To me this is an issue of integrity. Had Brother Huntsman came out in support
of civil unions prior to either of his two elections, I would have a much higher
respect for him. Coming out afterwards makes me feel like perhaps we have a
wolf in sheep's clothing. Sincerely.
It is amazing to me that people are willing to split the Republican party over
"civil unions" or whatever. Can I just remind everybody who visits these boards
that gay people are something like 5-10% of the population. you'd think that
half of America is gay by the obsession that gay issues have in Utah. let's
focus on issues that affect the majority of people: the economy, health care,
national defense, education.
It is interesting that so many condemn the cancellation of the Governors
appearance. If he were a Democrat who did not support civil unions he would not
be allowed to speak anywhere.At least the Democrats can stand for
something even if it is that everything is acceptable as long as you do not
Huntsman and so many others should have followed Abraham Lincolns advice.
"...never sell an old friend for an old enemy." We gain nothing and loose a
whole lot by selling our values, in the hopes of gaining something or someone.
That something or someone will almost always be an old enemy!
"Huntsman's "gay agenda?" You people are insane!Does he LOOK gay to
you?!"So tell me, what does a gay look like?Do you even
know any gays?
People become weird because of the choices they make. If everyone did
everything he or she felt like doing, we would live in complete anarchy and
chaos. That's why society shouldn't reward weird, unproductive, selfish
behavior based on urges (i.e. homosexuality, masturbation, viewing pornography,
etc.), but incentivize people to choose to engage in productive behavior (i.e.
heterosexual marriage) that will result in a populated, stronger, healthier
Thank you for standing up to a rino. It's the rino's that killed our party and
by standing up to them they will be replaced by those who share GOP values and
we will return.However, I do believe that gays, polygamist, and
other groups should all have the opportunity for civil unions. Just don't call
it a marriage.
They can't hear the other sideWeird People should be married to each
otherNot your familyGot That ????
Whittle away, whittle away. You and the southern conservatives. Do you really
believe the Huckabee crowd is going to accept you. The conservative movement is
so pure it's down to nearly one in five Americans who call themselves
Republicans. Be careful, this is not Ezra Taft Benson Republican party that you
remember. Utah Republicans are going to be on an island. Good luck, because
this nation needs a two party system as badly as Utah does. If you want to lay
with dogs don't complain about the fleas.
Although I'm extremely disappointed in the Governor (for a number of reasons), I
don't think he should have been disinvited. That's kind of tacky.However, I don't think he has a snowball's chance of even getting the
Republican nomination for President let alone getting elected. Quite frankly,
if it came between him and Mitt Romney, I don't think he could even win in Utah.
Huntsman understands the real world and civil rights are for all Americans.
What a mistake by the GOP extreme to continue this battle over a true civil
rights issue. The GOP talks like the DEMO before the Civil War. Lincoln was
for civil rights and he has to be the greatest Preident in GOP history if not
all of USA history. WAKE UP people it is time to look forward not back. I am
so thankful I grew up in the 60's & 70's when we had the courage to stand up for
change. (I VOTE GOP for PRESIDENT)
Democrats just hate and insult everyone who doesn't think like them, especially
any religious coservative.If Reid were ever to stand for true LDS
values and principles you would see, but as long as he supports the liberal
democrats views, or doesn;t speak out against them, he passes muster with
them.Evangelists may have some doctrinal disagreements wtih
Mormons,but on most issues, especially politically, they actually
agree.So it is NOT republicans that hate or have bigotry problems
towards mormons its just some evangelists.But democrats are much
Your post is a typical leftist reaction to common sense- let the emotions and
insults fly with zero logic to back them up. Are you going to dispute my claims
or just resort to name-calling?
Huntsman is a great leader that has the foresight to negotiate and lead. The
original GOP was not conservative extremists, they were moderate WIGS! The GOP
are a bunch of losers and until they pull their war monger heads out of the
sand, they are through!
When will LDS say enough to the Evangelical Republican insults? First they
slimed Romney and now Huntsman. Please notice that the Democrats never insult
Brother Harry Reid, pro-life, faithful LDS that they elected as their leader in
the Senate. Time for LDS to wake up and send the Republicans a
message not to take us for granted.
"As for the children that they want to adopt or have artificially born to them,
they are the real victims of these types of relationships since they are brought
up into this type of environment. One that isn't natural or normal."And keeping their gay parents from marrying each other is another cross that
these children must bear. Why do we want to punish them by making their homes
less stable? Aren't we suppose to protect all children? Why aren't you helping
For Pete's sake!"I would have no problems with civil unions for gays
as long as there was a way to keep them from adopting."There is not
a state in this union that keeps gays from adopting! It has nothing to do with
gay marriage or civil unions!You are talking about a brand new law
that hasn't yet been vetted or voted on anywhere. Please separate gay marriage
from the gay adoption delemma in your mind. Thanks.
"By the way Anonymous: Some people will never accept same-sex perversion as
mainstream!"You don't need to accept it any more than you need to
accept drinking, gambling or smoking as legal activities. Because
we live under the constitution, we believe that ALL AMERICANS, even those who do
not live like you think they should, have equal rights.
To 12:29 pmYou are a sick and twisted fascist. I hope someday you
have the learning experience of being discriminated against the way you are
doing to others. You disgust me.
Huntsman's "gay agenda?" You people are insane!Does he LOOK gay to
Is Governor Huntsman Mormon?
Huntsman might be a closet gay? He supports them and civil unions so much it's
scary! I think he has his eye on the whitehouse my friends... Keep your eye on
the run for 2012, why else would he support McCain? Because he knew how old he
was and wanted to be the Vice or his hand picked next in line to run for
Republican President. He is starting to look more and more worldly with his new
Liquor laws he pushed for the state, and this "Civil Union" thing, Watch him, he
will be running for president, watch and see!
I appreciate your thoughtful comment. I would have no problems with civil unions
for gays as long as there was a way to keep them from adopting. They argue that
their unions aren't hurting anyone and always fall back on the "consenting
adults" argument as if that is the bottom line to what should or shouldn't be
allowed. As for the children that they want to adopt or have artificially born
to them, they are the real victims of these types of relationships since they
are brought up into this type of environment. One that isn't natural or normal.
Pete in Texas
"We should not allow homosexuals to adopt because the definitive cause of
homosexual urges (nature vs. nurture or a mix thereof) is unknown. That being
the case, it is in society's best interest to require that children be raised by
heterosexual couples, to assure that homosexual influence on the nurture side is
avoided as much as possible until adulthood."You are advocating
something that has nothing to do with gay marriage. Gays can and are adopting
children right here in UTAH! The only stipulation is that they MUST BE SINGLE.
Isn't that silly?Gay couples in California can and do adopt children
all the time. In fact, it is a law that they cannot be discriminated against by
a public adoption agency.Are you advocating taking all children from
gay couples? You say that they should be raised in heterosexual families, but
what about those children who actually have one gay parent and are being raised
by them and their partner? Take them away? You sound a little
un-American to me.
I agree with Huntsman will follow Specter... It won't be long until Huntsman,
McCain and many other appeasing RINO's will jump and join the Pelosi, Reid
crowd.It is time to either form a 3rd party or reconstruct the Repub
Party from the ground up if necessary.By the way Anonymous: Some
people will never accept same-sex perversion as mainstream!
"It's very simple- our future depends on a population increase and homosexuals
in committed homosexual relationships CAN'T procreate. Sure, they can live
together and contribute to society through community involvement, but they can
do that without being married."So, if you ban gay marriage, all the
homosexuals will start procreating? This doesn't make sense. What are you
"For me, the biggest issue is children, which gays can't have except by adoption
or artificial means."Stopping Gay marriage will not keep gays from
having and raising children. They already do this with or without marriage.
Gay marriage has NOTHING to do with gay adoption, or gays raising children. All
it does is keep these children from being raised the the most stable environment
that they can.
everyone would stop using the Dem vs Rep like we are on some kind of team. We
belong to America which was founded on principles. I wish we would refer to
those principles not what one party or man can do for "me" The word conservative
or liberal has no meaning anymore. All the words are all mushed in together. I
love to hear people that are founded on constitutional ideas and principles
comments and bring us back where many years ago we once were. I challenge
everyone commenting here to read the constitution and treat it as a sacred
document. Study the document and see what direction we have really gone.
The real anti-gay marriage movement has nothing to do with religion and
everything to do with procreation. It's very simple- our future depends on a
population increase and homosexuals in committed homosexual relationships CAN'T
procreate. Sure, they can live together and contribute to society through
community involvement, but they can do that without being married.We
should not allow homosexuals to adopt because the definitive cause of homosexual
urges (nature vs. nurture or a mix thereof) is unknown. That being the case, it
is in society's best interest to require that children be raised by heterosexual
couples, to assure that homosexual influence on the nurture side is avoided as
much as possible until adulthood.Bottom line: we need to incentivize
monogamous, heterosexual marriage while continuing to give people who choose to
practice homosexual behavior or any other form of legal sexual behavior the
right to do so. In that scenario (actuality), everyone has the same rights
regarding sexual behavior, no unproductive alternatives to heterosexual marriage
are incentivized, and no confusion exists about the requirements or numbers of
parties that can enter into marriage. One eligible man, one eligible woman.
The Grand Old Party is well know for core values, principles and steadfastness.
We are not a party that conduct polls to determine what our values should be.
We do not poll and then switch parties if it does not look good.The
party will prevail because of the consistency - or the nation will teeter even
closer to loosing more than just dignity.
If the Republican Party truly returns to its roots: Individual liberty,
equality, and limited government, then Republicans should be the FIRST in line
to support same-sex marriage! The fact that the Republican Party has been
hijacked by religious fanatics who want to override the principles of equality
and liberty with religious fanaticism is exactly why the Republican Party is in
decline and will not recover unless it abandons religious bigotry!
It's good to hear from all the "small tent" republicans. By marginalizing
themselves with their extreme right wing beliefs they are allowing the Democrats
to claim parts of the huge moderate middle. Maybe now we can get some traction
on liberal issues like health care, the environment, and tolerance in general.
Keep up the good work!
Know why Michigan is in decline? Liberal policies. They don't need a RINO to
tell them what they're already doing.
Perhaps John H. can use his father's money and buy himself an island, preferably
close to mexico, and appoint himself to an important position. Then he can
rule forever in his own kingdom and be satisfied.
Death notices of the Republican party are a bit premature and silly. Clinton
had a full Democratic congress and it collapsed, creating predicitons of the end
of Democrats when Bush was elected. Bush failed because he lost his way - not
because the Democrats were better - indeed the public opinion of the
Democratically controlled Congress remains as low as Bush's final days. So
Democrats should not gloat too much - it is easy to implode when you get too
I supported Huntsman until he come on in support of this policy.. I will not
vote for him again.
I could've sworn Huntsman was a Democrat! If it walks, talks, and acts like a
Dem. for all intents and purposes it IS a Dem.I agree with "the
great cycle" at 8:14 - what goes around, comes around!
I'm glad someone stood up to Huntsman! He's such a joke! He's a liberal
claiming to be conservative... look at his stances on important issues and
you'll see what I mean. Vote Huntsman Out!!
Huntsman is a light weight.
Michigan . . . Michigan . . . Michigan, hmmm. Oh yeah, I've heard of that
place. Real big in the 1930's, wasn't it? Not quite doing so well now, as I
understand it. Perhaps a few words from the governor of a state
with one of the most solid economies in the nation would have been germane,
regardless of his perspective on the Grand 'Ol Party's favorite wedge social
Ever noticed a waffle ....they have lots of weak spots, so do waffler's. Can't
make up their minds about which side they are on, so they try to straddle both
sides of the line. Hard to trust someone who keeps leaning over that line,
claiming to be a supporter of the other side. Someone once said in substance,
it's hard to be truly 'righteous' when you're trying not to offend Satan.
duh we're the repulikin party, we're so out of touch with the rest of the world,
we're becoming isolationist, we're going to be a party of old rich white cranks
who hate everyone and everything, we're not going to be happy until we can pull
this country back into the 20th... no, 19th century. Moderate republicans be
"darned", you'd better be a right-winged nut job or your not welcomed into the
REAL republikin party! You'd better be packing heat if you want to show up at
one of our conventions, you'd better be anti-everything too. Long live our demi
God Regan. Signed, the REAL REPUBLIKIN PARTY
now is the time for the GOP to distinguish itself as the party of morality,
belief in GOD, low taxes, small government and strong military that apologizes
to NO ONE. Let the far left loons run with there little time in the sun because
big ole thunder heads are boiling on the horizon and a storm is approaching. I
can see terror attacks again on American homeland. I can see BIG government
taxing small business into oblivion. I can see unchecked abortion running ramped
across this country. I see reckless out of control pork spending running the
national debt to record highs each year. This is what liberalism does and it is
sad we didn't learn a darn thing with Jimmy Carter.
Prediction: John Huntsman will leave the republic party after his second term
expires and join Arlen Specter, Barney Frank , Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the
far left loons as a democrat. There is no place in the GOP for someone who sells
out on social issues such as gay marriage and abortion so Huntsman will find
himself a man without a country and will leave for where he is more comfortable.
Huntsman campaigned as a conservative here in Utah, but turned "moderate" in
office, joining with Ahnold in his global warming foolishness, pandering to the
gay marriage extremists, etc.The Republican Party will lose again if
we nominate a squishy "moderate" like Huntsman. We need strong CONSERVATIVE
leaders to save this country from the liberals who are destroying it at an
unbelievable pace.Huntsman is part of the problem, not part of the
solution.Good on Michigan for recognizing a RINO and rejecting him.
I don't care about his stand on civil unions, it is a non-issue to me, yet I
think he should have told the voters his thoughts on it before the election in
November.My issue with Huntsman is fiscal. I don't think he has
managed our money well. I didn't like the way he gave Checketts money for the
soccer stadium. I'd rather see Caroon (or whoever the SL Co mayor is) go
somewhere. He doesn't cave to rich people.I also think Huntsman is
a media hound. I'm not sure he has earned anything, possibly was just given
lots of opportunities because he dad is a billionaire.
We as political party are dead. We surely will lose the next elections, and the
next one, and the next one.
What wrong Taliban Utahns? Huntsman shows a little common sense and compassion
(not to mention political savvy) and he is no longer Utah's favorite son?I
as good a Republican I can tell you we will lose the next election. I am
thinking of becoming a Democrat. Alan Specter already left us.
Hunstman and Specter are operating in the same manner. In their feverish
ambition to advance their political carreers or secure their jobs in it are
changing parties or supporting positions totally opposed to what most of the
state of Utah believes in.
Huntsman is right about civil unions, it's an issue of equality. That the
Republican Party opposes it, shows how far they've gone to the extreme right.
The GOP will have to re-evaluate their whole platform to remain a workable
party. The gov should consider a change of parties as Specter has. Huntsman is
the best thing that could have happened to this state and shows his courage in
standing up to the GOP's uncompassionate and damaging stand on the issue.
is the erosion of the social fabric of our nation. More and more people have
become immuned about nuance interpretations of marriage and sexual relationships
that involved the future of procreation and consequently, the world! This
nuance ideas penetrate our society slowly but constantly. I am sorry to learn
that Gov. Hunstman subscribes to any form of recognition to relationships that
go against every rule of nature and are personally revolting to me.
Good for the Kent County Republicans. We, on the other hand, who re-nominated
him (begrudgingly...there was no other viable candidate) and voted for him (same
problem...oh, I guess there WAS Super Dell) are the ones who look silly. But, I
guess this is the hour of political opportunism. Maybe the Guvnah and Arlen
Specter can get together for lunch...now there's a great VP candidate for him!
So where is Mitt Romney's Michigan political machine in all of this? Apart from
the Romney family legacy in Michigan, you can't dump as much money as he did in
the last election cycle without building some type of county influence.Is this just a preemptive strike to take out moderate Huntsman before Mitt
tacks hard right, and announces his perennial candidacy again?
The Michigan GOP rejection of Huntsman explains why Utah is the Reddest of the
Red States,the majority of Utah voters apparently are economic libertarians but
I really regret voting for Huntsman.
I remember well when the Republicans squashed the dems and the Time Mag cover
showed an Elephant squashing a donkey and the the whole Clinton shrinking
president cover. Republicans gloated and Newt was the king. Dems became
Republicans as Specter yesterday and the rolls were reversed from today. The
dems didn't win this latest round by becoming more like the Republicans and the
Republicans won't take control back by becoming more like the dems. Guaranteed,
it will cycle back and if there are any lessons learned, the cycle for the
Republicans when back in power will be extended. Just as Obama is undoing the
work of Republicans, we will undo him and the dems. Hide and watch!
If he thinks he is going to enter national politics, this is a good dose of
reality. The guy is pompous and sanctimonious. I don't like civil
unions in Utah because then it will be only a matter of time until polygamy is
legally samctified which would be rather devastating on numerous levels.
I hope Huntsman doesn't gain the national stage. I'm one Utahn who doesn't like
him. There's just something false . . . As for why the GOP is
failing, it isn't only because it's moving right, it's because the culture is
moving left, and how can politician survive without someone to vote for him?
Huntsman can't deny that giving gay couples more and more of the
rights of heterosexual married couples will indeed undermine marriage. For me,
the biggest issue is children, which gays can't have except by adoption or
artificial means. Huntsman needs to address this if he's going to throw his
support to civil unions. Marriage is made for the rearing and protection of
children and families. Two men or two women can't make a child, and shouldn't
be raising them. They made this choice when they decided not to curb but
instead give in to homosexual urges. How can the inching toward legalizing of
this relationship avoid the support of rearing children in these unions, and
ultimately calling it marriage? That's the issue Huntsman needs to address, but
will assiduously avoid to promote his presidential agenda.
Look, the Republicans tried the whole "big tent" philosophy in 2008 by
nominating a very moderate Republican. Then the election was a disaster. The
U.S. is still a center-right country, despite what is portrayed by the loud
voices on the left and in the media. Repuplicans win elections when they
nominate Reagan conservatives. Huntsman is a joke. He is an embarrassment to
the party and to the state. He's a lightweight who is trying to please
everyone, and he doesn't stand a chance at getting nominated now or
ever....unless he pulls a Specter.
Hmmm... A very counter-intuitive thought... This may be a way out for the GOP.
All the fuss will continue generate attention and elevate Huntsman as a
moderate Republican nationally. If he were to become the leader of the national
party... It could happen. I doubt this is a conscious strategy.
Liberal's are the biggest ideolog's there are and have no room for anyone who
disagrees with them. Harry Reid is a prime example. Remeber he knows someone who
has a gift.
Wow that's just what we need in 2012. Yet ANOTHER CFR member, Socialist
Anyone that actually looks at the recent fall of the GOP will immediately
recognize it is because the GOP has lost its conservative foundation, and has
moved to the left of where it's historically been in modern times. The GOP will
not revive by making itself into "liberal lite", despite the wishes of many
lefties. It will only revive by returning to its conservative roots, and
reflecting the core values which remain fundamentally conservative for the
silent majority of Americans.Liberals, do not mistake conservative
anger at what Bush and the recent GOP Congress did as a "shift to the left."
This anger stemmed from the fact that Bush & the GOP Congress moved too FAR to
the left with their deficit spending, cozying up to destructive liberal social
ideas, and unwillingness to stand up for what is right.
Who would have thought the party of Lincoln and Reagon would implode so quickly.
Keep it up GOP, only the extremist will be left and hopefully a moderate new
party will emerge leaving the Grand Ole Party as irrelevant as their
"anti-everyone who isn't like me" party platform.
One could almost coin the term "ideological cleansing."
Their loss. What a bunch of idiots. Though I'll always support Mr. Huntsman,
I can't say the same for the GOP in general.
Ideological purity. No wonder the GOP is becoming marginalized by its own
actions. So much for the big tent. The GOP really is pathetic.
Couldn't that Michigan group have listened to what he said and asked questions
about it? Are they really that threatened by the idea of listening to someone
who only agrees with them 99%?
Atleast he's going to listen to education reform! He could use some help on
Props to Kent County for standing up and being counted. We need more who will
stand for what is best for our country.
Now is the best time to splinter on issues and push away those in the GOP that
have different views then yourself. Get rid of the RINOs and watch the party
die. No room for difference of opinion in the Grand Ole Party........
I could support Huntsmans stance on civil unions if it also applied to
polygamists - but it doesn't - so I judge him as a silly political opportunist
and an embarrassment, not a leader.