Relief Society sisters urged to unify despite hard circumstances
As someone who came to this great country as a legal immigrant who spent years
waiting, saving and learning English, I totally agree with you. As an LDS
convert, it was my first priority to obey the law even if that made it lot
harder, much more expensive and took much longer to get here (9 years waiting).
Once here, I never had to fear the authorities or worry about my status and yes
I am now a citizen and know that that process is also time-consuming and
expensive but "RIGHT" and lawful.To: LDS and Immigration:So we
should just ignore the current immigration laws because we don't like them. I'm
not into political correctness, come here without proper documentation an you
are here illegally.
I'm particularly awed by LDS members when they speak of "illegals." First of
all- "legal" vs "illegal" are legal terms. In order to be declared one or the
other you must go to court. The correct words to use are "documented" or
"undocumented." As members of the Church your knowledge on immigration is all
MEDIA. Do you think the young couple Joseph, Mary and their infant son Jesus had
papers to flee into Egypt when the angel warned them to go? Oh, I see, that was
different-that was personal revelation-right? What about the thousands of saints
who crossed the plains into the Mexican Territory of Utah in 1846? That was
different too, right, they were fleeing for their lives. Before you cast the
first stone, do some research. Do you know exactly what it takes to file for
LEGAL RESIDENCE in the U.S.A? As of the late 1970's and 1990's things changed
dramatically with waiting times averaging 8 to 12 yrs. for legal residence. Not
many financial, political and war refugees can afford to wait that long. Just as
Joseph and Mary and the Pioneers could not wait.
Being a Latino, and a Canadian, and having lived the States, let me just say I'm
glad there are people who love our presence there and those who dont. Life
would not have been the same if I had not met both types of people. I learned to
take the bitter with the sweet and to value hard work and sacrifice. Please
remember were used to being put down, and at times disliked; just take a look at
how we as a people were conquered by outside rulers. But in contrast, look
hundreds of years later to what we received in return: a better education,
greater access to the world, and understanding of God, and recognition as a
loving and family oriented culture. Heck, I even got to learn four languages.
God be thanked that we had opposition, because just like a kite we were
propelled upwards by opposing winds.
It is that so? Do we suppose to obey the law of just America or the law of any
country?Did you vote for President Bush?Do you support America going
to other countries stepping over their own law?Maybe you can consider if
that as illegal as Hispanic people coming with out legal papers to your
country?Illegal immigrants do not come to your country to make the war, to
destroy, nor to dictate how you should live, instead they work hard and help to
build your country.Are you a native American? Or some where in your
history your ancestors also came to America looking for a new and better life,
looking for having their rights respected?If at those times, it was
required to have a Visa, do you think they would give it up because of that or
they would also come as illegal?I wish you could understand what is
Actually Jerry, the Spanish speaking people WILL ALWAYS have a BIG advantage in
an English speaking country. THEY WILL SPEAK AT LEAST 2 LANGUAGES.
Under the current law, being in this country as an illegal alien is a civil
offense that is the equivalent of violating the speed limit. Who hasn't done
that? Go ahead, throw the first stone. If my kid was bleeding to death you bet I
would be speeding to get him to the hospital. All of the hispanics I know did
just that by coming here, to protect their kids from violence, drugs and poverty
in countries that couldn't provide safety. Besides, now that Obama is in office,
they'll probably all get amnesty anyway... ;)
Why is she crying.
In this context,when Christian talk about faith we mean saving faith,or
salvation,not faith in faith.Christian worship the Triune God not,(Gods)
Jerry, quit your racist and stereotypical rant. My wife is Latino and she has
just as much consideration in employment, health care, and other things in our
country. Anyone who discriminates her because she is Latino or speaks Spanish
is not only losing her additional bilingual skills for their company--they
should be ashamed of themselves for not seeing past the color of her skin or the
words she speaks. She came her 100% legally too. We don't need
people like you implying on a public forum that everyone who is Latino who comes
here is illegal. If you are going to make assumptions, go elsewhere.
women in the church have always been the backbone. I applaud these sisters for
their faithfulness and example.--male church member
Unfortunatly, spanish speakers will always be at a disadvantage in an english
speaking country. Also, if you are illegal, breaking the laws of this country is
not laudable. Honersty in your dealings is always the best practice.
Here are some things in which to have faith:- when you go to sleep at
night, you will wake up in the morning- when you work for two weeks, your
employer will pay, at the end of the two weeks, for your work- when you
post, someone will read what you wrote- when you read scriptures, you will
gain some strength and humililty from them- when a religious person says
that faith is important, take it at its face value
Yes, Murky. Faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ - the one who was resurrected and
showed himself is said body to His friends. The Bible never refers to Him
shedding His body again. It never tells of an additional death nor of another
tomb or burial place. This same Jesus will return again, with His glorified
physical body. It's funny how so many churches invent the story that He is a
personage ONLY of spirit, when the Bible declares no such change in his
phisicality. Such a change would be important enough to be written, yet it is
not. And that's because He did not change again. His resurrection was essential,
meaningful, and eternal. Thanks for making this clear, Murky. We have faith in
the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
I hope the LDS Church is also encouraging all it's Spanish speaking members to
adhere to the Articles of Faith and uphold the law. That means that illegal
aliens, those who violated our laws, who are members of the LDS Church should
return to their country of origin, Spanish speaking or any other language and
return legally, thus upholding the law and being true to the Faith.
Faith in what? The Church, Joseph Smith? Faith is only as good as the object
you place it in. If it is the Jesus of the Bible(God incarnate) right on.
It is great to have two members of the General R.S. who speak Spanish. I'm glad
Sister Beck commented on the challenges of unity among Spanish-speaking people.
Anglos mistakenly believe that all Spanish speaking people share the same
culture. Not so. The culture of the Church can make a difference. It IS the time for Spanish-speaking peoples!