What a tough year for the Jazz - on the court and definitely off the court. As
human beings whats gone on has to wear on you .... i'm proud of how well they
did. Hope they get healthy, get the distractions out of the way and get on to a
better year next season!
Somebody tell Derron to stay away from the tattoo parlors this off season, and
work on his shooting. He needs shooting practice way more than he needs more
ugly tattoos plastered all over his body.
DWill averaged just under 20 points a game this season and is the team's leading
scorer. Maybe if he had some help on defense, he wouldn't have to try and do it
all every game. And you need to learn how to spell his name, troll.
I didn't know funeral arrangements kept him from replacing Collins and Knight as
I love the fact that Sloan is a hard nosed no nonsense get're done coach. He
never makes excuses, he takes credit when things don't go well, and he never
gives up.To have survived 20 years as a head coach in any
professional sport is amazing in and of itself. I get tired of all the whiners.
The Jazz are a good team in a small market. The Jazz are not that far off from
being a great team. Time to reload, not explode the Jazz. Now get're done
I would dearly love to see the Jazz do something really great. But year after
year, they fail to perform up to their capabilities. If this is how I did my
job, I would have been demoted or replaced years ago. Everybody has problems
they have to deal with. We are expected to roll with the punches and stay
productive. Where's the incentive for pro ball players? Though they may be
missing that coveted "ring," they still rake in their multi-million dollar
contracts without blinking an eye. What a racket!
You're a coward.
jerry sloan may be a lot of things, but, he's not a coward.
I think the coach ought to go back to Illinois to the farm and get as far away
from the Jazz as he can for a few weeks. He deserves some time to rest and
relax. I would also say it's vital to his well-being to do so. Basketball just
isn't that important.
I am not sure why everything has to be bitter or disappointing. I love the
Jazz...love watching them play and and glad to have players that are basically
good citizens setting good examples and doing good things in our community. I
don't care if they win a championship...yea...I like it when they win...but they
bring much more than just winning to the table. This is not a bitter season for
me...they have provided much enjoyment and I will continue to support them. Go
Jazz...and thanks to all the players and coaches...please know that you are
appreciated at many different levels...not just as ball players and coaches.
The biggest disappointment this year was AK. His play all season, until the last
playoff game, was lackluster and uninspired. For being the highest paid player
on the team, he brought absolutely nothing to the court. It was his bonehead
mistakes in the Miami game that cost us the game. I don't know what happened to
the AK of 1 and 2 years ago, but he showed the team and the fans this year that
he just didn't care, so I think the fans and management need to return the favor
and let him know that we no longer care, and he can take himself and his big
salary elsewhere. And he can take Okur with him.
YOU WANT ANSWERS, I'LL GIVE YOU ANSWERS! GET RID OF CARLOS LOOZER BEFORE HE
DAMAGES THIS FRANCHISE ANY FURTHER. IF BOOZER IS BACK ON NEXT YEARS TEAM I AM
DONE ATTENDING JAZZ GAMES.
The whiners need to stop. Be grateful for having one of the winningest
franchises in history in what could be the least attractive market to big names.
As long as the "Jerry" style ball is being played in Utah they will continue to
have a chance to be great, to be Champions! Every player on this team has
benefited from Jerry Sloan. Boozer would be like Drew Gooden without Sloan and
even D-will would be more like Andre Miller without Sloan. He makes these guys
great! Stop whining and realize success comes long term and not in one year, we
have had lots of success as Jazz fans!
My thoughts...Jazz need to:Re-sign Knight to 5 yearsRe-sign Collins to 3 yearsRe-sign Boozer to 5 yearsFire
OkurFire MillsapFire BrewerThat's our key to the Glory
Jerry's system is built around having a strong point guard/power forward combo.I
think they have that with D-Will and Booze. What is lacking is a true center and
a consistent SG. If we can get the right fit at those positions, we're a
legitimate contender.Win or lose, I love watching the Jazz!But I'd
much rather win.
Put on 30 lbs so you can actually survive in the middle
@ CleetornSo what you are telling me is that if your closest family
member and best freind in the world died and then your Boss, who gave you your
job and was also a good freind, also died.... or say your wife left you and took
your children and you were caught in an ugly divorce... or just say you got
injured and where physically unable to work for several months....you honesly think you would just "roll with the punches" and be the same
productive person you were before any of those thing happened?Right,
sure you would.@ DeadweightActually, I thought AK was
playing really well and looked happy until his ankle injury got so bad it
required surgery. He was a warrior and came back form surgery in 3 weeks!!!
Unfortuantely after that he seemed to have lost some fire. Furthermore, if you honestly think he brings nothing to the Jazz you need to
learn a little bit more about the game of basketball.@ AnswersBoozer probably will leave, but the Jazz won't be better for it. Quite
the opposite, Boozer is the second best player on the team, and losing him will
My thoughts...Lakers need to:Re-sign Adam Morrision for
50 yearsRe-sign Andrew Bynum for 30 yearsRe-sign Phil Jackson for 50
yearsFire KobeFire PauFire OdomeThat's our
key to the Glory Road
Re sign Boozer to 5 years!!!! Why? Who is going to defenbd for him. Boozer does
not get it. He is injury prone, lacks heart, and cannot deal with the defenders
in his area of assignment. What can it take to make a great and dedicated player
out of him???? Work on that one Todd. Tell us. I think you are off target and
maybe working for the Lakers.
Sloan is the Best | 8:25 a.m. April 29, 2009"The Jazz are not that far off
from being a great team."That's like saying AIG, GM, and Chrysler
are not that from being great companies again.Sloan is stuck in the
80-90s basketball its time for new leadership just like at AIG, GM, and
That's our key to the toilet bowl
I appreciate the name calling.Typical sloan lover.
My thoughts....jazz need to...Get LebronGet
KobeGet Dwight HowardGet Amare StodamireKeep Deron THATS the ket to glory road
No No! You all have it wrong...You are missing the pointIf we keep Boozer, Knight, and Collins this happens:1. Less
turnovers and shots by knight2. Power Dunks from Boozer and great
Defense3. Collins is a beast in the middle and has a fabulous 20 foot
jumper4. Knight can thread the needle-meaning for all you non basketball
players, can pass the ball between a freight trainGlory Road, Glory
Road, Glory Road
Jerry's had a tough year, the Fans have had a tough year. I'm anxious to see
what this offseason will result in. It's up to Kevin O to see that the pieces
are in place for this team to move on. IT's jerry's job to use what he's given.
TRUST ME WHEN I SAY, "Jerry Sloan has coached this bunch of semi-soft talented
party boys better than anybody else could have." It's discipline that teaches
college drop outs to be a team, not freewheeling, one on one drills...see Golden
State & NJ & Clippers for proof!THE Jazz are consistently in the
playoffs...don't get spoiled! The Road losses are due to our team's lack of
maturity...I bet the strip clubs know Dwill & Brewer by heart! Milsap better
keep his nose clean or he'll be a flash in the pan too...between him & Boozer,
they couldn't guard a statue!
Injuries hurt the Jazz this year big time and that was their biggest problem.
The Jazz player stable is still one of the best in the league, so try and keep
them around. There are no bad actors. Remember, just a few years ago, the
mighty Kobe and his Lakers team were eliminated in the first round. Look where
that team is now. Keep the roster as is but maybe try and bring in a ringer
(like Jeff Hornacek); that helped John and Karl more than people think.
Also--the Jazz should practice free throws--hate to see games lost at the line.
Still, the Jazz reamain one of the truly class teams in the NBA, and I will
continue to support them.
Even your announcer said that on 570 sports here in LA. You gotta love the
lakers! As we journey on down the road to the finals.
The Jazz are enjoyable to watch, and a class organization. All they need is a
way to win a few more road games. This year if they won 6 more games anywhere,
they would have been the 2nd seed and still playing ball. If I were Kevin
O'Connor, I would roll out a compensation bonus that starts only when they win
48 games, that pays 5 or 6 times the amount for each win away from home as the
games at home. If they don't win on the road...it costs nothing. If they DO
win on the road, it pays for itself with more home games since we won't be
seeded 8th and will then win more games. This league and especially the West is
a game of millimeters. A few small differences even in this injury plagued
season would have made a massive difference.
that the people of Utah will keep supporting an activity like the Jazz. Why do
they do it? I suppose the need for self inflicted pain.
I think that the jazz need to get rid of booze and AK and if they could put
milsap in as power forward and get a reasonable center then they could actually
go for the ring! i think milsap has alot more heart than booz does!
The key to the Jazz having a successful offseason is if they can get out of
Kirilenko's contract. I love Andrei, but not for that price tag. We need to use
that money for Millsap and a good solid inside defender. Having a
defensive-minded 5 will make Boozer look so much better, plus will be a good
compliment to Okur. That is all we need. We need Booz and Okur, but not
necessarily AK for that kind of money. We are closer than everybody thinks.
until jazz coach figures enough is enough then they will always be mediocre at
best. they need a brand new coaching staff and some different players
altogether. until that type of change happens then i'll just look forward to nba
draft every year, at least it's unpredictable and you don't know what team is
picking what player. jazz should build around williams since he's proven that he
can create his own shot and get the ball to someone open. that's mainly why
lakers doubled him every possesion is cuz he's that good. sloan needs to do his
part and COACH and let williams run the floor and make the decisions. jazz ARE
starting to get better because of willams and only thing missing is a few role
players and some size and some height. price needs to be the main backup, keep
AK, memo, millsap, and a couple of others and either make some trades or use the
draft to your advantage.
Jerry Sloan is a great coach...has done an awfully lot for the Jazz and Utah.
Utah is fortunate to have him.....
Until someone teaches Jerry that 3pt shots are worth 50% more than 2pt shots the
Jazz will continue to struggle on both ends of the court. They give up way too
many open threes on defense and don't create enough *open* threes on offense.
Smarter defensive teams (like the Rockets) have realized that you
need to concentrate on defending the paint and outside the 3-pt line, since
those two areas are where teams shoot the highest *effective FG%* (look it up if
you don't know the term). The idea is that if you concede a shot you're better
off if it's a long 2.The Jazz do the opposite. They contest nothing
in the paint (and often commit stupid and-1 type fouls) and double off 3-pt
shooters.Until this team learns to play 21st century defense they'll
be stuck right about where they are.
Memo must go. Bottom line, he's one of the worst defenders in the league, I
like what he does on offense, but get a center who can punish people inside, and
a guard who can shoot it, lights out. Memo is the best shooter on the team, but
I'd rather see the jazz have their center be their best defender, than what memo
is. It's ironic, the worst defender is the center, the next worse defender is
the power foward? What? Preferably, you'd want those guys to be the two best
@ Remedial MathYou are absolutely right about effective FG% and NBA
defensive theory, which tells me you at least know a little about basketball, I
guess thats why I am surprised that you would throw the blame entirely on
Sloan.You mentioned effective FG%... If the Jazz effective FG% is in
the top 5 in the league every year (and it is), then why would they need to do
anything different offensively?Defensively you are absolutely right,
but how much of that is Sloan, and how much of that is players?I can
gaurantee you that if the Jazz traded Boozer or Okur for Marcus Camby the
defensive ability of the Jazz would go from average to good overnight. Would
that be because Sloan is a great defensive coach? No. It would be because they
had a player that could defend the paint.No amount of learning or
21st century philosophies will ever compensate for a lack of ability. Right
now, defensively, the Jazz have a lack of ability. They actually were decent
defensively this year when Boozer was out and AK and Millsap were playing so
Without the Jerry Sloan, the Jazz would be the Millwakee (sp?) Bucks of the
west. A bunch of moderate players with moderate coaches and a winning season
once every 10 years.
Sloan and magnus are obviously incapable or understanding the complexities
involved in the 3pt shot. It isn't just about effective FG%, there are many
other factors such as rebounding after a missed 3, the ability to stop fast
breaks after a missed 3 vs missed layup, etc. An offense that doesn't properly
use the 3 is also much easier to disrupt over a 7 game series, which is why
nobody else uses Sloan's system.
I do not understand all the sloan lovers. You take the coach that had the worst
record in the nba and give him the Jazz players and he would win at least 48
games.This team is very talented, but jerry refuses to make changes
to his defense/offense to suit his players and team and Management refuses to
take a risk to make this team a championship team. I guess everybody in the
front office and the sloan lovers are just happy to be in the playoffs. As long
as they sell a lot of tickets and beer they are happy to be average.
When you have a winning team then you can mouth off about the Lakers. I don't want to read one more thing about how much you hate Kobe and the
Lakers anymore. Jazz fans have to be some of the most "mouthy" I have ever
seen. I have read so many comments on here about how "arrogant" the Laker fans
are. I think it's the reverse!You don't support your team even when
they are good. No wonder Karl Malone left Utah to try and get a championship
ring. You may hate Kobe and Fisher but they have hearts of a
champion! (even if they don't win this year...they play like it...especially
Kobe)... Hate Kobe all you want he will haunt the Jazz until he retires!
Haha good stuff guys, lots of laughs so far, eg: Todd and his Glory
Road..Seriously though there was a very telling comment in that
article when Sloan said something along the lines of the Jazz having acheived
alot by winning 48 games this season. I think that is the difference
between Sloan and his admirers and the rest of us.For them 48 wins
is a good effort with all the injuries they had..For us, it was a
1st round exit with a full team (yeah Memo was hobbled but so was Bynum) that
got worse when they got everyone back.. and another season like the last 20.Magnus you make me laugh, in one post when we talk about Price and his
lack of minutes you say Sloan should go and then in another you defend him to
the hilt. Haha i suppose logic cant be your friend when you argue for a lost
Until the jazz learn how to win on the road, they will continue to be mediocre
at best. Time for Sloan to go as he's taken this team as far as it can go with
him. The jazz need to learn how to become road warriors.GO LAKERS!!
You guy's are missing the same thing Jerry Sloan missed. Fes and Koufos in the
paint. Ronnie Price at backup point.
thats what I have been saying along use the young centers and there fouls ,and
when kobe and his homies drive to the rim knock em down on the hardwood.
Whether or not Sloan is a good coach is not the question. The key question is
"Sloan the best coach for the Jazz at this point"? Magnus is right
in substance. Sloan is a very good coach. He also have several biases that lose
6 to 10 games a year. This Jazz team can play defense when they want
to. However, there are several defensive weaknesses and some offensive
weaknesses in the Sloan system. Part of the problem is the players
(Boozer, Okur inside but also Brewer and Korver outside). They are slow and
don't stay in front of their man. Part of the problem is getting out rebounded
by tall aggressive teams.Part of the problem is Sloan packing the
paint and leaving the 3 wide open. Not to mention getting killed on fast breaks
since DWill and Brewer are trying to get offensive rebounds. Part of the problem
is not using the younger players enough. The Jazz have depth and Sloan would not
use it but ran Okur and Millsap into the ground. He also played Collins. LA has more talent than the Jazz. They also have a higher salary cap.
Nothing will change.
If Sloan would smell the coffee, Fes and Koufos could BOTH be developed into
absolute animals in the paint. Both offensively and defensively. He definately
could try to get Mark Eaton or someone to work with them if he does'nt have the
time, patients or whatever.
@ complexity 101You know what I am incapable of understanding?how it is that when by every statistical measure the Jazz have one of
the best and most efficient offenses in the league, year in and year out, Jazz
fans like yourself insist that his system isn't working and that it is somehow
outdated. Especially when it is plainly obvious that the Jazz problems have
nothing to do with their offense.I've presented mountains of proof
that the Jazz have one of the best and most efficient offenses in the league, so
now it's time for one of you geniuses to step up and prove me wrong.Go ahead, give it a try.Just saing "oh there are complexities of
the 3 that make it better to shoot more" isn't going to cut it. I want to see
some hard evidence that the Jazz are somehow hurting themselves or falling
behind the rest of the league because they are not shooting more 3's.I'm listening, and I'm open minded, but you gotta give me something more than
hand waiving and truthiness.
@ the MailmanI will defend Sloan to the hilt, against critisisms
that have no basis in truth.And don't even try to bring up logic
here...there is obviously no place for it.I said it on the other
page, playing Price over Knight or Knight over Price is a non-issue. You are
delusional if you think that playing Kosta or Fes over Collins or Price over
Knight would have resulted in even one more win for the Jazz. The amount of
time that those guys played and the contributions they were capable of were
miniscule in the scope of the other problems the Jazz had. To me that is just
another thing to complain about for Jazz fans who already complain way too much.
those last several posts were not by me guys. Please print this.....
THE REAL ONE..... 12-6 TODAY AGAINST THE "SLOANAHOLICS" STILL SITTING AT SOLID
60 PERCENT AGAINST SLOAN, GOOD WORK. WE NEED SNAGGLEPUSS, GOOD JOB GOMER
YESTERDAY.SLOAN AND FRIENDS 94-98 LIFETIME PLAYOFF RECORDPHIL
JOHNSON HAS NEVER WON A PLAYOFF SERIES..GUYS FACT.AGAIN THIS ALL
CAN BE BLAMED ON "SLOANAHOLICS" BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT CHANGE AND ARE NOT
PRESSURING THE FRONT OFFICE. "IF WE WIN GREAT IF NOT AT LEAST WE ARE NASTY AND
TOUGH I JUST ENJOY THE GAMES I DO NOT NEED OR CARE TO CRITIQUE"OF
COURSE.I COULD HAVE COACHED THIS TEAM TO A 48-34 RECORD. I
GUARANTEE YOU THIS...MY DEFENSE WOULD BE DIFFERENT. FURTHER I WOULD PUSH A LOT
AND NOT ALWAYS HAVE DERON WALK THE BALL OUT OF THE BACK COURT. WITH THE POINT
FORWARD THAT JACKSON USES TO HANDLE THE ROCK THERE IS AT LEAST FLEXIBILITY IN
THE TRIANGLE THAT IT IS NOT SO PREDICTABLE WHERE THE BALL IS GOING.YOU GUYS AMAZE ME. RUDY GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU JAZZ COP ALSO...WHAT IS PACKING
THE PAINT WITHOUT SOMEONE WHO CAN INTIMIDATE. THEN AGAIN WE
KNOW NOTHING. NO......
@Todd...good news I heard that if Stockton and Horny don't want to replace Jerry
you're next.Jerry's offensive system is unbelievable. How the Jazz
have been so consistently competitive over the years is matched by only a few
teams in the league, most of which are in the biggest markets.I
think the biggest thing the Jazz lack is focus. There is not a single player on
this team that knows what it takes to win. When we were a less talented team
but had Fisher (even though I don't like him) we were much more focused, and
played harder everyday, and accomplished a lot more. If we could bring in one
veteran leader (which are hard to find) I think that is the single most
important piece we are missing. Look what Billups did for Denver, he was a
downgrade in talent, upgrade in leadership and focus and they are the only legit
threat against the lakers in the west this year.Jerry can't lead, he
can't get the players to play hard, thats not his role, this isn't high school
sports. Your dealing with 20yrold multimillionaires. Players Lead.
Re BR: I agree. If Sloan would take a different attitude with his young players
and try to develope them it would make a big difference.Fes and KK need
playing time to develope. They will make mistakes but live with it and let them
develope. It will benifit the Jazz in the long run. Sloan just can't get himself
to play young players and let them make mistakes and learn from it.If he
really does want to see what he can do to coach better, he needs to look at how
to develope his young players better. We lack defense and especially defensein
the paint and Fes and KK could provide that if Sloan would play them and be
positive with them. He doesn't build confidence in players, he's negative in his
coaching style. If he can't see it and change, he needs to retire.
C'mon!!!Nobody is going to step up.I called you out, I
threw down the gauntlet, and all I get is a full page of all caps truthiness
from Todd.somebody man up and show me something...A stat
showing that the Jazz offense is innefective in certain situations...A stat showing that the Jazz not shooting threes is putting them at a
dissatvantage against teams that shot more threes...A quote from a
reputable Basketball analyst/player/coach/GM to back up your theories...ANYTHING!you guys are no fun
If you trust John Hollinger's Team stats (I generally do) the Jazz ranked 9th
this season is offensive efficiency, which is defined as Points scored per 100
possessions. Note that this metric accounts for pace (roughly the number of
possessions in a give game), so a team that like Houston that plays slower
should be on equal footing with someone like Phoenix. The Jazz
ranked 12th in Defensive Efficiency (points allowed per 100 possessions).The top 5 Offensive teams on the list:1. Phoenix2.
Portland3. Lakers4. Cleveland5. DallasThe top 5
Defensive teams:1. Orlando2. Boston3. Cleveland4.
Houston5. LakersJust to reiterate, the Jazz are 9th and 12th
on those lists. Decent rankings, but nothing that's likely to win you a title.
By contrast I think it's no coincidence that Cleveland and the Lakers are the
Finals favorites and appear in the top 5 on both lists.
You could use a version of your own class evidently.The Jazz have
knocked the Rockets out of the playoffs the previous 2 years before this one.
Chances are we would have done it again this season.I know what I
have shared is complex but try to follow the logic.Sure the Jazz
need to defend but this injury riddled team was not that far from getting 2nd
seed in the W. Conference. If we would have had even an average injury year we
would have finished ahead of most all of these other teams that you think are
superior.I am surprised you could spell remedial math since you
obviously never attended the class.
Ad Hominem attacks are a pretty clear sign you have little faith in your
argument. What is your argument anyway? That since the Jazz beat the Rockets
last year and the year before and therefore anything the Rockets do is inferior
to how the Jazz do things?The Rockets have their own problems, but
they are a better defensive team than the Jazz by any measurement. My argument is that the Jazz would be better with their current roster if they
applied a more modern defensive theory like that used by the Houston Rockets
(and other teams).
@ Jazz Team StatsThank you!I think I remember Hollinger
saying that, in General, if a team is top 5 in both categories or the best in
one and top 10 in the other he generally considers them to be an "elite"
team.The Jazz clearly were not an elite this year. Last year they
were much better (1st or 2nd offense, 12th Defense) but still not quite
there.I'm waiting for some haters to step up to the plate...Anyone?Buhler?Buhler?
@ re:re: remedial mathI can see that argument but do you really even
know what the Rockets philosophy is? and whether or not it is even "modern
theory" and not something Adleman learned from a mentor 15 or 20 years ago when
he was an assistant coach? Or do you just think it must be better and newer
because the Rockets are a better defensive team?I'll give you 5
reasons why the Rockets are a better defensive team than the Jazz.Yao MingLouis ScolaShane BattierRon ArtestTom
LandryThats 4 hard nosed, top notch, defensive players and a guy
who's 7'6" tall, and they where all good defensive players before they played
for the Rockets.Now lets name the good hard-nosed defensive players
on the Jazz team....Ronnie Brewer???Maybe Paul Millsap?AK used to be...I think you get my point.
Hollinger also said that Chris Paul is as good as Magic was, and clearly that's
true...cough.But anyway, you really think that how you play offense
has no impact on the defensive end? You really think you can divide that in two
in such a simplistic way? *pats you on the head* Well, maybe you and Sloan
can, but that's why you both probably still think the earth is flat. Every aspect of the game affects every other aspect. How do you explain the
fact that the top ten teams defensively in the NBA also shoot more 3s than the
Jazz? Wait, don't try to grasp the intricacies of that, you'll just hurt
That's a good point. Most of the best defensive teams also shoot the most 3's.
Enough so that it can't be coincidence.
@magnus: Remedial Math was my post as well. Hollinger's rule of
thumb is looking pretty good this year. It's worth noting that Boston was 6th
in the Offensive rankings.All I'm trying to say is that he Jazz just
aren't a good enough defensive team to compete for the title, not when you've
got teams like Boston, L.A. and Cleveland who can get it done on both ends of
the floor. Furthermore I'm not sure the current coaches or
management know how to make the Jazz a better defensive team.I'm
generalizing here, but I think you either:A) Improve your scouting
and defensive schemes (coaching)B) Improve your personnel from
without (acquire new players)C) Improve your personnel from within
(player development)If the Jazz can't acquire new players (looks
doubtful) and have shown little evidence of (A) or (C) on the defensive side of
the ball then where does that leave them? I'm very concerned that Sloan doesn't
have an accurate sense of which players on his team are playing good defense.
He stresses defense, but does he know it when he sees it?
@ @ magnusStatistically speaking, Paul is as good as Magic, and
statistically is the only way Hollinger ever speaks, so you take it in the
spirit in which it is intended.maybe the fact that the top 10
defensive teams shoot more threes than the Jazz has somethign to do with the
fact that almost every team shoots more threes than the Jazz.And
before you declare victory and jump on your high horse to ride off into the
sunset, I think you should know that the 10 worst defensive teams in the league
also all shot more 3's than the Jazz did. you got any other theories
you want to try out?
Top 10 defensive teams (3pt attempts ranking)Orlando (2)Boston (21)Cleveland (5)Houston (4)LA (15)San Antonio
(10)Charlotte (22)Denver (17)New Orleans (14)Portland
(12)Top 10 teams in 3pt attempts (defensive rank)New
York (24)Orlando (1)New Jersey (23)Indiana (19)Cleveland
(3)Houston (4)Atlanta (11)Dallas (17)Miami (13)San
Antonio (6)you guys are right, there is a strong correlation between
good defense and shooting more three's...no question...absolutely...I concede the point.
magnus: This is really a poor forum for this discussion, because I think we're
closer to being on the same page than it appears, and the moderation system here
just puts too big of a delay between posts...You said: "I'll give
you 5 reasons why the Rockets are a better defensive team than the Jazz.Yao MingLouis ScolaShane BattierRon ArtestTom
LandryThats 4 hard nosed, top notch, defensive players and a guy
who's 7'6" tall, and they where all good defensive players before they played
for the Rockets.Now lets name the good hard-nosed defensive players
on the Jazz team.... "That's your point, and it's also my point.
It's not just coaching, it's an organizational philosophy. With the exception
of Yao Ming, the other 4 players you mentioned were recent acquisitions. They
were acquired precisely because of their defensive skills. The Rockets know how
to evaluate defensive play. I contend that the Jazz do not. I'm
no Rockets fan boy, but I like the approach their organization is taking to
analyzing the game of basketball. I wish the Jazz would follow suit.
Clearly there is no correlation; why in the world would those two things be
related? magnus: have you read the NY Times piece on the Rockets
and Shane Battier? Or any of the coverage of the so-called Dork-a-Palooza (the
basketball stats summit)? If not, you should, I think you'd enjoy it.
@ Jazz team statsYou are absolutely right but I would argue that
option A) is probably the least effective.The Jazz really need to
upgrade their personel. if they don't, I don't care who they get to coach, they
will never be a good defensive team.
Also: that should be Carl Landry. Tom Landry is less of a defensive presence
these days. :)
Those two posts about 3pt shots and Defense where in response to this comment
from 3:31PM"How do you explain the fact that the top ten teams
defensively in the NBA also shoot more 3's than the Jazz?"I think we
do agree, but I also think the Jazz organization is going to wise up to it. Don't forget that only 3 or 4 years ago the Jazz were flat out horrible
offensively, that's why they brought in Okur and Boozer, they simply didn't have
the offensive firepower to compete. Also remember that Boozer was supposed to
be an adequate "Karl Malone type" of defender when they got him...we all see how
that turned out. I have read about the Dork-a-palooza. If I was
still in college I would seriously think about doing some graduate studies in
statistics and probability and writing a masters thesis on statistical analysis
and predictive models in athletics....but I'm happy where I am right now so the
drive just isn't there to actually do it.I haven't read the NY times
piece, I'll have to check it out.
you are right about this being a poor forum as well.I tried to jump
over the Des news Message board a while ago because I thought that would be
better but it was totally dead so I forgot about it.
@ magnusthis is your problem. you focus on one aspect of the Jazz
(offence) and use that as a basis for your argument for the Jazz as a whole.Yeah they have a decent offence.. Who cares!!Did you know
there is another part of the game called defence? And the Jazz stink like no
other!Where did our good offence get us last season, or for the last
20? And what is more likely to win you a championship, good offence or
defence?Answer me that Jerry jnr..
Yes 3 points are worth more than 2. And a lot of players shoot a higher
percentage from 3pt range because they practice it more, and their muscle memory
is dialed in for that range. Not only that, but there is actually a line that
says this is your range. But try telling that to Sloan he is to stubborn and set
in his ways to learn. I am not saying this because I want the Jazz to jack up
3pt after 3pt; I am saying it because other teams hurt us bad with the 3pt shot.
And he needs to concede that jazz fans might actually have some valuable
insight, and start using a better scheme for defending the perimeter. I am so
tired of watching guys sag in on defense and then try to race out to defend the
3 after the guy has already spot up and released the ball.
I respect all of you that think Sloans time has come to retire! I believe that
very stronly myself. With numerous trades, buy outs, and a few no renewed
contracts coupled with a new GM, a new coach, and that replacement would be Mr.
Doug Collins who now announces for TNT (he has had a few head coaching jobs and
very recent interviews with contending teams) we could change bad fortunes to
good ones. Period! Let him and his staff (hopefully to include Horny) build us a
new ship to ride.
magnus, You and Hollinger i think are twin brothers and you found this out
through recent search in family trees. He is cool and interesting, but that is
misleading as this new fielding percentage stat in baseball that says Torie
Hunter stinks that he does not get to balls he should., you can stat to death
if you want. That does not tell everything it is just discussion. Stats do not
tell you outdated and inflexible strategies. If we do so well as you say and
Hollinger like top 8, then what would happen with a fast break push hard type of
team? then would be top 5...I am working again that is why i can only post at
@ todd"outdated system" is just a term that haters use as an excuse
to get rid of Sloan, it has no meaning and it has no merit. If a system is
actually outdated and no longer rellevant then it would no longer perform to the
level of newer, more modern systems. Like I said before, I have
challenged you and everyone else here to provide some evidence, some shred of
proof that Sloans system is no longer one of the best in teh league and I will
gladly consider it and even change my tune...And what have I gotten
in response? more baseless assertions.So basically what I am saying
is step up or shut up.
I've seen quite a bit about injuries and defense. I believe that no athlete
wants to be injured, or will stay out longer than they think they should if
injured. Pro athletes want to have careers, not be done for their career in one
bad move by coming back too soon when injured. As far as defense,
flagrant fouls should be eliminated from the game by ejection of the player. Any
elbows thrown or intentional fouls should be penalized by ejection. This is not
the NFL and basketball is not hockey. A great block or a steal is defense.
Hammering someone to stop a layup is not.
Jerry, thank you for your years of service, butI think it's more than time
for a fresh look. Jerry has been good or decent for a long time, and franklythat doesn't cut it for me. I want to be great,and go for the ring.There was no excuse to play Collins overKoufos or Fes in that
series. A blind man could tell you you the Jazz were undersized. There was also no excuse to play Knight over Price when he continued to
struggle game after game. The results speak for themselves, and the
8th seedjust doesn't cut it in this fan's book. Get a new coach or look
for someone else to by my season tickets. I want a change.
Jazz need to get rid of Boozer and AK, and get someone like Chris Bosh.
I've never been a huge Sloan fan because he lost us a championship by pulling
Stockton in the 1st and 3rd quarters of every game like clockwork...in the
FINALS?? Play that boy til he drops...That being said, Sloan
(because of the way the Jazz organization backs him) brings something that FEW
other franchises have....an authority figure that means something. How many
other franchises are run by the PLAYERS, not the coach? The second your
organization allows PLAYERS dictate what the coaches do, you're in the lottery,
and you have 3 new coaches in 2 years.... The organization's
commitment to Sloan is the reason the Jazz have been able to maintain a winning
culture in an era where there are VERY few franchises that have it. As much as
I hate the rigidity of his patterns, as a sports fan, and a true Jazz fan, I can
appreciate what that does for the organization as a whole..
K, Stockton was old by the time they made it to the finals. He could not go 48
minutes a game. you have to rest him and the 2nd and 4 quarters are a lousy time
to do it.
nice post K. very well put.You're absolutely right, when players
have more authority than the coach its the inmates running the assylum, never a
good thing. Unless the inmate is 13 year veteran Bill Russel, then you might be
jerry sloan is old school and is a terrible coach
Go play in the sandbox where your enlightened comments and "outstanding satire"
will be appreciated. The reciepe for success isn't all that difficult. Look at
each player and see who leaves it all on the floor. That eliminates several
players. After that, find the best available players with Sloan's philosophy of
work and develop them. Get rid of Boozer. He is not what the Utah Jazz should be