Borders;Language;Culture defines a nation. Period.
Personally, I think that illegal immigration is wrong. It is wrong. It is wrong
no matter how you slice it. However, I don't think that stereotyping anyone is
right. I think this article is liberal and biased and definitely not middle of
the road. I am surprised that more individuals haven't mentioned that. This is
yet another ploy to twist something... Considering that more than HALF of the
cases have been reported in Mexico, that it originated in Mexico, and that all
but 1 death has been in Mexico, it is pretty safe to say that we should be
careful about people traveling to and from MEXICO. This means people of all
nationalities INCLUDING MEXICANS.
I enjoy the Deseret News. Many of the respondents to articles are fairly civil
on both sides. I very seldom bother with the Tribune any more. The posts their
are to full of hate. If you want to enjoy a real decent Hate fest go check out
the letter to the editor today that combines both illegal immigration and the
LDS Church. The readers their will not even let the individuals who make a
compassionate comment openly display their opinions.
Funny you should bring up those points. Which Native American language did your
ancestors adopt? Just how did they carry their own load? (Remeber Plymouth
Rock? The Indians taught them how to live off the land and saved their bacon
that first year.) I'm sure they adopted the customs of the land they chose;
that's why you live in a tipi and wear leather moccasins that your wife
hand-crafted for you from skins of buffalo that you personally killed with your
bow and arrow.Since you're no hypocrite, kindly return to whichever
European country your ancestors left in order to transform this nation into
something utterly different than it was before they arrived.P.S. I
wish you all the best.
It might clear the air if we just had a list of all the Des News writers and
their political affiliations. It would also be useful if there were a byline on
editorials. It would be enlightening to know just who is opining what.
I wonder how the real minutemen in the early days of our country would have felt
about these people taking their name and calling themselves patriots.
why is the desnews "supposed" to be a conservative newspaper?Why not
middle of the road?Why not liberal?I am a patriot, am I
supposed to be conservative too?
Kudos to you for a well-reasoned editorial.
Laws work fine if enforced. Reform is the cry of lawbreakers who
want the law changed to accommodate them with amnesty. It didn't
work in 1986, it won't work now. It will just invite a new invasion looking for
the next amnesty.
. . . to bring the discussion back to reality -- the CDC currently recognizes 2
categorical risk factors: (1) Recent travel to Mexico, and (2) Contact with
someone in category (1).Why minmize the risk? Mexico IS the risk
for their own agenda? This is a sampling of articles across the nation.
Rally numbers have dramatically dropped, and La Raza is blaming the flu for the
poor turn out. These events were coordinated in major cities throughout the U.S.
And like Utah, the thousands have become a couple of hundred, at best.Flu overshadows rally for reformsBy Aaron FalkDeseret NewsPublished: Friday, May 1, 2009 11:28 p.m. MDT 'Turnout at Friday's
rally was smaller than some had hoped, and Yapias blamed it on fear surrounding
the current swine-flu outbreak.'Swine Flu Outbreak Affects
Immigration Reform Rally AttendanceFriday, May 01, 2009By Laura
Wides-Munoz, Associated Press Miami (AP) - Immigrants and their families
began gathering at rallies across the country Friday to push for changes to U.S.
immigration policy, but as a swine flu outbreak continued to spread, attendance
at some events was smaller than what organizers had hoped.H1N1 Looms
Over Immigration Rallies - CBS NewsSwine Flu Could Depress May Day
Immigration Rallies | NBC New York
I'm all for legal immigration. I'm also for issuing temporary work cards to
anyone who wants one unless we find out that person is a felon. But before
issuing work cards we should pass a constitutional amendment that a child of
illegal immigrants is not considered a citizen of the United States. Illegal
immigrants should be forced to work in prison camps for six months and then
China has 1 confirmed case and 300 people have been quarantined based on that
one confirmed case alone. They learned their lesson a few years back and paid
the price for not being more proactive during an outbreak of avian flu which hit
Asia hard. The countries that got hit back then are taking this very seriously.
We're not and outside of Mexico the US by far is the worst off. I suppose
we'll learn our lesson the hard way too. We were neck and neck with New Zealand
a couple of days ago. They've taken it seriously and have quarantined almost
400 people. Now we've got 3 times as many cases as they do.
My post on this subject is the third post I have had rejected today.I wish to say that borders are not respected all by themselves. Law and
normal controls bring respect for borders by individuals and the diseases they
may otherwise bring.
The Des News is behind the power curve on updating the public. Gov agencies are
being told as of a few minutes ago that there are 286 confirmed cases in 36
states of the swine flu. That's confirmed cases but actually the number is far
higher due to backlogs in testing. The probable cases run about 5 to 7 times
higher than confirmed...meaning around 1500 cases. Considering the fact that
there's around a 4 to 7 day incubation period where people have the flu and
don't have any symptoms, the actual number of cases is much higher...hard to
guess but could be 4 to 10 times the number of confirmed, suspected cases. This
stuff has been increasing at a rate of doubling each days. If they don't slow
it down (and they probably will) you could be into the millions within two
weeks. Whether it's deadly or not depends on the amount of antivirals
stockpiled, (only 1/10th the population) and whether or not the virus mutates
into a more deadly strain which is very possible. Minimizing this won't stop it.
Viruses don't care what you think.
One of the main problems with the whole issue is the need for legal reform. It
is hard to enforce laws that do not work. Showing some compassion in that reform
would not be a bad idea.
The DN does not address the immigration problem other than to state that it
really has nothing to do with the spread of swine flu.Swine flu is
in the United States because of legal travel BY US CITIZENS to Mexico.China (supposedly) has had no cases of swine flu and is trying to keep it that
way by isolating people coming into the country from Mexico. Will it work? Who
knows - and we probably never will know if it worked or how well because it is
in the best interest of the Chinese government to claim success even if it fails
miserably.Are Chinese tourists going to bring it back to China from
Mexico? At this point no, because their government controls all their travel
and won't let them go to Mexico.We already have people whining about
the US government being a nanny government and now you want them to tell you
where you can and cannot go on vacation?As the editorial stated -
swine flu in the US has absolutely nothing to do with immigration, legal or
Don't enforce immigration law lest illegal aliens be less likely to report
crimes and seek medical care, we're told. Hmm. Kind of like saying
don't preach sexual abstinence before marriage lest teens fail to use
"protection." Of course, we're also told that enforcement of
immigration law is impossible anyway, just as abstinence is "impossible."
Dishonest and immoral people will sometimes tell lies in an effort to deny,
conceal, and divert attention away from the truth. Such lies are sometimes
referred to as "Red Herrings." For example, illegal aliens and their supporters
will FALSELY accuse those opposed to illegal immigration of being hateful,
ignorant, racist, zenophobic, anti-diverse, and discriminating. These are LIES
designed to conceal and deny the true issue at hand, which is immigration by the
proper, LEGAL process, which includes medical screening, and the OBVIOUS fact
that such screening helps prevent the spread of disease into our nation.
Again the Des News shows their attitudes on illegal immigration. It's true that
travelers and vacationers to Mexico spread the disease in the US but to claim or
ignore the fact that illegal immigration doesn't contribute is ridiculous and
uneducated. I'm canceling my subscription also...
It's not the immigration...it's the people. If immigrants wish to come to the
US, carry their own load (pay taxes), learn the language (English), adopt the
customs of the land THEY have chosen, and ADAPT, then and only then is
immmigration good for the country. I wish every Mexican immigrant who wishes to
do the former ALL THE BEST. I wish every immigrant Mexican or not, who doesn't
wish the former to kindly return to their own country.
I want to thank the Deseret News for encouraging a reasoned dialogue on this
issue. We need to hear from more than one side. We are not going to get a
balanced understanding of an issues from our beloved talk show intellectuals
that make million of dollars a year raising peoples blood pressure.
Seems like China at least took care of the problem in the right direction, if
just a little too extreme. If you want to stop the disease, you have to stop
the people who have it and quarantine them. As it is now, the US is watching
while people indiscriminantly travel back and forth, with little to no
verification. No wonder we have such a high number of cases. The only good
news seems to be that this is not a major flu (and, no, vaccinations are
pointless, since this flu isn't covered by them).
Some of us conservatives know that the swine-flu hype is ridiculous and simply
want the only thing we've ever wanted - that the law be followed and
"undocumented" workers not be allowed to work here until they become
"documented" again. (And even more important, that "undocumented" criminals be
deported). Be careful pointing fingers at overreacting conservatives
when the Obama administration has been doing absolutely everything they can to
hype up the swine flu in order to have something for the ever-heroic Obama to
battle for us (so we wouldn't focus too much on the pathetic reality of his
100-day report card).
Good grief, as if xenophobes respect solid thought. Once infected with their
brand of fear and loathing, the only innoculation is a good editorial. It is
good see healthy thought in print. The Deseret News has spoken the
truth - again. Thanks for having the courage to do so. I'm going to give gift
subscriptions to clients.
"Never let a good crisis go to waste". Both sides do it.
"Don't let facts get in the way of anti-immigration rhetoric that has erupted
since the swine-flu outbreak began."Look in the mirror Deseret News,
your pundits refuse to separate illegal immigration from legal immigration. Big
difference.The media campaign favoring certain ethnic groups over
others is deplorable. Now explain why closing borders including air
traffic and ports for a week does not help to isolate the problem, but closing
the schools in Park City does? Maybe only the rich and their servants are worth
@Patriot & re: Patriot: Seeing the big illegal sobs stories on the front page
in my driveway was the reason I stopped buying the hard copy. There is no
balanced journalism on this issue in the DN.
A reason to get everyone to run and get vaccinated.Any reason to why
nurses wont take the vaccinations after seeing more harm they cause.How about getting a list of everything in our vaccinations.Swine
flu just another way for the drug companies to get at us.
Unfortunatly, the Deseret News has become a political backer for illegal aliens
and illegal crime. I suppose it is now "politically correct" to support crime
and lawlesness and the DN is taking every opportunity to advance their agenda.
My subscription is cancelled as of today.
I dropped my subscription last Wednesday. No more money from me to Des News.
Just free Internet reading once in a while.
China is enforcing their immigration protocols. Some 70 Mexicans have been
detained and quarantined.El Presidente de Mexico says that is
discrimination and is dispatching an airliner to return them back to Mexico.El Presidente, there are MANY of your citizens here in the United States
who feel they are being discriminated against because they are with out proper
valid documentation. Will you please send airliners to pick them up and bring
All Humans carry disease. Some diseases are more contagious than
others.When a person immigrates into another nation LEGALY, part of
that process is a medical evaluation to determine if a person is bringing highly
contagious viruses or pathogens. ALL National governments set these protocols to
protect their citizens. STDs to Drug resistant Tuberculosis are a threat to
every nation.When a person is smuggled and trafficked into a nation,
there is NO MEDICAL EVALUATION. This is one reason Many nations are enforcing
stringent anti illegal alien laws.This is the point that the minute
men were drawing attention to.Good grief Deseret News get out of
that west side castle and do some solid journalism on what a LEGAL immigrant has
to comply with. Use those banks of computers give us some accurate
international news on immigration. Start reporting on the rights of LEGAL
immigrants. Why are you not speaking out for them?
Good for you, you are a "true Patriot" but why you do not use your name,
are you afraid of something or just plain ignorantare you unable to
analize the importance of the Hispanic comunnity in our State as the other
minority groups.are you afraid of the diversity?
Kudos to the editor for being willing to take an unpopular stand and to put
facts above bigotry. Illegal immigration is a big issue that needs to be
addressed, but the flu is not the fault of Hispanic immigrants, legal or
otherwise, and to blame them is either ignorant or racist.
The Deseret news is not going to be happy until Salt Lake City becomes Mexico
city with crime and Disease. Do they not understand they are supposed to be a
Conserative Paper. They will contine to lose readership from conservatives and
will have to print in Spanish editions.