A 'bitter' parting : Utah Jazz questions need answers in offseason


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  • @ all the "Todds"
    May 14, 2009 7:10 a.m.

    Go play in the sandbox where your enlightened comments and "outstanding satire" will be appreciated. The reciepe for success isn't all that difficult. Look at each player and see who leaves it all on the floor. That eliminates several players. After that, find the best available players with Sloan's philosophy of work and develop them. Get rid of Boozer. He is not what the Utah Jazz should be about.

  • Anonymous
    May 6, 2009 10:34 a.m.

    jerry sloan is old school and is a terrible coach

  • magnus
    May 2, 2009 6:08 p.m.

    nice post K. very well put.

    You're absolutely right, when players have more authority than the coach its the inmates running the assylum, never a good thing. Unless the inmate is 13 year veteran Bill Russel, then you might be ok.

  • Anonymous
    May 2, 2009 5:57 p.m.

    K, Stockton was old by the time they made it to the finals. He could not go 48 minutes a game. you have to rest him and the 2nd and 4 quarters are a lousy time to do it.

  • K
    May 2, 2009 1:56 p.m.

    I've never been a huge Sloan fan because he lost us a championship by pulling Stockton in the 1st and 3rd quarters of every game like clockwork...in the FINALS?? Play that boy til he drops...

    That being said, Sloan (because of the way the Jazz organization backs him) brings something that FEW other franchises have....an authority figure that means something. How many other franchises are run by the PLAYERS, not the coach? The second your organization allows PLAYERS dictate what the coaches do, you're in the lottery, and you have 3 new coaches in 2 years....

    The organization's commitment to Sloan is the reason the Jazz have been able to maintain a winning culture in an era where there are VERY few franchises that have it. As much as I hate the rigidity of his patterns, as a sports fan, and a true Jazz fan, I can appreciate what that does for the organization as a whole.

  • Utah fan
    May 2, 2009 10:17 a.m.

    Jazz need to get rid of Boozer and AK, and get someone like Chris Bosh.

  • Jazz fan
    May 1, 2009 6:47 p.m.

    Jerry, thank you for your years of service, but
    I think it's more than time for a fresh look. Jerry has been good or decent for a long time, and frankly
    that doesn't cut it for me. I want to be great,
    and go for the ring.

    There was no excuse to play Collins over
    Koufos or Fes in that series. A blind man could tell
    you you the Jazz were undersized.

    There was also no excuse to play Knight over Price when he continued to struggle game after game.

    The results speak for themselves, and the 8th seed
    just doesn't cut it in this fan's book. Get a new coach or look for someone else to by my season tickets. I want a change.

  • akboy
    May 1, 2009 10:48 a.m.

    I've seen quite a bit about injuries and defense. I believe that no athlete wants to be injured, or will stay out longer than they think they should if injured. Pro athletes want to have careers, not be done for their career in one bad move by coming back too soon when injured.

    As far as defense, flagrant fouls should be eliminated from the game by ejection of the player. Any elbows thrown or intentional fouls should be penalized by ejection. This is not the NFL and basketball is not hockey. A great block or a steal is defense. Hammering someone to stop a layup is not.

  • magnus
    May 1, 2009 9:44 a.m.

    @ todd

    "outdated system" is just a term that haters use as an excuse to get rid of Sloan, it has no meaning and it has no merit. If a system is actually outdated and no longer rellevant then it would no longer perform to the level of newer, more modern systems.

    Like I said before, I have challenged you and everyone else here to provide some evidence, some shred of proof that Sloans system is no longer one of the best in teh league and I will gladly consider it and even change my tune...

    And what have I gotten in response? more baseless assertions.

    So basically what I am saying is step up or shut up.

  • todd from santa ana
    April 30, 2009 11:25 p.m.

    magnus, You and Hollinger i think are twin brothers and you found this out through recent search in family trees. He is cool and interesting, but that is misleading as this new fielding percentage stat in baseball that says Torie Hunter stinks that he does not get to balls he should., you can stat to death if you want. That does not tell everything it is just discussion. Stats do not tell you outdated and inflexible strategies. If we do so well as you say and Hollinger like top 8, then what would happen with a fast break push hard type of team? then would be top 5...I am working again that is why i can only post at night. late...

  • Lets Get On With It
    April 30, 2009 7:56 p.m.

    I respect all of you that think Sloans time has come to retire! I believe that very stronly myself. With numerous trades, buy outs, and a few no renewed contracts coupled with a new GM, a new coach, and that replacement would be Mr. Doug Collins who now announces for TNT (he has had a few head coaching jobs and very recent interviews with contending teams) we could change bad fortunes to good ones. Period! Let him and his staff (hopefully to include Horny) build us a new ship to ride.

  • 3>2
    April 30, 2009 7:23 p.m.

    Yes 3 points are worth more than 2. And a lot of players shoot a higher percentage from 3pt range because they practice it more, and their muscle memory is dialed in for that range. Not only that, but there is actually a line that says this is your range. But try telling that to Sloan he is to stubborn and set in his ways to learn. I am not saying this because I want the Jazz to jack up 3pt after 3pt; I am saying it because other teams hurt us bad with the 3pt shot. And he needs to concede that jazz fans might actually have some valuable insight, and start using a better scheme for defending the perimeter. I am so tired of watching guys sag in on defense and then try to race out to defend the 3 after the guy has already spot up and released the ball.

  • the Mailman
    April 30, 2009 6:25 p.m.

    @ magnus

    this is your problem. you focus on one aspect of the Jazz (offence) and use that as a basis for your argument for the Jazz as a whole.

    Yeah they have a decent offence.. Who cares!!

    Did you know there is another part of the game called defence? And the Jazz stink like no other!

    Where did our good offence get us last season, or for the last 20? And what is more likely to win you a championship, good offence or defence?

    Answer me that Jerry jnr..

  • magnus
    April 30, 2009 4:42 p.m.

    you are right about this being a poor forum as well.

    I tried to jump over the Des news Message board a while ago because I thought that would be better but it was totally dead so I forgot about it.

  • magnus
    April 30, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    Those two posts about 3pt shots and Defense where in response to this comment from 3:31PM

    "How do you explain the fact that the top ten teams defensively in the NBA also shoot more 3's than the Jazz?"

    I think we do agree, but I also think the Jazz organization is going to wise up to it.

    Don't forget that only 3 or 4 years ago the Jazz were flat out horrible offensively, that's why they brought in Okur and Boozer, they simply didn't have the offensive firepower to compete. Also remember that Boozer was supposed to be an adequate "Karl Malone type" of defender when they got him...we all see how that turned out.

    I have read about the Dork-a-palooza. If I was still in college I would seriously think about doing some graduate studies in statistics and probability and writing a masters thesis on statistical analysis and predictive models in athletics....but I'm happy where I am right now so the drive just isn't there to actually do it.

    I haven't read the NY times piece, I'll have to check it out.

  • Remedial Math
    April 30, 2009 4:30 p.m.

    Also: that should be Carl Landry. Tom Landry is less of a defensive presence these days. :)

  • magnus
    April 30, 2009 4:25 p.m.

    @ Jazz team stats

    You are absolutely right but I would argue that option A) is probably the least effective.

    The Jazz really need to upgrade their personel. if they don't, I don't care who they get to coach, they will never be a good defensive team.

  • Remedial Math
    April 30, 2009 4:22 p.m.

    Clearly there is no correlation; why in the world would those two things be related?

    magnus: have you read the NY Times piece on the Rockets and Shane Battier? Or any of the coverage of the so-called Dork-a-Palooza (the basketball stats summit)? If not, you should, I think you'd enjoy it.

  • Jazz Team Stats/Remedial Math
    April 30, 2009 4:19 p.m.

    magnus: This is really a poor forum for this discussion, because I think we're closer to being on the same page than it appears, and the moderation system here just puts too big of a delay between posts...

    You said: "I'll give you 5 reasons why the Rockets are a better defensive team than the Jazz.

    Yao Ming
    Louis Scola
    Shane Battier
    Ron Artest
    Tom Landry

    Thats 4 hard nosed, top notch, defensive players and a guy who's 7'6" tall, and they where all good defensive players before they played for the Rockets.

    Now lets name the good hard-nosed defensive players on the Jazz team.... "

    That's your point, and it's also my point. It's not just coaching, it's an organizational philosophy. With the exception of Yao Ming, the other 4 players you mentioned were recent acquisitions. They were acquired precisely because of their defensive skills. The Rockets know how to evaluate defensive play. I contend that the Jazz do not.

    I'm no Rockets fan boy, but I like the approach their organization is taking to analyzing the game of basketball. I wish the Jazz would follow suit.

  • magnus
    April 30, 2009 4:16 p.m.

    Top 10 defensive teams (3pt attempts ranking)

    Orlando (2)
    Boston (21)
    Cleveland (5)
    Houston (4)
    LA (15)
    San Antonio (10)
    Charlotte (22)
    Denver (17)
    New Orleans (14)
    Portland (12)

    Top 10 teams in 3pt attempts (defensive rank)

    New York (24)
    Orlando (1)
    New Jersey (23)
    Indiana (19)
    Cleveland (3)
    Houston (4)
    Atlanta (11)
    Dallas (17)
    Miami (13)
    San Antonio (6)

    you guys are right, there is a strong correlation between good defense and shooting more three's...

    no question...


    I concede the point.

  • magnus
    April 30, 2009 3:58 p.m.

    @ @ magnus

    Statistically speaking, Paul is as good as Magic, and statistically is the only way Hollinger ever speaks, so you take it in the spirit in which it is intended.

    maybe the fact that the top 10 defensive teams shoot more threes than the Jazz has somethign to do with the fact that almost every team shoots more threes than the Jazz.

    And before you declare victory and jump on your high horse to ride off into the sunset, I think you should know that the 10 worst defensive teams in the league also all shot more 3's than the Jazz did.

    you got any other theories you want to try out?

  • Jazz Team Stats
    April 30, 2009 3:54 p.m.

    @magnus: Remedial Math was my post as well.

    Hollinger's rule of thumb is looking pretty good this year. It's worth noting that Boston was 6th in the Offensive rankings.

    All I'm trying to say is that he Jazz just aren't a good enough defensive team to compete for the title, not when you've got teams like Boston, L.A. and Cleveland who can get it done on both ends of the floor.

    Furthermore I'm not sure the current coaches or management know how to make the Jazz a better defensive team.

    I'm generalizing here, but I think you either:

    A) Improve your scouting and defensive schemes (coaching)

    B) Improve your personnel from without (acquire new players)

    C) Improve your personnel from within (player development)

    If the Jazz can't acquire new players (looks doubtful) and have shown little evidence of (A) or (C) on the defensive side of the ball then where does that leave them? I'm very concerned that Sloan doesn't have an accurate sense of which players on his team are playing good defense. He stresses defense, but does he know it when he sees it?

  • pj
    April 30, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    That's a good point. Most of the best defensive teams also shoot the most 3's. Enough so that it can't be coincidence.

  • @ magnus
    April 30, 2009 3:31 p.m.

    Hollinger also said that Chris Paul is as good as Magic was, and clearly that's true...cough.

    But anyway, you really think that how you play offense has no impact on the defensive end? You really think you can divide that in two in such a simplistic way? *pats you on the head* Well, maybe you and Sloan can, but that's why you both probably still think the earth is flat.

    Every aspect of the game affects every other aspect. How do you explain the fact that the top ten teams defensively in the NBA also shoot more 3s than the Jazz? Wait, don't try to grasp the intricacies of that, you'll just hurt yourself.

  • magnus
    April 30, 2009 3:28 p.m.

    @ re:re: remedial math

    I can see that argument but do you really even know what the Rockets philosophy is? and whether or not it is even "modern theory" and not something Adleman learned from a mentor 15 or 20 years ago when he was an assistant coach? Or do you just think it must be better and newer because the Rockets are a better defensive team?

    I'll give you 5 reasons why the Rockets are a better defensive team than the Jazz.

    Yao Ming
    Louis Scola
    Shane Battier
    Ron Artest
    Tom Landry

    Thats 4 hard nosed, top notch, defensive players and a guy who's 7'6" tall, and they where all good defensive players before they played for the Rockets.

    Now lets name the good hard-nosed defensive players on the Jazz team....

    Ronnie Brewer???
    Maybe Paul Millsap?
    AK used to be...

    I think you get my point.

  • magnus
    April 30, 2009 3:10 p.m.

    @ Jazz Team Stats

    Thank you!

    I think I remember Hollinger saying that, in General, if a team is top 5 in both categories or the best in one and top 10 in the other he generally considers them to be an "elite" team.

    The Jazz clearly were not an elite this year. Last year they were much better (1st or 2nd offense, 12th Defense) but still not quite there.

    I'm waiting for some haters to step up to the plate...




  • re: re: remedial math
    April 30, 2009 3:00 p.m.

    Ad Hominem attacks are a pretty clear sign you have little faith in your argument. What is your argument anyway? That since the Jazz beat the Rockets last year and the year before and therefore anything the Rockets do is inferior to how the Jazz do things?

    The Rockets have their own problems, but they are a better defensive team than the Jazz by any measurement.

    My argument is that the Jazz would be better with their current roster if they applied a more modern defensive theory like that used by the Houston Rockets (and other teams).

  • re: remedial math
    April 30, 2009 1:22 p.m.

    You could use a version of your own class evidently.

    The Jazz have knocked the Rockets out of the playoffs the previous 2 years before this one. Chances are we would have done it again this season.

    I know what I have shared is complex but try to follow the logic.

    Sure the Jazz need to defend but this injury riddled team was not that far from getting 2nd seed in the W. Conference. If we would have had even an average injury year we would have finished ahead of most all of these other teams that you think are superior.

    I am surprised you could spell remedial math since you obviously never attended the class.

  • Jazz Team Stats
    April 30, 2009 12:04 p.m.

    If you trust John Hollinger's Team stats (I generally do) the Jazz ranked 9th this season is offensive efficiency, which is defined as Points scored per 100 possessions. Note that this metric accounts for pace (roughly the number of possessions in a give game), so a team that like Houston that plays slower should be on equal footing with someone like Phoenix.

    The Jazz ranked 12th in Defensive Efficiency (points allowed per 100 possessions).

    The top 5 Offensive teams on the list:

    1. Phoenix
    2. Portland
    3. Lakers
    4. Cleveland
    5. Dallas

    The top 5 Defensive teams:

    1. Orlando
    2. Boston
    3. Cleveland
    4. Houston
    5. Lakers

    Just to reiterate, the Jazz are 9th and 12th on those lists. Decent rankings, but nothing that's likely to win you a title. By contrast I think it's no coincidence that Cleveland and the Lakers are the Finals favorites and appear in the top 5 on both lists.

  • magnus
    April 30, 2009 11:57 a.m.


    Nobody is going to step up.

    I called you out, I threw down the gauntlet, and all I get is a full page of all caps truthiness from Todd.

    somebody man up and show me something...

    A stat showing that the Jazz offense is innefective in certain situations...

    A stat showing that the Jazz not shooting threes is putting them at a dissatvantage against teams that shot more threes...

    A quote from a reputable Basketball analyst/player/coach/GM to back up your theories...


    you guys are no fun

  • CL
    April 30, 2009 10:47 a.m.

    Re BR: I agree. If Sloan would take a different attitude with his young players and try to develope them it would make a big difference.
    Fes and KK need playing time to develope. They will make mistakes but live with it and let them develope. It will benifit the Jazz in the long run. Sloan just can't get himself to play young players and let them make mistakes and learn from it.
    If he really does want to see what he can do to coach better, he needs to look at how to develope his young players better. We lack defense and especially defensein the paint and Fes and KK could provide that if Sloan would play them and be positive with them. He doesn't build confidence in players, he's negative in his coaching style. If he can't see it and change, he needs to retire.

  • Bgomer
    April 30, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    @Todd...good news I heard that if Stockton and Horny don't want to replace Jerry you're next.

    Jerry's offensive system is unbelievable. How the Jazz have been so consistently competitive over the years is matched by only a few teams in the league, most of which are in the biggest markets.

    I think the biggest thing the Jazz lack is focus. There is not a single player on this team that knows what it takes to win. When we were a less talented team but had Fisher (even though I don't like him) we were much more focused, and played harder everyday, and accomplished a lot more. If we could bring in one veteran leader (which are hard to find) I think that is the single most important piece we are missing. Look what Billups did for Denver, he was a downgrade in talent, upgrade in leadership and focus and they are the only legit threat against the lakers in the west this year.

    Jerry can't lead, he can't get the players to play hard, thats not his role, this isn't high school sports. Your dealing with 20yrold multimillionaires. Players Lead.

  • todd from santa ana
    April 30, 2009 1:34 a.m.








  • todd from santa ana
    April 30, 2009 1:22 a.m.

    those last several posts were not by me guys. Please print this.....

  • magnus
    April 30, 2009 1:13 a.m.

    @ the Mailman

    I will defend Sloan to the hilt, against critisisms that have no basis in truth.

    And don't even try to bring up logic here...there is obviously no place for it.

    I said it on the other page, playing Price over Knight or Knight over Price is a non-issue. You are delusional if you think that playing Kosta or Fes over Collins or Price over Knight would have resulted in even one more win for the Jazz. The amount of time that those guys played and the contributions they were capable of were miniscule in the scope of the other problems the Jazz had. To me that is just another thing to complain about for Jazz fans who already complain way too much.

  • magnus
    April 30, 2009 1:03 a.m.

    @ complexity 101

    You know what I am incapable of understanding?

    how it is that when by every statistical measure the Jazz have one of the best and most efficient offenses in the league, year in and year out, Jazz fans like yourself insist that his system isn't working and that it is somehow outdated. Especially when it is plainly obvious that the Jazz problems have nothing to do with their offense.

    I've presented mountains of proof that the Jazz have one of the best and most efficient offenses in the league, so now it's time for one of you geniuses to step up and prove me wrong.

    Go ahead, give it a try.

    Just saing "oh there are complexities of the 3 that make it better to shoot more" isn't going to cut it. I want to see some hard evidence that the Jazz are somehow hurting themselves or falling behind the rest of the league because they are not shooting more 3's.

    I'm listening, and I'm open minded, but you gotta give me something more than hand waiving and truthiness.

  • B.R.
    April 29, 2009 11:24 p.m.

    If Sloan would smell the coffee, Fes and Koufos could BOTH be developed into absolute animals in the paint. Both offensively and defensively. He definately could try to get Mark Eaton or someone to work with them if he does'nt have the time, patients or whatever.

  • Sloanaholics
    April 29, 2009 11:23 p.m.

    Whether or not Sloan is a good coach is not the question. The key question is "Sloan the best coach for the Jazz at this point"?

    Magnus is right in substance. Sloan is a very good coach. He also have several biases that lose 6 to 10 games a year.

    This Jazz team can play defense when they want to. However, there are several defensive weaknesses and some offensive weaknesses in the Sloan system.

    Part of the problem is the players (Boozer, Okur inside but also Brewer and Korver outside). They are slow and don't stay in front of their man. Part of the problem is getting out rebounded by tall aggressive teams.

    Part of the problem is Sloan packing the paint and leaving the 3 wide open. Not to mention getting killed on fast breaks since DWill and Brewer are trying to get offensive rebounds. Part of the problem is not using the younger players enough. The Jazz have depth and Sloan would not use it but ran Okur and Millsap into the ground. He also played Collins.

    LA has more talent than the Jazz. They also have a higher salary cap.

    Nothing will change.

  • kudos b.r.
    April 29, 2009 10:03 p.m.

    thats what I have been saying along use the young centers and there fouls ,and when kobe and his homies drive to the rim knock em down on the hardwood.

  • B.R.
    April 29, 2009 9:34 p.m.

    You guy's are missing the same thing Jerry Sloan missed. Fes and Koufos in the paint. Ronnie Price at backup point.

  • LTV
    April 29, 2009 9:12 p.m.

    Until the jazz learn how to win on the road, they will continue to be mediocre at best. Time for Sloan to go as he's taken this team as far as it can go with him. The jazz need to learn how to become road warriors.


  • the Mailman
    April 29, 2009 7:22 p.m.

    Haha good stuff guys, lots of laughs so far,
    eg: Todd and his Glory Road..

    Seriously though there was a very telling comment in that article when Sloan said something along the lines of the Jazz having acheived alot by winning 48 games this season.
    I think that is the difference between Sloan and his admirers and the rest of us.

    For them 48 wins is a good effort with all the injuries they had..

    For us, it was a 1st round exit with a full team (yeah Memo was hobbled but so was Bynum) that got worse when they got everyone back.. and another season like the last 20.

    Magnus you make me laugh, in one post when we talk about Price and his lack of minutes you say Sloan should go and then in another you defend him to the hilt. Haha i suppose logic cant be your friend when you argue for a lost cause..

  • Jazz Fans need to stop talking
    April 29, 2009 7:14 p.m.

    When you have a winning team then you can mouth off about the Lakers.

    I don't want to read one more thing about how much you hate Kobe and the Lakers anymore. Jazz fans have to be some of the most "mouthy" I have ever seen. I have read so many comments on here about how "arrogant" the Laker fans are. I think it's the reverse!

    You don't support your team even when they are good. No wonder Karl Malone left Utah to try and get a championship ring.

    You may hate Kobe and Fisher but they have hearts of a champion! (even if they don't win this year...they play like it...especially Kobe)... Hate Kobe all you want he will haunt the Jazz until he retires!

  • Rudy
    April 29, 2009 6:48 p.m.

    I do not understand all the sloan lovers. You take the coach that had the worst record in the nba and give him the Jazz players and he would win at least 48 games.

    This team is very talented, but jerry refuses to make changes to his defense/offense to suit his players and team and Management refuses to take a risk to make this team a championship team. I guess everybody in the front office and the sloan lovers are just happy to be in the playoffs. As long as they sell a lot of tickets and beer they are happy to be average.

  • complexity 101
    April 29, 2009 6:15 p.m.

    Sloan and magnus are obviously incapable or understanding the complexities involved in the 3pt shot. It isn't just about effective FG%, there are many other factors such as rebounding after a missed 3, the ability to stop fast breaks after a missed 3 vs missed layup, etc. An offense that doesn't properly use the 3 is also much easier to disrupt over a 7 game series, which is why nobody else uses Sloan's system.

  • JR
    April 29, 2009 5:46 p.m.

    Without the Jerry Sloan, the Jazz would be the Millwakee (sp?) Bucks of the west. A bunch of moderate players with moderate coaches and a winning season once every 10 years.

  • magnus
    April 29, 2009 4:48 p.m.

    @ Remedial Math

    You are absolutely right about effective FG% and NBA defensive theory, which tells me you at least know a little about basketball, I guess thats why I am surprised that you would throw the blame entirely on Sloan.

    You mentioned effective FG%... If the Jazz effective FG% is in the top 5 in the league every year (and it is), then why would they need to do anything different offensively?

    Defensively you are absolutely right, but how much of that is Sloan, and how much of that is players?

    I can gaurantee you that if the Jazz traded Boozer or Okur for Marcus Camby the defensive ability of the Jazz would go from average to good overnight. Would that be because Sloan is a great defensive coach? No. It would be because they had a player that could defend the paint.

    No amount of learning or 21st century philosophies will ever compensate for a lack of ability. Right now, defensively, the Jazz have a lack of ability. They actually were decent defensively this year when Boozer was out and AK and Millsap were playing so well.

  • Jazz Cop
    April 29, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    Memo must go. Bottom line, he's one of the worst defenders in the league, I like what he does on offense, but get a center who can punish people inside, and a guard who can shoot it, lights out. Memo is the best shooter on the team, but I'd rather see the jazz have their center be their best defender, than what memo is. It's ironic, the worst defender is the center, the next worse defender is the power foward? What? Preferably, you'd want those guys to be the two best defenders.

  • Remedial Math
    April 29, 2009 4:19 p.m.

    Until someone teaches Jerry that 3pt shots are worth 50% more than 2pt shots the Jazz will continue to struggle on both ends of the court. They give up way too many open threes on defense and don't create enough *open* threes on offense.

    Smarter defensive teams (like the Rockets) have realized that you need to concentrate on defending the paint and outside the 3-pt line, since those two areas are where teams shoot the highest *effective FG%* (look it up if you don't know the term). The idea is that if you concede a shot you're better off if it's a long 2.

    The Jazz do the opposite. They contest nothing in the paint (and often commit stupid and-1 type fouls) and double off 3-pt shooters.

    Until this team learns to play 21st century defense they'll be stuck right about where they are.

  • WinSum
    April 29, 2009 4:14 p.m.

    Jerry Sloan is a great coach...has done an awfully lot for the Jazz and Utah. Utah is fortunate to have him.....

  • Anonymous
    April 29, 2009 3:48 p.m.

    until jazz coach figures enough is enough then they will always be mediocre at best. they need a brand new coaching staff and some different players altogether. until that type of change happens then i'll just look forward to nba draft every year, at least it's unpredictable and you don't know what team is picking what player. jazz should build around williams since he's proven that he can create his own shot and get the ball to someone open. that's mainly why lakers doubled him every possesion is cuz he's that good. sloan needs to do his part and COACH and let williams run the floor and make the decisions. jazz ARE starting to get better because of willams and only thing missing is a few role players and some size and some height. price needs to be the main backup, keep AK, memo, millsap, and a couple of others and either make some trades or use the draft to your advantage.

  • Idaho Fan
    April 29, 2009 3:24 p.m.

    The key to the Jazz having a successful offseason is if they can get out of Kirilenko's contract. I love Andrei, but not for that price tag. We need to use that money for Millsap and a good solid inside defender. Having a defensive-minded 5 will make Boozer look so much better, plus will be a good compliment to Okur. That is all we need. We need Booz and Okur, but not necessarily AK for that kind of money. We are closer than everybody thinks.

  • 22
    April 29, 2009 3:01 p.m.

    I think that the jazz need to get rid of booze and AK and if they could put milsap in as power forward and get a reasonable center then they could actually go for the ring! i think milsap has alot more heart than booz does!

  • Amazing
    April 29, 2009 2:20 p.m.

    that the people of Utah will keep supporting an activity like the Jazz. Why do they do it? I suppose the need for self inflicted pain.

  • ACE
    April 29, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    The Jazz are enjoyable to watch, and a class organization. All they need is a way to win a few more road games. This year if they won 6 more games anywhere, they would have been the 2nd seed and still playing ball. If I were Kevin O'Connor, I would roll out a compensation bonus that starts only when they win 48 games, that pays 5 or 6 times the amount for each win away from home as the games at home. If they don't win on the road...it costs nothing. If they DO win on the road, it pays for itself with more home games since we won't be seeded 8th and will then win more games. This league and especially the West is a game of millimeters. A few small differences even in this injury plagued season would have made a massive difference.

  • Lakers are America's team
    April 29, 2009 1:11 p.m.

    Even your announcer said that on 570 sports here in LA. You gotta love the lakers! As we journey on down the road to the finals.

  • Tom B
    April 29, 2009 12:45 p.m.

    Injuries hurt the Jazz this year big time and that was their biggest problem. The Jazz player stable is still one of the best in the league, so try and keep them around. There are no bad actors. Remember, just a few years ago, the mighty Kobe and his Lakers team were eliminated in the first round. Look where that team is now. Keep the roster as is but maybe try and bring in a ringer (like Jeff Hornacek); that helped John and Karl more than people think. Also--the Jazz should practice free throws--hate to see games lost at the line. Still, the Jazz reamain one of the truly class teams in the NBA, and I will continue to support them.

  • IL. Jazz-fan
    April 29, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    Jerry's had a tough year, the Fans have had a tough year. I'm anxious to see what this offseason will result in. It's up to Kevin O to see that the pieces are in place for this team to move on. IT's jerry's job to use what he's given. TRUST ME WHEN I SAY, "Jerry Sloan has coached this bunch of semi-soft talented party boys better than anybody else could have." It's discipline that teaches college drop outs to be a team, not freewheeling, one on one drills...see Golden State & NJ & Clippers for proof!
    THE Jazz are consistently in the playoffs...don't get spoiled! The Road losses are due to our team's lack of maturity...I bet the strip clubs know Dwill & Brewer by heart! Milsap better keep his nose clean or he'll be a flash in the pan too...between him & Boozer, they couldn't guard a statue!

  • todd from santa ana
    April 29, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    No No! You all have it wrong...

    You are missing the point

    If we keep Boozer, Knight, and Collins this happens:

    1. Less turnovers and shots by knight
    2. Power Dunks from Boozer and great Defense
    3. Collins is a beast in the middle and has a fabulous 20 foot jumper
    4. Knight can thread the needle-meaning for all you non basketball players, can pass the ball between a freight train

    Glory Road, Glory Road, Glory Road

  • Todd jr
    April 29, 2009 11:31 a.m.

    My thoughts....

    jazz need to...

    Get Lebron
    Get Kobe
    Get Dwight Howard
    Get Amare Stodamire
    Keep Deron

    THATS the ket to glory road

  • re: anonymous @ 8.34
    April 29, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    I appreciate the name calling.
    Typical sloan lover.

  • Todd
    April 29, 2009 10:58 a.m.

    That's our key to the toilet bowl

  • Sloan is DONE
    April 29, 2009 10:47 a.m.

    Sloan is the Best | 8:25 a.m. April 29, 2009
    "The Jazz are not that far off from being a great team."

    That's like saying AIG, GM, and Chrysler are not that from being great companies again.

    Sloan is stuck in the 80-90s basketball its time for new leadership just like at AIG, GM, and Chrysler.

  • Todd from SA said....
    April 29, 2009 10:44 a.m.

    Re sign Boozer to 5 years!!!! Why? Who is going to defenbd for him. Boozer does not get it. He is injury prone, lacks heart, and cannot deal with the defenders in his area of assignment. What can it take to make a great and dedicated player out of him???? Work on that one Todd. Tell us. I think you are off target and maybe working for the Lakers.

  • todd from salta laka
    April 29, 2009 10:34 a.m.

    My thoughts...

    Lakers need to:

    Re-sign Adam Morrision for 50 years
    Re-sign Andrew Bynum for 30 years
    Re-sign Phil Jackson for 50 years

    Fire Kobe
    Fire Pau
    Fire Odome

    That's our key to the Glory Road

  • magnus
    April 29, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    @ Cleetorn

    So what you are telling me is that if your closest family member and best freind in the world died and then your Boss, who gave you your job and was also a good freind, also died.... or say your wife left you and took your children and you were caught in an ugly divorce... or just say you got injured and where physically unable to work for several months....

    you honesly think you would just "roll with the punches" and be the same productive person you were before any of those thing happened?

    Right, sure you would.

    @ Deadweight

    Actually, I thought AK was playing really well and looked happy until his ankle injury got so bad it required surgery. He was a warrior and came back form surgery in 3 weeks!!! Unfortuantely after that he seemed to have lost some fire.

    Furthermore, if you honestly think he brings nothing to the Jazz you need to learn a little bit more about the game of basketball.

    @ Answers

    Boozer probably will leave, but the Jazz won't be better for it. Quite the opposite, Boozer is the second best player on the team, and losing him will hurt.

  • AK
    April 29, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    Put on 30 lbs so you can actually survive in the middle

  • so close
    April 29, 2009 10:09 a.m.

    Jerry's system is built around having a strong point guard/power forward combo.I think they have that with D-Will and Booze. What is lacking is a true center and a consistent SG. If we can get the right fit at those positions, we're a legitimate contender.

    Win or lose, I love watching the Jazz!But I'd much rather win.

  • todd from santa ana
    April 29, 2009 10:00 a.m.

    My thoughts...

    Jazz need to:

    Re-sign Knight to 5 years
    Re-sign Collins to 3 years
    Re-sign Boozer to 5 years

    Fire Okur
    Fire Millsap
    Fire Brewer

    That's our key to the Glory Road

  • Appreciate being a Jazz Fan
    April 29, 2009 9:29 a.m.

    The whiners need to stop. Be grateful for having one of the winningest franchises in history in what could be the least attractive market to big names. As long as the "Jerry" style ball is being played in Utah they will continue to have a chance to be great, to be Champions! Every player on this team has benefited from Jerry Sloan. Boozer would be like Drew Gooden without Sloan and even D-will would be more like Andre Miller without Sloan. He makes these guys great! Stop whining and realize success comes long term and not in one year, we have had lots of success as Jazz fans!

    April 29, 2009 9:22 a.m.


  • Deadweight
    April 29, 2009 9:19 a.m.

    The biggest disappointment this year was AK. His play all season, until the last playoff game, was lackluster and uninspired. For being the highest paid player on the team, he brought absolutely nothing to the court. It was his bonehead mistakes in the Miami game that cost us the game. I don't know what happened to the AK of 1 and 2 years ago, but he showed the team and the fans this year that he just didn't care, so I think the fans and management need to return the favor and let him know that we no longer care, and he can take himself and his big salary elsewhere. And he can take Okur with him.

  • Richard
    April 29, 2009 9:14 a.m.

    I am not sure why everything has to be bitter or disappointing. I love the Jazz...love watching them play and and glad to have players that are basically good citizens setting good examples and doing good things in our community. I don't care if they win a championship...yea...I like it when they win...but they bring much more than just winning to the table. This is not a bitter season for me...they have provided much enjoyment and I will continue to support them. Go Jazz...and thanks to all the players and coaches...please know that you are appreciated at many different levels...not just as ball players and coaches.

  • casual fan
    April 29, 2009 9:13 a.m.

    I think the coach ought to go back to Illinois to the farm and get as far away from the Jazz as he can for a few weeks. He deserves some time to rest and relax. I would also say it's vital to his well-being to do so. Basketball just isn't that important.

  • Anonymous
    April 29, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    jerry sloan may be a lot of things, but, he's not a coward.

  • Anonymous
    April 29, 2009 8:34 a.m.

    You're a coward.

  • Cleetorn
    April 29, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    I would dearly love to see the Jazz do something really great. But year after year, they fail to perform up to their capabilities. If this is how I did my job, I would have been demoted or replaced years ago. Everybody has problems they have to deal with. We are expected to roll with the punches and stay productive. Where's the incentive for pro ball players? Though they may be missing that coveted "ring," they still rake in their multi-million dollar contracts without blinking an eye. What a racket!

  • Sloan is the Best
    April 29, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    I love the fact that Sloan is a hard nosed no nonsense get're done coach. He never makes excuses, he takes credit when things don't go well, and he never gives up.

    To have survived 20 years as a head coach in any professional sport is amazing in and of itself. I get tired of all the whiners. The Jazz are a good team in a small market. The Jazz are not that far off from being a great team. Time to reload, not explode the Jazz. Now get're done Jazz!

  • Anonymous
    April 29, 2009 8:15 a.m.

    I didn't know funeral arrangements kept him from replacing Collins and Knight as backups.

  • Hey, Anonymous
    April 29, 2009 8:09 a.m.

    DWill averaged just under 20 points a game this season and is the team's leading scorer. Maybe if he had some help on defense, he wouldn't have to try and do it all every game. And you need to learn how to spell his name, troll.

  • Anonymous
    April 29, 2009 7:44 a.m.

    Somebody tell Derron to stay away from the tattoo parlors this off season, and work on his shooting. He needs shooting practice way more than he needs more ugly tattoos plastered all over his body.

  • MUtah
    April 29, 2009 7:35 a.m.

    What a tough year for the Jazz - on the court and definitely off the court. As human beings whats gone on has to wear on you .... i'm proud of how well they did. Hope they get healthy, get the distractions out of the way and get on to a better year next season!