the team.

Do It!

Sure it is a pain... but it will open a lot of doors, especially someone with an accounting background.

sports is a system of luck (except for the BSC of course). injuries are tough to get around. i am sure BYU is doing what it can to help this young man out with his schooling. i suspect there are rules to abide by and the school has to provide some sort of support. it is NOT a two way street. schools have to be much more loyal to student athletes than athletes are to schools.

Who's to say this kid didn't deserve this scholarship- he had an injury that affected his play. Seems to me with a scholarship left and the offer to a so-so JC player, Rose could have given him the next year to see how it went

When a scholarship athlete is cut, he is cut- there is no further support given. Even if it is an injury caused by training or play, all financial help is gone.

why can't this coach get recruits taller than 6'6"? Haven't you figured out yet that 6 6 guys cannot bang with the big teams in rebounding? That 6 6 guys falter in three point shooting in the big games? Just another year down the drain. too bad!!

This school and their religious beliefs are no different than any other school or religion, they just want all of us to think they are. It's all about money, the same ole thing that drives the rest of the thieves, crooks, liars, and big business. That thing is GREED!

Yep, a guy wants to go to a different local team even though his team just did awesome. Yes, he is such a greedy person, and so are the schools involved. You're right sir, going to a different school is greedy. My what values your kids must have.

It is one thing if all the scholarships were taken and BYU was in danger of losing some potentially good recruits. But in this situation BYU just gave a scholarship to a JC kid who's next best option was Westminister and they still have a free one open. This was clearly a situation where Rose just felt Pinegar was not good enough to be a D-1 player. Good luck to him in Law School but he may regret not playing at a lower division school. You can always go to Law School later but only have a small window to play college ball.

We have a chance to consider Dave Rose as a coach and leader...and question whether or not his priorities are in line with those of the church and university. The Pinegar issue aside, Rose's player personnel decisions over time imply to us that players' character, integrity matter little when up against demands of competition against the nation's better teams. He walks a thin line, recruiting and playing anyone with a pedigree regardless of strength of character (or willingness to serve missions), while passing up talented young men who really live the values espoused by the University. It's ironic that a university like BYU, that publicly espouses the importance of high personal standards, seems to lack players that have the character, integrity and mental toughness that is required to win. We see an out-sized, undermanned, young Air Force team nearly beat BYU twice when it mattered most...(need we mention that BYU can't keep a lead in big games to win). Is it athleticism and talent or character and integrity that wins games? Has the BYU administration and Coach Rose forgotten the lessons learned from Helaman and his stripling warriors?

What are you talking about? I fail to see any valid points or anything but vindictive venting in your post. Next time try to have at least a little relevance to the subject at hand.

A scholarship is given to qualified individuals who can make a contribution. It is not a guarantee, nor should it be expected. Pinegar's father does well enough financially to help him, even though his grandfather "Brother Ed," will bellyache, just like he did when his son didn't get a scholarship to play at BYU and chose USU. So what did "Brother Ed" chose to do when he played...........?

I thought Pinegar was a walk-on. Wasn't he originally a walk-on? Any way no big deal. And Magnusson was the 5th best player on his junior college team. I saw some of thier games and thought he got too much playing time at SLCC. One game I saw he didn't score and another one he had 3 points. Will he have any impact at BYU? Probably not.

Rose gave Archie a 4 yr scholarship as a favor to an old playing buddy who did not represent the schools values, but a kid who gave 2 yrs to the program, one on his nickel, can't be given one more year to see if he can come back from an injury due to training? Great leadership coach!

"Rose's player personnel decisions over time imply to us that players' character, integrity matter little when up against demands of competition against the nation's better teams"

What you are saying is that the young men that play for Rose (personnel) do not have character or integrity? you can't have it both ways and you are making little to no sense.

Since when did ones quest for perfection or a championship suddenly become known as GREEDY???

You Obummers need to get a life! And a JOB!

Matt,
Your making the right decision. I know several former athletes who are still scrambling to finish their schooling and get on with life. a few of these kids had a hard time with their grades while playing college athletics and it hurt them trying to get into other Schools for advanced degrees. Some whished they would have done what you have decided looking back on it now. Don't get me wrong, I love sports and participated and encourage youth to play sports but sooner or later young men and parents get a dose of reality that they or their son is not going to be a pro athlete. Like the NCAA commercial states most student-athletes will be going pro in something other than Sports. Good Luck, and go make a few million with your Law degree.

Mr Obvious and the "Mormon Way",
Your claims are ridiculous. I would not consider wanting to be successful "greedy", and there are more high character guys on BYUs squad than you can shake a stick at. I know many of these players and their character. You both are dead wrong. Please vent your bitterness somewhere else. No one in there right mind would hold on to a player that can't play. It has nothing to do with religion or character.