In our opinion: Flu doesn't respect borders


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  • EJ
    Sept. 18, 2009 9:47 p.m.

    Borders;Language;Culture defines a nation. Period.

  • Surprised
    May 5, 2009 7:28 a.m.

    Personally, I think that illegal immigration is wrong. It is wrong. It is wrong no matter how you slice it. However, I don't think that stereotyping anyone is right. I think this article is liberal and biased and definitely not middle of the road. I am surprised that more individuals haven't mentioned that. This is yet another ploy to twist something... Considering that more than HALF of the cases have been reported in Mexico, that it originated in Mexico, and that all but 1 death has been in Mexico, it is pretty safe to say that we should be careful about people traveling to and from MEXICO. This means people of all nationalities INCLUDING MEXICANS.

  • Henry
    May 4, 2009 7:52 p.m.

    I enjoy the Deseret News. Many of the respondents to articles are fairly civil on both sides. I very seldom bother with the Tribune any more. The posts their are to full of hate. If you want to enjoy a real decent Hate fest go check out the letter to the editor today that combines both illegal immigration and the LDS Church. The readers their will not even let the individuals who make a compassionate comment openly display their opinions.

  • Re: Immigration neither good ...
    May 4, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    Funny you should bring up those points. Which Native American language did your ancestors adopt? Just how did they carry their own load? (Remeber Plymouth Rock? The Indians taught them how to live off the land and saved their bacon that first year.) I'm sure they adopted the customs of the land they chose; that's why you live in a tipi and wear leather moccasins that your wife hand-crafted for you from skins of buffalo that you personally killed with your bow and arrow.

    Since you're no hypocrite, kindly return to whichever European country your ancestors left in order to transform this nation into something utterly different than it was before they arrived.

    P.S. I wish you all the best.

  • clearing the air
    May 4, 2009 4:51 p.m.

    It might clear the air if we just had a list of all the Des News writers and their political affiliations. It would also be useful if there were a byline on editorials. It would be enlightening to know just who is opining what.

  • How would they have felt?
    May 4, 2009 4:31 p.m.

    I wonder how the real minutemen in the early days of our country would have felt about these people taking their name and calling themselves patriots.

  • re "Patriot "| 12:46 a.m.
    May 4, 2009 4:20 p.m.

    why is the desnews "supposed" to be a conservative newspaper?

    Why not middle of the road?

    Why not liberal?

    I am a patriot, am I supposed to be conservative too?

  • Dnews fan
    May 4, 2009 4:08 p.m.

    Kudos to you for a well-reasoned editorial.

  • RE: Tom
    May 4, 2009 3:26 p.m.

    Laws work fine if enforced.

    Reform is the cry of lawbreakers who want the law changed to accommodate them with amnesty.

    It didn't work in 1986, it won't work now. It will just invite a new invasion looking for the next amnesty.

  • In an attempt
    May 4, 2009 2:32 p.m.

    . . . to bring the discussion back to reality -- the CDC currently recognizes 2 categorical risk factors: (1) Recent travel to Mexico, and (2) Contact with someone in category (1).

    Why minmize the risk? Mexico IS the risk factor.

  • Who is using the flu
    May 4, 2009 12:43 p.m.

    for their own agenda? This is a sampling of articles across the nation. Rally numbers have dramatically dropped, and La Raza is blaming the flu for the poor turn out. These events were coordinated in major cities throughout the U.S. And like Utah, the thousands have become a couple of hundred, at best.

    Flu overshadows rally for reforms
    By Aaron Falk
    Deseret News
    Published: Friday, May 1, 2009 11:28 p.m. MDT

    'Turnout at Friday's rally was smaller than some had hoped, and Yapias blamed it on fear surrounding the current swine-flu outbreak.'

    Swine Flu Outbreak Affects Immigration Reform Rally Attendance
    Friday, May 01, 2009
    By Laura Wides-Munoz, Associated Press
    Miami (AP) - Immigrants and their families began gathering at rallies across the country Friday to push for changes to U.S. immigration policy, but as a swine flu outbreak continued to spread, attendance at some events was smaller than what organizers had hoped.

    H1N1 Looms Over Immigration Rallies - CBS News

    Swine Flu Could Depress May Day Immigration Rallies | NBC New York

  • Rich
    May 4, 2009 11:52 a.m.

    I'm all for legal immigration. I'm also for issuing temporary work cards to anyone who wants one unless we find out that person is a felon. But before issuing work cards we should pass a constitutional amendment that a child of illegal immigrants is not considered a citizen of the United States. Illegal immigrants should be forced to work in prison camps for six months and then deported.

  • Not true about china
    May 4, 2009 11:04 a.m.

    China has 1 confirmed case and 300 people have been quarantined based on that one confirmed case alone. They learned their lesson a few years back and paid the price for not being more proactive during an outbreak of avian flu which hit Asia hard. The countries that got hit back then are taking this very seriously. We're not and outside of Mexico the US by far is the worst off. I suppose we'll learn our lesson the hard way too. We were neck and neck with New Zealand a couple of days ago. They've taken it seriously and have quarantined almost 400 people. Now we've got 3 times as many cases as they do.

  • Third rejection today
    May 4, 2009 11:01 a.m.

    My post on this subject is the third post I have had rejected today.

    I wish to say that borders are not respected all by themselves. Law and normal controls bring respect for borders by individuals and the diseases they may otherwise bring.

  • actual numbers
    May 4, 2009 10:56 a.m.

    The Des News is behind the power curve on updating the public. Gov agencies are being told as of a few minutes ago that there are 286 confirmed cases in 36 states of the swine flu. That's confirmed cases but actually the number is far higher due to backlogs in testing. The probable cases run about 5 to 7 times higher than confirmed...meaning around 1500 cases. Considering the fact that there's around a 4 to 7 day incubation period where people have the flu and don't have any symptoms, the actual number of cases is much higher...hard to guess but could be 4 to 10 times the number of confirmed, suspected cases. This stuff has been increasing at a rate of doubling each days. If they don't slow it down (and they probably will) you could be into the millions within two weeks. Whether it's deadly or not depends on the amount of antivirals stockpiled, (only 1/10th the population) and whether or not the virus mutates into a more deadly strain which is very possible. Minimizing this won't stop it. Viruses don't care what you think.

  • Tom
    May 4, 2009 10:42 a.m.

    One of the main problems with the whole issue is the need for legal reform. It is hard to enforce laws that do not work. Showing some compassion in that reform would not be a bad idea.

    May 4, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    The DN does not address the immigration problem other than to state that it really has nothing to do with the spread of swine flu.

    Swine flu is in the United States because of legal travel BY US CITIZENS to Mexico.

    China (supposedly) has had no cases of swine flu and is trying to keep it that way by isolating people coming into the country from Mexico. Will it work? Who knows - and we probably never will know if it worked or how well because it is in the best interest of the Chinese government to claim success even if it fails miserably.

    Are Chinese tourists going to bring it back to China from Mexico? At this point no, because their government controls all their travel and won't let them go to Mexico.

    We already have people whining about the US government being a nanny government and now you want them to tell you where you can and cannot go on vacation?

    As the editorial stated - swine flu in the US has absolutely nothing to do with immigration, legal or illegal.

  • bogus arguments from DN
    May 4, 2009 10:15 a.m.

    Don't enforce immigration law lest illegal aliens be less likely to report crimes and seek medical care, we're told.

    Hmm. Kind of like saying don't preach sexual abstinence before marriage lest teens fail to use "protection."

    Of course, we're also told that enforcement of immigration law is impossible anyway, just as abstinence is "impossible."

  • More Red Herrings from the Left
    May 4, 2009 10:10 a.m.

    Dishonest and immoral people will sometimes tell lies in an effort to deny, conceal, and divert attention away from the truth. Such lies are sometimes referred to as "Red Herrings." For example, illegal aliens and their supporters will FALSELY accuse those opposed to illegal immigration of being hateful, ignorant, racist, zenophobic, anti-diverse, and discriminating. These are LIES designed to conceal and deny the true issue at hand, which is immigration by the proper, LEGAL process, which includes medical screening, and the OBVIOUS fact that such screening helps prevent the spread of disease into our nation.

  • Des News again
    May 4, 2009 9:51 a.m.

    Again the Des News shows their attitudes on illegal immigration. It's true that travelers and vacationers to Mexico spread the disease in the US but to claim or ignore the fact that illegal immigration doesn't contribute is ridiculous and uneducated. I'm canceling my subscription also...

  • Immigration neither good nor bad
    May 4, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    It's not the immigration...it's the people. If immigrants wish to come to the US, carry their own load (pay taxes), learn the language (English), adopt the customs of the land THEY have chosen, and ADAPT, then and only then is immmigration good for the country. I wish every Mexican immigrant who wishes to do the former ALL THE BEST. I wish every immigrant Mexican or not, who doesn't wish the former to kindly return to their own country.

  • To
    May 4, 2009 9:26 a.m.

    I want to thank the Deseret News for encouraging a reasoned dialogue on this issue. We need to hear from more than one side. We are not going to get a balanced understanding of an issues from our beloved talk show intellectuals that make million of dollars a year raising peoples blood pressure.

  • Paul
    May 4, 2009 9:06 a.m.

    Seems like China at least took care of the problem in the right direction, if just a little too extreme. If you want to stop the disease, you have to stop the people who have it and quarantine them. As it is now, the US is watching while people indiscriminantly travel back and forth, with little to no verification. No wonder we have such a high number of cases. The only good news seems to be that this is not a major flu (and, no, vaccinations are pointless, since this flu isn't covered by them).

  • Anonymous
    May 4, 2009 8:56 a.m.

    Some of us conservatives know that the swine-flu hype is ridiculous and simply want the only thing we've ever wanted - that the law be followed and "undocumented" workers not be allowed to work here until they become "documented" again. (And even more important, that "undocumented" criminals be deported).

    Be careful pointing fingers at overreacting conservatives when the Obama administration has been doing absolutely everything they can to hype up the swine flu in order to have something for the ever-heroic Obama to battle for us (so we wouldn't focus too much on the pathetic reality of his 100-day report card).

  • good editorial
    May 4, 2009 8:47 a.m.

    Good grief, as if xenophobes respect solid thought. Once infected with their brand of fear and loathing, the only innoculation is a good editorial. It is good see healthy thought in print.

    The Deseret News has spoken the truth - again. Thanks for having the courage to do so. I'm going to give gift subscriptions to clients.

  • Dave
    May 4, 2009 8:20 a.m.

    "Never let a good crisis go to waste". Both sides do it.

  • Silva
    May 4, 2009 7:51 a.m.

    "Don't let facts get in the way of anti-immigration rhetoric that has erupted since the swine-flu outbreak began."

    Look in the mirror Deseret News, your pundits refuse to separate illegal immigration from legal immigration. Big difference.

    The media campaign favoring certain ethnic groups over others is deplorable.

    Now explain why closing borders including air traffic and ports for a week does not help to isolate the problem, but closing the schools in Park City does? Maybe only the rich and their servants are worth protecting?

  • Lionheart
    May 4, 2009 7:35 a.m.

    @Patriot & re: Patriot: Seeing the big illegal sobs stories on the front page in my driveway was the reason I stopped buying the hard copy. There is no balanced journalism on this issue in the DN.

  • Vacination excuse
    May 4, 2009 7:12 a.m.

    A reason to get everyone to run and get vaccinated.

    Any reason to why nurses wont take the vaccinations after seeing more harm they cause.

    How about getting a list of everything in our vaccinations.

    Swine flu just another way for the drug companies to get at us.

  • Sam Jackson
    May 4, 2009 6:35 a.m.

    Unfortunatly, the Deseret News has become a political backer for illegal aliens and illegal crime. I suppose it is now "politically correct" to support crime and lawlesness and the DN is taking every opportunity to advance their agenda. My subscription is cancelled as of today.

  • RE; Patriot
    May 4, 2009 6:08 a.m.

    I dropped my subscription last Wednesday. No more money from me to Des News. Just free Internet reading once in a while.

  • U.S. Discriminating about flu?
    May 4, 2009 4:13 a.m.

    China is enforcing their immigration protocols. Some 70 Mexicans have been detained and quarantined.
    El Presidente de Mexico says that is discrimination and is dispatching an airliner to return them back to Mexico.

    El Presidente, there are MANY of your citizens here in the United States who feel they are being discriminated against because they are with out proper valid documentation. Will you please send airliners to pick them up and bring them home.

  • Hillen
    May 4, 2009 3:36 a.m.

    All Humans carry disease. Some diseases are more contagious than others.

    When a person immigrates into another nation LEGALY, part of that process is a medical evaluation to determine if a person is bringing highly contagious viruses or pathogens. ALL National governments set these protocols to protect their citizens. STDs to Drug resistant Tuberculosis are a threat to every nation.

    When a person is smuggled and trafficked into a nation, there is NO MEDICAL EVALUATION. This is one reason Many nations are enforcing stringent anti illegal alien laws.

    This is the point that the minute men were drawing attention to.

    Good grief Deseret News get out of that west side castle and do some solid journalism on what a LEGAL immigrant has to comply with. Use those banks of computers give us some accurate international news on immigration. Start reporting on the rights of LEGAL immigrants. Why are you not speaking out for them?

  • Philly Ledezma
    May 4, 2009 2:44 a.m.

    Good for you, you are a "true Patriot"
    but why you do not use your name, are you afraid of something or just plain ignorant
    are you unable to analize the importance of the Hispanic comunnity in our State as the other minority groups.
    are you afraid of the diversity?

  • Kudos
    May 4, 2009 1:10 a.m.

    Kudos to the editor for being willing to take an unpopular stand and to put facts above bigotry. Illegal immigration is a big issue that needs to be addressed, but the flu is not the fault of Hispanic immigrants, legal or otherwise, and to blame them is either ignorant or racist.

  • Patriot
    May 4, 2009 12:46 a.m.

    The Deseret news is not going to be happy until Salt Lake City becomes Mexico city with crime and Disease. Do they not understand they are supposed to be a Conserative Paper. They will contine to lose readership from conservatives and will have to print in Spanish editions.